Now, take your uninformed entitlement somewhere else. Thanks.

So, because of money, adults are entitled to behave like children?

The contract between you and CCP says "Upon establishing a valid Account, and subject to your continued compliance with the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to access the System" and "CCP is not responsible for your access to the Internet"

In other words, the contract says you can access their system provided you have insured there is an internet connection between you and the system.

Because it's you're responsibility to ensure your connection works, not CCPs. As long as the servers remain open to outside connections then CCP is fulfilling its end of the agreement, connection issues involving things outside their network are none of their concern.

Look at it this way, if your connection had worked during the time in question would you have been able to log in and play the game? If the answer is yes, which I know it was because half the playerbase didn't get disconnected, then CCP has fulfilled their obligations and you havent got a leg to stand on.

would you agree to have 4 free days game time but remove 4 days of training from your account to compensate? im sure if ccp had an severe issue from their end then you would be compensated, i mean they reimburse plenty of ships and pods due to technical issues.

maybe you should go on twitter and shout at lizard squad or whoever the fck done it and tell them you demand answers to this scam, im sure they like tears as much as the eve players

maybe its you causing the ddos to get much compensation and free stuffs?

what you failed to realize is that, if CCP starts to give any kind of compensation because of this incident, the script kiddies who are doing this criminal act will be having even more reason to do this, yeah?

People like Ecklectrix are frightening.

They do not care about anything else but what they want.
At some point I am sure they would kill someone,
because they know no borders and believe they can behave however they want.

Thinking Ero is a sociopath while these people are allowed to run around is plain nuts.

Thread should be locked, because it's pure ranting,
out of date and infested by sick antisocial monsters.

Can't we petition to have such "human beings" permabanned?

this is one of the d*mbest and most ignorant post i've ever seen here in this thread. have you even bothered checking out what DDoS means, why it's named like that and how it works?

Please sue me for talking to an anonymous internet characer.
Please.
Go ahead, big mouth.

You prove my point! I am talking to an anonymous internet characer and you are
so COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED and FULL OF YOURSELF you believe you can sue me for that!

Come at me, bro!
People like you should be locked up!

if you feel violated, you are also entitled as per contract to unsub, nobody will stop you. please do so as soon as possible as a sign of protest on how CCP have deliberately abused your rights. thank you.

the only anger seems to be coming from you, you sound so mad im scared to go near your tears

Look at it this way, if your connection had worked during the time in question would you have been able to log in and play the game? If the answer is yes, which I know it was because half the playerbase didn't get disconnected, then CCP has fulfilled their obligations and you havent got a leg to stand on.

You are wrong.
Move on to the next storm in a tea cup, please.

Here are the facts as stated by a member of CCP
- They had a DDoS attack
- YOUR ability to connect to their servers was disrupted.

It was a rather minor disruption and your demands create more work than it is worth implementing. If CCP takes your minority over the top whining seriously they open a door of precidents where they will be falling over themselves to wipe noses to the point they will end up writing personal letters of apology because down time took one minute longer than scheduled.

Get over yourself.

That this thread wasn't locked when you started ranting ealier in it leads me to believe they are just letting you vent your frustrations.
"There there. Made enough noise yet? Feeling better? Now go back to your game and blow up some space ships."

I suggest you go back and re-read the terms of service contract you have entered into with CCP. You will discover your errors in good time, I am confident. Until then, you are certainly entitled to have an opinion, however wrong it may be.

You're not the first person on the interwebs to have this opinion, and you won't be the last.

Ecklectrix, you're paying to be able to log into EVE, not so that CCP can fix the whole Internet or rid us of every hacker and malcontent.

Your expectations are unrealistic.

Don't qoute the things that are only convinient to you.

Please describe CCP's OBLIGATIONS under the EULA

If you think you've got a case, take it to court.

The judge can then tell you that you're wrong, just like everyone else is doing.

Then get back to us.

And your argument is that CCP is in material breach of their obligations to provide access to and use of your account, the system, game, etc?

Let's see your proof of this breach. Contract law requires proof. Simply being incapable of accessing the system is not proof that CCP failed to provide access.

Wow. Do you imagine you'll get better service now that you're threatening coercion?

Have you spent any time working in an any service industry, ever?

We're trying to break you out of your overly simple and woefully insufficient model. This is not between you and CCP. There is a hostile third party disrupting service between you and CCP. CCP can't just "fix it," because it's not just their problem.

Until you accept that, you're not going to get anywhere.

Why are CCP "supposed to" reimburse you if everything in their control, and everything they have promised to provide, is working to the best of their ability?

They even go above and beyond, trying to detect and prevent these external attacks on the network as best they can, because it is in their interest to. But it is not something they are contractually bound to do. I seriously doubt you even understand how the internet works, and this is leading to your faulty conclusions.

true you paid them, still no proof that they benefited from this, for all we know you are the one who chose not to avail their services.

how can they be sure that you are indeed trying to log-in for real? after all their servers are fine. maybe you are just riding the wave and just want to seize the oppurtunity to take an advantage?

again, the burden of proof is on you, try again.

