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Famine Aligher'ri V i L e	Posted - 2006.10.29 06:52:00 - [1] For the record, Pirates are not combat pilots. That means, on avg a pirate does not fit to go and pvp honorably. We use tactics most honorable combat corps don't use. Like for example, sniping at gates in empire. That's not a very honorable or skillful tactic to use. So why do we use it, well to farm ISK. If you have it in your head that real pirates fight straight up, then you don't know what a real pirate is. Sure you might know some pirate corp that will go head to head with your combat corp. That's cool and all, but realisticly it's not a very smart pirate thing to do. Why you ask? Well, someone has to lose something. Fighting fair is losing fair. Which means losing ISK. What's to gain from even battles if both parties lose and win and gain nothing? Honor? That's not a pirate. So why am I posting this? Well I need something to linky people to in space. I come across a lot of different alliances that don't understand why it is I fit stabs. I fit stabs because I am a pirate. I am almost always solo at that. If I was a honorable pvp fighter, I wouldn't. However, I'm not. I'm gaining ISK off kills and being able to escape. Escape solo and escape 3 vs 1. Which works in my favor because I only want ISK. I like to think, for every pilot you have holding your hand in space. Is every 1 stab I fit on my ship. It kind of balances it out really. You have a hard time catching me due to stabs and I have a hard time of breaking you away from the hug fest in your regions. Both rather annoying you see. Vile - Recruiting Pirates
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 07:10:00 - [2] Enjoy your stabs in Kali. -- Eh... 24k? I can't make a sig that doesn't suck and keep it under 24k. Oh well.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 07:18:00 - [3] Yeah, a lot of people who pirate delude themselves that they're doing something "honorable". We don't mine, we don't complex-farm (well, I don't), we don't rat (extremely seldomly), and some of us (me included) don't use alts that do missions, or whatnot. Then the main source of income is piracy. To me, it's nothing personal. It's whatever keeps me rich. I never use stabs though. But being solo, and having wingmen are different sorts of combat. I'm glad I never relied on WCS, particularly now in Kali when they're nerfed. [ore mongers, recruiting]
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e	Posted - 2006.10.29 07:19:00 - [4] nerfed or not, point is pirates arn't suppost to be honorable combat pilots. Don't stray from the topic, really doesn't matter what gets nerfed. Talking about right now and right here. Vile - Recruiting Pirates
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 07:26:00 - [5] Edited by: tiller on 29/10/2006 07:33:09 I agree totally here. Honor is of no moment to a pirate, im in it for the fun and isk... if it explodes and smacks me then job well done. Doesn't matter how it's achieved. Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 10:59:00 - [6] pfft.. real pirates have honor.. atleast i did.. when i was active pirating..
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:04:00 - [7] Warp core stabilizers on combat setups is abusing the module. A pirate is fast, a pirate strikes quick and gets out again. But to be invulnerable in nearly EVERY 1on1 situation is neither "being fast" nor "striking quick and get out again". Do you really think that pirates in real-life have warpcorestabilizers that make em invulnerable?
Sanka Cofie Amarr Ministry of Silly Walks	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:19:00 - [8] Originally by: Chode Rizoum pfft.. real pirates have parrots.. atleast i did.. when i was active pirating.. FYP. What happened to the parrot?
Sanka Cofie Amarr Ministry of Silly Walks	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Tassi Do you really think that pirates in real-life have warpcorestabilizers that make em invulnerable? Jeez. Are WCS supposed to make you invulnerable? I'm going to petition a caracal loss then... there is no way those 20 assorted frigates and tech2 cruisers would have killed me if my invulnerability-stab wasn't bugged.
NightmareX Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:29:00 - [10] I'm not using WCS for 3 reasons. Reason 1: I'm not a ***** that are afraid of loosing some ships. Reason 2: WCS are totaly gimping your fighting setup. Reason 3: Better not use WCS when Kali is coming, since if you are using 2 WCS on a Vagabond, then your lock range will go from 65 to 16km + your lock time will be a lot longer

Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:52:00 - [11] Are you that insecure in your method of play that you have to make a weekly topic explaining the motivation behind it?
