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Niclas Miula The Scope Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2015.04.06 14:12:07 - [1] - Quote It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once. But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So w choosed to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels. We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE. We filled the crowd. We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^) We transported them, fitted them. We filled the fleet. We gave out the ships. We warped to the spot and then the magic happens. With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot" I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long. We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard. So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP, we definetly want the ships back, there is nothing more important as these stupid ships... A month of work for nothing. Here are funny Videos of our glory: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY[/url] [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA[/url]
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 403	Posted - 2015.04.06 14:17:54 - [2] - Quote I'll be surprised if not only do you not get your ships back, but some of you don't get temp bans for "deliberately inducing server lag". It's a pretty well known fact that smartbombing large-ish groups of ships in high sec will produce mind numbing levels of lag as the server tries to spawn concord for every ship you hit - and everyone else in your fleet is doing the same thing. You did it to yourself, and have no one but yourself to blame. That said, good on you for creating content. Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10635	Posted - 2015.04.06 14:20:52 - [3] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once. But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So w choosed to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels. We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE. We filled the crowd. We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^) We transported them, fitted them. We filled the fleet. We gave out the ships. We warped to the spot and then the magic happened. With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot" I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long. We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard. So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP. A month of work for nothing. Here are funny Videos of our glory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA LOL i was flying a machariel with TVP that day. I was like 4th on the watch list and listening to TVP comms when the FC said "we are going to fleet with DIN and kill the MOM. I was all like "crap, I've been on the wait list for 20 minutes waiting to get in and it's time to move already". I was getting tired of running missions on my other screen already (what i do while waiting, that or null anoms). I didn't even get an invite to the MOM fleet, i was getting ticked. Then i heard it all go down on comms, and a few minutes later saw the killmails and battle report linked in TVP chat. Knowing my luck i would have died to you guys lol. I guess everything happens for a reason PS: like low sec (which starts to TiDi when we push 40 people through a gate), you have to know that high sec systems suck for things like this.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 219	Posted - 2015.04.06 14:26:00 - [4] - Quote Would a reinforcement notification have helped the situation? I'm my own NPC alt.
Mr Popovic Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 1	Posted - 2015.04.06 14:26:20 - [5] - Quote PS: like low sec (which starts to TiDi when we push 40 people through a gate), you have to know that high sec systems suck for things like this.[/quote] Well the thing is, when you SB in LS. You still kill stuff, the tidi is just massive. We had great fights in which we had bombing squads and even in 0.0 are bombing fleets around. So I have no idea whats going on with that higsec. It also looked like Concord was not affected by the tidi... which is bad i guess?!?
Niclas Miula The Scope Gallente Federation 18	Posted - 2015.04.06 14:27:58 - [6] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Would a reinforcement notification have helped the situation? No, we were just 45 smartbombing guys. That is not enough for a reinforcement notification. Even if we count the target fleet we were not even 100 Ships. And the TiDi were at 25 % and not 10 %. So This was not the problem. Even so CONCORD was not affected by the TiDi.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 477	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:23:53 - [7] - Quote It took you a month to prepare for this? How so? This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation4 38	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:25:41 - [8] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Would a reinforcement notification have helped the situation? No, we were just 45 smartbombing guys. That is not enough for a reinforcement notification. Even if we count the target fleet we were not even 100 Ships. And the TiDi were at 25 % and not 10 %. So This was not the problem. Even so CONCORD was not affected by the TiDi. we were 59... you need to count the squad in the mom fleet too
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44920	Posted - 2015.04.06 15:52:15 - [9] - Quote so... damn you CCP and technical limitations ?
Nala Sarain Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:08:01 - [10] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once. But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So we had chosen to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels. We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE. We filled the crowd. We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^) We transported them, fitted them. We filled the fleet. We gave out the ships. We warped to the spot and then the magic happened. With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot" I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long. We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard. So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP. A month of work for nothing. Here are funny Videos of our glory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA Battlereport: Bow for our Glory actually at the 1:50 to 2:00 mark you can see that your smartbombs did activate. look at the second smartbomb. Yes it didn't show you all activated because the server or even just the client was lagging behind with giving you the feedback for successful module activation. For the second module it arrives at 1:50 to 2:00. Furthermore you got jammed before it showed you any active smartbombs. This is also proof that in fact your smartbombs did activate and deal damage but just didnt show up as active. Aside from the very obvious hit notifications that you had on your screen. So no CCP isn't to blame here (except for not showing you your active smartbombs). Your smartbombs activated, they did damage it just didn't show the modules as active but that's hardly a problem there. It's just that your plan failed because it sucked.
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 44926	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:23:05 - [11] - Quote If everyone would just grab a catalyst they'd be dead
Mr Popovic Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel 1	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:28:27 - [12] - Quote Nala Sarain wrote: Niclas Miula wrote: It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once. But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So we had chosen to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels. We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE. We filled the crowd. We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^) We transported them, fitted them. We filled the fleet. We gave out the ships. We warped to the spot and then the magic happened. With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot" I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long. We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard. So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP. A month of work for nothing. Here are funny Videos of our glory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA Battlereport: Bow for our Glory actually at the 1:50 to 2:00 mark you can see that your smartbombs did activate. look at the second smartbomb. Yes it didn't show you all activated because the server or even just the client was lagging behind with giving you the feedback for successful module activation. For the second module it arrives at 1:50 to 2:00. Furthermore you got jammed before it showed you any active smartbombs. This is also proof that in fact your smartbombs did activate and deal damage but just didnt show up as active. Aside from the very obvious hit notifications that you had on your screen. So no CCP isn't to blame here (except for not showing you your active smartbombs). Your smartbombs activated, they did damage it just didn't show the modules as active but that's hardly a problem there. It's just that your plan failed because it sucked. watch the killmails, there was only one active or at least not all
Clenz Pod Goo Extraction Agency 7	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:41:15 - [13] - Quote Yeah you can see the damage the SB's were doing on the screens, looked like more than one or two in the beginning. The mods may not have shown that they were activated, but it looked like most of them were going off. What probably did you in was the fact that you both kept trying to activate the SBs. Turning them on and off. Did you figure out your cycle times and look at the combat logs at all?
