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Payne Saissore The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:17:28 - [1] - Quote I am fairly new, only been playing a few weeks total. I was wondering what are some good ways to make isk at lower levels? I have been mining for a week now in a venture and I was saving up for a better mining ship to hopefully fund exploring eve and maybe someday flying a battleship (right now I just have a single destroyer I think) but I looked at the prices of some of the mining ships and they are 20-30 million and I spent the last week making 14 million total... that's a bit discouraging. So I figured I would ask here? I have hear missions can maybe be a good way of making money but so far the missions only give like 50k isk... how does anyone make money running missions? I am also nervous to do mining because someone was telling me that mining ships are always targeted in high sec... I am trying to get my spouse into eve also and it's sorta working but she wants to fly a big battleship lol and I was going to buy her one but holy crap it's hard to make money haha any advice?
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 313	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:20:01 - [2] - Quote mining is the worst thing you can do in this game, try following the missions, security missions are ok and will provide you with ships and isk, or you could throw -ú10 and buy a plex that will give you 800mil to play with. battelships i would forget about till you get some experience, that experience wont come from mining :) EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Paranoid Loyd 4608	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:23:28 - [3] - Quote Exploring is a good place to start. If you continue to mine, just use a procurer and you should be ok, the yield will be lower but you are less likely to be ganked. This should give you some other ideas. I recommend considering faction warfare as well, you can make pretty good isk and get your feet wet in PVP. Don't worry about losing ships, it's part of the game. Post questions you have here instead of GD, it gets a little crazy in here sometimes. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Samsara Toldya Academy of Contradictory Behaviour 283	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:25:31 - [4] - Quote Find something you enjoy doing, enjoy spending your time in EVE. ISK will come and go but you'll go and never come back if you are only grinding for ISK without having fun. You can always spend 20$ for a PLEX and sell it for 800M ISK, that should be more then enough ISK to find your way without putting yourself into pressure. A rookie friendly corporation can be a great help, too.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1115	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:25:35 - [5] - Quote Work for people. For example... hire up as a scout to find targets to gank. Scoop the loot for the ganker. Alternatively... find a gate ganker, settle down 200km from him and wait until he pops something. Warp to the wreck, open, initiate warp-off, LOOT ALL, richness. Way better than mining or running missions, in literally every single way. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 313	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:26:20 - [6] - Quote faction warfare is great fun too :) i guess it depends what you really want to do in the game, do you want to be a miner or do you want to shoot other people? EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 21043	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:26:21 - [7] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=256067 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zExAWUEYV30 http://www.toptiertactics.com/21341/eve-online-exploration-guide-billions-and-billions-of-isk/#axzz3WpHNXpR4 https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Making_ISK http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/guides/business/easy-isk *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Payne Saissore The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:31:14 - [8] - Quote Is there anyway I can move my post to that category? and I was thinking of doing a plex but I have to convince the wifey lol she has a tough enough time with paying 15 a month on a subscription lol so security missions would maybe be the best?
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1120	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:33:26 - [9] - Quote Payne Saissore wrote: Is there anyway I can move my post to that category? and I was thinking of doing a plex but I have to convince the wifey lol she has a tough enough time with paying 15 a month on a subscription lol so security missions would maybe be the best? Is it your money or hers? Who goes to work? Click the flag, ask nicely to have your post moved to the new players QA and greet them from me please. Just add "Sol said Hi!" :) This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 313	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:33:45 - [10] - Quote Payne Saissore wrote: Is there anyway I can move my post to that category? and I was thinking of doing a plex but I have to convince the wifey lol she has a tough enough time with paying 15 a month on a subscription lol so security missions would maybe be the best? yeah i would say so to get you some basic ship flying experience then move to faction warfare (if your interested in pvp) EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Payne Saissore The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:36:22 - [11] - Quote We both work a ton lol but she does all our accounting (she is going to school for that) and could you explain faction wars? how is it different from normal pvp and like null sec fighting?
