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DubanFP
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Posted - 2006.10.27 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 27/10/2006 19:23:50
just realized all the chat is on the new ships, and a bit on rigs. What about the new regions that have Drone spawns? I would imagine this would be a chaos zone for a while as the various newer corps/allliances fight to stake a claim over the new regions. Although the alloys the rogue drones drop could be a production corp's dream so i'd imagine some of the bigger alliances would want to stake a claim as well.
Perhaps it would be very Lucrative to build an outpost or two and charge for it's use. Let the various factions duke it out for control while you profit. Perhaps also sell military equipment at your outpost for additional profits. I would imagine it could make some room in the power struggle for some of the newer alliances to grow and make thier way into 0.0
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 19:42:00 -
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75 reads and no responses? Sure it's all conjecture but someone's got to have an opinion on this.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 19:45:00 -
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I havetn actually seen any info on wether the npc's there are actually drones or not.
If i recall right CCP mentioned "rogue NPC's", not specifically rogue drones.
Has anyone flown to the new areas yet to look ?
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.10.27 19:48:00 -
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rogue drones up first and be populated later on by various other NPCs (UDI,EOM perhaps and some new ones CCP will create especially for those regions)
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Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.10.27 19:49:00 -
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Opinion.
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 19:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Mephysto
NPC's in the new regions are Rogue Drones.
Mephysto is a member of the dev team.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.27 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 27/10/2006 19:50:15
Ah yes, just seen the mephisto quote too.
Rogue drones it is, I sure hope they don't have uber drops on those alloys tho. Wonder what hte rogue drone faction spawn equivalents will be 
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 27/10/2006 19:50:15
Ah yes, just seen the mephisto quote too.
Rogue drones it is, I sure hope they don't have uber drops on those alloys tho. Wonder what hte rogue drone faction spawn equivalents will be
/check - Uber alloy drops in.
no where to refine them yet though. Maybe thats the trade off.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Leviathan Corperation LTD
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
as the various newer corps/allliances fight to stake a claim over the new regions
LOL, thats never gonna happen,the big alliances will fight for it, the smaller ones will just get crushed if they try to get in the way.
the big alliances are too big, but thats another rant alltogether so nm 
(unless ccp intervenes and gives the 'little guys' a head start, but i don't think they will do that)
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.27 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Wonder what hte rogue drone faction spawn equivalents will be
Oh, thats easy. Necromancer Dominix! For every Zombie Dominix you kill, it revives 3.
Mfmfmgmfg.. brains.. 
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Rajon Kelper
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:30:00 -
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as for alliances...
#1 idea: biggies will split up the majority of the new regions, perhaps with some smaller subordinate alliances in there with them to help inhabit space. Big Alliances will continue to live in current regions as they are already developed, but later may move slowly to more regularly occupy space.
#2 idea: Biggies may move a larger force to new regions than above idea, and get smaller alliances to help inhabit their old regions.
#3: etc.
The Big alliance will ALWAYS profit, simply because THEY CAN. The smaller alliances will definately profit from these regions too, though, either directly or indirectly, but sticking to a large alliance for support. Example of this already happening in current regions can be seen with alliances such as Xelas, which live under BoB claimed space to help inhabit and protect the space, keeping unfriendlies out. Also, D2 has CDC, MM, Pure, Razor, etc, to inhabit Tenal, Tribute, and Vale as a buffer from hostiles.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rajon Kelper
as for alliances...
#1 idea: biggies will split up the majority of the new regions, perhaps with some smaller subordinate alliances in there with them to help inhabit space. Big Alliances will continue to live in current regions as they are already developed, but later may move slowly to more regularly occupy space.
#2 idea: Biggies may move a larger force to new regions than above idea, and get smaller alliances to help inhabit their old regions.
#3: etc.
The Big alliance will ALWAYS profit, simply because THEY CAN. The smaller alliances will definately profit from these regions too, though, either directly or indirectly, but sticking to a large alliance for support. Example of this already happening in current regions can be seen with alliances such as Xelas, which live under BoB claimed space to help inhabit and protect the space, keeping unfriendlies out. Also, D2 has CDC, MM, Pure, Razor, etc, to inhabit Tenal, Tribute, and Vale as a buffer from hostiles.
Biggies... as you call them, won't make much of a run for an area that is not near them. That's my opinion. Defending one area is hard enough, two areas can be way too much to handle even for the biggies. If they do go in, look for existing places to become weak and get overun. The new places will mostl likely be a hoard mismash of small unsettled alliances looking for space. This will cause some agression even among friendly alliances. Greed will play a part... as will major camps in all the jump in points. Look for multiple carriers/motherships hopping in for POS setups quick and fast. I hope the remove the fact that people can deploy a sec can at a moon to claim space that space. This will cause many probs.