Sniper Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2015.04.06 16:45:02 - [14] - Quote It's a known fact that TiDi + Crimewatch (and every other process that runs in Highsec but not in other areas of space) don't always play well together. Anyone remember the first Burn Jita? That first night, where TiDi did it's thing, but Concord wasn't setup to account for it, so you'd kill a flashy red, then die yourself cause it was no longer Red to Concord.. I doubt what happened was any designed mechanic, just a Glitch in the matrix that is hard to find due to the fact that very little "large scale" happens in highsec with TiDi and Crimewatch.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 496	Posted - 2015.04.06 17:01:02 - [15] - Quote Correction: It's not a "highsec"-mechanic ... ... but an "aggression"-mechanic. It's there in null as well. Docking timers due to aggression, for example. There's just way more for it to do in high, than anywhere else. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 782	Posted - 2015.04.06 17:24:59 - [16] - Quote Sniper Smith wrote: It's a known fact that TiDi + Crimewatch (and every other process that runs in Highsec but not in other areas of space) don't always play well together. Anyone remember the first Burn Jita? That first night, where TiDi did it's thing, but Concord wasn't setup to account for it, so you'd kill a flashy red, then die yourself cause it was no longer Red to Concord.. I doubt what happened was any designed mechanic, just a Glitch in the matrix that is hard to find due to the fact that very little "large scale" happens in highsec with TiDi and Crimewatch. Yeah, I remember being that flashy red, and being unable to undock even well after my criminal timer ran out because the station guns would shoot me.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 221	Posted - 2015.04.06 17:45:27 - [17] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Would a reinforcement notification have helped the situation? No, we were just 45 smartbombing guys. That is not enough for a reinforcement notification. Even if we count the target fleet we were not even 100 Ships. And the TiDi were at 25 % and not 10 %. So This was not the problem. Even so CONCORD was not affected by the TiDi. I remember a similar situation during the Revenant event, there was no immediate feedback on weapons activation. It got visible minutes later ... so you likely switched on and off the bombs before a command was executed. With Concord not being affected by TiDi ... a statement from CCP would be interesting, maybe this can be fixed with the brain in the box project ... I'm my own NPC alt.
Sykaotic Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2015.04.06 18:21:51 - [18] - Quote What will make you laugh will make your cry. Just curious. On a side note: are you a miner? Could have sworn I saw you mining the other day, but maybe it was a similar name. Well atleast you have done a test run for codes planned attacks on Incursion runners. +1 for beating them to it. GL
Jenshae Chiroptera 1224	Posted - 2015.04.06 18:36:32 - [19] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: Here are funny Videos of our glory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY Like dis if Goons fail makes u cray wit joy!! CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow. Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Seven Koskanaiken Positive Failure Black Legion. 1468	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:23:22 - [20] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP. A month of work for nothing. Hmm, remember when billions worth of dreads were lost to lag in the largest war ever seen on TQ, and people came to GD complaining about tidi....now what was the general response...if only I could remember...
Kinis Deren StarHunt Mordus Angels 459	Posted - 2015.04.06 21:53:34 - [21] - Quote Oh, I wouldn't call it a month of work wasted OP ..... your tears are worth their weight in gold.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1018	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:17:07 - [22] - Quote I always thought it would be funny to disco an incursion fleet, sad to hear it doesn't really work though @ChainsawPlankto
Daerrol Furtherance. 90	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:36:36 - [23] - Quote Ganker tears xD
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie The Scope Gallente Federation 1607	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:40:52 - [24] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I always thought it would be funny to disco an incursion fleet, sad to hear it doesn't really work though I was with a group that tried to hit a 100 pilot multiboxed nightmare fleets last year. The lag was so bad that my first bomb didn't activate until some of my allies were dead. I ended up getting 8 of their pods. The nightmares just microjumpdrived to safety. New Player Placement Specialist and Scope Project FC. Contact me for a free consultation. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2015.04.06 23:44:48 - [25] - Quote So you lost (at least) 26 identically fit pirate battleships, in highsec? Don't feel bad, OP. You blew up an incursion fleet.
Sniper Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:07:38 - [26] - Quote Kinis Deren wrote: Oh, I wouldn't call it a month of work wasted OP ..... your tears are worth their weight in gold. QFT. And as was said, Losses in TiDi are nothing new, lots of them happened in big Null fights.
Desimus Maximus Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 200	Posted - 2015.04.07 00:35:03 - [27] - Quote "producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn" Producers? No. Here is where you see the end result of gank-dbag-proliferation. Doing what you were doing is exactly what led to your difficulties rounding up your ships... this and miner ganking, freighter ganking, pretty much any indy ganking. Imagine flying in fully subbed T3s for 100m ISK. Nope, gotta gank the indys. Keep it up though, maybe next time you'll be forced to use T1 BS...
Johan Civire Cry Thunder. DeepSpace. 949	Posted - 2015.04.07 01:04:16 - [28] - Quote boehoe o wait its a ganker that QQ holy sh*t....
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 179	Posted - 2015.04.07 03:38:07 - [29] - Quote That certainly was anti-climating. /scribbles something onto a piece of napkin with his own blood, grinning wildly all the while ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Sacu Shi The Ammatar Auxillaries of Tidacha 52	Posted - 2015.04.07 04:34:55 - [30] - Quote Best thing about this OP was the music in the first video :)
Mina Sebiestar Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate 859	Posted - 2015.04.07 06:11:12 - [31] - Quote Sacu Shi wrote: Best thing about this OP was the music in the first video :) The Gonk! Laughed til tears.
