Hellcore
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.29 15:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Oratu
You can not kill anything based on an ideal.. so you ideology applies to any close knit grop of people with the same goal ie ASCN, AAA ect.....
Except ASCN members do not share the same goal, their leaders seem to follow a different path to their members. The members on the whole are only interested in themselves, hell why wouldn't you be if you had that kind of leader?
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Hellcore
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.30 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Actually, yes. It shows the typically redundant and backassward thinking process that is going to end up with ASCN's territory being carved up into several smaller alliance 'states'.
The fact is that due to any number of factors, both RL and in game, your leadership is non-existent at best and hopelessly bogged down / confused at worst. Your problems extend far beyond losing dozens of BS per day. If that was your largest failing, I'd actually believe you have a chance.
The issue here is that I'd be willing to wager real money that the rank and file MC member knows more about what's going on inside ASCN than your own membership right now. Unless something fundamental changes inside of ASCN within the next few weeks, this 'Great Southern War' is going to fizzle out with a whimper before the end of the year.
DonĘt take my word for it, though. Time will prove me right or wrong. Hopefully, and I really do hope this happens, ASCN will get their act together and make a real go at it, but itĘs going to take one hell of a turn around in the way this ęwarĘ is being conducted.
You have to ask why Cyvok's absence should leave ASCN as such headless chickens, why hasn't an alliance of this size got a decent chain of command? It all stinks of personal empires and self profit and rapid backpedaling at every opportunity so that Cyvok and ASCN HC can take no responsibility in the event of failure, even gross negligence. Crying "exploit" and "lag" as reasons for failing every engagement alludes to this even further.
The bulk of ASCN members most likely have not seen strong leadership figures for a good while, so now they just bury their heads in the sand and hope that may weather this storm. In this light, how many ASCN member corporations really care under what banner they fly as long as it is one that allows them to carry on regardless in pursuit of their normal activities? I see a small group within ASCN who *are* willing to fight, they are the names you see in GQ2 every day, but what are they fighting for? Is it fair to mock them and accuse them of fighting for Cyvok and McGreedy or even fair to accuse them of just being anti-BoB? Personally I think these guys just want a fight and are most likely exasperated at their HCs for failing to bring it to us. Oh yes, I have total respect for those guys fighting on the frontline, very much so.
So overall, who really does care about ASCN, the leaders? I doubt it, if they fail they just pack up and start again with the wealth and people they have accumulated. The members? What is there to truly care about? They have mostly lazy peers, inexperienced FCs and a farcical HC. I hear people cry "ISK" but good ISK can be made under any banner, or indeed, under no banner at all. Is average Joe Hobbit really likely to be upset if ASCN space is divvied up and he becomes member of a caretaking corporation or alliance of said pie slice (mmm pie)?
So can ASCN shake it up, can the HC unite the members, can they show self-sacrifice and fight from the front? Ultimately can they find the resolve they need to have the will to win this war? Everyday that they are carried along on the tide brings them closer to the end.
As to what is a "good cause", before my BoB membership I was a veteran fighter for Ushra'Khan. Now, U'K have been picked on by a lot of people for no good reason, many much larger and more powerful alliances would have folded many times over with what they have faced. The main reason this never happened was brotherhood, the closest it got was when that brotherhood was slightly shaken, but then the freeloaders were booted and some frustrated people left (me for one). I am sure you can see where this is going, our alliance name says it all and instead of learning to hate it perhaps those who face us should think about what it means.
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