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Selune Starlight
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.16 06:37:34 -
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@Schmata Bastanold Thank you for the fittings. I am going to check them out in EFT and let's where it takes me :) No worries about the Rattllesnake fit - I am gathering a baseline so it's all good :)
@Schmata Bastanold and Chainsaw Plankton - Thak you for the info. I have decided to go the Nightmare and Rattlesnake way for my purposes since I primarily play in Caldari/Amarr space - I have never ventured into Minny/Gal space before. The Nightmare for melting away all NPC bounties and the Rattlesnake for the dangerous mission like World's Collide. Learning how to use both types of ships with Habringer for Nightmare and Prophecy for Rattlesnake.
Mach's have always been great ships for blasting NPC's and others but I am not that good with Speed tanking - still learning how to do it occasionally with a Rifter and my projectile skills are still pretty basic and can't train them till others like Sentry Drone V are done. I also find it a bit boring watching the slow loading Arty's fire away atleast missiles have some animation to watch while the cycle runs.
Ishtar/Gila are too expensive and I don't have the required level of Drone skill to make them effective yet. On the other hand, Vexor/Domi's are good but for the price of the Domi and a bit more I can get a Rattlesnake so I have skipped that line for now.
I really want to fly the marauders like the Vargur/Paladin and so on - been hearing really good thing about them but sadly I am quite a bit away from them interms of skills required and ISK required. I am putting them down as my long term skill goal after finishing Mastery level 4 for Nightmare, Rattlesnake with Sentry V and T3 cruiser for Caldari/Amarr. Regarding this can you give any input on the ability of T3 HML and HAM Tengu for PvE? -- I heard Tengu got a big nerf.
EDIT: Got great news :) I somehow managed to pickup to 2x Nightmare, 1x Rattlesnake and 1x HML fully fit Tengu for 1.2 bil ISK from a null sec corp player. He had tons of pirate LP, minerals, ships and modules from long term playing in null sec but couldn't ship them snce he was locked down by pirates. I got his most valuable stuff to Jita in my friends Freighter safely and he was nice enough to give this massive discount :) Thank you for your advice everyone. It made me decide and act and it was victory - it's in these moments I feel playing EVE feels awesome :)
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Schmata Bastanold
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
3051
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Posted - 2015.04.16 07:21:47 -
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Here's tengu I used for quite a while:
[Tengu, L4]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
EM Ward Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
http://evepraisal.com/e/5660818
Again, little bling but was quite fun to sig/speed tank swarms of rats. I have no idea how it works now after recent changes.
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Selune Starlight
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.04.16 08:05:02 -
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@Schamata Bastanold - Wow nice fit - not to expensive/blingy like the other fits in the forums - i can afford this since I have a ton of Caldari Navy LP lying around from when grinded my standings. Going to borrow a friends Tengu and see how it works after nerf with this fit. Lol I am not getting into marauders until I have a big ISK net of atleast 10-12 billion and have my Marauder ship master at atleast IV. Not to mention - getting the hang of flying big ships safely without getting nuked by NPC's or ganked by pirates :P
Last Night's Story (Read if you have time :) ) The "null sec player" was not a corpmate (I never try to make profit from guildies) - I met him in the Freight Chat. He was desperately trying to find someone to help move his stuff from his dead end system - it was in a area where you have to pay rent monthly in ISK or ores else get killed and lose station access to your stuff. He was solo grinding that region for nearly 2 years without leaving even once (was really surprised when I heard this) and the local corp sold all consumables needed. He was doing anoms/mining/ratting/exploration/escalations/researching and manufacturing - Felt like he was that grinding protagonist from the "Light Moon Sculptor" light novel.
