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Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.06 16:32:00 - [151] Originally by: Light Darkness V / LV and RA are the main parts in this war and we fought over years this war. Wake up.
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 16:38:00 - [152] Remedial <3 \o/ - BH
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.06 16:41:00 - [153] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Light Darkness V / LV and RA are the main parts in this war and we fought over years this war. Wake up. Iam still awake. What i mean that V / LV (and CHIMP)was since day No one ilvolved in this war. OSS or KOS and more joined us. sure. Sry that i forgot you. /LD -V-eritas Immortalis Originally by: nync we fisrt time saw -v-members ctrl+qing to save their ships,we started to think how to pay attention of eve community
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.06 16:45:00 - [154] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Light Darkness V / LV and RA are the main parts in this war and we fought over years this war. Wake up. Post with your main ! ... the goon ...
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.11.06 16:56:00 - [155] Edited by: Shadoo on 06/11/2006 16:56:28 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Light Darkness V / LV and RA are the main parts in this war and we fought over years this war. Wake up. Granted, I was only 8 months in the conflict, but afaik everyone in the conflict for the last year will agree to what LD is saying when he says main parts. Goons are a late addition, TCF left for a while, ERA was down for ~4months(?) and KOS came to town for 8 months after V/LV/CHIMP assault. Many CHIMP corps from the last assault are now in LV, thou personally I still would have mentioned them as a main part over the last year. As to LD's comment about RA not speaking in the convo -- I would imagine they were in close convo with Remedial and refrained from the particular chat for language purposes. Also to me reading from this perspective -- Remedial didn't come across particularly arrogant. He stated facts RaGoons believe to be true, just as the coalition did 6 months ago before the faithful C-J6 attacks (Chow's posts). Time will tell if -V- will adapt to a similar small, dedicated and extremely disciplined force that RA became. And with all the POS warfare around the place prompting finally devs to put serious effort into fixing the lag -- will the changes arrive in time to change the lag advantage defenders have. Anyways, best of luck -V- and much respect for having a core that keeps on fighting, but is not afraid to negotiate alternative paths.
Light Darkness Seraphin Technologies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.06 17:29:00 - [156] Edited by: Light Darkness on 06/11/2006 17:31:54 Originally by: Shadoo Edited by: Shadoo on 06/11/2006 16:56:28 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Light Darkness V / LV and RA are the main parts in this war and we fought over years this war. Wake up. Granted, I was only 8 months in the conflict, but afaik everyone in the conflict for the last year will agree to what LD is saying when he says main parts. Goons are a late addition, TCF left for a while, ERA was down for ~4months(?) and KOS came to town for 8 months after V/LV/CHIMP assault. Many CHIMP corps from the last assault are now in LV, thou personally I still would have mentioned them as a main part over the last year. As to LD's comment about RA not speaking in the convo -- I would imagine they were in close convo with Remedial and refrained from the particular chat for language purposes. Also to me reading from this perspective -- Remedial didn't come across particularly arrogant. He stated facts RaGoons believe to be true, just as the coalition did 6 months ago before the faithful C-J6 attacks (Chow's posts). Time will tell if -V- will adapt to a similar small, dedicated and extremely disciplined force that RA became. And with all the POS warfare around the place prompting finally devs to put serious effort into fixing the lag -- will the changes arrive in time to change the lag advantage defenders have. Anyways, best of luck -V- and much respect for having a core that keeps on fighting, but is not afraid to negotiate alternative paths. Also here thx for your words and again its sad to see you guys red. But likle you see in the posted convo. We was open to end a war we fought now years to keep all parts fair and fresh for the future in KALI. But if a fresh part (like GOONS) mean to speak for a old part (speaking for RA) is arrogant in my eyes. Nync and also Mac are able to speak and understand english. Its only a part to show respect if the "old main parts" are speaking for this war. and not a "fresh unused part" with a big mouth and no expirience behind the ears. I every respect RA in this War. But now i start to hate GS. /LD -V-eritas Immortalis Originally by: nync we fisrt time saw -v-members ctrl+qing to save their ships,we started to think how to pay attention of eve community
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.06 17:36:00 - [157] Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know.
RealLiveGirl Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.11.06 17:50:00 - [158] I don't think any spies turned off the POSs. I think -V- screwed up and left them out of fuel, with LD and corn1 and the others not around to refuel them when the system got locked down.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:02:00 - [159] Originally by: crice Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know. You have no clue about what happened in JLO The pos were off line because somebody forgot, or didn't bother, to fuel them. Strangely enough I don't see LD or any other V member trying to spin it any other way. Give it up before you embarass yourself any further.
