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wilgotna
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Posted - 2015.04.24 07:37:40 -
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crosi is... well lets just say his skin is very pale and one of his arms is bigger than the other...
he is putting... lets count
4 bil pod
200+ mil garmur
500 mil boosting loki all into play
theoretically you should have to match his isk investment in order to compete.
that said, i think the point range bonus on a missile frigate is just a poor design decision for the meta |
wilgotna
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Posted - 2015.04.26 00:56:10 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:wilgotna wrote:crosi is... well lets just say his skin is very pale and one of his arms is bigger than the other...
Wrong thread, i think you were looking for the 'projecting our insecurities on others' thread No doubt the garmur has a very effective set of bonuses. As ive said though, the game isnt balanced around isk and all the counters to the garmurs bonuses happen to be a lot cheaper, with the exception of a properly supported dram perhaps.
nah the garmur is just poorly designed.
ways to maybe fix it:
1. get rid of 1 mid
2. nerf its cap so it cant perma run all its mids
PS crosi try alternating your crank arm so you dont look so silly |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.26 03:38:52 -
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crosi every time you respond to me its either a pathetic straw man, or you say im mad. just quiet down
let me draw an analogy for the creation of the garmur/orthrus/t3 dessies that maybe you will be able to understand
remember the time when the rifter was considered overpowered?
what if ccp then created a new ship that was everything the rifter was, except even stronger and its bonuses even more exagerated. thats what the garmur/svip is |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.26 04:19:49 -
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crosi talking to you always feels like talking to a child
heres the difference between my post and your post
me:
crosi is a nerd (hilarious comment completely unrelated to the bulk of my post meant solely for my own amusement)
criticism of garmur which is related to the thread (this is the main point of my post)
crosi:
wow you are mad lol so hostile (this is you completely missing the point of my post while simultaneously trying to sound like an intellectual but in reality you just come off as stupid)
as for my rifter example, once again you completely miss the point
i made a hypothetical situation to analogize the creation of the garmur/t3 dessies to the HYPOTHETICAL creation of a super-rifter
this has NOTHING to do with how the rifter was eventually "balanced"
edit: however if you'd like we can compare and contrast the ways in which these two situations were handled
rifter is overpowered: buff all the other ships in its class (ok sounds good)
kiting ship supremacy: lets create even stronger kiting ships (funny because its so ********) |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.26 04:59:19 -
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i swear to god crosi i cant tell if you really are this dumb or youre trolling the pants off of my head
"As for kiting being supreme, ask any decent dram pilot what they think of that notion."
okay so one ship can counter the condor/hookbill
that was maybe decent back before the garmur existed. but still rather stupid that people had to bring out an expensive pirate frigate in order to counter a 10 mil fit condor...
now that the garmur is in play a dram cant do ****. defensive scram completely shuts down a dram
lets look at the other supposed mongoloid counters you spat out
Sentinel, reduces margin for error to minimal levels.
lol wtf is a sentinel gonna do to a garmur?
Cruor, reduces margin for error.
once again wtf is a cruor gonna do?
Hyena, reduces margin for error.
....are you being serious?
Dramiel, faster, tankier and more dps.
nope defensive scram
Multiple sniper corms or area denial coercers.
so the solution is to blob?
Element of surprise with an OH dual overdrive derptron gets a lot of people garmur kills.
nope defensive scram |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.26 05:25:19 -
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ive killed countless garmurs by being the initial point/scram with a ceptor, which then was followed with a blob
doesnt mean the ship is balanced
if you even bothered to read any of the posts you respond to you would see that my contention is not that garmurs are invincible;
my contention is that garmurs (and orthrus and t3 dessies for that matter) are conceptually flawed. anti-fun. blob-encouraging. damaging to the solo/smallgang meta.
they shouldnt exist. they take a problem (the kiting supremacy) and exacerbate it. |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.28 00:59:17 -
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crosi trolls so hard i dunno why hes not permabanned from this forum
he just blurts out his worthless opinion, then trolls anyone who disagrees with him by acting condescending and/or constantly straw manning their arguments
linked/snaked garmur's only real counter is ANOTHER linked/snaked garmur (and then its whichever one has the better fit for 1v1 smashing eachother) OR a linked/snaked ceptor with a blob for backup
to crosi: when you lose garmurs to atrons and other stupid **** it's not because the garmur has counters. its because youre a bad pilot who only flies the most risk-averse ships with a 3bil+ pod and a loki boosting you at all times |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:29:28 -
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Lug Muad'Dib wrote:Pilot like Crosi are OP, not the Garmur. If you need a blob to kill a garmur..  two fast 3m isk atron can kill a garmur with def scram, try this versus a worm.. Garmur has lot of counter and great gtfo capacity, more with snake and links, like many other ships..
No the garmur is op precisely because a super nerd like crosi can use a 3 bil pod and an off grid booster
Eve has an incredibly low skillcap. Any mongo can use a snaked/linked garmur and hit orbit.