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 313	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:40:40 - [12] - Quote Payne Saissore wrote: We both work a ton lol but she does all our accounting (she is going to school for that) and could you explain faction wars? how is it different from normal pvp and like null sec fighting? faction warfare is a bit like domination in call of duty, capture the points to eventually takeover a part of space, they fly mostly t1 cheap frigs, you still have a limited amount of protection in faction warfare from gateguns etc, nullsec you dont and nullsec has really big ships bigger than battleships EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1120	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:44:39 - [13] - Quote Payne Saissore wrote: We both work a ton lol but she does all our accounting (she is going to school for that) and could you explain faction wars? how is it different from normal pvp and like null sec fighting? There is no "normal". PvP is PvP. Combat is combat. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Payne Saissore The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:46:54 - [14] - Quote what are buy orders? I was reading something that said to try and get those?
2Sonas1Cup 64	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:48:55 - [15] - Quote Unfortunately you either need game mechanics skills which you obviously don't have since you are new, or time and patience to grind while learning by yourself. Said so no matter what anyone will tell you there isn't any holy grail for new players. The only thing you can do other than grinding missions or mining which use very basic mechanics and anyone can do it, is join a noob friendly corp with people willing to teach you more advanced game mechanics which you can use to make more money in different areas of the game.
Celeste Benal Heavy Metal Incorporated 44	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:49:06 - [16] - Quote It is true you can make good money running missions. But you need to grind standings with an NPC corp so you can get level 4 mission agents available. The pay and LP are much better. Loyalty Points (LP) is where the money is at for missions. Finish mission, get LP. Buy stuff in the Loyalty store. Sell stuff on the market for isk. Learning Implants and faction ammo are always in demand. (No guarantee they are a good LP-to-isk conversion though.) What you do in Eve really depends on your mindset, what you wish to achieve, and how much time you have. I assure you that no matter what you want to do in Eve, there are other players somewhere with similar wants and requirements. You've taken the correct first step simply by asking around. I cannot recommend strongly enough that you join a player corporation. Associate with other players and have fun. Eve is so much better when played with friends. If you are so inclined, you and your wife can even form your own corporation and recruit others. Just be careful about giving out hanger access roles to strangers. Theft is allowed in this game. For new players, salvaging is actually pretty good isk and can be done easily enough in a tech 1 destroyer. But that depends on someone making wrecks for you to salvage. Security missions are good for making wrecks. One of you can do the pew-pew while the other hoovers up wrecks in a salvage destroyer. There is even a specialty salvage ship, the Noctis. You also mentioned exploration. Exploration requires relatively little SP or isk investment and can bring in good isk as well. But it tends to be hit or miss depending on what sites you find. You mentioned you can mine in a Venture. If you are willing to accept more risk, you can train Gas Mining and some scanning skills, find a wormhole, and take quick trips inside to mine Fullerene gas clouds. 15 minutes sucking on one of those will give even a new player with minimum skills several million isk in gas. Even if you lose your ship once ever ten trips, you will easily pay for everything many times over. Fair warning, w-space is similar to nulsec in that there are no rules. Everything goes. Local chat is on delayed mode as well, meaning no one will show up unless they start chatting in local. You can be a ship builder, a miner, an explorer, a market tycoon, a scientist, a leader, pretty much anything you can imagine.