Even more surprising was that he had nearly 30 Nightmares and Rattlesnakes (other T1, T2 ships from various classes as well) with him - not to mention high end BPO's, BPC's and faction/deadspace modules in 100's to 1000's. He got bad vibes form the local corp so wanted to shift but couldn't since they locked him in. I somehow managed to covertly sneak in and move all his most expensive stuff - BPO's, BPC's and modules - nearly 3/4ths of his total value last night in multiple jumps. Was on edge the whole time since the collateral I would have to pay was too huge to the point I have to quit the game. But it worked out in the end. Once I got him to the nearest safe Hi-sec he gave me the ships for 1/3rd Jita price and the modules for 1/10th Jita price and a 1 billion to top it.
Ofcourse all of it was done in my Main - I never use it to post on forums for safety reasons. |
Newt BlackCompany
BlackCompany Personal Corp
33
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Posted - 2015.04.16 08:16:47 -
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Proteus is my fav L4 mission ship. |
Selune Starlight
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.04.16 08:22:40 -
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@Newt BlackCompany - Proteus is the blaster T3 cruiser right? |
Schmata Bastanold
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
3051
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Posted - 2015.04.16 08:30:49 -
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Heh, renters are crazy :)
Good that you found him and managed to help both of you. Beauty of Eve, crazy things happen and sometimes they don't end with ALOD on TMC :)
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Selune Starlight
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.04.16 09:29:18 -
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@Schmata Bastanold yeah I am thinking of same progress : Raven - Rattlesnake/Nightmare - HML/HAM Tengu - probably Marauder like Paladin/Barghest if cross training then Vargur.
I am not so good with the mining side - it's fun to mine and hoard but I get ganked too often - lost a few dozen procurers/retrievers even when I was fully concentrated and prepped to bored gankers in hi-sec and null-sec - it just took the fun out of it for me. Also, at that point there were not many good hi-sec mining corporations (good in the sense with boosters, haulers, etc) - the good null/wh ones needed massive SP in mining/production before even accepting application so I left it alone. I found running anoms/exploration to be far more entertaining - especially exploration - it's like a lottery you never what comes out of it.
Regarding PVP - I suck since I have never practiced pvp even once. For some reason I don't like fighting against players in EVE and I panic a lot when I get jumped. Ironic part is I love Pvping in WoW/League of Legends/DOTA and so on.
L4's are pertty good money - especially the bounties and loot/salvage - not to mention the LP and associated rewards due to standings boost. Like you said, earning money in L4's is the easiest and time friendly option in EVE.
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Schmata Bastanold
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
3051
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Posted - 2015.04.16 10:18:03 -
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To be honest I never witnessed or was a target of ganking when I was mining with my own little fleet. When I was in lowsec last year with my bros from RIFTA I knew when local flashy reds were going to have gank nights so I spent that times hunting lowsec and exploding stuff. When I went solo again I simply didn't mine near trade hubs and that's all. One or few systems off beaten path and you are done with fear of seeing cats on d-scan or grid. Not to mention less competition grinding your rocks :) On the other hand my skiffs have 100k ehp, not very attractive targets when on d-scan you see all those hulks which are most likely max yield fit.
And pvp is like everything else in Eve. If you don't like it simply don't do it but if you like it keep doing it and you will get better. When I say I suck at it it's not because I didn't have enough opportunities I simply suck and that's all. Doesn't mean I don't or didn't enjoy it, I just can't get any better but that never stopped me. I lost interest and wanted to try out other stuff like mining, production, exploration, whatever. No point in closing yourself to one thing especially when it doesn't gives you enough fun.
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
146
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:09:45 -
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Selune Starlight wrote:@Schmata Bastanold yeah I am thinking of same progress : Raven - Rattlesnake/Nightmare - HML/HAM Tengu - probably Marauder like Paladin/Barghest if cross training then Vargur.
I am not so good with the mining side - it's fun to mine and hoard but I get ganked too often - lost a few dozen procurers/retrievers even when I was fully concentrated and prepped to bored gankers in hi-sec and null-sec - it just took the fun out of it for me. Also, at that point there were not many good hi-sec mining corporations (good in the sense with boosters, haulers, etc) - the good null/wh ones needed massive SP in mining/production before even accepting application so I left it alone. I found running anoms/exploration to be far more entertaining - especially exploration - it's like a lottery you never what comes out of it.
