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evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:03:00 - [1] I have a friend recently get his Hulk, 500 million ISK and very happy. Also very careful. We decided today to enter an 0.4 system normally very peaceful, I was on guard with my domnix and I had friends next door in case trouble came. 3 BCs warp in and all charged assault the Hulk and destoryed it. There was not even time to request a ransom. Now my friend is 1 hulk poorer and really upset about it. We would have paid 100 million just to be left alone and move out of system. As you guys know how "wonderful" insurance on the hulk is. So the question here is should a pirate ransom or just blow every ship up? Seems like such a bad business decision. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Skawl GeoTech	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:05:00 - [2] The cargo was potentially worth more than the ransom woulda been...
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:06:00 - [3] you can blame the people who do the follwing for this type of event: 1) people who will flame and insult someone who asks for a ransom 2) people who use ransom talks as a delyay to get reinforcments in 3) the sheer amount of people who go around advicing people not to pay ransoms. 4) the amount of peole who will rather die than pay a ransom all of the above and more im sure make it a waste of time for most pirates (and bear in mind what makes you think they were pirates? they could of been gankers), especialy on a ship like a hulk wehre there is a chance of getting DCSM 2 RAM is recruiting
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:06:00 - [4] It's entirely the individual's choice. If they want to ransom, they ransom. If they want to cut the ship from under you and loot the wreckage, then it's their choice. You best bet when someone hostile gets into local is to be somewhere else if you have no intention of fighting. WWW.VETO-CORP.COM
Deadeye Dave Amarr DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:09:00 - [5] Originally by: evistin So the question here is should a pirate ransom or just blow every ship up? Seems like such a bad business decision. They don't have to ransom if they don't want to. Considering that the Hulk had friends nearby they might of not had time to ransom or may have got blown up while trying to ransom. If you want to guard from people in lowsec I suggest you take a Scorpion aswell as your Dominix so you can ECM any pirates that may enter local and try to rush the Hulk. Ofcourse always stay aligned for station and if any pirates do enter local get your Mining Barges safe.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:13:00 - [6] Thanks, I guess my friend and I need to learn more to mine safely in a hulk, the turning raidus was the problem. oh well. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:15:00 - [7] Originally by: evistin ... I was on guard with my domnix and I had friends next door in case trouble came. That was the decision maker. Most would rather pop and loot. If your friend was alone in the hulk, they would have ransomed him. --------- It's great being a Caldari, ain't it? Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Ogdru Jahad Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:19:00 - [8] having had done a similar thing my self with my previous chr.. Your friend in the next system, was he watching the only gate into the system? did you guys not safe spot as soon as they appeared in local? if he was watching the only gate in why didnt he mention 3 ships of war were a comming? as i said. in a previous chrs life I could not resist popping a hulk all on my lonesome. including his mate ina covie and they had no protection. my advice is. be more aware in futre. gimmie a buzz in game, -
ObiDoom Kenobi Gallente The Senators of The Confederation Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:33:00 - [9] I don't think pirates will do what they think is in their best interests. With a Dominix standing right there and high sec just a jump away (where reinforcements could and were waiting) it makes perfect sense to explode and run. Like someone said, if the hulk had been alone it very well may have been ransomed. If I may so bold as suggest the following. Mine in low sec with a regular barge for a while until your comfortable that you've got your "Oh MY GOD RUN AWAY" tactics perfected. Cheaper, and less frustrating then learning at half a billion a pop.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:34:00 - [10] I forgot to mention the reason why we got jumped partly was that they were of postive standing, and after reflection, it would be better to gank and run. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
LaCoHa Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:36:00 - [11] Edited by: LaCoHa on 29/10/2006 11:36:02 3 bc's are not gonna sit there 'ransoming' while your Domis Ogre II's quickly run through them one at a time. I dont blame them in this case. Your buddy might have been better off alone. tbh. "I just slaughtered 28 people in that game of Battlefield 2 and never died. Man my e-p33n feels huge."
Illuminaty ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:37:00 - [12] If your going to attempt to ask your average low sec carebear for a ransom, you had better be sure you have a V-chip installed on your convo window. I've heard people say a lot of things that simply frighten me in this game. Calling someone an e-murderer, a virtual rapist, claiming that someone must be a real life rapist, that they need to be locked in an asylum or executed in real life because they are degenerate scum. It isn't called for, it is way poor sportsmanship, but I hear it thrown around way too much. If you've ever watch the TS Rumble video, it really does an amazing job at pointing out some of the levels of insane rage that people that play this game go to. I can see how it is simply so much easier to just blow them up and pod them instead of putting up with the drama.
Elliot Reid Gallente Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:50:00 - [13] Originally by: evistin 3 BCs warp in and all charged assault the Hulk and destoryed it. Well there lies your mates problem. Once these unknowns entered the system he should have warped to a safespot and not start to worry about them once they've warped in and locked him.