SKINE DMZ Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 484	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:52:54 - [17] - Quote I started with mining, it was pretty boring but it made me my first 100m and it wasn't that bad as I was reading more stuff than actually playing. Then I moved a little bit over to missioning, made some small ISK but wasn't too enjoyable for me. Then I decided to go daytripping with my missioning Drake in c1/c2 wormholes. Made some ISK(considerably more than mining/missioning), exploded couple of times, good fun. Nowadays I don't do much for ISK, frigates are pretty cheap. FW is fun, and I would probably join that for both fun and money if I had to start over again. I disagree
Leannor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 154	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:57:12 - [18] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: mining is the worst thing you can do in this game, try following the missions, security missions are ok and will provide you with ships and isk, or you could throw -ú10 and buy a plex that will give you 800mil to play with. battelships i would forget about till you get some experience, that experience wont come from mining :) missions pay well but you need the higher missions lvl'4 etc, unfortunately you have to go through lvl 1's etc first that's your opinion. not everyone will share it. However, OP should be aware that there are things that can be done in the game that are very different, more risky, more rewarding, and more requiring of attention and skill in varying levels (ingame and out of game). Don't be tempted to throw cash at the game though. that's a slippery rd, especially at this point. Earn your money, know how to get it without throwing cash at the game, and you'll not only feel good when you've got it, you'll want to keep it more, which will raise the stakes when you go into combat. The adrenaline rush of battle when you appreciate how much something is worth 'to you' is great in this game. "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Celeste Benal Heavy Metal Incorporated 44	Posted - 2015.04.09 15:59:05 - [19] - Quote If you are more industrial-minded, you can also try Planetary Interaction (PI for short). Its mostly easy passive income. All you need is a tech 1 industrial ship and some easy-to-train skills. The link above is to Eve University's wiki. Its a great resource for new players. You may want to consider joining them.
Payne Saissore The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:00:44 - [20] - Quote How do I get to the loyalty point store? and this is making me way more interested and excited to play haha (ugh work in 2 hours nuuuuu!)
Celeste Benal Heavy Metal Incorporated 44	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:11:08 - [21] - Quote Payne Saissore wrote: How do I get to the loyalty point store? and this is making me way more interested and excited to play haha (ugh work in 2 hours nuuuuu!) Every NPC station has one. Its part of the station services panel on the right. Above the tab-lists and below the station owner box is the station services panel. Hover over each one to learn what it is. (I think its the top left button amongst all those buttons.) That button will show you what that NPC corporation has available in it's LP store.
Lupe Meza Hedion University Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:11:52 - [22] - Quote Payne Saissore wrote: I am fairly new, only been playing a few weeks total. I was wondering what are some good ways to make isk at lower levels? I have been mining for a week now in a venture and I was saving up for a better mining ship to hopefully fund exploring eve and maybe someday flying a battleship (right now I just have a single destroyer I think) but I looked at the prices of some of the mining ships and they are 20-30 million and I spent the last week making 14 million total... that's a bit discouraging. So I figured I would ask here? I have hear missions can maybe be a good way of making money but so far the missions only give like 50k isk... how does anyone make money running missions? I am also nervous to do mining because someone was telling me that mining ships are always targeted in high sec... I am trying to get my spouse into eve also and it's sorta working but she wants to fly a big battleship lol and I was going to buy her one but holy crap it's hard to make money haha any advice? Mining is pretty bad at low levels and while some may enjoy the profession it may not quite be for you. I would recommend either working your way up to level 3 security missions in a decently skilled BC hull, exploration, joining a good newbie friendly FW corporation if you like PVP, or plain lowsec and nullsec ratting. Out of those only the missioning and ratting will give you a guaranteed return on your time investment as far as isk making is concerned. Exploration is very luck based and your success in PVP will come down to individual and/or fleet skill. If you lose more than you make in PVP it becomes more of a sink than an income stream. You could always become a farmer though and just try to get as much isk as possible with as little risk as possible as well. Crime and punishment might have some recommendations on shadier income streams.