Regarding PVP - I suck since I have never practiced pvp even once. For some reason I don't like fighting against players in EVE and I panic a lot when I get jumped. Ironic part is I love Pvping in WoW/League of Legends/DOTA and so on.
L4's are pertty good money - especially the bounties and loot/salvage - not to mention the LP and associated rewards due to standings boost. Like you said, earning money in L4's is the easiest and time friendly option in EVE.
i love pvp in eve, i suck so
reason is im not patient enough and piloting isnt my strongest forte ^^
but regarding the rattle small tip from my part use your drones (sentries) from the small upwards and missiles from the big downwards its abit a headache but works great. other method would be damage the ships with missiles till half armor and send your drones after the rest and switch to the next target.
On the tengu site i only love a ham tengu for the epic arcs which i still run. downside is u r kinetic locked |
Selune Starlight
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:24:41 -
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@Schmata Bastanold Well that is true..having a fleet/corp is better since even if we miss something, someone else will notice it. On the other hand low sec exploration is fun. In the end, EVE is a sandbox and pvp is only a small part. I am going to do what I like and see where it leads :)
@Jeanne-Luise Argenau - Thank you for the tips. Same here piloting in EVE is very hard - it's unlike the easy mode with "WASD" controls or Joysticks. I can't seem to get hold of that distance/angle perception so it gets really hard and I don't have the patience to attentively camp a gate for hours on end. |
Schmata Bastanold
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
3051
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:46:58 -
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Pvp is not only a small part of Eve. It is core mechanics that dictates how everything else works. The fact that you are not shooting other players doesn't mean you are not participating in pvp. You explore, collect loot, sell it and voila: market pvp because somebody tanked whole market down while you were in deep ends of universe hacking those damn cans. You mine, reprocess into minerals and get hefty payout because some null egos just exploded gazzillions of titans and they buying hubs out. You delivered that dude's stuff safely into hisec getting away with it, could be somebody else profiting from it either by exploding you or by taking that dude's offer before you did.
Pvp is everywhere and you are part of it whether you want it or not. Small part of it is ship to ship combat although some would probably disagree :)
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Yolli Sly
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:39:41 -
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First, sorry for my English, it is not my native language.
Please, donGÇÖt get me wrong when you read this post, it is not about haw great pilot I am, but how nice and friendly ship Gila is.
Here my current Gila fit:
[Gila, mission - optimize vs Gurista]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Internal Force Field Array I
10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Drone Link Augmentator I
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Caldari Navy Vespa x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Federation Navy Hammerhead x2
Salvage Drone x4
Scourge Fury Light Missile x500
Scourge Auto-Targeting Light Missile x500
MTU x1
With Skills GÇ£All lvl 4GÇ¥ + Zainou GÇ£GipsyGÇ¥ EE 603 in slot 6:
Drone DPS: 500 (~400 applied) on evereting;
Missile Dps: 129 with reloads (~100 applied);
Shield Defense: 279 dps (vs Gurista);
Shield Size: 12 200;
EHP: 73 000;
Signature: 220m;
Speed: ~600 m/s (~520 if orbiting at 5km);
Align/Warp time 9,8/10 sec.
Price: ~ 700 mil.
This is tested, unstoppable, full passive lvl 4 mission fit as soon as you get Shields and Drone Support Skills up to 4. Just keep orbiting and you can handle 10-15 (20 if Gurista or Sansha) Battleships shooting on you, with shields drops not below ~ 70%.
This fit is designed to scrooge pilots like me! It is excellent for full bounty/loot/ salvage. Just in time when you kill last battleship last but one whreck is near your MTU and you can start salvage immediately.
