Originally by: Selenaya

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The biggest problem is CCP can't decide if a player crashed per accident or on purpose... sometimes it may be obvious but still you can't know for sure...

Is there a solution?

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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I think that every tactic allowed by ccp is fair.

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Originally by: Darcuese

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Edited by: Darcuese on 27/10/2006 12:06:00

Originally by: Evil Thug

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I think that every tactic allowed by ccp is fair.

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Maybe...if ppl would see a bit further then their nose.

I guess you are one of those that cant....or dont care

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Elaborate please.

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Originally by: Corey Grim

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EVE aint the nice sadbox that it was 2 years ago, now its more like common multiplayer game where everyone just pursues his own wallet and
K/D ratio, the problem aint only player base the problem is also that CCP has too much in their hands and they have forgotten why EVE is/was good game.

Its like mother (CCP) that has taken 3 jobs and doesnt have time anymore to listen what her child (eve players) has to say.

result: child suffers first, after certain time child says FU and leaves resulting mother to suffer.

(i hope my "not so good english" doesnt prevent ppl understanding what i wrote)

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Originally by: Death Merchant

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I mean who is to say what is right or wrong? For some alliances logging to avoid bubble is wrong. For some alliances its encouraged. I see alot of BoB pilots agreeing with this, but some people might think that BoBs tactics of posting of internal chats and ts spying is just as lame as logging off in bubbles.

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Originally by: c0rn1

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Name me please a fleet of V which logged off? or an incident?

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Originally by: Shyalud

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Those that can't adapt become extinct.

It's a horrible mistake not to learn your enemies tactics and use them against them. The tactic may stink (and it does) but if your enemy is useing it, and taking "the higher road" means you lose with honor means, well, you lose.

As far as the WCS argument...it's stupid. If you don't want people to use WCS then don't use scramblers. It's simply not fair to provide an attack in game that there is no defence for.

Learn how to counter a tactic, not how to ***** about it. If it's a successfull tactic, no amount of public outcry or opinion is going to change it anyway.

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Originally by: Audrea

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Oh and another example I forgot to mention in my previous post:

When you have a fleet battle, and having bships warp out every time they are targeted as primary to prevent giving the opponents kills, that can also be argued as not giving the other side pleasure of victory etc, yet everyone does it.

Is it really so diffrent from loggin off tactics?

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Originally by: Shyalud

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Edited by: Shyalud on 28/10/2006 04:47:39
Edited by: Shyalud on 28/10/2006 04:33:33

Originally by: Ben Derindar

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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz

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The bottom line is: If people CAN use these tactics they WILL use these tactics.

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Check and mate.

/Ben

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That's exctly my point. The only way to deal with it is to use the same tactics against them. Really, honor has nothing to do with it.

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Originally by: Shyalud

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. How would you prove that someone didn't simply crash through no fault of their own?

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Originally by: Shyalud

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Please remember that the emergency warp was created to give people a chance to survive if they ctd in combat. The only way to counter the logger is to remove the emrgency warp.

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Originally by: Shyalud

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I guess my point is: how do you enforce an honor system in an environement that provides anonymity?

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Originally by: Dynast

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You don't get to decide that; CCP does. And CCP treats gate campers and loggers the same.

I don't think much of logging.. but every time I run into a bubble camp like I did this morning in Syndicate, with half a dozen or more T2 ships from a major alliance ganking singletons they know beyond all doubt won't be able to put up a fight, I get a little bit closer. After all, it's not like any of the campers are looking for a fight, or some action.. they're just cheezing people for cash and/or kicks. I've got no moral obligation to provide them with a fair fight, when they're explicitly trying to do the exact opposite.

When everyone seems to be out to get all the cards in their hands, and win as easily, effortlessly, and riskless as possible.. why not log out of camps? Make the little bastards curse on teamspeak and come crying to the boards, boo-hooing about how totally unfair it is that people won't fight them when they've already rigged the game.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense.

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