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2249	Posted - 2015.04.07 06:44:07 - [32] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: Sniper Smith wrote: It's a known fact that TiDi + Crimewatch (and every other process that runs in Highsec but not in other areas of space) don't always play well together. Anyone remember the first Burn Jita? That first night, where TiDi did it's thing, but Concord wasn't setup to account for it, so you'd kill a flashy red, then die yourself cause it was no longer Red to Concord.. I doubt what happened was any designed mechanic, just a Glitch in the matrix that is hard to find due to the fact that very little "large scale" happens in highsec with TiDi and Crimewatch. Yeah, I remember being that flashy red, and being unable to undock even well after my criminal timer ran out because the station guns would shoot me. That's been a glitch for quite a while before crimewatch or TiDi
Asura Vajrarupa Mud-N-Sparklez 47	Posted - 2015.04.07 08:45:12 - [33] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: The server lags were too hard. Niclas Miula wrote: That is not enough for a reinforcement notification. Are you sure mister "I'm sore at CCP for server related ruination of my carefully planned lulz OP"? Are you absolutely sure? Because the first statement, made by you, makes the second one seem kinda not smart. Demonstrably, yes, you should have made a reinforcement notification. Now if you had done that, and CCP said "derp, < 300 players expected, no", then you might have cause for complaint when things didn't work out. But these two statements together say, "I made a mistake, and now I ardently and willfully refuse to learn from it." Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1583	Posted - 2015.04.07 08:56:42 - [34] - Quote Once Eve Online was known as "Massive Multiplayer" game.... Now it does not support 50(?) battleships on the field? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 2034	Posted - 2015.04.07 10:12:04 - [35] - Quote Elenahina wrote: I'll be surprised if not only do you not get your ships back, but some of you don't get temp bans for "deliberately inducing server lag". It's a pretty well known fact that smartbombing large-ish groups of ships in high sec will produce mind numbing levels of lag as the server tries to spawn concord for every ship you hit - and everyone else in your fleet is doing the same thing. You did it to yourself, and have no one but yourself to blame. That said, good on you for creating content. Causing lag as a SIDE effect of justified gameplay (aka violence) is NOT somethign will ban you for. It is not like dropping shuttles around a station for nothing but causing lag. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 2034	Posted - 2015.04.07 10:12:58 - [36] - Quote beakerax wrote: So you lost (at least) 26 identically fit pirate battleships, in highsec? Don't feel bad, OP. You blew up an incursion fleet. Technically... that is correct... "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 224	Posted - 2015.04.07 10:23:08 - [37] - Quote Asura Vajrarupa wrote: Niclas Miula wrote: The server lags were too hard. Niclas Miula wrote: That is not enough for a reinforcement notification. Are you sure mister "I'm sore at CCP for server related ruination of my carefully planned lulz OP"? Are you absolutely sure? Because the first statement, made by you, makes the second one seem kinda not smart. Demonstrably, yes, you should have made a reinforcement notification. Now if you had done that, and CCP said "derp, < 300 players expected, no", then you might have cause for complaint when things didn't work out. But these two statements together say, "I made a mistake, and now I ardently and willfully refuse to learn from it." At least I would have tried this to be sure ... highsec generates much more load than nullsec due to crimewatch. But I think the main problem was, that Concord is apparently not affected by TiDi (has computing priority). I'm my own NPC alt.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2009	Posted - 2015.04.07 11:02:03 - [38] - Quote Uh, Concord should have priority. Otherwise you could deliberately exploit that to induce lag and be able to gank far far more than you should be able to before concord responds. Lets get serious here and not make exploiting Concord that easy.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 611	Posted - 2015.04.07 11:05:48 - [39] - Quote beakerax wrote: So you lost (at least) 26 identically fit pirate battleships, in highsec? Don't feel bad, OP. You blew up an incursion fleet. LOL! :D This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 1618	Posted - 2015.04.07 11:12:19 - [40] - Quote Quote: =Nevyn You also went after buffer fitted omni tanked battleships with your attack, who can overheat hardeners and are well trained at doing so when in dangerous situations, incursion fleets are not 'afk' miners (who are a mythical beast anyway for the most part) in 10k EHP ships. Easy prey, no?
Yun Kuai Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 243	Posted - 2015.04.07 11:23:36 - [41] - Quote I actually hope you guys get your ships back on this one. The plan was good, but the technical limitations of the game screwed you on this one. Pipe bombing 100+ men fleet in nullsec is easily done with very limited lag. The same should apply in highsec, even regarding Concord spawning and crimewatch, etc. The fact that it does not is a failure on CCPs part. I'm usually one to laugh at the pathetic nature of gankers like code, but this takes a lot more effort than using cheap fit catalyst; i.e. read you did it in style with Machs. +1 in my book. Give them back their ships and let round 2 happen! --------------------------------------------------------::::::::::::--:::-----:::---::::::::::::--------------:::----------:::----:::---:::----------------------:::::::-------:::---:::----::::::-------------------:::-----------:::--:::----:::---------------------::::::::::::----:::::::----:::::::::::::-------
Bagatur I School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 60	Posted - 2015.04.07 12:37:10 - [42] - Quote the OP had a stupid idea in the first place, and somehow it is CCP' fault
Jenshae Chiroptera 1230	Posted - 2015.04.07 12:43:59 - [43] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: beakerax wrote: So you lost (at least) 26 identically fit pirate battleships, in highsec? Don't feel bad, OP. You blew up an incursion fleet. Technically... that is correct... o.O Funny bone transplant needed! Quick! Do we have a donor?! CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids. . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow. Fozzie is treating a symptom.
2Sonas1Cup 61	Posted - 2015.04.07 13:26:46 - [44] - Quote Wants to gank 70+ resistances 100k+ ehp battleships protected by logistic ships, with smartbombs.. In highsec.. Comes to forums crying about CCP servers after fail. Ummm ok
2Sonas1Cup 61	Posted - 2015.04.07 13:27:42 - [45] - Quote ...
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 45043	Posted - 2015.04.07 13:54:36 - [46] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Just to put it in perspective OP 1 smartbomb does roughly 300 damage Whichever type of damage you pick you will only be able to inflict maximum 30%of it due to incursions battleships resistances of 70% or more, so you do 90 damage each bomb Considering 1 incursion battleship has 100k+ ehps , you will need 1,100 bomb cycles. Considering you can only cycle once or twice depending on the system security before concord pops you, you will need about 63.5 battleships on a 0.5 concord primed system to be successful,.. If you don't count on Murphy's law. yeah, lets count the resistances twice, why don't we.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1668	Posted - 2015.04.07 17:14:51 - [47] - Quote Yun Kuai wrote: I actually hope you guys get your ships back on this one. The plan was good, but the technical limitations of the game screwed you on this one. Pipe bombing 100+ men fleet in nullsec is easily done with very limited lag. The same should apply in highsec, even regarding Concord spawning and crimewatch, etc. The fact that it does not is a failure on CCPs part. I'm usually one to laugh at the pathetic nature of gankers like code, but this takes a lot more effort than using cheap fit catalyst; i.e. read you did it in style with Machs. +1 in my book. Give them back their ships and let round 2 happen! Tell me more about how much server load spawning concord takes to confirm it's a failure on CCP's part that the node went to **** and not just the code running correctly but the server having too many systems on a single node to do all that.
Ravasta Helugo Republic University Minmatar Republic 333	Posted - 2015.04.07 21:20:28 - [48] - Quote What's that? You tried to kill a bunch of buffer fit ships in high sec using smartbombs? And you didn't have enough time before CONCORD donk'd your 14 billion isk fleet? That makes me so very, very sad. I'm *sure* this was a case of critical server failure, and *not* a failure to think your plan through properly.
PopplerRo 21	Posted - 2015.04.07 21:32:55 - [49] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Niclas Miula wrote: ... LOL i was flying a machariel with TVP that day. I was like 4th on the watch list docked next door to Murzi and listening to TVP comms when the FC said "we are going to fleet with DIN and kill the MOM. I was all like "crap, I've been on the wait list for 20 minutes waiting to get in and it's time to move already". I was getting tired of running missions on my other screen already (what i do while waiting, that or null anoms). I didn't even get an invite to the MOM fleet, i was getting ticked. Then i heard it all go down on comms, and a few minutes later saw the killmails and battle report linked in TVP chat. Knowing my luck i would have died to you guys lol. I guess everything happens for a reason PS: like low sec (which starts to TiDi when we push 40 people through a gate), you have to know that high sec systems suck for things like this. Lies and slander, TVP would never and has never killed an incursion no matter what anyone says, nor have they carried out some shady business using peoples i.p. addresses. Nope never happened
Mario Putzo 1167	Posted - 2015.04.07 21:59:35 - [50] - Quote Posting in a stealth nerf Concord thread.