Riddick06	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Pestillence Are you that insecure in your method of play that you have to make a weekly topic explaining the motivation behind it? Hey pirates have an e-peen to stroke as well
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:42:00 - [13] I don't refuse to fit stabs because I'm one of those "Honorable Pirate" types, I refuse to fit them because I like a good fight and I'm not lame, the same reason I refuse to fit all my ships with ECM, same reason my Domi doesn't have ECM fitted on it. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Mathra mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:49:00 - [14] Wether you fit stabs or not, it's up to you. Who the H*LL cares what everyone else thinks? That's one of the main reasons why pirates are pirates, because they couldn't care less about what the carebears think about them. Some people pay for insureance, some use stabs, some do both, some live dangerously. Who would you like to be? I couldn't care less...
MeGrand Gallente Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:58:00 - [15] Pirates are nasty blood thirst and unpleasent - no thats fine Just quit complaning we don't like you when you behave like that All the right letters - just not nessacarily in the right order
Robbie Boozecruise Caldari Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:18:00 - [16] stabs what are they. my geddon has 3x tracking enhancer ll 3x heat sink ll 2x RCU ll 10.36 dmg mod 191km optimum 4tw
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:59:00 - [17] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 29/10/2006 16:00:16 Originally by: NightmareX I'm not using WCS for 3 reasons. Reason 1: I'm not a ***** that are afraid of loosing some ships. Reason 2: WCS are totaly gimping your fighting setup. Reason 3: Better not use WCS when Kali is coming, since if you are using 2 WCS on a Vagabond, then your lock range will go from 65 to 16km + your lock time will be a lot longer I don't fly a vagabond silly :) I could quote about a time in a certain command ship someone had WCS's fitted. Benglade could come refresh my memory on you. I could also quote a time about a certain somebody who carebears pretty hardcore for such ships plus the one in her signature. Real Piracy > You... Stop turning these into WCS's whine threads Vile - Recruiting Pirates
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:07:00 - [18] Originally by: NightmareX I'm not using WCS for 3 reasons. Reason 1: I'm not a ***** that are afraid of loosing some ships. Reason 2: WCS are totaly gimping your fighting setup. Reason 3: Better not use WCS when Kali is coming, since if you are using 2 WCS on a Vagabond, then your lock range will go from 65 to 16km + your lock time will be a lot longer when you are pvping with your corpmates, having wcs hurts them more than anything else. That wcs could be another damage mod to kill the targets. All 3 points are right on target. This corp is recruiting. Billboard Project
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.10.29 16:12:00 - [19] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Then the main source of income is piracy. Pretty sad since my carebear alt lives off the piracy. easyer to sell loot on empire then to stick it on the market in lowsec, though it does bring ore targets somtimes. /me pets his skillbooks, been thur so much :D --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
Agent2 Holtze Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Chode Rizoum pfft.. real pirates have honor.. atleast i did.. when i was active pirating.. lol Didn't you place an alt in a small danish corp just so you knew where they were each time you needed easy kills. so much for your honor. Posting and you!

Akane Miyamoto Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:15:00 - [21] So all the closerange pirates-- Aren't pirates? And because I kill and ransom people for fun and not ISK, I'm not a pirate?
