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Keenan Lennelluc Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:04:45 - [1] - Quote I wanted to get peoples take on the old learning skills that were around when eve first started during the exodus times. skills that increased the speed of training and skills that added attribute points. They certainly helped new players with learning skills quicker and in the long run it could shave days off of the final training time. Should those be put back in the game? arguments for? against? just trying to start a discussion.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10669	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:06:04 - [2] - Quote Keenan Lennelluc wrote: I wanted to get peoples take on the old learning skills that were around when eve first started during the exodus times. skills that increased the speed of training and skills that added attribute points. They certainly helped new players with learning skills quicker and in the long run it could shave days off of the final training time. Should those be put back in the game? arguments for? against? just trying to start a discussion. My argument is "Hell naw".
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1019	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:13:34 - [3] - Quote instead of learning skills these days we just have more attribute points. also we now have the ability to remap to focus on a skill group for a long period. tbh I don't care too much either way, as I pretty much have more SP than I know what to do with, but for the most part I think the answer of "hell naw" is applicable. @ChainsawPlankto
Jenshae Chiroptera 1243	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:14:06 - [4] - Quote Quote: Learning skills: should they come back? No. Implants should stay for holding up pod kills on the end of a stake. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 957	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:19:09 - [5] - Quote Learning skills had the effect that some people actually maximized them first before they started to do some actuall skill training. Which means you had to wait for three months or so before you could actually start with useful skills. And even if you did not maximize this skills, you had to sink some time into them for optimal training. Actually the points from the skills are now permanent on every char, newbros included, so the new players where the big winners of this change. I am glad they are gone, which actually allowed me to create this char without much of a headache. tl;dr No! the Code ALWAYS wins
Complete Tart 1	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:21:33 - [6] - Quote Sure, just add another load of 'must train skills' making it longer for noobs to start training useful stuff. Do you have any more bright ideas pulled from your ass
Krell Kroenen The Devil's Shadow 244	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:25:53 - [7] - Quote Leaning skills allowed for what I call the Ant vs Grasshopper effect.. I for one in my younger pilot days knew that investing time in to learning skills would pay off later down the road. While my CEO at the time shunned them for more instant gratification base skills. And you know because of that I nearly caught up to him in skills points before learning skills were removed. I personally liked that aspect of learning skills. Take that as you may. shrugs
Keenan Lennelluc Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:32:25 - [8] - Quote Complete Tart wrote: Sure, just add another load of 'must train skills' making it longer for noobs to start training useful stuff. Do you have any more bright ideas? awesome glad you approve. ill just add them into the game gimme a few days to write the scripts
Implying Implications Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 432	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:32:55 - [9] - Quote The learning skills removal was probably the best update since I started playing. I spent 5 or 6 weeks at the very beginning training the first tier skills up to 5 and the second tier to 4. No newbie should have to do that. Now CCP needs to remove attributes from the entire game. hello
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 5258	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:34:37 - [10] - Quote Complete Tart wrote: Sure, just add another load of 'must train skills' making it longer for noobs to start training useful stuff. Do you have any more bright ideas? That was the reason they were gotten rid of in the first place. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 77	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:35:11 - [11] - Quote Krell Kroenen wrote: Ant vs Grasshopper effect Grasshopers complained about ants, so CCP made everyone a dung beetles. http://issuu.com/gregory45/docs/roles role icons for new corporation window
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 21026	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:45:36 - [12] - Quote At first I thought this thread to be a troll, until I saw the OP's lengthy and prestigious corp history. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 697	Posted - 2015.04.08 19:55:04 - [13] - Quote Yes. They should also add an undocking skill, a turn left skill, a turn right skill, a skill that allows you to loot wrecks, a skill that increases the number of entries on your overview starting from a total of 1, and a skill to resize the client window.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23550	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:05:56 - [14] - Quote Also going with hell no. They probably drove more potential players away than anything else. Given that we still see people saying SP doesn't accumulate fast enough can you imagine those same people's reaction to several weeks of skill training to achieve the current rate? Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