Niclas Miula The Scope Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2015.04.09 09:04:00 - [51] - Quote Some of you figured it allready out. You need a bunch of smartbombs for this action. Of course we scanned the ships in the first place and made out the lowest resistance. We fitted on that and took of the Fleet Boost. After this we had enough Smartbombs to kill them on an instant (508 Smartbombs = 400 Bombs 300 = 120.000 Alpha). Even a Bufferfitted ship with Boost not have over 200.000 in Incursions as every ganker amoung us knows ^^ So with two cycles everything would be done. We got out 3 cycles in time that means a Damage 360 k Ehp IF the smartbomb worked. This is overpowered but we got just too many guys for this op. So why not a few ships more would not hurt. Just to make your evaluations right.
Infrequent Vanilla. 81	Posted - 2015.04.09 10:14:11 - [52] - Quote A month of work for nothing, because you didn't think things through properly.
Brutus Utama Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx 13	Posted - 2015.04.09 11:05:17 - [53] - Quote I Love how everyone moans and calls people Carebears... but without them you wouldnt have any ships to fly as no minerals would be mined..
Mashie Saldana Gallente Rebels Inc. Villore Accords 1565	Posted - 2015.04.09 12:33:19 - [54] - Quote Bagatur I wrote: the OP had a stupid idea in the first place, and somehow it is CCP' fault -¿ I think the idea was actually pretty solid. They tried to pipebomb an incursion fleet, that's pretty awesome. How to win EVE
Mashie Saldana Gallente Rebels Inc. Villore Accords 1565	Posted - 2015.04.09 12:35:47 - [55] - Quote Elenahina wrote: I'll be surprised if not only do you not get your ships back, but some of you don't get temp bans for "deliberately inducing server lag". It's a pretty well known fact that smartbombing large-ish groups of ships in high sec will produce mind numbing levels of lag as the server tries to spawn concord for every ship you hit - and everyone else in your fleet is doing the same thing. You did it to yourself, and have no one but yourself to blame. That said, good on you for creating content. So it's their fault CCP's got crap servers? :) How to win EVE
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation4 38	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:19:27 - [56] - Quote omg... some people should either go back to school or play the game a bit. We had (counting the few non machs in) 59 ships. Roughly 465 Smartbombs, some ships were Nightmare so a few less. Let's count with 58 ships but 8 Smartbombs per ship to make it easier. 8 Smartbombs have an Alpha of ~2400 damage. 58 Ships * 2400 Damage = 139200 Damage We tested the signature thingy, you get the same damage with MWD and without, so sig radius obviously doesn't matter for a ship class. If your Incursion fitted Ship gets 139200 incoming damage, please consider that the guy who took them into warp was their fleetbooster. Wait. What? Command links don't run if the ship is in warp. Breaking news. Let me tell you about the testserver: In a 0.7 system you can easily get 3 cycles of smartbombs off before Concord kills you (cap boosters for the neut works fine). We were in a 0.6 for the actual thing. A warpscrambler instantly deactivates your microwarpdrive. All ships had a web + 1-2 tackles. So there are some people here telling me their ship would survive 3*139.200=417.600 Damage without a boost in a regular Incursion fit. Remember, we talk about pure damage so we have to take the ships EHP which are usually around 100-120k. After 4 years flying Incursions, especially HQ's, do you think I never saw a fit of those ships? That we do this for the fun of it and check if we really just did exactly 40% of shield damage on each ship after? If CCP says the fleet fight notification should be used for 300+ people, and we expected 40 people to come, then I expect the server to handle at least our first cycle. Also concord was obviously not influenced by the server or loaded primarily. Check the videos, we had no chance, while concord was spawning fine. Nice how many people actually think that we can't expect the servers to work properly for a 60 vs 40 fight which happens all day in null.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1252	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:35:23 - [57] - Quote Alpha != damage per second. Raw damage or after resists? This is still my second favourite Goons involved fail, no matter what is said, that video is hilarious. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1076	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:36:40 - [58] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alpha != damage per second. Raw damage or after resists? This is still my second favourite Goons involved fail, no matter what is said, that video is hilarious. I always shake my head when people come up with dps ... ... when it's about artillery and alpha. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Jenshae Chiroptera 1252	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:40:37 - [59] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alpha != damage per second. Raw damage or after resists? This is still my second favourite Goons involved fail, no matter what is said, that video is hilarious. I always shake my head when people come up with dps ... ... when it's about artillery and alpha. Kaphrah wrote: ... Let me tell you about the testserver: In a 0.7 system you can easily get 3 cycles of smartbombs off before Concord kills you ... Yes, I can see now how DPS has nothing to do with it Eve Solecist, you have opened my eyes. Thank you so much! CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1076	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:42:29 - [60] - Quote Mashie Saldana wrote: Elenahina wrote: I'll be surprised if not only do you not get your ships back, but some of you don't get temp bans for "deliberately inducing server lag". It's a pretty well known fact that smartbombing large-ish groups of ships in high sec will produce mind numbing levels of lag as the server tries to spawn concord for every ship you hit - and everyone else in your fleet is doing the same thing. You did it to yourself, and have no one but yourself to blame. That said, good on you for creating content. So it's their fault CCP's got crap servers? :) Weren't the last people who got tempbans for disco the Zombies who tanked CONCORD and disco'd everyone coming to Yulai? And they only got tempbanned for causing a major disruption. Let's not even start talking about m0o ... ... but they didn't get banned at least and now have their own system named after them ... ... and items named after some of the members. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1078	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:44:11 - [61] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alpha != damage per second. Raw damage or after resists? This is still my second favourite Goons involved fail, no matter what is said, that video is hilarious. I always shake my head when people come up with dps ... ... when it's about artillery and alpha. Kaphrah wrote: ... Let me tell you about the testserver: In a 0.7 system you can easily get 3 cycles of smartbombs off before Concord kills you ... Yes, I can see now how DPS has nothing to do with it Eve Solecist, you have opened my eyes. Thank you so much! It's a clear sign people are "too deep into it", when they start reading things that weren't said or even implied. It was a side note, supporting your post. Calm down, miner! This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Jenshae Chiroptera 1252	Posted - 2015.04.09 14:03:48 - [62] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: It was a side note, supporting your post. Less posts & more clarity, please. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation4 38	Posted - 2015.04.09 14:12:46 - [63] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alpha != damage per second. Raw damage or after resists? This is still my second favourite Goons involved fail, no matter what is said, that video is hilarious. I always shake my head when people come up with dps ... ... when it's about artillery and alpha. Kaphrah wrote: ... Let me tell you about the testserver: In a 0.7 system you can easily get 3 cycles of smartbombs off before Concord kills you ... Yes, I can see now how DPS has nothing to do with it Eve Solecist, you have opened my eyes. Thank you so much! DPS does not matter. At some point those weapons are fired, and instantly inflict 140k damage. Then the cycle runs. And they inflict 140k damage again. Considering your ship is webbed and scrammed I wish you good luck to get out of range. And raw damage and resists does not matter here. 140k is raw damage. 100k EHP is the amount of raw damage needed to kill the ship instantly, so we are already comparing the same things if we have raw DMG and EHP.