Clearly I see the new regions as good for Eve, but don't think its gonna be a nice smooth place for biggies to enjoy... it wont.
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DubanFP
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.27 21:59:00 -
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I'm with Cez, established alliances will have no reason to have to protect a new area in addtion to existing areas. They might think the new areas are better and move, but then thier old areas will be free. Either way i think it's more room in 0.0 for smaller alliances, which is a good thing.
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Cattraknoff
Caldari
Sha Kharn Corp
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.27 22:21:00 -
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Alliances with large amounts of space are too far from the new regions to be able to effectively defend them at the same time as their homes. Yes, large alliances could probably take a large chunk if they wanted, but it'd most likely mean sacrificing their home.
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Ogdru Jahad
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.10.28 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000
Originally by: DubanFP
as the various newer corps/allliances fight to stake a claim over the new regions
LOL, thats never gonna happen,the big alliances will fight for it, the smaller ones will just get crushed if they try to get in the way.
the big alliances are too big, but thats another rant alltogether so nm
(unless ccp intervenes and gives the 'little guys' a head start, but i don't think they will do that)
any alliance that tries to hold it will be how can i say this? spreading them self to thin.
Outposts are pretty much set in stone.
but I see a market crash in high end minerals etc.
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The Enslaver
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.28 01:34:00 -
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The regions do have rogue drone NPC's, and they have (at least two of them, anyway) all four high end ores (Merc, Ark, Bist, Crok).
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Blighter
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Posted - 2006.10.28 05:25:00 -
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We know the rats are rogue drones, and I beleive the devs mentioned each region will have a 10/10 plex.
depending on how profitable the regions are, we could see some alliances giving up their homes for them.
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FFGR
Maza Nostra
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.28 08:05:00 -
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For big alliances to move there it will be needed atleast a 30B investment for a station as I don't think that people will want to move where there are no stations to dock to make ships, refine ore ect.
Smaller alliances on the other hand (or new alliances) that don't have 0.0 access or their access is very limited don't have much to lose if they move there, but on the other hand they have much to gain.
PS : Refining ore at a POS will make your hair turn grey
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petergriffen
Amarr
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.10.28 16:06:00 -
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The largest alliances have nothing to gain and everything to lose by packing up and moving to the new regions. They're already well entrenched in their respective areas, with conquered stations, outposts, and POS's claiming their sovereignty. The new regions offer nothing but vast expanses of space that can be developed. Why sacrifice what they have?
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.28 16:14:00 -
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Quote:
I hope the remove the fact that people can deploy a sec can at a moon to claim space that space
Simply destroy the can.
And enslaver, I'm pretty damn surprised that those regions would hold all 4 of the high ends. No current region does. It's weird to see CCP add more resources when the current ones aren't even fully used and competed for.
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The Enslaver
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.29 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Quote:
I hope the remove the fact that people can deploy a sec can at a moon to claim space that space
Simply destroy the can.
And enslaver, I'm pretty damn surprised that those regions would hold all 4 of the high ends. No current region does. It's weird to see CCP add more resources when the current ones aren't even fully used and competed for.
Afaik Outer Ring does, and Syndicate would if the sec went lower (judging by the lack of half the low end ores). But yeah, the new regions will also have all four. Depressing, eh.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.10.29 03:19:00 -
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I'm still waiting for some PF on why these regions are only now opening to us.
Were the gates recently constructed, or recently made operation again?
If so, how and why?
Why are the regions full of rogue drones and not some other faction?
maybe that Abraxas guy will be able to write us some chrons that deal with it?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Rajon Kelper
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.10.29 04:41:00 -
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right, as I figured might happen, most of you completely missed my point.
Obviously the biggies wont try to control both their old space and the new space at the same time, and I agree that the likelyhood of most biggies abandoning their space is little to none. My point is that I think this is gonna cause a huge jump in "subordinate" alliances. I gave examples of this already happening, most notably with BoB. BoB already uses subordinate alliances to hold down BoB claimed space in return for rights to live in the space, such as Xelas in Fountain, MC in Period Basis, and Firmus Ixion in Querious.
I believe that a lot of this will happen on a larger scale once the new regions open. Big alliances will send fleets into the regions to hold down areas, then invite smaller/subordinate alliance to come in and live in parts of the area in return for helping defend the area. Over time, the larger alliances might focus more resources into the area and develop them further.
This will happen, but also we'll see small alliances and corps grouping together to try to stake a claim themselves. Since this is a LOT of space, they'll definately be able to establish themselves without too much of a hasle. They'll be the first to invest enough to dedicate to stuff like an outpost, and will have a more vested interest than big alliances in current regions.
Hope that makes it a bit clearer. 
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