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:57:00 - [22] Originally by: Agent2 Holtze Originally by: Chode Rizoum pfft.. real pirates have honor.. atleast i did.. when i was active pirating.. lol Didn't you place an alt in a small danish corp just so you knew where they were each time you needed easy kills. so much for your honor. hehehe was this your corp ? seems like someones angry.... anyways when i say honor i think of accepting 1on1s and not cheating, and dont be a moron when ransoming and blowing people op. and ofc not wear stabs...thats pirate honor
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:58:00 - [23] and afaik.. i have enough easy kills in 0.0
NightmareX Caldari MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 29/10/2006 16:00:16 Originally by: NightmareX I'm not using WCS for 3 reasons. Reason 1: I'm not a ***** that are afraid of loosing some ships. Reason 2: WCS are totaly gimping your fighting setup. Reason 3: Better not use WCS when Kali is coming, since if you are using 2 WCS on a Vagabond, then your lock range will go from 65 to 16km + your lock time will be a lot longer I don't fly a vagabond silly :) I could quote about a time in a certain command ship someone had WCS's fitted. Benglade could come refresh my memory on you. I could also quote a time about a certain somebody who carebears pretty hardcore for such ships plus the one in her signature. Real Piracy > You... Stop turning these into WCS's whine threads Hehe i didn't say that you was using a Vagabond, i was saying "IF" you was using a Vagabond, then you would get nerfed from 65 to 16 km lock range etc
Agent2 Holtze Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.29 21:19:00 - [25] Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 29/10/2006 21:24:55 Originally by: Chode Rizoum Originally by: Agent2 Holtze Originally by: Chode Rizoum pfft.. real pirates have honor.. atleast i did.. when i was active pirating.. lol Didn't you place an alt in a small danish corp just so you knew where they were each time you needed easy kills. so much for your honor. hehehe was this your corp ? seems like someones angry.... anyways when i say honor i think of accepting 1on1s and not cheating, and dont be a moron when ransoming and blowing people op. and ofc not wear stabs...thats pirate honor Not my corp, it was a small mining corp, and what honor it is you are showing :), would have been fair if you tried to do it in x13, those pesky little miners don't know what they are doing anyway ;) I just couldn't resist seeing you try to look so sacred Posting and you!
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.30 07:02:00 - [26] scared ? :S i have alts in alot of corps
John Bishop Caldari Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:55:00 - [27] i disagree with the op i am a pirate an honorable one, alot would dissagre. but hear me out. a honorable pirate will honor a ransom, and will allow his prey to escape death for a fee. his word is good and true. an honorable pilot tends to not smack talk much, instead he holds his tounge knowing that most hate him for what he is. and in my opinion an honorable pirate hunts those who alow themselfs to be hunted. he does not sit in jita with a positive sec standing pretending to need help then gank those who would help him. those are more like murderers and conmen. when you see me in local you have no doubt what i am, i do not hide it, i do not trick you into fasle pretenses. pirates are buisness men on the wrong side of the law, and there is honor in that. _______________________________________________ sorry for the spelling and gramtic errors,,, im a redneck cowboy what did you expect anyways????
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:21:00 - [28] Edited by: Luke Pubcrawler on 30/10/2006 13:21:42 I work on the simple assumption that all pirates are by definition criminal lowlife pondscum and not to be trusted (note this means pirate CHARACTERS, not the RL people who play them, I make no judgement about a persons RL character from his choice to pirate.) Some pirates may choose to operate in what is generally consider to be an honourable fashion, some don't. Some therefore get treated with a little more respect than others some don't. How a pirate fits his ship has nothing to do with honour. As a non pirate I do not care if he fits stabs or not. If he honours ransoms, avoids smack and does not scam newbs into ganging with him to earn kills (or similar pitiful behaviour) he maintains a degree of credibility and earns some respect as an opponent however he fits his ship. I don't have to like pirates to acknowledge professional behaviour when I see it.
JoeTabard	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:53:00 - [29] Edited by: JoeTabard on 30/10/2006 13:53:18 true... for the sake of roleplay pirates aren't supposed to be honorable. Pirates lie cheat steal kill and live for the isk. However, there's something to keep in mind, you may think that what you do is a necessary thing but on top of pirating strategies (sniping at 250km and not giving anyone a chance to fight back) there's players to keep in mind. a player like a carebear that cares nothing for pvp but making money in the honest way. That's a lot of time invested into the game. Griefing and ruining peoples game experience just because you think it makes your flaccid member twitch, is a horrible thing. the WCS nerf was long overdue..... your "i win" button has been nullified. You, my obtuse friend, have been pirated.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.30 14:23:00 - [30] Originally by: John Bishop i disagree with the op i am a pirate an honorable one, alot would dissagre. but hear me out. a honorable pirate will honor a ransom, and will allow his prey to escape death for a fee. his word is good and true. an honorable pilot tends to not smack talk much, instead he holds his tounge knowing that most hate him for what he is. and in my opinion an honorable pirate hunts those who alow themselfs to be hunted. he does not sit in jita with a positive sec standing pretending to need help then gank those who would help him. those are more like murderers and conmen. when you see me in local you have no doubt what i am, i do not hide it, i do not trick you into fasle pretenses. pirates are buisness men on the wrong side of the law, and there is honor in that. signed



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