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 417	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:09:42 - [64] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Yes, I can see now how DPS has nothing to do with it Eve Solecist, you have opened my eyes. Thank you so much! DPS only matters if your target survives the initial Alpha. Looking at the theoretical numbers - I concur with the OP, the targets should have died. The problem so much of the time, as in this case, is that theory does not always translate well into practice. Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6545	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:26:58 - [65] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: It started with an idea. We wanted to do something memorable in EVE. So we came up with the idea to gank a whole Incursionfleet at once. But just a gank wouldn't be enough it had to be something with THE style. So we had chosen to gank in Faction Battleships just for the lulz. We picked mostly Machariels. We made the plan. Even enemies came together to fly with us. On this point special thanks to all the guys from different Corps and Allies all over EVE. We filled the crowd. We bought the ships and the Smartbombs (producers are lame today, we had problems to get them all in one turn ^^) We transported them, fitted them. We filled the fleet. We gave out the ships. We warped to the spot and then the magic happened. With special top secret super moves we finally could collect the enemyfleet at 0 to us. And then the Command came "Smartbombs hot" I pressed F1 to F8 and started to smile, but not for long. We could not activate the Smartbombs just one or two. The serverlags were too hard. So even if we get the ships back I allready says thx to CCP. A month of work for nothing. Here are funny Videos of our glory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r9htVXUQY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAapGA0ShA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uj9mAujBJs Battlereport: Bow for our Glory Newsreport: The Mittani How come your weapons were not grouped? Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Paranoid Loyd 4608	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:29:54 - [66] - Quote Herzog, I hope you are joking. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6545	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:33:59 - [67] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Herzog, I hope you are joking. I'm not an aspergian min-maxer, meaning I never used a disco BS. I never set out to "do everything" in the game and have never used a smart bomb. So I am serious. If there is some denigration to be afforded for not knowing, then excuse me for not going to out use every last detail in the game out of some obsession. Forgive me for being sane and having a life. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Paranoid Loyd 4610	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:37:54 - [68] - Quote I've never used smart bombs either but I still know they can't be grouped. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1544	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:39:13 - [69] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Forgive me for being sane and having a life. Having a life I can forgive, but sanity I can't let slide by lightly. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Jenshae Chiroptera 1256	Posted - 2015.04.09 18:20:51 - [70] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: And raw damage and resists does not matter here. 140k is raw damage. 100k EHP is the amount of raw damage needed to kill the ship instantly, so we are already comparing the same things if we have raw DMG and EHP. Range, their own logi, overheating, shield regen, lack of perfect skills in the attackers, there are many factors to shake off that 40K. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1677	Posted - 2015.04.09 18:45:37 - [71] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: omg... some people should either go back to school or play the game a bit. We had (counting the few non machs in) 59 ships. Roughly 465 Smartbombs, some ships were Nightmare so a few less. Let's count with 58 ships but 8 Smartbombs per ship to make it easier. 8 Smartbombs have an Alpha of ~2400 damage. 58 Ships * 2400 Damage = 139200 Damage We tested the signature thingy, you get the same damage with MWD and without, so sig radius obviously doesn't matter for a ship class. If your Incursion fitted Ship gets 139200 incoming damage, please consider that the guy who took them into warp was their fleetbooster. Wait. What? Command links don't run if the ship is in warp. Breaking news. Let me tell you about the testserver: In a 0.7 system you can easily get 3 cycles of smartbombs off before Concord kills you (cap boosters for the neut works fine). We were in a 0.6 for the actual thing. A warpscrambler instantly deactivates your microwarpdrive. All ships had a web + 1-2 tackles. So there are some people here telling me their ship would survive 3139.200=417.600 Damage without a boost in a regular Incursion fit. Remember, we talk about pure damage so we have to take the ships EHP which are usually around 100-120k. After 4 years flying Incursions, especially HQ's, do you think I never saw a fit of those ships? That we do this for the fun of it and check if we really just did exactly 40% of shield damage on each ship after? If CCP says the fleet fight notification should be used for 300+ people, and we expected 40 people to come, then I expect the server to handle at least our first cycle. Also concord was obviously not influenced by the server or loaded primarily. Check the videos, we had no chance, while concord was spawning fine. Nice how many people actually think that we can't expect the servers to work properly for a 60 vs 40 fight which happens all day in null. The first smartbomb everyone of those 59 battleship used generated 40+ crimanal flag + related concord spawn. Congratulation, you managed to generate 2360+ criminal flags and CONCORD spawn on the frist volley and then wonder why the server went to *** and you had trouble getting more cycles off or activating modules (the other smartbombs)?
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1677	Posted - 2015.04.09 18:48:04 - [72] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: And raw damage and resists does not matter here. 140k is raw damage. 100k EHP is the amount of raw damage needed to kill the ship instantly, so we are already comparing the same things if we have raw DMG and EHP. Range, their own logi, overheating, shield regen, lack of perfect skills in the attackers, there are many factors to shake off that 40K. Does not apply if the module were to actually work because the whole 140k would be dealth within the same tick. You can't OH withing a single tick nor can you rep someone (you could get lucky and get a rep cycle that landed on the same tick to register between some of the smartbombs but that's quite a bad probability). You also get no regen and can't move.