Hendrick Kion Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:15:07 - [23] - Quote Mining isn't the worst thing you can do as a noob. I made plenty of ISK in my early days (first six months or so) by mining. It's a great way to make some ISK while you learn the game and start to decide where you want to be, what direction you want to take your skills, etc. Some station trading probably wouldn't be a bad idea either, though I'd work on getting 100 mil or so bankroll b4 doing to much with that. Both are easy, relatively low skill requirement opportunities.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 82	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:16:59 - [24] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Alternatively... find a gate ganker, settle down 200km from him and wait until he pops something. Warp to the wreck, open, initiate warp-off, LOOT ALL, richness. Flying thru low sec i encountered someone's cruiser wreck near the gate in the incursion system. There were sansha NPCs around but i looted 230 M ISK worth loot from the wreck. With a rookie frigate. http://issuu.com/gregory45/docs/roles role icons for new corporation window
Chuka Elarik The Obsidian Core TCC. 0	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:21:43 - [25] - Quote LP farm in FW. You don't need to know how to PVP but it will teach you the basics of using the D-Scan to avoid being destroyed. Just be aware that some players will blow you up if they think you're an LP farmer even if they are in your faction. Fly a venture, unlikely that they'll be able to point on you.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1145	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:26:45 - [26] - Quote Nana Skalski wrote: Eve Solecist wrote: Alternatively... find a gate ganker, settle down 200km from him and wait until he pops something. Warp to the wreck, open, initiate warp-off, LOOT ALL, richness. Flying thru low sec i encountered someone's cruiser wreck near the gate in the incursion system. There were sansha NPCs around but i looted 230 M ISK worth loot from the wreck. With a rookie frigate. Lucky, pale goddess.... ... we should meet sometimes...... ;) This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Doji Okakura 287	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:27:17 - [27] - Quote Missions, then exploration once you have skilled up a bit.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1145	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:28:49 - [28] - Quote Hendrick Kion wrote: Mining isn't the worst thing you can do as a noob. I made plenty of ISK in my early days (first six months or so) by mining. It's a great way to make some ISK while you learn the game and start to decide where you want to be, what direction you want to take your skills, etc. Some station trading probably wouldn't be a bad idea either, though I'd work on getting 100 mil or so bankroll b4 doing to much with that. Both are easy, relatively low skill requirement opportunities. Exploration is going to be crap until you have skills that allow you to start running sites in Low and Null. Mission running is good monies... but it takes some time to both skill and grind standings to Level 4s. What worked for me was doing a quick 11 day or so skill train into a procurer and then just mine until my PVE ratting/ mission running skills were solid enough to go make ISK that way. And I recommend a well tanked procurer, not a retriever. #dontbeeasygank Except that you don't learn much by mining,because you're mining. Theory should be learned while being unable to play. Practise > Theory. It's literally the worst thing new players can do. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1145	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:33:02 - [29] - Quote Leannor wrote: Lan Wang wrote: mining is the worst thing you can do in this game, try following the missions, security missions are ok and will provide you with ships and isk, or you could throw -ú10 and buy a plex that will give you 800mil to play with. battelships i would forget about till you get some experience, that experience wont come from mining :) missions pay well but you need the higher missions lvl'4 etc, unfortunately you have to go through lvl 1's etc first that's your opinion. not everyone will share it. Except that it's a fact anyone can realise just by thinking about it. Mining is the worst thing a new player can do. There is nothing to learn while mining, there is no interaction involved, it makes the least amount of ISK and fun/hr, one gets easily tempted to do something else (so why even play?) and ... ... sheesh, that's enough already. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Paranoid Loyd 4608	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:35:02 - [30] - Quote When I started I realized mining was not good income but at the same time there is a lot of reading and research to be done when you start, better to chew rocks while reading and figuring out what the hell is going on instead of being docked. It's quite difficult to read and run missions or explore while it is not difficult to read and mine. That being said being even partially AFK is a good way to get yourself blown up. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1146	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:43:26 - [31] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: When I started I realized mining was not good income but at the same time there is a lot of reading and research to be done when you start, better to chew rocks while reading and figuring out what the hell is going on instead of being docked. It's quite difficult to read and run missions or explore while it is not difficult to read and mine. That being said being even partially AFK is a good way to get yourself blown up. Quoting this in hopes I can some day use it against you. :p This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Paranoid Loyd 4613	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:48:19 - [32] - Quote I look forward to the day you do as I am not sure how it would be possible. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1146	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:51:13 - [33] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: I look forward to the day you do as I am not sure how it would be possible. Me too ... ... and me neither ... ... but who knows! :) This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Dersen Lowery Drinking in Station 1520	Posted - 2015.04.09 16:57:24 - [34] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: When I started I realized mining was not good income but at the same time there is a lot of reading and research to be done when you start, better to chew rocks while reading and figuring out what the hell is going on instead of being docked. It's quite difficult to read and run missions or explore while it is not difficult to read and mine. I devoured much of the superlative EVE University wiki that way, while sitting in a Navitas next to a big rock and a jet can. It might not be ~optimal~, but it served me well enough. The point at which I master a system is the point at which I lose interest in it. Paranoid Loyd wrote: That being said being even partially AFK is a good way to get yourself blown up. Being in space is a good way to get yourself blown up. It's not so bad. Besides, I was often in belts with baiters and gankers, and they didn't bother with the little newbie in the free little failfit ship, nibbling away at a distant rock. There were always more interesting targets. Ventures seem to be a (mildly) more attractive target. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. I voted in CSM X!
