Remind me again why I would want to fly a ship that, compared to the Ishtar, has less than half the range, half the DPS, a third of the tracking, doesn't choose damage type, needs to use cap and fittings to fire its guns, and moves at half the speed with over triple the sig radius with MWD on. Oh and it can't track or do **** to anything that gets in under 20km, even cruisers, while the Ishtar's heavy drones have no trouble blapping even close-orbit interceptors in about three seconds.

More laser ships need double optimal bonuses. It would give the drone **** an actual counter, as you're certainly not going to get anywhere shooting kin/therm railguns at Ishtars.

That only proves that the Ishtar is broken as hell, not that the absolution needs it's bonus changed. Why would I fly a X inseatd of an Ishtar apply to so many ships it not even funny anymore.

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I want to hear more about this Ishtar of yours that gets 1700 dps.

So explain to me again why it shouldnt be able to fill as many roles as the other turret CS.

I do not know what you mean. The Absolution beats the Sleipnir as long range platform on the durability and damage applied (ask INIT), it beats the Claymore and Nighthawk in close range combat. It can't be compared to the 2 drone boats because of dronesGäó unless you want to give it the same drone stats they have. And the Vulture has similar tank but not the same DPS. It is excellent in medium fleet fights but it requires a proper fleet to function well. It is not (necessarily) meant as a solo boat unlike the Sleipnir and that's fine.

That's the cool thing about the forums. We all have opinions

I personally dislike propping up a fit w/ a cap booster. It wastes a candy slot and they take a good deal of grid - limiting other fitting options. I know... I know, so many guys need a cap booster on practically every fit. Me - I don't like them and rarely use them. To each his own.

As to low sec and null sec current metas - I don't really think we should adapt a ships attributes to compliment or conform to current metas. That's kind of a backwards way of looking at things.

I'd rather see the meta move to a brawling short range explosion-fest, but prying the ranged kitey crap out of a null skull is a fatal procedure in most cases. Let's not make absolution beam kiting a thing (a little part of me would die if that came to pass).

So you want a range bonus on the abso and are prepared to defend it to the death. Everyone else (so far) thinks it's fine as is.

If you start taking all the 'wasted' cap usage bonus' away from amarr ships and start giving them damage/range/ROF bonus, we'll eventally remember how OP lasers used to be. A pulse raven was pretty badass at one time. I'd rather not go back to that.

I think you're missing some of what a pulse abso is. You put a small gang of them together and the have decent damage projection. It's not ideal swapping to long range crystals, but they do reach out and touch your targets. The unspoken truth is that if your opponent should choose to come in to zero, then the abso gang swaps to multi/conflag and melts face. It seems like you want it both ways - devastating pulse damage at both short and long range. Or are you looking for a beam abso platform?

You really haven't said what you want in specific terms. That would be helpful. EX: I want a pulse abso that can do X damage out to X range. Fill in the Xs. Or I want a beam abso that.... (barf.... cough.... gack)

I'll stand on my original statement - the abso rocks as is. Feel free to take it inside of 10km, apply web/scram and melt anything you like into space junk. It will work every single time.

Why not roll the cap bonus in with the RoF bonus. So something like this:

Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):

10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret Optimal Range


Amarr Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):

5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire and 10% Medium energy Turret activation cost
4% bonus to all armor resistances

I understand that the cap bonus allows you to use higher damage crystals w/o as severe of a penalty.. but if you can only use scorch out to 20km, or conflag out to 8km, its not really worth it. I don't see using less cap and shooting farther as anything overly OP. A few neuts will still make a sad absolution.

Why not roll the cap bonus in with the RoF bonus. So something like this:

Command Ships bonuses (per skill level):

10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage
10% bonus to Medium Energy Turret Optimal Range


Amarr Battlecruiser bonuses (per skill level):

5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret rate of fire and 10% Medium energy Turret activation cost
4% bonus to all armor resistances

I understand that the cap bonus allows you to use higher damage crystals w/o as severe of a penalty.. but if you can only use scorch out to 20km, or conflag out to 8km, its not really worth it. I don't see using less cap and shooting farther as anything overly OP. A few neuts will still make a sad absolution.

I do not know what you mean. The Absolution beats the Sleipnir as long range platform on the durability and damage applied (ask INIT), it beats the Claymore and Nighthawk in close range combat. It can't be compared to the 2 drone boats because of dronesGäó unless you want to give it the same drone stats they have. And the Vulture has similar tank but not the same DPS. It is excellent in medium fleet fights but it requires a proper fleet to function well. It is not (necessarily) meant as a solo boat unlike the Sleipnir and that's fine.