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:55:00 - [14] once again, you and your friend could have avoided the whole thhing if you had used your head. lowsec is risk, cant handle it? stay in highsec -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.29 11:59:00 - [15] I would like to thank all the players who provided a educated response to my post, versus those who have not read the post in full. I have much to still learn, I look to you all help me master this game. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Securion Wolfheart Caldari Semper Fidelis Industries	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:20:00 - [16] Just like there are ppl walking our streets looking for things to trash and destroy, there will be the same kinda ppl online doing the same thing. Only that those doing it online are to small and weak to do it IRL. :) -----====----- Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.
Ironnight	Posted - 2006.10.29 12:59:00 - [17] So what are the going randsom rates?
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:02:00 - [18] What makes you think they blew you up for money in the first place? They blew you up for a Hulk killmail. --- Lisento Slaven wants to be a Space Whaler in EVE. Put in space whales!
monkeyking1 The Roughneck's	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:04:00 - [19] Would have ransomed only for teh domi started atking so we blew u up woudl ahve ransomed if the domi was a mining domi like i taught :s
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Ironnight So what are the going randsom rates? As high as you think they are willing to pay to avoid the boring tasks of buying a new ship and finding new modules. It could take hours, and isnt fun. I havent pirated people in a while now, but when I did, almost everybody payed pretty good money to be left alone. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:08:00 - [21] no hard feelings monkey, its our bad for not being more careful, but it was a good fight. Held up against all you tech 2 fitting BCs. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Tas Devil JUDGE DREAD Inc. Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:09:00 - [22] Originally by: evistin I have a friend recently get his Hulk, 500 million ISK and very happy. Also very careful. We decided today to enter an 0.4 system normally very peaceful, I was on guard with my domnix and I had friends next door in case trouble came. 3 BCs warp in and all charged assault the Hulk and destoryed it. There was not even time to request a ransom. Now my friend is 1 hulk poorer and really upset about it. We would have paid 100 million just to be left alone and move out of system. As you guys know how "wonderful" insurance on the hulk is. So the question here is should a pirate ransom or just blow every ship up? Seems like such a bad business decision. lol what a good guard you made... Tas The best Laugh ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this ! This includes bad language... so beware
St3v3sancho The Roughneck's	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:10:00 - [23] Quote: Just like there are ppl walking our streets looking for things to trash and destroy, there will be the same kinda ppl online doing the same thing. Only that those doing it online are to small and weak to do it IRL. :) Stupid quote of the day goes to this anus.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.29 13:40:00 - [24] Ransoms are very much pirates-choice. Most decent pirates do, as they know they can make a steadier buck. They were probably scared off of ransoming by the Domi, seeing as its more than capable of taking out a BC if they're unlucky. Like a guy above said though, they might have just wanted a Hulk kill for their killboards. I hope not, thats a pretty childish way to pirate. Real pirates have a bussiness plan -----------------------------------------------
Faol'gus T Miners	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:21:00 - [25] That's the beauty of being a pirate, you can do whatever you want. Ransom if your lazy or blow something up without ransoming it, just for ****s and giggles.
Parsava Dei Caldari Pegasus Industries LTD	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:33:00 - [26] Auch... such a loss hurts... But indeed, ransom depends on what the pirate's wish is: loot or release fee.
Xs 142	Posted - 2006.10.29 14:37:00 - [27] What kinda question is that?! Pirates are pirates and they won't under any circumstance listen to any kind of 'agreement' you put out here.. Besides. Don't. Fly. What. You. Can't. Afford. To. Lose. Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:16:00 - [28] I don't much care for pirates myself... in fact our alliance is doing it's best to clean up a system we're in right now. That said: Mining Barge (especially the hulk) is potentially wortha LOT more than 100mil ISK... hell it's potentially worth more than 500m ISK depending on the cargo and fittings. I can understand why the pirates popped it. That's one heck of a payday for them. However, you could have easily avoided the situation by keeping the hulk aligned. Also a good idea to mine AWAY from the warp-in point. Fields are big... no way if you move to the edge while mining that you'll get jumped that quickly. Even moving just 40k from the warp-in location will give you more than enough time to get to warp before an enemy can finish warp, head your way, and land a scrambler on you.
DarkElf Caldari Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.10.29 15:54:00 - [29] The thing is as soon as u saw them u no doubt called for backup from the next system so when u choose to ransom u take a big risk and it has to be dam quick. Also remember that just because they blew up ur hulk doesn't mean they are pirates as such. They might just enjoy blowing stuff up which in my book doesn't make them a pirate. I rarely ransom myself because tbh i really don't need the isk and only ever ransom when they ask me 2 because they're skint or if it's a faction ship or something. i once found a lone hulk which i ransomed because he begged me 2 and my mercy crept in and he was alone in system. Generally they might hav just prefered the pretty killmail to a pitiful 33mil each. DE
Gneeznow	Posted - 2006.10.29 17:17:00 - [30] Evistin, sorry for your corp mates loss, but like monkeyking said if the nos domi was not there we would have ransomed. The ferox and cyclone were all tech 1 fitted btw, it was the prophecy that was the gang lead and T2 fitted.