dark man Skord Republic University Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:09:34 - [15] - Quote Krell Kroenen wrote: Leaning skills allowed for what I call the Ant vs Grasshopper effect.. I for one in my younger pilot days knew that investing time in to learning skills would pay off later down the road. While my CEO at the time shunned them for more instant gratification base skills. And you know because of that I nearly caught up to him in skills points before learning skills were removed. I personally liked that aspect of learning skills. Take that as you may. shrugs I never once thought to myself that learning skills were bad as everyone made it out to be. Despite popular opinion, they were fair. If you chose to forego the training skills, such as your CEO, you would fall behind in SP. This created more diversity in general because it was up to the individual to decide where their account time should be focused into. Fact of the matter is, the change didn't make things fair. It made things better for those who chose not to train them for maximum efficiency. Such as your CEO. People like you, were worse off, comparatively, when these changes went into effect. Me personally, I didn't start training for said skills until I was a year old and I was able to do things other than fly a reaper. At the end of the day, those whining about it, from my perspective, were losers who couldn't be assed to make a sacrifice. People love to say things like "Takes three months before I play the game", but the reality of the situation was completely untrue. They could have easily did what I did and still have fun and be successful without the learning skills. Instead, people thought it was unfair for whatever arbitrary reasons they may have had. It was their choice to spend all their scarce account time to train learning skills and then log off. They could have done alternative things, but they didn't. Instead of letting it fix itself, CCP caved to popular forum opinion. just as they did to titan nerfs and many other things. Everything the loud minority complained about, was usually another individual/group of people's hard work. To achieve, what people considered fair, was at the expense of others. No one ever really talks about that though. No one talks about how so and so made good choices that helped him get ahead in Eve. But this shouldn't be too surprising in a video game. This sort of drivel goes on in the real world where real human lives suffer unnecessarily because of laws or rules passed to make things fair for one group of people at the expense of others instead of letting the free market do its thing. Nationality, race, religion, or any other label isn't excluded. Humans are all alike in this regard. It's why title, prestige, other social functions that put others on a pedestal have no meaning to me. Once one understand the true psychology of humans and how economics work, it's very easy to see where things are going to head before it happens despite popular opinion or criticisms. By all rights, you should have pulled ahead of your CEO and been a good example in using your scarce account time as an investment for yourself. While yes, by design, it does seem pointless, that is something that should have been thought of before such a feature was ever implemented. But by removing them at a later date, you essentially punish those that had invested into it. Refunding skill points for said skills is worthless in the long run because every individual that had trained for the skills would have gotten a much larger return for their investment in the first place. Anyway, I believe they shouldn't bring them back as it's too late and everybody as already adjusted to it. People need to learn to calm and control themselves and realize that things are not as bad as they think. I believe the direction Eve is heading into is far more dangerous for both CCP and the player base. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, but I started playing eve because of "harsh" it could be. Overtime, through various changes imposed by CCP, I have lost a lot of love for this game. I still have quite a bit thought because there have been changes that I consider good. But, If I had to quantify it I'd say I'm in the negative. Regardless, a tl;dr: No, but not for the mundane reasons the majority of people have.
HiltoftheDragons Grievance3 61	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:21:49 - [16] - Quote I had all the learning skils to 5 but i worked on them between core skills. I dont miss them one bit. Destiny always seems decades away, but suddenly it's not decades away; it's right now. But maybe destiny is always right now, right here, right this very instant, maybe.
Angelica Everstar 110	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:30:24 - [17] - Quote NO WAY § Any typos, bad spelling or grammar found, are yours to keep. ¢ Bonds: Current AE07 1 Trillion (Filled) // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK ¦Æ Angel Consulting (Tobeannounced) Gäó @EveEntrepreneur
Celise Katelo State War Academy Caldari State 75	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:31:50 - [18] - Quote We need a skill for typing in the forums We need a skill for typing in any chat channel in the game We need a skill for typing in your Bio We need a skill for typing A, E, I, O, U in all of the above EVEBoard ...Just over 20million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1072	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:32:55 - [19] - Quote What are you smoking, f*ck no! My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25066	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:42:26 - [20] - Quote Keenan Lennelluc wrote: They certainly helped new players with learning skills quicker and in the long run it could shave days off of the final training time. No, they didn't. The only helped new players quit the game because they had to choose between progressing slowly or having no useful skills. At no point did they do new players any good. You have simply confused the learning skills with the mechanic that replaced them GÇö the latter did actually help new players and shaved off days worth of training time. The learning skills were a hideous, idiotic, pointless, and in every way retarded meta-mechanic that had no relevant connection to any part of the game, and were allowed to fester far too many years after the devs had correctly identified the fundamental design error behind them (which they did pretty much immedeately). They served no useful purpose whatsoever for anyone, and their removal was GÇö by far GÇö the best thing that has ever happened to the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1539	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:48:21 - [21] - Quote Considering there seems to be a goal of removing attributes and learning implants, I somehow doubt that re-introducing learning skills would make anything better. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 444	Posted - 2015.04.08 20:59:34 - [22] - Quote ^ Amen to that. It's dead for a reason...let it be. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Niobe Song Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 88	Posted - 2015.04.08 21:32:49 - [23] - Quote A better question would be "Why were they ever in the game in the first place?". I mean seriously. Who sat down and thought that up and said to themselves "Hey! This will be really fun! Everyone will love this!"