Tactics I use is simple:
Arrive, if rats are in range (40 GÇô 50 km) I drop MTU and start orbiting around him at 3-5km. AB on. Launch drone and engage them. I kill frigate first (even triggers) then cruisers, then battleships. If there are two or three separate groups from 70-100km, I drop MTU in the middle of pocket, choose group, choose fattest rat and start orbiting around it, approaching I kill frigate firstGǪsee above.
I use drone in aggressive mod (due to JAM) but I manage them while killing frigates and cruisers. If there are stayed only battleships I leave my drone alone. I have 10-15-20 min (nearly 1.5 min per battleship`s kill) so I go for beer, toilet, phone, whatever.
This is safe missioning, but SLOWWWW. Probably Gila is not for blitz (I never tried, how I said I am grasping, my heart starts bleeding if I have to leave loot or whreck in space).
Thus I usually reach 12-15 mil/hour with 5 mil SP pilot.
When I say SLOW it is more feeling than reality I think. Few days ago I bought Raven, just to compare, stuck on them some expensive modules to offset low skills and tried 2-3 missions. Yes, it is faster (but not much or maybe I do something wrong), and frigates are real pain.
My average time per mission (travel/full bounty/loot/salvage):
Scarlet GÇô 1h 15-20 min with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
World Collide GÇô 2h 20-30 min with 5 re-warps - 3 to drop somewhat loot in nearest hangar, 2 GÇô because my structure starts smoke. Only mission I have to re-warp to save Gila or drones. There are too many elite frigates and elite cruisers in both second pokets, and full agroGǪ. Only once I managed to do this without re-warp.
Assault GÇô 1h, shield before last cruiser be killed usually drops to 24%, no re-warps.
Gone Berserk - ~1h (shield 90%) with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
Blockade GÇô I have not received yet.
Fly in save!
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Selune Starlight
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.04.16 13:51:27 -
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@Schmata Bastanold O.O I have never thought of it that way - I guess we're all part of the same cycle one way or another...it's funny both prey and predator in the same cycle :P
@Yolli Sly Hallo Yolli no need to be so reserved here on the forums - it's anonymous and technically we're all strangers..so fire away :) There is nothing to take wrong/offense at - Actually I should be thanking you for giving experiences/fits/opinions which improve my own gameplay and make my life easier.
Gila is pretty capable - just like Ishtar - everyone keeps on praising this powerful ship. From your fit I can see that it's very powerful but for me I am really anxious about getting ganked - blame it on my prior experiences - so a super "boulder-like" rattlesnake which also has high dps makes me feel comfortable.
I learned after posting in the forums that "Blitzing" means finishing missions fast for LP gain without killing anything more than the required objectives/ships. I am the same as you - I can't really feel comfortable without taking out all enemies and opening/salvaging everything. My hoarder mentality which likes trophies will never let me be at peace otherwise :) |
Schmata Bastanold
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
3052
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Posted - 2015.04.16 17:09:13 -
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Yolli Sly wrote:
My average time per mission (travel/full bounty/loot/salvage):
Scarlet GÇô 1h 15-20 min with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
World Collide GÇô 2h 20-30 min with 5 re-warps - 3 to drop somewhat loot in nearest hangar, 2 GÇô because my structure starts smoke. Only mission I have to re-warp to save Gila or drones. There are too many elite frigates and elite cruisers in both second pokets, and full agroGǪ. Only once I managed to do this without re-warp.
Assault GÇô 1h, shield before last cruiser be killed usually drops to 24%, no re-warps.
Gone Berserk - ~1h (shield 90%) with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
Blockade GÇô I have not received yet.
Fly in save!
Omg... those times are horrible! If I would have to spent 1hr on 1 mission and don't get hefty payout I would just stop running L4s. I never had gila so I can't really say anything about your fit but geez, 15 mil/hr from bounties LP and loot? Seems horribly low. Although you say 5mil SP so I guess not everything gila related at V.