Even his garmur fits just screams scared nerd. |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.28 19:42:08 -
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Yea lets celebrate a culture where the nerds who spend the most isk invariably win.
Sounds like a great basis for a pvp game. |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.29 00:52:55 -
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the fleet meta is already isk2win
the frigate meta doesnt have to be that way |
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wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.29 07:01:16 -
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yuri says the same thing as me
but he prefaces it by gently caressing crosi's tiny little peanuts
good strat yuri good strat |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.29 14:28:40 -
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crosi's garmur is easy to beat because he's a coward who runs double sebo
the instant you land on grid with a fast ship he's gonna warp or die because his fit is purely for KM whoring so he can have a nice killboard while being a rubbish pilot
thats also why you should take crosi's argument that the garmur can be killed by an atron or a dramiel with a grain of salt. because he doesnt fit the thing that makes the garmur truly op: the long range defensive scram |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:18:27 -
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crosi all your so-called "solo" kills are snaked/linked in the most op frigate in the game against caldari militia pilots who we both know cannot even tie their own shoes much less pvp
the fact that a frigate can put 200dps out to a 60k point while doing 12kms kinda sounds like an april fools joke. but no. its real. |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.01 02:08:09 -
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crosi's spew should be disregarded because the only thing hes concerned with is his own entertainment. everything he says is self serving.
nerfing the scram bonus isnt that great of a nerf imo
base speed needs to be reduced.
and
capacitor needs to be nuked, or a mid needs to be nuked
also we need to dicuss the t3 dessies.
as i already said they are pretty much a joke as the 10mn coercer and 10mn thrasher were already incredibly strong. the t3 dessies are just even stronger versions of them. |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.01 02:23:41 -
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crosi is so full of himself he actually thinks all discussions about ship balance are because of him
crosi you are bad
you are not even in gal mils top 20 solo killers |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.01 02:29:51 -
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i did no such thing
in fact i was a far better maulus pilot than you |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.01 02:42:42 -
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i may have used the same fit as you. but your fit was in no way amazing or requiring outside-the-box thinking
fitting ships in eve is not difficult
pretty much the only case where a fit really impressed me was quake's thrasher. and yes i shamelessly copied it
and yes it is lame to only fly the same risk-averse ship over and over and over and nothing else |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:09:39 -
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there are a few key differences between you and quake
1. he used the thrasher to fight 1v2 1v3 etc :versus: you are a puss
2. he is a skilled pilot :versus: you use snaked/linked kiting ships, hit orbit and then go afk
3. brawling with a thrasher :versus: you are a snaked/linked kiting puss
4. he fights other good pvpers :versus: you warp the instant you see anyone scary
5. anyone who is interested in eve pvp knows quake :versus: nobody knows or cares about you except to use you as an example of a puss like i do |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:19:02 -
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every single one of my game design criticisms is directed at ccp.
please dont confuse this with my criticisms of you as a pilot, which are directed at you |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.01 03:30:46 -
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keep putting words in my mouth you sad little man
im not going to just let you spew your filth without responding, if that gives the illusion that im obsessed with you then thats just the way it has to be. by that logic you are equally obsessed with me. |
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wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.03 06:31:40 -
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Strange considering many top pvpers kill boards are full of 10mn svilpul losses |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.03 15:51:48 -
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once again you are suggesting a blob to deal with a solo kiter |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.04 06:44:19 -
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wow i guess i will remove the quake, prom, gonrin, bopoh, etc videos from my favorites list because solo doesnt exist
thanks for enlightening me |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.05 01:12:34 -
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ya any ship can go 1 versus many. and i can also beat up multiple children at the same time.
thats not the point though
we are talking about how BAD CCP IS AT BALANCING THIS GAME
the garmur is op
the orthrus is ridiculously op with rlmls
the new t3ds are like a sick joke. why fly any dessie or t1 cruiser anymore when a t3d can rip all of them with ease?
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wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.07 00:19:50 -
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look dumbass, we already established that killing a garmur flown by a tard like crosi isnt difficult
what makes the garmur overpowered is the links + snakes COMBINED with its kit of bonuses and base speed
just because they are killable under certain circumstances doesnt negate the overwhelming evidence that says they are far and away the best frigate in the game
FURTHERMORE. this thread is about more than just the garmur
we are also complaining about the orthrus AND T3Ds |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.07 05:47:27 -
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i have killed more garmurs than anyone in this whole thread
yet i still firmly say that they are overpowered
you keep repeating yourself so i will keep repeating myself
yes garmurs can be killed, especially if they are flown poorly
that does not change that they are overpowered |
wilgotna
Rubtech Equity Research Group
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Posted - 2015.05.09 16:16:49 -
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your post just screams that you have no idea what the t3ds are capable of. probably because you dont pvp very much
when i log in i see tons of t3ds derping around all day. yet nobody is flying AFs, dessies, or t1 cruisers anymore.
i wonder why |
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