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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1146
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:43:26 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:When I started I realized mining was not good income but at the same time there is a lot of reading and research to be done when you start, better to chew rocks while reading and figuring out what the hell is going on instead of being docked. It's quite difficult to read and run missions or explore while it is not difficult to read and mine.
That being said being even partially AFK is a good way to get yourself blown up.
Quoting this in hopes I can some day use it against you.
:p
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
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Paranoid Loyd
4613
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:48:19 -
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I look forward to the day you do as I am not sure how it would be possible.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1146
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:51:13 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:I look forward to the day you do as I am not sure how it would be possible.
Me too ...
... and me neither ...
... but who knows! :)
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1520
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Posted - 2015.04.09 16:57:24 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:When I started I realized mining was not good income but at the same time there is a lot of reading and research to be done when you start, better to chew rocks while reading and figuring out what the hell is going on instead of being docked. It's quite difficult to read and run missions or explore while it is not difficult to read and mine.
I devoured much of the superlative EVE University wiki that way, while sitting in a Navitas next to a big rock and a jet can.
It might not be ~optimal~, but it served me well enough. The point at which I master a system is the point at which I lose interest in it.
Paranoid Loyd wrote:That being said being even partially AFK is a good way to get yourself blown up.
Being in space is a good way to get yourself blown up. It's not so bad.
Besides, I was often in belts with baiters and gankers, and they didn't bother with the little newbie in the free little failfit ship, nibbling away at a distant rock. There were always more interesting targets.
Ventures seem to be a (mildly) more attractive target.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
I voted in CSM X!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1256
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Posted - 2015.04.09 18:16:54 -
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As someone who has mined everywhere and everything:
Go and do security missions (with the diplomacy skills)
At least they give you some combat skills as you progress.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow
Fozzie is treating a symptom.
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Whittorical Quandary
40
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Posted - 2015.04.09 18:31:55 -
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Higher level missions, and especially pi (planetary interaction) will get a good profit.
pi can be confusing to setup at first but once you get it up and running you don't have to manage a whole lot, and it's great as a supplemental income, to say the least.
Start off with a tutorial:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/NPTS_-_Planetary_Interaction
(you can google for other tutorials on pi as well)
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you never know if they are genuine."
GÇö Abraham Lincoln
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Zephraim Cockring
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.04.09 20:47:26 -
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Ninja loot. Scan down lev 4 mission runners, nab loot and salvage. Fast, fun, profitable. google is your friend, you can find tons of fits and tips. as a bonus, if the missioner shoots at you you've got a good chance of taking them out, if you play your cards right. this playstyle is super fun, has a low bar for entry, and is pure profit without having to invest in expensive ships, grinding for loyalty or shooting rocks.
see here
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1181
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Posted - 2015.04.09 21:00:12 -
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Zephraim Cockring wrote:Ninja loot. Scan down lev 4 mission runners, nab loot and salvage. Fast, fun, profitable. google is your friend, you can find tons of fits and tips. as a bonus, if the missioner shoots at you you've got a good chance of taking them out, if you play your cards right. this playstyle is super fun, has a low bar for entry, and is pure profit without having to invest in expensive ships, grinding for loyalty or shooting rocks. see here http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html
Wow, how they let you getvaway with that name .........
Got nothing against it... seriously... just a bit baffled.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
45315
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Posted - 2015.04.09 21:29:59 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Zephraim Cockring wrote:Ninja loot. Scan down lev 4 mission runners, nab loot and salvage. Fast, fun, profitable. google is your friend, you can find tons of fits and tips. as a bonus, if the missioner shoots at you you've got a good chance of taking them out, if you play your cards right. this playstyle is super fun, has a low bar for entry, and is pure profit without having to invest in expensive ships, grinding for loyalty or shooting rocks. see here http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html Wow, how they let you getvaway with that name ......... Got nothing against it... seriously... just a bit baffled.
Because, most names are only removed on report. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1183
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Posted - 2015.04.09 21:34:53 -
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That's true. I forgot.
It's the reason why AC "lost" his name after seven years.
Haters.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
457
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Posted - 2015.04.09 21:51:37 -
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Moved to EVE New Citizens Q&A.