Jenshae Chiroptera 1256	Posted - 2015.04.09 18:16:54 - [35] - Quote As someone who has mined everywhere and everything: Go and do security missions (with the diplomacy skills) At least they give you some combat skills as you progress. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Whittorical Quandary 40	Posted - 2015.04.09 18:31:55 - [36] - Quote Higher level missions, and especially pi (planetary interaction) will get a good profit. pi can be confusing to setup at first but once you get it up and running you don't have to manage a whole lot, and it's great as a supplemental income, to say the least. Start off with a tutorial: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/NPTS_-_Planetary_Interaction (you can google for other tutorials on pi as well) "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you never know if they are genuine." GÇö Abraham Lincoln
Zephraim Cockring Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2015.04.09 20:47:26 - [37] - Quote Ninja loot. Scan down lev 4 mission runners, nab loot and salvage. Fast, fun, profitable. google is your friend, you can find tons of fits and tips. as a bonus, if the missioner shoots at you you've got a good chance of taking them out, if you play your cards right. this playstyle is super fun, has a low bar for entry, and is pure profit without having to invest in expensive ships, grinding for loyalty or shooting rocks. see here http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1181	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:00:12 - [38] - Quote Zephraim Cockring wrote: Ninja loot. Scan down lev 4 mission runners, nab loot and salvage. Fast, fun, profitable. google is your friend, you can find tons of fits and tips. as a bonus, if the missioner shoots at you you've got a good chance of taking them out, if you play your cards right. this playstyle is super fun, has a low bar for entry, and is pure profit without having to invest in expensive ships, grinding for loyalty or shooting rocks. see here http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html Wow, how they let you getvaway with that name ......... Got nothing against it... seriously... just a bit baffled. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
Hengle Teron Just Another Corp XIV 45315	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:29:59 - [39] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Zephraim Cockring wrote: Ninja loot. Scan down lev 4 mission runners, nab loot and salvage. Fast, fun, profitable. google is your friend, you can find tons of fits and tips. as a bonus, if the missioner shoots at you you've got a good chance of taking them out, if you play your cards right. this playstyle is super fun, has a low bar for entry, and is pure profit without having to invest in expensive ships, grinding for loyalty or shooting rocks. see here http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html Wow, how they let you getvaway with that name ......... Got nothing against it... seriously... just a bit baffled. Because, most names are only removed on report.
