What is the penalty for hiding accounts? That is, someone hides which accounts are theirs, so if they get a 7 day ban, it will not be on all their accounts?

Keep up the great work!

Any more details about 2FA yet?

Are their particular players you keep an eye on? Outside of the CSM that is.

These rules should also apply to players using market bots to monitor and update orders, right?

I ask this question for specific clarifcation, only because I have reported a few rather obvous market bots in the recent past, and yet no serious action appeared to be taken against them - perhaps they were given a warning, but certainly they were never hit with any temp ban, and are still operating.

Can someone from CCP please answer the following?

I 1st posted this in the input duplication thread, with no response....

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5605658#post5605658

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Can someone from CCP please clarify what Team Security presented during Fanfest?



They seem to say its "client modification" if you put VFX inside your client window. Then state to "read the EULA" and that these programs modify the client.

CCP's Example of a modified Client

That is of course false, since your just using built in Window DWM / AERO features (the same thing you see when you hold alt-tab). This is a built in windows feature that you could implement on your PC without using tools like ISBoxer, which just makes it easier.

In fact CCP is helping development one now.

If I use the CCP endorsed DWM tool, which modifies how the game client is presented, am I not in the same violation?

EVE-O preview - multi-client preview

That program is EASILY following the same pathway that ISBoxer uses to modify clients for easier window management, it could VERY QUICKLY turn into the same exact feature set (would that be falling into some kind of copyright infringement, CCP?)

However since they are seemingly intent on calling Windows Features "client modification", using VFX and Rollover OUTSIDE the client cant be considered client modification.

So if I use VFX, Clickbars, round-robin etc OUTSIDE the client window, I am not modifying the client in anyway, so therefor I am not in violation if I am using CCP's strict interperation of the rules.

This is an example of a dxnothing window that DOES NOT in anyway put anything inside the EVE Client Window. This MUST be within the EULA based on CCP's presentation. (Before anyone harps the "3rd party tool for an advantage to the average player" garbage, 1st defend the CCP endorsed EVE-O Preview tool, Evernus, Elinor, EVEHQ and many other 3rd party programs that give you an advantage over others).



Assuming that using Rollover buttons OUTSIDE of the client is ok, since im not "modifying the client", then what is the issue? Am I not allowed to send a "left mouse button click" when I move my mouse?

In Team Security's presentation they stated you CAN use Touch Screens. Ok, can I use a Touch Screen to activate a bunch of modules in a row (like all of my low slots)? Is using Touch Screens ok but using Rollover's not ok?

What about just re-mapping the keys from my clients onto my keyboard or another input device?

Are we allowed to make key remaps? Can I remap F1 on Client #2 to F2 instead?

If I get a Xkey 80 and assign each button, I could easily use bombers almost as effeicently as using Rollover or Input Duplication... Is this allowed? Its certainty not a macro, just a key remap? How would CCP know the difference though? I can hit 16 + buttons in a second using my fingers, what if i just took my fist and smashed all the keys?

There is a simple solution to all of this vagueness

If you dont want to name features directly then draw a line

" you cannot send more then x commands to your clients in x seconds."

Simple, easy to follow, no confusion. Something like that would be completely feature agnostic.

This current vagueness is complete garbage.

I and others have outlined questions and concerns at Dual-boxing.com

http://www.dual-boxing.com/threads/52086-Team-Security-EVE-Fanfest-presentation-1500-GMT-on-Saturday-March-21st?p=397319&viewfull=1#post397319

Sigh... Peligro there are many questions in that post you can easily answer, like if I can make key-remaps, can I use a touch screen to activate modules or is using video fx out of the client considered "client modification".

I cannot wrap my head around everytime you guys respond it's "read the EULA". The EULA doesn't answer this question and you guys refuse to clarify.

Hi,

I have seen the video on youtube about your attempts to prevent botting and account hacking. a lot of emphasis seems to be on specific ip addresses. you are aware that many ISP, especially in rural areas have a shared ip address for the majority of their customers ? i am network engineer for one of those ISP and i know for sure there are other eve players on the road with the same ip address. how do you determine that same ip address is not same person. in other words, will i be punished because i share an ip address with many other players ?

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Lea