Sniper Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 344	Posted - 2015.04.09 19:00:40 - [73] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Kaphrah wrote: ... The first smartbomb everyone of those 59 battleship used generated 40+ crimanal flag + related concord spawn. Congratulation, you managed to generate 2360+ criminal flags and CONCORD spawn on the frist volley and then wonder why the server went to **** and you had trouble getting more cycles off or activating modules (the other smartbombs)? Additionally the 300people for a "Fleet Fight Notification" is based around Nullsec, where there is virtually no overhead. Highsec is a whole different best, it has loads of overhead on the server.. Crimewatch being the biggest, but also faction police, customs, the actual overhead for the Incursions themselves, etc. Ontop of that, an Incursion takes place on a single node, so when counting pilots, you need to count EVERYONE in the Incursion Constellation, which would be WELL in excess of 300. Sisi, outside of mass testing, has fewer people on the whole server than an a single incursion has most of the time.. so the tests there were meaningless for showing load.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1677	Posted - 2015.04.09 19:12:13 - [74] - Quote There was also something like 58 smartbomb dealing damage to close to 100 ships each since it damaged ship in the bombing fleet too. 58 bombs on the first module activation per attacking ships * (own fleet + enemy fleet) = total damage event 58 * (58 + 40) = 5684 damage event. All those + the CONCORD spawn + the criminal flag call had to happen withing a single tick + potentially 5684 more damage event because you were able to cycle 2 SB instead of only 1. The idea itse;f was a fun thing to try but the math side of it escalated quickly...
2Sonas1Cup 65	Posted - 2015.04.09 19:53:57 - [75] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alpha != damage per second. Raw damage or after resists? This is still my second favourite Goons involved fail, no matter what is said, that video is hilarious. No matter what you say, most people will never grasp the concept of alpha damage in ganks because theyre stuck with DPS concept.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1258	Posted - 2015.04.09 19:57:32 - [76] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Does not apply if the module were to actually work because the whole 140k would be dealth within the same tick. You can't OH withing a single tick nor can you rep someone (you could get lucky and get a rep cycle that landed on the same tick to register between some of the smartbombs but that's quite a bad probability). You also get no regen and can't move. ... because people activate everything perfectly when so many are mouse happy? You aren't capable of over heating when you see enemies landing on you? It is High Sec after all. Not like they are going to have an hour long fight with you while Concord is blowing them away. 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alpha != damage per second. Raw damage or after resists? This is still my second favourite Goons involved fail, no matter what is said, that video is hilarious. No matter what you say, most people will never grasp the concept of alpha damage in ganks because theyre stuck with DPS concept. I have blopped into the middle of a fleet fight. I think I know what alpha damage is. The post was not clear if he was just giving his raw calculations or had accounted for resists. It also talks about multiple cycles. Going to watch the video for another laugh now. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1679	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:37:46 - [77] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Does not apply if the module were to actually work because the whole 140k would be dealth within the same tick. You can't OH withing a single tick nor can you rep someone (you could get lucky and get a rep cycle that landed on the same tick to register between some of the smartbombs but that's quite a bad probability). You also get no regen and can't move. ... because people activate everything perfectly when so many are mouse happy? You aren't capable of over heating when you see enemies landing on you? You can get the OH off if you are lucky and really on the ball and a good chunk of your EHP on some ship can't be over-heated. A vindi for example get quite some EHP out of the hull with a DCU II. Beside that, the regen will amount to nearly nothing.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 853	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:24:30 - [78] - Quote Elenahina wrote: I'll be surprised if not only do you not get your ships back, but some of you don't get temp bans for "deliberately inducing server lag". It's a pretty well known fact that smartbombing large-ish groups of ships in high sec will produce mind numbing levels of lag as the server tries to spawn concord for every ship you hit - and everyone else in your fleet is doing the same thing. This is what time dilation was made to prevent.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 853	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:27:16 - [79] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Does not apply if the module were to actually work because the whole 140k would be dealth within the same tick. You can't OH withing a single tick nor can you rep someone (you could get lucky and get a rep cycle that landed on the same tick to register between some of the smartbombs but that's quite a bad probability). You also get no regen and can't move. ... because people activate everything perfectly when so many are mouse happy? You aren't capable of over heating when you see enemies landing on you? It is High Sec after all. Not like they are going to have an hour long fight with you while Concord is blowing them away. 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Alpha != damage per second. Raw damage or after resists? This is still my second favourite Goons involved fail, no matter what is said, that video is hilarious. No matter what you say, most people will never grasp the concept of alpha damage in ganks because theyre stuck with DPS concept. I have blopped into the middle of a fleet fight. I think I know what alpha damage is. The post was not clear if he was just giving his raw calculations or had accounted for resists. It also talks about multiple cycles. Going to watch the video for another laugh now. In our thrasher roams we've made heavy platted battleships melt under a couple volleys with enough of them.
Tuttomenui II Aliastra Gallente Federation 292	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:36:14 - [80] - Quote It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned it but smart bombs AS FAR AS I KNOW do not do focused damage. If a ship is next to you and you fire the smart bomb you will not do the advertised damage as the damaged is spread over the advertised area. So you only do a percentage of the damage. That or the damage is divided by the number of ships in range. I could be wrong though.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6547	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:48:30 - [81] - Quote Tuttomenui II wrote: It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned it but smart bombs AS FAR AS I KNOW do not do focused damage. If a ship is next to you and you fire the smart bomb you will not do the advertised damage as the damaged is spread over the advertised area. So you only do a percentage of the damage. That or the damage is divided by the number of ships in range. I could be wrong though. Are smart bombs distributing damage based on ship size in some manner as done with missiles? Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 194	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:50:33 - [82] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Tuttomenui II wrote: It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned it but smart bombs AS FAR AS I KNOW do not do focused damage. If a ship is next to you and you fire the smart bomb you will not do the advertised damage as the damaged is spread over the advertised area. So you only do a percentage of the damage. That or the damage is divided by the number of ships in range. I could be wrong though. Are smart bombs distributing damage based on ship size in some manner as done with missiles? Noep. They have no explosion radius or signature resolution attributes. Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Make BS & BC Worth the Warp! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Jenshae Chiroptera 1261	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:15:24 - [83] - Quote Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote: They have no explosion radius or signature resolution attributes. NERF it! CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Astroniomix Tankers in Spaaaaace 876	Posted - 2015.04.10 01:50:25 - [84] - Quote Smartbombs do their damage to anything (minus the host ship) within their AOE, however shield/armor/hull resistance will reduce the damage the target actually recieves. Which is why it looks like they aren't "doing focused damage"
Infrequent Vanilla. 81	Posted - 2015.04.10 12:19:07 - [85] - Quote Mashie Saldana wrote: Elenahina wrote: I'll be surprised if not only do you not get your ships back, but some of you don't get temp bans for "deliberately inducing server lag". It's a pretty well known fact that smartbombing large-ish groups of ships in high sec will produce mind numbing levels of lag as the server tries to spawn concord for every ship you hit - and everyone else in your fleet is doing the same thing. You did it to yourself, and have no one but yourself to blame. That said, good on you for creating content. So it's their fault CCP's got crap servers? :) Please tell me more about how military grade servers are crap.