Avaelica Kuershin 20	Posted - 2015.04.08 21:42:30 - [24] - Quote Niobe Song wrote: A better question would be "Why were they ever in the game in the first place?". I mean seriously. Who sat down and thought that up and said to themselves "Hey! This will be really fun! Everyone will love this!" I have a suspicion that they are a legacy from the games EvE is descended from.
Domania Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 63	Posted - 2015.04.08 22:14:09 - [25] - Quote Do you want a game that turns off new players? Because this is how you get a game that turns off new players.
Ambrosse Brutus Cyborg Infomorph Technologies Stain Confederation 11	Posted - 2015.04.08 22:50:42 - [26] - Quote Instead of this, why not introduce an undocking skill which you need to train to level V in order to undock; it would have a similar effect.
Sofanaut Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2015.04.08 22:54:37 - [27] - Quote To summarise then: No.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1006	Posted - 2015.04.08 23:29:01 - [28] - Quote They should definitely be re-introduced and give out one million ISK per level, multiplied by the amount of skills one has already. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Lienzo Amanuensis 79	Posted - 2015.04.09 01:41:40 - [29] - Quote All non-specialist skills are bad. Fitting skills? They're just as bad because the meta list goes backwards to hurt new players and reward veterans with the ability to more easily fit oversize modules. The skill trees should be about getting people to dabble in professions and choose specialities. That's it. The idea that they keep players around or coming back on the basis of the sunk-cost fallacy is an illusion. If players have fewer other players to encounter, it simply increases the likelihood that they will get bored of the game and leave.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1020	Posted - 2015.04.09 02:18:56 - [30] - Quote HiltoftheDragons wrote: I had all the learning skils to 5 but i worked on them between core skills. I dont miss them one bit. back before skill queues they were kinda nice to have something that took a few days to train that you could train when you were going to be gone for a day or two, I guess learning skills had at least that going for them @ChainsawPlankto
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 5783	Posted - 2015.04.09 02:26:35 - [31] - Quote Learning skills provided naught but onanistic pleasure for minmaxers and dreary drugework for all others. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Cancel Align NOW Greater Order Of Destruction The Good Christian Society 497	Posted - 2015.04.09 02:46:07 - [32] - Quote Ambrosse Brutus wrote: Instead of this, why not introduce an undocking skill which you need to train to level V in order to undock; it would have a similar effect. And: Align skill Orbit skill Module Activation skill Chat Channel Input skill ...
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 699	Posted - 2015.04.09 03:01:22 - [33] - Quote Niobe Song wrote: A better question would be "Why were they ever in the game in the first place?". I mean seriously. Who sat down and thought that up and said to themselves "Hey! This will be really fun! Everyone will love this!" This game is made by Icelandic people. They live on a barren rock and eat rotten sharks. I don't think they have a word for fun or understand its meaning.
stoicfaux 5559	Posted - 2015.04.09 04:11:56 - [34] - Quote Two words: No. Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ioci Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums 568	Posted - 2015.04.09 05:04:07 - [35] - Quote They adjusted our attribute pool when they took them out. They gave us the skill bonuses in attributes. If they returned the skills I would expect them to lower base attributes again as well. Most of us older players wouldn't care one way or the other. We are training 5's we will never use as it is. R.I.P. Vile Rat
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1953	Posted - 2015.04.09 05:31:45 - [36] - Quote Definitely not. And learning implants should be removed too. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Insurance Agent Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.04.09 06:10:35 - [37] - Quote They should but not exactly the same way. You would have to pick one learning skill in combat, one in industry, one in leadership, one in corporation management and uhhh what else is there, trade? Oh and science. Then you could pick one sub skill in each, +5 attribute bonus/ level when learning a specific skill related to each field, so for example if you picked small blasters, you would have a bonus to learning the small blaster skills. Think of these as talent skills, everyone gets to be good at training one thing really well.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Gate Camp Theory 1575	Posted - 2015.04.09 06:15:25 - [38] - Quote Keenan Lennelluc wrote: I wanted to get peoples take on the old learning skills that were around when eve first started during the exodus times. skills that increased the speed of training and skills that added attribute points. They certainly helped new players with learning skills quicker and in the long run it could shave days off of the final training time. Should those be put back in the game? arguments for? against? just trying to start a discussion. no TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 194	Posted - 2015.04.09 07:16:43 - [39] - Quote No. Never. Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Make BS & BC Worth the Warp! ( -í° -£-û -í°)
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 631	Posted - 2015.04.09 08:00:00 - [40] - Quote I did train a new character and started with those pesky learningskills. Maxed before I even started training something like Amarr frigate 4. When they removed them I was kinda sad. All that "work"... But reimbursing the skills and re-alocating them was awesome :) You want to train faster. Everybody wants to train faster. That's why implants sell. My answer is "no" for a myriad of reasons. All of them already mentioned tho...