Tranquility has been up the whole time, thanks to a considerable effort on their part. EVE Online is not the Internet.



One of the major appeals of DDOS attacks is that they are nearly impossible to trace to anyone. So what you are effectively asking is for CCP to take the blame and the financial hit on behalf of a party hostile to them.

All because you're losing your **** over access to a game.

its hardly a contract, you are merely agreeing to some terms which state they dont guarantee the service to be active 100% of the time

do you realise how silly your argument actually sounds?

Hopefully now you know a little more about how the internet works.

The problem is that you didn't read the contract you signed, not that CCP did anything wrong.

The amount of money I'm "losing" to the interruption of service wouldn't even get me a coffee.

The contract you signed is clear, CCP doesn't owe you or me or anyone anything, period.

If you disagree, the contract you signed also assigns any such disagreements to this place where you can take it up:

So go file a case with them. That way (since you don't want to understand what mutiple people and the contract you signed says) a judge can tell you (in Icelandic or whatever the hell they speak) that no one owes you so much as a single a dime, and you signed the contract that says no one owes you a dime.

Ecklectrix has received four pages of attention so far.
"None so blind as those who do not wish to see."

Oh really, so if you say, go to McDonalds, order and pay for a burger and they stare blankly at you and say "oops sorry our grill isn't working, but we're keeping your money" You'd say that would be ok right?

Be sure to come here and tell us when CCP doesn't give you anything (because that would open some very bad flood gates. Also don't hesitate to let us know how your law suit goes.

Have you submitted a support ticket or are you just expecting ccp falcon to single you out and send you a message?

I get that TQ is fine. It aint ccps fault etc etc

But if this happens multiple times a day for 30 straight days hypothetically and i cant play the game for 30days

Then what?
I should just keep pay my sub for access to TQ which is working fine even if i techincally cant reach it cuz TQ keeps getting ddosed?

This is not what CCP did. CCP was the VICTIM of an attack.

The proper analogy would be: I sold someone a car. A month later someone who is not me stole the car. Now the owner of the car wants me to give them their money back.

Son, for the last 17 years I've been putting people in jails. Because I understand how actual reality works and don't flip out because a game company won'ty give me 2 bucks worth of game time when someone else attacks them, I wouln't be the one going to jail...

That's your choice. You could unsub till the problem is resolved by someone.

The problem with a lot of people who always cry for reimbursement is that they have this feeling that SOMEONE should do something for them if they suffer a loss. They don't actually care who is at fault.

Truth is, the only people at fault are the attackers. If they keep you from playing EVE for 30 days it's they who owe you 30 days of game time. choosing to punish a victim for the actions of a criminal is wrong no matter how you cut it.

Yeah because victims pursue criminals all the time, compensation also comes from the criminal once caught

So stop posting and biomass your character because GOD DAMN son.

Lies.

If you didn't care, you wouldn't nonsensically keep posting and argueing on
a public board about something you have no chance of getting.

You are agenda posting. You are doing this intentionally.
No one sane would keep behaving like that.
No one sane would keep needing to tell others how he deserves something,
completely ignoring that there is no way posting here will get you anything.

The sane person would not post at all and instead go the route that's intended.



You are nothing more than Fake and you know damn well that GD is full of
unreasonable people who can not see how they are being manipulated and played.

Oh I missed the Falcon Punch!

Well ... what are you going to do now?
As predicted, you won't get a thing. :)

Your hate yielded nothing.

Thanks for being here!

That much is obvious since I would never tolerate that sort of behaviour.

You didn't get an immediate response because you're off your rocker thinking CCP is at fault for internet issues. Like I said before, you're not the first to think this, and you won't be the last. Unfortunately in your case, ignorance seems to be winning out despite all the knowledge we've tried to impart to you.

Nope, it's tomorrow, you've been told by every single person in this thread, including CCP Falcon, that you're barking up the wrong tree.

Anyhow....


CCP FALCON SAID NO!
WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE STFU ALREADY AND STOP EATING THE BAIT???

THE CASE IS CLOSED! EXPLAINING SOMEONE WHO DELIBERATELY BEHAVES LIKE THIS
WHY HE IS BEING UNREASONABLE IS NONSENSE!!!

Not comparable. I told people this is pointless
and then tried to get the thread locked.
Instead I got removed.

You though constantly tried to "help" and "explain",
which is absolute nonsense considering the person you talked to.


It's not the haters who make GD bad. Just like with scammers,
if there wasn't victims, there would be no scamming.

Just look at the latest code propaganda thread. It's obvious as **** and
people just don't use their brain enough to realise.

Absolutely most people are easily to manipulate,
because they behave predictable!

The sad thing is that people REALLY need to be protected mostly from THEMSELVES.

I can go on and on but will keep it for a seperate thread, not in GD though.
Politicians are right with treating people like programmable sheep, really.

This too is part of the issue.
People seriously getting fun out of this ****.

More evidence how wrong all of this is and how it needs to be curbstomped.