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation4 39	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:06:27 - [86] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: And raw damage and resists does not matter here. 140k is raw damage. 100k EHP is the amount of raw damage needed to kill the ship instantly, so we are already comparing the same things if we have raw DMG and EHP. Range, their own logi, overheating, shield regen, lack of perfect skills in the attackers, there are many factors to shake off that 40K. Their own logi ~_~''' Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) Back to the damage while warping thing: First, Incursion logis have WAY, WAAAAY, WAAAAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAAAAY less EHP than 140k. Second, they were still leaving warp while the first volley should have hit. Try to lock something while your ship is working. That should solve your question here. Overheat? Maybe. Still they had no fleetboost, so 1 overheated invul doesn't bring your ship even close to 200k+. You get hit by the first cycle while in warp, absolutlely helpless, the second one hits 6-8 seconds later while you'r scrammed and webbed. Logis are gone on the first one. If the servers would work there is no chance of escape.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1302	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:15:25 - [87] - Quote I got to watch that video later and add my feedback to this. I bet most people here never actually disco'd anything. Btw, why didn't you use t2 large ones? This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1304	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:17:12 - [88] - Quote Also I want to add that smartbombs have a hidde bonus to range depending on the shipsize. The bigger your "long axis" the further you do damage. Just for completeness. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Sexy Cakes Have A Seat 922	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:26:51 - [89] - Quote Kudos for trying. Dead carebears are always something to strive towards. Not today spaghetti.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1267	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:46:48 - [90] - Quote Sexy Cakes wrote: Dead carebears Achievement unlocked! Forum thread full of tears! CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
PopplerRo 21	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:47:26 - [91] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: ... ... .. Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) ... Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec, it's not to say they wouldn't have reimbursed if you folks were successful then. Nice idea though, shame the server couldn't handle this bit of gameplay
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 212	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:48:32 - [92] - Quote PopplerRo wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: ... ... .. Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) ... Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec WHAT Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Make BS & BC Worth the Warp! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1679	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:53:33 - [93] - Quote Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote: PopplerRo wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: ... ... .. Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) ... Except lately I've seen where CCP were reimbursing pods/shuttles which died to smartbombers while landing on gate (still technically in warp) in highsec WHAT I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work...
PopplerRo 21	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:58:32 - [94] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work... The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now... think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurt me while in warp and unable to react to what is happening, waa waa reimburse me"
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1679	Posted - 2015.04.10 14:58:38 - [95] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: And raw damage and resists does not matter here. 140k is raw damage. 100k EHP is the amount of raw damage needed to kill the ship instantly, so we are already comparing the same things if we have raw DMG and EHP. Range, their own logi, overheating, shield regen, lack of perfect skills in the attackers, there are many factors to shake off that 40K. Their own logi ~_~''' Fun fact for you: Smartbombs do damage while your ship is still leaving warp. To the other comments: Do you think after 2 hours waiting and finally getting ready for a few min, people went afk or tried to activate the first volley via mouse? (YES, we clicked after noticing nothing worked anymore) Back to the damage while warping thing: First, Incursion logis have WAY, WAAAAY, WAAAAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAAAAY less EHP than 140k. Second, they were still leaving warp while the first volley should have hit. Try to lock something while your ship is working. That should solve your question here. Overheat? Maybe. Still they had no fleetboost, so 1 overheated invul doesn't bring your ship even close to 200k+. You get hit by the first cycle while in warp, absolutlely helpless, the second one hits 6-8 seconds later while you'r scrammed and webbed. Logis are gone on the first one. If the servers would work there is no chance of escape. Indeed if the server were able to handle all that happened within those few seconds, the logi and battleship should of died. The only issue is, did CCP ever say stuff like that was supposed to be supported correctly by the server? The number generated were pretty damn high on a non-reinforced node which might also have been dealing with action in other systems.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1679	Posted - 2015.04.10 15:00:22 - [96] - Quote PopplerRo wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work... The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now... think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurtme while in warp and unable to react to what is happening" Yeah and the real question is, are you supposed to be vulnerable to smartbomb or not while in warp. If you are not supposed to be immune, the reimbursement was an error. If you are supposed to be immune, then it should be reported as a bug.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1338	Posted - 2015.04.10 15:14:14 - [97] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: PopplerRo wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: I can't say for sure but the argument was probably along the line of I'm not supposed to be able to take damage while in warp and I should be in a session change when I exit warp again preventing me from taking damage. That's the only way I can think filing for reimbursement on that could have a chance to work... The whole argument was probably based on if you are supposed to take damage while in warp or not. I know it work right now but if someone petitioned it, who knows how it's supposed to work now... think it was along the lines of "I'm in warp, no one should be able hurtme while in warp and unable to react to what is happening" Yeah and the real question is, are you supposed to be vulnerable to smartbomb or not while in warp. If you are not supposed to be immune, the reimbursement was an error. If you are supposed to be immune, then it should be reported as a bug. It has been like this for years and there must have been hundreds of petitions about this already. Santo Trafficante made sure of that. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Asura Vajrarupa Mud-N-Sparklez 49	Posted - 2015.04.10 16:09:26 - [98] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Herzog, I hope you are joking. I'm not an aspergian min-maxer, meaning I never used a disco BS. I never set out to "do everything" in the game and have never used a smart bomb. So I am serious. If there is some denigration to be afforded for not knowing, then excuse me for not going to out use every last detail in the game out of some obsession. Forgive me for being sane and having a life. Yeah, but there's this thing called the internet, you can do searches for information on it with another thing called a search engine (which btw isn't like a car engine)... Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 215	Posted - 2015.04.10 16:16:34 - [99] - Quote Asura Vajrarupa wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Herzog, I hope you are joking. I'm not an aspergian min-maxer, meaning I never used a disco BS. I never set out to "do everything" in the game and have never used a smart bomb. So I am serious. If there is some denigration to be afforded for not knowing, then excuse me for not going to out use every last detail in the game out of some obsession. Forgive me for being sane and having a life. Yeah, but there's this thing called the internet, you can do searches for information on it with another thing called a search engine (which btw isn't like a car engine)... What about hooman interaction? (GÿPn+ƒpâ«n+ƒ)GÿP Gÿ£(n+ƒpâ«n+ƒGÿ£) Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Make BS & BC Worth the Warp! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 565	Posted - 2015.04.10 20:34:41 - [100] - Quote If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1273	Posted - 2015.04.11 00:01:09 - [101] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been. It was the best event of the week for me regarding EVE. Thinking about it, seeing this thread brings a smile every time. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 222	Posted - 2015.04.11 06:41:41 - [102] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. They didn't plan for success - I don't see haulers and water reservoirs on standby. Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Make BS & BC Worth the Warp! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Malcaz Addicted to Shljivovica The Looper Collective 36	Posted - 2015.04.11 20:24:25 - [103] - Quote Ganker tears yummy
Oxide Ammar 197	Posted - 2015.04.12 04:34:59 - [104] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: You also went after buffer fitted omni tanked battleships with your attack, who can overheat hardeners and are well trained at doing so when in dangerous situations, incursion fleets are not 'afk' miners (who are a mythical beast anyway for the most part) in 10k EHP ships. QFT. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
Liafcipe9000 Critically Preposterous 34834	Posted - 2015.04.12 07:30:47 - [105] - Quote Niclas Miula wrote: How CCP protect da Carebears they don't. Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight! I am a cat.