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:05:00 - [160] Originally by: crice Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know. LV talking about honor in the same sentence about offlining POSes via spies?! Hilarious! _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:23:00 - [161] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/11/2006 18:26:39 Originally by: Shadoo Granted, I was only 8 months in the conflict, but afaik everyone in the conflict for the last year will agree to what LD is saying when he says main parts. You aren't forgotten, like Chimp, but what's left of the old long-time participants, who began this, seems to be LV/V and RA. I see it still as the old war. Ok, Goons came, IMP, TCF, but in the end it's still the old war about the rivalry between, what's left of the Coalition and RA, at least for the people, who are in this for a long time. It's an emotional thing for me. During my whole 0.0 time, RA was the main opponent. I also met Imperium guys aside with RA in Curse already many months ago, but only small gangs, TCF now means that Section XIII is back on the field, also old curse inhabitants, who were in this already over one year ago. For me this war is the continuation of a conflict that started already with 5 vs. RA, when I (my other main) came to 0.0. I remember, when Section XIII changed from 5-friendly to RA-friendly, when they finally joined RA, our ganking squads with -GE- into RA space and all that. When V/GE helped my corp to kill a red pos in g-q in Wicked Creek with BS and one dread for fun, so that 5 and RA had the same amount of poses, sovereignty fell, and my alliance-less corp could take the station from RA, but not make it invulnerable due to not having sovereignty. We lost it a few hours later again. Was totally useless, but funny story anyway. My 0.0 has been always about RA-related stuff. And to the goons: Sorry, just because Goons appeared on the battlefield doesn't change the emotional side for me. I'm not ready to leave my old wife RA yet, because of Goons.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:37:00 - [162] Originally by: Light Darkness Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Light Darkness V / LV and RA are the main parts in this war and we fought over years this war. Wake up. Iam still awake. What i mean that V / LV (and CHIMP)was since day No one ilvolved in this war. OSS or KOS and more joined us. sure. Sry that i forgot you. /LD No, you misunderstand. What I meant was if you think the only big players in the south are V/LV and RA, you need to wake up and see what's really happening. Originally by: Plutoinum Post with your main ! ... the goon ... Can't, it's against corp rules Originally by: crice Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know.
Vashi Dokumentu The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:46:00 - [163] Respect for -v- ??? Hmmm never had, and never will....People who saying racist words in local, who blame russians at all problems in eve - no way......no way respect for -v-..... fofofo
Hawkings SJ Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.06 18:58:00 - [164] Originally by: KIAEddZ Sigh. LD, I like you a lot, much admiration for you and your peeps, you know that. But you have 0 chance in this war. Your members do not have the desire, the strategy and most importantly the discipline to win. It will cost you everything you have to try and defend, but you cannot hold out forever, you will need a back up plan. The goons will take Scalding pass, I am sure of that. Well TBH, LV & V were both planning on unilateral surrender if Goons extend the KIA contract for another week.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.11.06 19:25:00 - [165] Originally by: Light Darkness I every respect RA in this War. But now i start to hate GS. /LD Whoa, if you truly hate someone in a game then you need to take a step back and take a break. The only reason you should really hate anyone or anything in this game is if you know that personally. Then again, you're prob just using hate to show your dislike for goons. And they don't even have forum wars going on.. === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Shadoo The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:37:00 - [166] Originally by: crice Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know. It seems I need to once again state the fact here: RaGoons did not use spies to turn off sov/towers in N7-, Q-GQ, F-EM, 4-E when they attacked KOS. KOS was attacked on all sides, our supply lines became increasingly thin, our ice miners were constantly attacked forcing us to haul parts + topes from empire. Freighters had to be logged off due to heavy resistance on the highway, and replacement topes emergency cynoed in with Carrier bridges (2 cynos). It wasn't fun for the last few months as corps and people quit or took breaks thus putting more load on the ones who were still around. In the end -- towers ran out of fuel, some did not get guns/ammo delivered, etc etc etc... PS. Even if it was done to KOS -- we would not complain about it on forums -- seeing the Coalition successfully "convinced factions withing RA" to turn off towers during the war. Originally by: Plutoinum You aren't forgotten, like Chimp, but what's left of the old long-time participants, who began this, seems to be LV/V and RA. I see it still as the old war. I think for KOS every member who's been in the assault from the beginning has always felt and stated that the core of the war has been LV/V vs RA -- we were lucky enough to be part of it during the good times (and there were plenty) and bad times. A wonderful learning experience and great fun (except the last few months ) for sure.
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:18:00 - [167] Originally by: crice Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know. DUDE, YOU should really STFU about honor here... before I start posting the logs i have =/ - BH
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:01:00 - [168] Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: crice Your bragging about taking down POS's by using a spy to turn off the POS's? Where is the honor in that? This was done to KOS and now V. This is certainly not the same KIA I used to know. DUDE, YOU should really STFU about honor here... before I start posting the logs i have =/ Think we can stop it now. Fact is: 1) it wasn't due to an RA spy. 2) Like Shadoo said, we, the Coalition have used that method at least once. Don't know if it was an RA guy, who off-lined RA poses, or if it was an alt though. It was in cache a few months ago and I was there. RA thought, we used an exploit, but we 'bragged' that it was a spy on these same forums. Old story, so like Shadoo said, we couldn't even complain, if it had happened now, but it hasn't.