ISD Decoy
Commander
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
471
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Posted - 2015.04.09 22:19:56 -
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Payne Saissore wrote:I am fairly new, only been playing a few weeks total. I was wondering what are some good ways to make isk at lower levels?
There are no levels in this game only skill points. Due to that fact what ever makes isk at higher skill points in most cases makes isk at lower skill points only the skill points help you do if faster and easier.
Missions can be a good way to get your feet wet as they will teach you some basics about ship piloting and applying and avoiding damage. You most likely will make more isk running level 3s than running level 4's until you can fly a T2 fit battle ship pretty well. The isk in missions is in the LP so run them fast and pick your corp well.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
471
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Posted - 2015.04.09 22:25:35 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote: there isn't any holy grail for new players.
Notice how he says new player here not new character. I think it is important to point out that your understanding of the game and not your character's skill points are the biggest factor holding you back if not the only factor.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
471
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Posted - 2015.04.09 22:53:21 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:
Except that you don't learn much by mining,because you're mining.
Theory should be learned while being unable to play.
Practise > Theory.
It's literally the worst thing new players can do.
Unless what you want to do is mine then it's the best thing a new player could do. It's only the worst thing to do if you don't enjoy it and are only doing it to earn isk to do what you enjoy. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
471
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Posted - 2015.04.09 23:01:03 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:
Except that it's a fact anyone can realise just by thinking about it.
Mining is the worst thing a new player can do.
There is nothing to learn while mining,
there is no interaction involved,
it makes the least amount of ISK and fun/hr,
one gets easily tempted to do something else (so why even play?) and ...
... sheesh, that's enough already.
Aside from the low isk nothing else that you say here is inherently true about mining and could be true about any activity depending on how you are doing it and what you have fun doing.
If you had ever been involved in large mining fleets that are extreemely effective you would know that there is far more interaction mining than anything else that I have done in game. There is also a certain amount of skill in doing it well and what you learn is how to mine effectively in a large fleet.
Yes if you solo mine while watching TV and don't care about isk per hour and just warp to station when your ore hold if full then yes mining can be boring. The same could be said about ratting or missions or anoms or anything else.
OP make friends and do what you like in fleet and it will be fun. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
471
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Posted - 2015.04.09 23:05:15 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:
Wow, how they let you getvaway with that name .........
Got nothing against it... seriously... just a bit baffled.
This is eve not WoW. I'm pretty sure that unless you have a name with some racist implications you are fine.
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GordonO
Evil Guinea Pigs
107
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Posted - 2015.04.09 23:45:41 -
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The quickest way for a new player to make isk in hs is to tag along on lvl 4 missions and take the loot/salvage. Mining with one toon is never going to get you far.
My advice is join a new player friendly corp, eve is hard solo.
EVGP Is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=412227
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
35716
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Posted - 2015.04.10 00:18:30 -
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You might find this useful:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/1sar24/brave_isk_making_ideas/
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
1023
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Posted - 2015.04.10 02:47:34 -
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I liked missions when I started. zonk some lv1s with a destroyer, move up to a cruiser and lv 2s, then a BC and lv 3s, and then a BS in lv4s. The pay kinda sucks till you hit 3s, but standings go up rather quickly. With connections lv 3 you only need to run one mission to have enough standings to access level 2s so that helps, since you seem to have some experience and isk might be easier to just jump in there.
then I got bored went to lowsec and lived the pirate life for a few years.
are there better ways, well yea probably, but at least some of that depends on how you define better.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Leannor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2015.04.10 07:57:17 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Leannor wrote:Lan Wang wrote:mining is the worst thing you can do in this game, try following the missions, security missions are ok and will provide you with ships and isk, or you could throw -ú10 and buy a plex that will give you 800mil to play with.
battelships i would forget about till you get some experience, that experience wont come from mining :)
missions pay well but you need the higher missions lvl'4 etc, unfortunately you have to go through lvl 1's etc first that's your opinion. not everyone will share it. Except that it's a fact anyone can realise just by thinking about it. Mining is the worst thing a new player can do. There is nothing to learn while mining, there is no interaction involved, it makes the least amount of ISK and fun/hr, one gets easily tempted to do something else (so why even play?) and ... ... sheesh, that's enough already.