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 165	Posted - 2015.04.12 08:04:26 - [106] - Quote The bad plan (check) made by bad people (check) goonies included (check) executed with little to no forethought (check). Your contribution to my tear bucket is appreciated. P.S. "We are goonies, we can totally jump our cap fleet into this unreinforced system right on top of enemy fleet and nothing bad will happen." - I understand that this was not yesterday already (and CCP has habitually catered to petition spam and reimbursed the results of a bad decision like it's nothing), but some people never learn, serving as yet another proof that gankers are bottom feeders of eve skill-wise and just fell into this occupation by not being able to do anything harder. I mean, it did take them a whole month!!! to get 26 identically fit machs in hisec, wow. Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy. If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Shade Millith Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective 147	Posted - 2015.04.12 13:56:40 - [107] - Quote Yun Kuai wrote: Pipe bombing 100+ men fleet in nullsec is easily done with very limited lag. The last pipebomb I ended up in nullsec in took a good 2-3 minutes to go through 2 smartbomb cycles. 100k EHP eagle slowly watching my health tick down. Pipebombing creates a magnitude more lag than targeting something and shooting it. That's just the reality of it. And in highsec, where the servers are not expected to take that kind of load, it's going to hit far harder than nullsec.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1276	Posted - 2015.04.12 14:56:49 - [108] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: The bad plan (check) made by bad people (check) goonies included (check) executed with little to no forethought (check). Your contribution to my tear bucket is appreciated.. Mmmm ... yes. I am drinking from a glass of water right now and imagining it is full of ganker tears. It tastes like nectar. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 574	Posted - 2015.04.13 05:30:59 - [109] - Quote I'm not really in to the pirate thing but I tried to web down a guy who was being bumped in the cow pasture tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbwy1kn3BA Ended in fail. I have in the past tried to remote rep them with Guardians, that ended in fail as well. Aside from corp member web escort, I can find no counter to the bump mechanic. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Basil Pupkin Why So Platypus 166	Posted - 2015.04.13 07:41:50 - [110] - Quote Ioci wrote: I'm not really in to the pirate thing but I tried to web down a guy who was being bumped in the cow pasture tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbwy1kn3BA Ended in fail. I have in the past tried to remote rep them with Guardians, that ended in fail as well. Aside from corp member web escort, I can find no counter to the bump mechanic. You think all those terrible people (could do it / would be doing it) if it weren't completely foolproof? Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy. If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 574	Posted - 2015.04.13 08:25:54 - [111] - Quote Basil Pupkin wrote: Ioci wrote: I'm not really in to the pirate thing but I tried to web down a guy who was being bumped in the cow pasture tonight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbwy1kn3BA Ended in fail. I have in the past tried to remote rep them with Guardians, that ended in fail as well. Aside from corp member web escort, I can find no counter to the bump mechanic. You think all those terrible people (could do it / would be doing it) if it weren't completely foolproof? I'm trying to imagine how CCP could introduce bump mechanics and the things connected to it in to an NPE without making EVE and themselves look like complete meatheads. They could do it from either side of the coin, it still looks like a circus sideshow. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1687	Posted - 2015.04.13 17:10:46 - [112] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been. Lots of loot would of been killed by smartbombs going off after some **** already went boom no?
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation4 39	Posted - 2015.04.15 22:35:53 - [113] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: If this had gone off without a hitch, it would probably have been the best ALOD of the year. Not only that, the small loss of 24 bil would have probably gotten made up for in the loot drops and the tears. Oh how mighty the tears would have been. Lots of loot would of been killed by smartbombs going off after some **** already went boom no? not sure if troll or serious. might aswell be highsec miner.
Akirei Scytale Okami Syndicate 3488	Posted - 2015.04.15 22:44:01 - [114] - Quote It took you a month to fit smartbombs onto Machariels and then go die? How does that even work?
Jenshae Chiroptera 1342	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:09:09 - [115] - Quote Akirei Scytale wrote: It took you a month to fit smartbombs onto Machariels and then go die? How does that even work? Herding Cats level 1 Training n00bs level 1 Fit search ability level 2 CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation4 39	Posted - 2015.04.16 12:59:19 - [116] - Quote Holy f how dense can people be... FAQ for those with flubber instead of brain: "ganker tears #LOLOLOL" - dudes and dudines, we wasted 40b for fun, and yes, we were kinda disappointed about the poor server performance, didn't really see any flames here. "he says 40b #LOLOLOLOL there were only 26 machs and that was 40b? What an idiot" - First, many people were on alts that had no API on any KB, so there are not all 55+ shipkills uploaded. Second, have this: Machs ~25b, Fits (we bought a lot of stuff to refit for different occasions and skills) ~5b, PLEX sponsored to some people to take part who had inactive accounts: ~9b. And if you add those numbers, and a bit of isk for needed parts like a pos, you might maaaybe get to 40b. Oh btw... there is still fit leftovers, haven't sold them yet. "It took you 1 month for this? How ****** are you?" - Easy to answer. Try to gather 50+ people from this many alliances and places AND THEN find a date where EVERYBODY has time for this event. THIS took the month. "lol u fgt Smartbombs destroy ur lootz ur so dumb" - Go to the testserver. Fit a smartbomb. Land in range to any wreck. Activate. Be amazed. And Basil my sweetheart... Please check all of the points above. "Because I can" seems a hard to grasp concept for some people here.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1350	Posted - 2015.04.16 16:27:42 - [117] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: Holy f how dense can people be.... Rage more, please. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow** Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 568	Posted - 2015.04.16 21:42:01 - [118] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Holy f** how dense can people be.... Rage more, please. ^^^^ That dense.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1355	Posted - 2015.04.17 00:53:23 - [119] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Holy f how dense can people be.... Rage more, please. ^^^^ That dense. Dense is great, carbon and metals are move valuable with more density. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow** Fozzie is treating a symptom.

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