Dominique Vasilkovsky BFG Tech 227	Posted - 2015.04.09 09:54:41 - [41] - Quote Awesome troll post OP, 8/10 for everyone taking the bait. Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard Once known as: Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5996	Posted - 2015.04.09 09:57:19 - [42] - Quote What would be really awesome is if we bring back the learning skills, and then institute a whole new set of learning skills that help us to learn the original learning skills faster! Then new characters could wait even longer before training an actual useful skill. Yeah, let's do that! I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 108	Posted - 2015.04.09 10:12:36 - [43] - Quote ISK and SP are the only two haviest drugs which are moving this game further. All newbies are in blind desire of millions of isk and millions of skill points. That's why they want it asap. Learning skills were kind of tidi factor fore most of the new arrivals (alts not contented) cause you had some free time untill you could move further with next level of learning. So people spent sometime on learning the abc's about game, environment and content. That was good. No we have those training going way faster especially for focused alts when uou could simply inject +4 imps and add cerebral accelerators. That's why we have SB profession easily achievable nowadays or either fw alts seeded by masses. There are many other examples. But bringing those back has no point now cause we all accepted those changes and i couldn't say that current system is bad.
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 408	Posted - 2015.04.09 10:33:16 - [44] - Quote How stupid. Learning Skills that allow us to Learn Skills...
Sophia Skinner Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2015.04.09 12:35:42 - [45] - Quote On top of a big "hell no!" for this idea, I'd like to recommend they remove fitting skills to cut down even more time wasted on "need to train" skills that everyone trains to 5 anyway, so newbros can get right to training what they want to train.
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 395	Posted - 2015.04.09 12:37:17 - [46] - Quote While the removal of learning skills hasn't cost us anything (in fact we gained a point IIRC) and it has certainly done what was intended in removing the need for new players to choose between learning learning skills and playing the game... I have noted that many of the comments in favour since their disappearance have flet something like this: Ima Wreckyou wrote: I am glad they are gone, which actually allowed me to create this char without much of a headache. ie: existing players building alts more quickly... Malcanis' Law again... I wonder if perhaps, before the removal, the time spent training Learning skills (and therefore having poor skills in all other regards) gave new players an excuse while they learned to play the game. Presuming that the new players were out playing the game while the alts were mostly station spinning the training time would only be wasted for the older players... Of course the primary reason Learning Skills were a problem was that they were perceived as a problem - I wonder how many new players ever actually worried about them without being told to (I stuck learning skills in here and there for most of my first six months (I guess)) and how much of an issue they would have been had the skill queue existed (Learning skills were one of my early "about to log, need a longer skill" skills).
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 296	Posted - 2015.04.09 12:49:28 - [47] - Quote yeah bring them back, because even with out them to many people complain and whine about how they cant max the game out in a month the idea of skills is one of the only reason im still going at over 165m sp and 403 skills that and the vast majority of "carebear" activities I can do with the heavy weight against pvp. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Arla Sarain 377	Posted - 2015.04.09 12:52:21 - [48] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: Yes. They should also add an undocking skill, a turn left skill, a turn right skill, a skill that allows you to loot wrecks, a skill that increases the number of entries on your overview starting from a total of 1, and a skill to resize the client window. No skill to log in?