But I have same thing with leaving loot behind as you do. I don't salvage though just hoover everything with MTU and leave wrecks. Switching to and flying in my noctis takes too long considering how cheap salvage is.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:00:49 -
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Confirming those times are horrible and you should go back to running lvl3s, you will make more isk.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Dark Nexxus
S I L E N T.
146
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Posted - 2015.04.16 21:52:31 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Yolli Sly wrote:
My average time per mission (travel/full bounty/loot/salvage):
Scarlet GÇô 1h 15-20 min with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
World Collide GÇô 2h 20-30 min with 5 re-warps - 3 to drop somewhat loot in nearest hangar, 2 GÇô because my structure starts smoke. Only mission I have to re-warp to save Gila or drones. There are too many elite frigates and elite cruisers in both second pokets, and full agroGǪ. Only once I managed to do this without re-warp.
Assault GÇô 1h, shield before last cruiser be killed usually drops to 24%, no re-warps.
Gone Berserk - ~1h (shield 90%) with 1 re-warp on Badger to grab loot.
Blockade GÇô I have not received yet.
Fly in save!
Omg... those times are horrible! If I would have to spent 1hr on 1 mission and don't get hefty payout I would just stop running L4s. I never had gila so I can't really say anything about your fit but geez, 15 mil/hr from bounties LP and loot? Seems horribly low. Although you say 5mil SP so I guess not everything gila related at V. But I have same thing with leaving loot behind as you do. I don't salvage though just hoover everything with MTU and leave wrecks. Switching to and flying in my noctis takes too long considering how cheap salvage is.
yeap worlds collide i did in 20 minutes
scarlet i normaly took my time and still did it between 20 and 40 minutes
gone berserk 10 minutes max 15 with full clean
assault normaly 20 minutes with bad jamms up to 40 minutes
blockade i cant say as i declined them without marauder, ewar is rly a ***** there
can say on the other hand my start with a dual repped domi was around that time schmata mentioned.
for cleaning the missions i would chain maybe 5 or 6 and drop an mtu in each and coming back with a 8 salvager II and t2 salvage tackle noctis |
Selune Starlight
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.04.17 07:34:40 -
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I guess no matter what ship/fittings we use unless we have the required Skill mastery and proper piloting/target selection we can't fight as well as we want. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
1441
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Posted - 2015.04.25 14:27:23 -
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it's also part of the fitting process
what makes 1 fitting better than another is something you learn from tinkering in pyfa/eft and then testing it live
it's the 1 downside to running with suggested fits
you don't learn the WHY it's a good fitting
it's a 5 step process
design, assemble, test, review, repeat
and keep having fun |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1169
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Posted - 2015.04.25 15:36:01 -
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I like the above post. You should just take a very standard fit and go test it, find out what you don't like about it and fix those parts. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15646
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Posted - 2015.04.26 04:14:01 -
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Nothing will beat the mach for isk/hr in level 4s.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
284
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:16:17 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nothing will beat the mach for isk/hr in level 4s.
Only if you know how to blitz. |
Selune Starlight
The Scope
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.04.27 18:19:53 -
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@Kitty Bear - Solid advice I want to do it too but sadly can't test all the combinations I want due to RL time issues. I can only play actively for a few hours every week. But I have been trying the suggested fits here and in the forums with my own modifications and it is working well :)
Mach is good but only if the pilot knows how to fly it properly and sadly I skilled in Missiles and Lasers not Projectiles so stuck there |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
15742
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:16:11 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nothing will beat the mach for isk/hr in level 4s. Only if you know how to blitz.
EVE-survival has blitz guides normally at the bottom, follow then and you will do grand
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Rexxorr
Zero Corp Tax3
76
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Posted - 2015.04.29 05:01:09 -
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Nowadays when running missions ill use a mach, or if I want to loot/salvage, paladin/vargur. For a epic arc ill use a golem.
From time to time I will use a rattlesnake and it will remind me of why I dont use it to run missions.
gl. |
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