Amerame Section XIII	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:27:00 - [169] The vast difference between Veritas situation now and RA situation 6 months ago is that the SoCo has put carebears directly imported from Jita to take RA space, which didn't turn out to be a great idea in the long run. Now RA's allies are kinda stronger than KOS, ERA's remnants and other even worse alliances that names should better be forgotten that were in Cache / Insmother. Imperium and TNT are made of hardened veteran looking for fights, not like it's going to be easy to fight them in GW. TCF, Goon have both sustained for weeks a siege from the whole northern coalition, we can both defend our PoSes against a whole coalition for a while. People that were put in charge of RA territory by the SoCo were never able to control their space and eventually, and logicaly, lost it. On the other hand Scalding Pass is void of any Veritas activity, they never go outside of their stations / PoSes with anything less than 20 players, their PoS are regularly attacked, how long do you think it's fun to stay docked and blob once in while to defend a PoS ?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:51:00 - [170] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/11/2006 22:52:57 Originally by: Amerame how long do you think it's fun to stay docked and blob once in while to defend a PoS ? Sad thing is, we lack some serious blobbing capabilities. Lost my last tempest in a 20 vs 80+ situation in the night. But had still another one in GW on station, moved it to RYC to defend, moved it yesterday to 1v after the 'shock' and now I'm with it in JLO after surviving the lag and node crash in the 1st engagement. I could have made it shorter: I think I get my things done. Have seen better times, but feel ok.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:55:00 - [171] Originally by: Plutoinum Sad thing is, we lack some serious blobbing capabilities...I'm with it in JLO after surviving the lag and node crash in the 1st engagement. I'm hearing there are like 75 in the Red Swarm gang, and 350+ in local. How big of a blob do you want
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.06 23:21:00 - [172] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/11/2006 23:27:05 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Plutoinum Sad thing is, we lack some serious blobbing capabilities...I'm with it in JLO after surviving the lag and node crash in the 1st engagement. I'm hearing there are like 75 in the Red Swarm gang, and 350+ in local. How big of a blob do you want When we jumped into the goon camp, we had around 65 in the V gang. Node wasn't very happy, I got disconnected already when firing at the 1st primary. Took at least 5 minutes to get back in ( getting something on the overview again was another pain) and then I needed already to warp out. A few minutes later LV arrived from another system/gate and took control of the gate. Well, I've been 3 nights or so in ryc trying to defend a few smalltowers with 15-35 against 80-115 goons/ra/kia usually between 4:00 AM and 8:00 AM in the morning. Didn't work though, but well, blobbing is relative. If you are in the minority the other side is blobbing.
Fartimus Prime Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.06 23:36:00 - [173] Originally by: Plutoinum If you are in the minority the other side is blobbing. It's kind of like how when you're driving, anyone going slower than you is a moron and anyone going faster than you is a maniac
Unfamed II FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.06 23:42:00 - [174] Originally by: Fartimus Prime Originally by: Plutoinum If you are in the minority the other side is blobbing. It's kind of like how when you're driving, anyone going slower than you is a moron and anyone going faster than you is a maniac Where can i join your corp? Who is your ceo? Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.11.07 00:25:00 - [175] hahahahaha
k1Lz Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:48:00 - [176] Lets stop all this futile discussions about honor, we all know that this conflict has evolve at a such stage that now each one of the side will use any mean necessary to win, is not about space or resources is just a pure hate war. Each one wish to see the other eliminated there is no more respect, there is no more fun only victory matters the rest are just side effects, see u in space ragoons.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:03:00 - [177] Edited by: Plutoinum on 07/11/2006 09:05:30 Originally by: k1Lz is just a pure hate war. A bit extreme. To be honest, if I totally hated all our enemies, I'd get into trouble once I'd meet someone, who I dislike even a lot more. How should I call it then ? Ultra-mega-hate ? To be honest, on top of my dislike-list isn't even RA, but some other smackers of their friends. At least RA has proved something during the last months and maybe earned some right to smack now. Well, some others ... don't know. And I respect macteps gangs of course, the success speaks for him/them, so can't hate them either. And if others say: 'I hate -V- !' .... I give a fu**. You know the word. don't need your love.
arkarsk Provenance.	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:07:00 - [178] Originally by: k1Lz just a pure hate war I'm fairly sure that only a small minority on both sides of the fight share that view. Atleast, I hope so - if i'm wrong, then this stopped being a game... and there'll be some punches thrown at the fanfest :) -----------------
Obivan Efa The Machines	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:01:00 - [179] Notable... Several months ago then The Coalition pressed RA very hard in 10 vs 1 advantage.. and RA had no stations in ownership... There were different words... There was no place for "respect", "honor", "deals with enemy", "NAPs" and so on. The Coalition had only 1 aim - destroy RA and nothing more. And what we can see now? Pathetic fall of The Coalition. There is only one respect in EVE - respect of the Force. And there is no honor - winner is always right. ____________________________ Die, but perish! - viking's war-cry
Taka Caldari Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.07 10:40:00 - [180] When your the attacker you have to realize that the defenders might actually come to defend...hence they will bring a blob. if we are whining about blobbing i wanna whine aboiut the time me and 4 corp mates went for a small raid in cache...guess what we got blobbed waaa waaa waaa 4 vs 20 is not cool ..but its funny when we just log of without agression timer. whine over....stop whining about blobbing when trying to attack a system...expect the blob to show. -------------------- My Sig Got Podded!!

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