[edit, someone else said it tonnes better, read up.]
"Lykouleon wrote:
STOP
TOUCHING
ICONIC
SHIP
PARTS"
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
564
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Posted - 2015.04.10 08:19:25 -
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What people have been sort of talking circles around is that the answer to your question IS somewhat defined, it just depends on what you generally enjoy doing.
If you're in the game for the PVP, the way to make money is pretty much FW as a new player.
If you enjoy scanning more than the other starter stuff, rolling into Low-sec relic sites and sometimes data sites is about the optimum isk return on effort for someone in their first few months.
If what you're interested in is the industrial simulations, you'll want to find a few T1 blueprints that you can produce at a small but reliable margin, most likely some form of ammunition, while you mess around learning, training, and coming up with something more complicated and clever.
If you're in the game because no one would ever willingly hang out with you socially in real life and you're so boring you can't even stand your own company for more than a minute or two without falling asleep, roll with mining for your new-player isk.
So... yeah, there's your answer-space, work out your vector on what you want to spend your time on and roll out from there. And always remember: isk only have value in your imagination, your _time_ has actual real value in real life. If you're making isk hand over fist doing something you don't enjoy, you are running a financial LOSS. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
4966
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Posted - 2015.04.10 11:18:19 -
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Here's a guide to planetary interaction that I recently paid someone to write (with the goal of lowering the price of Robotics to benefit my alliance; but don't worry, they are still plenty profitable to make):
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=415269&find=unread
It requires a few skills, but none at high levels. You can realistically start doing it in two days and it will earn you ISK over time while you aren't logged in.
I advise against seeing a battleship as 'the best ship type'. They aren't. Like a circular saw, they are a tool that is very very good at doing some things, and downright terrible at doing others. I own one battleship at the moment (although I could afford to buy a couple hundred battleships if I desired to), yet I have dozens of tech 2 frigates.
I spend a lot more time in a 25 million ISK Taranis (including fit) than I do in my 2.2 billion ISK Kronos, and if I didn't have the skills to fly that Taranis, a 2 million ISK Atron would achieve the same goals.
Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out.
I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
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Leannor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2015.04.10 13:34:55 -
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Lost Greybeard wrote:What people have been sort of talking circles around is that the answer to your question IS somewhat defined, it just depends on what you generally enjoy doing.
If you're in the game for the PVP, the way to make money is pretty much FW as a new player.
If you enjoy scanning more than the other starter stuff, rolling into Low-sec relic sites and sometimes data sites is about the optimum isk return on effort for someone in their first few months.
If what you're interested in is the industrial simulations, you'll want to find a few T1 blueprints that you can produce at a small but reliable margin, most likely some form of ammunition, while you mess around learning, training, and coming up with something more complicated and clever.
If you're in the game because no one would ever willingly hang out with you socially in real life and you're so boring you can't even stand your own company for more than a minute or two without falling asleep, roll with mining for your new-player isk.
So... yeah, there's your answer-space, work out your vector on what you want to spend your time on and roll out from there. And always remember: isk only have value in your imagination, your _time_ has actual real value in real life. If you're making isk hand over fist doing something you don't enjoy, you are running a financial LOSS.
lol you forgot to be insulting about the other traits commong with other activities, like ego's and such. Oh, what? Not everyones like that? ... yeah, same with mining, funnyily enough. :)
"Lykouleon wrote:
STOP
TOUCHING
ICONIC
SHIP
PARTS"
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Null Infinity
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2015.04.10 13:47:34 -
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Being newbee myself I know how it feels. ;) Mining is ok, if it is combined with exploration. Find a wormhole, jump in. Warp to the anomaly and start mining Crokite or what gives you best isk/m3 ratio. You find all kind of ORE there. First 15 minutes you will not be bothered with NPC. Four trips in Venture = you have 8 milions per hour even as low skll newbee.
Guru here will try to get you into PvP aka factional warfare, but it is crap without proper team.
New mining menthods: interactive mining
and comet mining
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