Eve Solecist Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1183	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:34:53 - [40] - Quote That's true. I forgot. It's the reason why AC "lost" his name after seven years. Haters. This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others .... "I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 457	Posted - 2015.04.09 21:51:37 - [41] - Quote Moved to EVE New Citizens Q&A. ISD Decoy Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 471	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:19:56 - [42] - Quote Payne Saissore wrote: I am fairly new, only been playing a few weeks total. I was wondering what are some good ways to make isk at lower levels? There are no levels in this game only skill points. Due to that fact what ever makes isk at higher skill points in most cases makes isk at lower skill points only the skill points help you do if faster and easier. Missions can be a good way to get your feet wet as they will teach you some basics about ship piloting and applying and avoiding damage. You most likely will make more isk running level 3s than running level 4's until you can fly a T2 fit battle ship pretty well. The isk in missions is in the LP so run them fast and pick your corp well.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 471	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:25:35 - [43] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: there isn't any holy grail for new players. Notice how he says new player here not new character. I think it is important to point out that your understanding of the game and not your character's skill points are the biggest factor holding you back if not the only factor.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 471	Posted - 2015.04.09 22:53:21 - [44] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Except that you don't learn much by mining,because you're mining. Theory should be learned while being unable to play. Practise > Theory. It's literally the worst thing new players can do. Unless what you want to do is mine then it's the best thing a new player could do. It's only the worst thing to do if you don't enjoy it and are only doing it to earn isk to do what you enjoy.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 471	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:01:03 - [45] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Except that it's a fact anyone can realise just by thinking about it. Mining is the worst thing a new player can do. There is nothing to learn while mining, there is no interaction involved, it makes the least amount of ISK and fun/hr, one gets easily tempted to do something else (so why even play?) and ... ... sheesh, that's enough already. Aside from the low isk nothing else that you say here is inherently true about mining and could be true about any activity depending on how you are doing it and what you have fun doing. If you had ever been involved in large mining fleets that are extreemely effective you would know that there is far more interaction mining than anything else that I have done in game. There is also a certain amount of skill in doing it well and what you learn is how to mine effectively in a large fleet. Yes if you solo mine while watching TV and don't care about isk per hour and just warp to station when your ore hold if full then yes mining can be boring. The same could be said about ratting or missions or anoms or anything else. OP make friends and do what you like in fleet and it will be fun.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 471	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:05:15 - [46] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Wow, how they let you getvaway with that name ......... Got nothing against it... seriously... just a bit baffled. This is eve not WoW. I'm pretty sure that unless you have a name with some racist implications you are fine.
GordonO Evil Guinea Pigs 107	Posted - 2015.04.09 23:45:41 - [47] - Quote The quickest way for a new player to make isk in hs is to tag along on lvl 4 missions and take the loot/salvage. Mining with one toon is never going to get you far. My advice is join a new player friendly corp, eve is hard solo. EVGP Is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=412227
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 35716	Posted - 2015.04.10 00:18:30 - [48] - Quote You might find this useful: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/1sar24/brave_isk_making_ideas/ Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1023	Posted - 2015.04.10 02:47:34 - [49] - Quote I liked missions when I started. zonk some lv1s with a destroyer, move up to a cruiser and lv 2s, then a BC and lv 3s, and then a BS in lv4s. The pay kinda sucks till you hit 3s, but standings go up rather quickly. With connections lv 3 you only need to run one mission to have enough standings to access level 2s so that helps, since you seem to have some experience and isk might be easier to just jump in there. then I got bored went to lowsec and lived the pirate life for a few years. are there better ways, well yea probably, but at least some of that depends on how you define better. @ChainsawPlankto