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 415	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:07:08 - [49] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: HiltoftheDragons wrote: I had all the learning skils to 5 but i worked on them between core skills. I dont miss them one bit. back before skill queues they were kinda nice to have something that took a few days to train that you could train when you were going to be gone for a day or two, I guess learning skills had at least that going for them So did Battleship V and that's a hell of a lot more fun when you're done with it. Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 415	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:07:56 - [50] - Quote Arla Sarain wrote: Unezka Turigahl wrote: Yes. They should also add an undocking skill, a turn left skill, a turn right skill, a skill that allows you to loot wrecks, a skill that increases the number of entries on your overview starting from a total of 1, and a skill to resize the client window. No skill to log in? That might be self defeating. Agony Unleashed is Recruiting - Small Gang PvP in Null Sec
2Sonas1Cup 64	Posted - 2015.04.09 13:16:15 - [51] - Quote Replace attributes implants with learning skills.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1252	Posted - 2015.04.09 14:06:12 - [52] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Replace attributes implants with learning skills. No. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1087	Posted - 2015.04.09 14:16:30 - [53] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Replace attributes implants with learning skills. No. Replace learning attributes with skill implants? This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25073	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:28:11 - [54] - Quote Jacob Holland wrote: While the removal of learning skills hasn't cost us anything (in fact we gained a point IIRC) and it has certainly done what was intended in removing the need for new players to choose between learning learning skills and playing the game... [GÇª] ie: existing players building alts more quickly... Malcanis' Law again... Not really. If anything, it's quite the opposite: at the time, people were trying to claim that keeping the skills would be good for new players (when the ones they benefitted the most were old players)GÇª somehow. Older and richer player did gain any kind of overwhelming advantage from the removal of the skills GÇö they just got the same benefit as anyone else. That alone rather disqualifies the Law from applying. For once, new players were actually among those who benefitted the most. People creating alts were never particularly bothered with the 3-month startup time or the three-year ROI timeframe, since they could just keep playing on their existing characters, whereas new players had to play with the stunted builds that the Learning Skills created. With the skills removed, the old players got rid of something that didn't bother them to begin with, and new players no longer had to suffer being stunted. Quote: I wonder if perhaps, before the removal, the time spent training Learning skills (and therefore having poor skills in all other regards) gave new players an excuse while they learned to play the game. Presuming that the new players were out playing the game while the alts were mostly station spinning the training time would only be wasted for the older players. No. Because that's not what happened, nor would it had worked as an excuse even if it did. What happened was that new players either had to fly with subpar skills, even months after having started, and be frustrated or they had to not fly at all for months and be frustrated. Either way, they didn't really learn to play the game GÇö they only learned to meticulously plan an idiotic meta-game called EVEMon. That, or they just left outright because they couldn't help noticing what a braindead idea it was. Quote: Of course the primary reason Learning Skills were a problem was that they were perceived as a problem No. They were a problem because they made the NPE awful in every way. They were a pointless meta-mechanic with no impact whatsoever on actual gameplay (which is why they didn't help with learning in any way), and thus had no reason whatsoever to even exist. They served no sane or sensible purpose GÇö they were just a morton's fork where the player picked between being delayed in a big lump or in lots of small lumps. That is pretty much the very definition of a hugely problematic game mechanic: something that makes no difference on the gameplay, and only affects the person outside of the game. They were removed because they had no place in the game and because the game was instantly made vastly better for everyone the second they were gone. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Mag's the united 19269	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:59:06 - [55] - Quote Jacob Holland wrote: While the removal of learning skills hasn't cost us anything (in fact we gained a point IIRC) I actually train slower, as the overall highest SP/h was slightly reduced. But the change and it's benefits far outweighed that reduction. So it was a good change and it actually helped new players. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8335	Posted - 2015.04.09 18:39:52 - [56] - Quote Mag's wrote: Jacob Holland wrote: While the removal of learning skills hasn't cost us anything (in fact we gained a point IIRC) I actually train slower, as the overall highest SP/h was slightly reduced. But the change and it's benefits far outweighed that reduction. So it was a good change and it actually helped new players. I well remember the rage from many of the forum regulars (some whom have posted in this very thread) because they might possibly lose a few days a year in skill training from CCP dumping training skills. I may just go dig up some of the exceptionally funny quotes if I get bored enough today and post them for our enjoyment. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
CompleteFailure DAWGS Corp. Phoebe Freeport Republic 237	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:16:12 - [57] - Quote Absolutely no point. When they removed the learning skills from the game, they also adjusted training times so that every player trained every skill at the same rate they would have if they had the learning skills all trained to 5. We definitely got the better deal when they were removed.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1176	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:22:21 - [58] - Quote CompleteFailure wrote: Absolutely no point. When they removed the learning skills from the game, they also adjusted training times so that every player trained every skill at the same rate they would have if they had the learning skills all trained to 5. We definitely got the better deal when they were removed. I just have to.... YOU ARE A COMPLETEFAILURE!!! Sheesh... now I feel better! *snickers xD This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Glathull Warlock Assassins 1009	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:26:14 - [59] - Quote Bubonic Plague: time to bring it back? Discuss . . . . I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 109	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:03:21 - [60] - Quote At some point i thought they could be returned back to the game as collectable items but without any kind of usage.

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