Leannor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 154	Posted - 2015.04.10 07:57:17 - [50] - Quote Eve Solecist wrote: Leannor wrote: Lan Wang wrote: mining is the worst thing you can do in this game, try following the missions, security missions are ok and will provide you with ships and isk, or you could throw -ú10 and buy a plex that will give you 800mil to play with. battelships i would forget about till you get some experience, that experience wont come from mining :) missions pay well but you need the higher missions lvl'4 etc, unfortunately you have to go through lvl 1's etc first that's your opinion. not everyone will share it. Except that it's a fact anyone can realise just by thinking about it. Mining is the worst thing a new player can do. There is nothing to learn while mining, there is no interaction involved, it makes the least amount of ISK and fun/hr, one gets easily tempted to do something else (so why even play?) and ... ... sheesh, that's enough already. [edit, someone else said it tonnes better, read up.] "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 564	Posted - 2015.04.10 08:19:25 - [51] - Quote What people have been sort of talking circles around is that the answer to your question IS somewhat defined, it just depends on what you generally enjoy doing. If you're in the game for the PVP, the way to make money is pretty much FW as a new player. If you enjoy scanning more than the other starter stuff, rolling into Low-sec relic sites and sometimes data sites is about the optimum isk return on effort for someone in their first few months. If what you're interested in is the industrial simulations, you'll want to find a few T1 blueprints that you can produce at a small but reliable margin, most likely some form of ammunition, while you mess around learning, training, and coming up with something more complicated and clever. If you're in the game because no one would ever willingly hang out with you socially in real life and you're so boring you can't even stand your own company for more than a minute or two without falling asleep, roll with mining for your new-player isk. So... yeah, there's your answer-space, work out your vector on what you want to spend your time on and roll out from there. And always remember: isk only have value in your imagination, your _time_ has actual real value in real life. If you're making isk hand over fist doing something you don't enjoy, you are running a financial LOSS.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 4966	Posted - 2015.04.10 11:18:19 - [52] - Quote Here's a guide to planetary interaction that I recently paid someone to write (with the goal of lowering the price of Robotics to benefit my alliance; but don't worry, they are still plenty profitable to make): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=415269&find=unread It requires a few skills, but none at high levels. You can realistically start doing it in two days and it will earn you ISK over time while you aren't logged in. I advise against seeing a battleship as 'the best ship type'. They aren't. Like a circular saw, they are a tool that is very very good at doing some things, and downright terrible at doing others. I own one battleship at the moment (although I could afford to buy a couple hundred battleships if I desired to), yet I have dozens of tech 2 frigates. I spend a lot more time in a 25 million ISK Taranis (including fit) than I do in my 2.2 billion ISK Kronos, and if I didn't have the skills to fly that Taranis, a 2 million ISK Atron would achieve the same goals. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Leannor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 154	Posted - 2015.04.10 13:34:55 - [53] - Quote Lost Greybeard wrote: What people have been sort of talking circles around is that the answer to your question IS somewhat defined, it just depends on what you generally enjoy doing. If you're in the game for the PVP, the way to make money is pretty much FW as a new player. If you enjoy scanning more than the other starter stuff, rolling into Low-sec relic sites and sometimes data sites is about the optimum isk return on effort for someone in their first few months. If what you're interested in is the industrial simulations, you'll want to find a few T1 blueprints that you can produce at a small but reliable margin, most likely some form of ammunition, while you mess around learning, training, and coming up with something more complicated and clever. If you're in the game because no one would ever willingly hang out with you socially in real life and you're so boring you can't even stand your own company for more than a minute or two without falling asleep, roll with mining for your new-player isk. So... yeah, there's your answer-space, work out your vector on what you want to spend your time on and roll out from there. And always remember: isk only have value in your imagination, your _time_ has actual real value in real life. If you're making isk hand over fist doing something you don't enjoy, you are running a financial LOSS. lol you forgot to be insulting about the other traits commong with other activities, like ego's and such. Oh, what? Not everyones like that? ... yeah, same with mining, funnyily enough. :) "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Null Infinity Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2015.04.10 13:47:34 - [54] - Quote Being newbee myself I know how it feels. ;) Mining is ok, if it is combined with exploration. Find a wormhole, jump in. Warp to the anomaly and start mining Crokite or what gives you best isk/m3 ratio. You find all kind of ORE there. First 15 minutes you will not be bothered with NPC. Four trips in Venture = you have 8 milions per hour even as low skll newbee. Guru here will try to get you into PvP aka factional warfare, but it is crap without proper team. New mining menthods: interactive mining and comet mining

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