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:01:00 - [31] Egh, its a matter of personal choice, really. Back when I was a pirate, I generally tried to randsom whenever possible. I just thought it was more fun that way, really. Signature graphic removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the graphic in question) - Jacques([email protected])
Tek'a Rain Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.10.29 19:13:00 - [32] killboard, definatly "zomg, I are a l33t pirate luk at all mi killz on these b4rg3s" Foiritan Is Our Man
Zatho Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.10.29 20:01:00 - [33] Originally by: St3v3sancho Quote: Just like there are ppl walking our streets looking for things to trash and destroy, there will be the same kinda ppl online doing the same thing. Only that those doing it online are to small and weak to do it IRL. :) Stupid quote of the day goes to this anus. Of the day? I laughed aloud when I read it
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:19:00 - [34] Originally by: Gneeznow Evistin, sorry for your corp mates loss, but like monkeyking said if the nos domi was not there we would have ransomed. The ferox and cyclone were all tech 1 fitted btw, it was the prophecy that was the gang lead and T2 fitted. Curious why did you not just attack the domni instead of the hulk, you mention you thought it was a normaly barge. You guys charged in and took the hulk out 1st. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
monkeyking1 The Roughneck's	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:41:00 - [35] i saw u were in a hulk on scaner we were going to ransom til the domi started nosing so i issued teh order to pop u and then atck teh domi
Gneeznow Minmatar Boob Heads	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:51:00 - [36] Originally by: evistin Originally by: Gneeznow Evistin, sorry for your corp mates loss, but like monkeyking said if the nos domi was not there we would have ransomed. The ferox and cyclone were all tech 1 fitted btw, it was the prophecy that was the gang lead and T2 fitted. Curious why did you not just attack the domni instead of the hulk, you mention you thought it was a normaly barge. You guys charged in and took the hulk out 1st. when we warped in the hulk was 4500 metres away from us and top of the overview, thus it got warp scrambled first while we tried to figure out if the dominix was mining or not, dominix started spitting drones at us so all bets were off. Either way it was the ferox pilots first PvP outing and we arent exactly the most organized ppl and when monkeyking1 is involved comedy mischief ganking is bound to happen . . . . . .
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2006.10.30 00:54:00 - [37] Originally by: monkeyking1 Would have ransomed only for teh domi started atking so we blew u up woudl ahve ransomed if the domi was a mining domi like i taught :s No need to stall these negotiations, the other guy will do it for you. What you say? Looking For Ventrilo Hosting
Sylper Illysten	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:08:00 - [38] Edited by: Sylper Illysten on 30/10/2006 01:08:42 Just another example of players who want to blow up anything so they can sit around and chortle about how good they are. "OMG did you see how fast that hulk blew up!" It's an unarmed ship folks, it's like sniping newbies in a BS, a complete load of garbage. Pirate == Griefer.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Sylper Illysten Edited by: Sylper Illysten on 30/10/2006 01:08:42 Just another example of players who want to blow up anything so they can sit around and chortle about how good they are. "OMG did you see how fast that hulk blew up!" It's an unarmed ship folks, it's like sniping newbies in a BS, a complete load of garbage. Pirate == Griefer. Scramble the Hulk, take out the Dominix and there you have it, excuses about wanting to ransom but being unable is utter bull****.
DefJam101 Gallente Praxiteles Inc. E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:51:00 - [40] I ransom when I A. The ship is very expensive and obviously not ready for combat B. The other person did not fight back C. The person requests a ransom, in which case I usually make it higher than normal ...although you probably could've just done a barrel roll. Signature removed - Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques([email protected])
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:53:00 - [41] Originally by: monkeyking1 i saw u were in a hulk on scaner we were going to ransom til the domi started nosing so i issued teh order to pop u and then atck teh domi The Kill mail has you as the one who killed the hulk, so you have to be still firing on it when that happen. Oh well it does not matter anymore. Just got to work on getting another one for my corp mate. ----------- Management and Leadership û The Eve-online Guide
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.30 01:54:00 - [42] ransoming is rarely profitable --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Sahne MuhMuh	Posted - 2006.10.30 02:55:00 - [43] The killmail and a crying carebear is more worth than 100mill isk. And a Hulk on scanner is a invention for every pirate to come in.
X ChaosX Panzershrek Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:18:00 - [44] I don't ransom anymore until the stab nerf comes. Offered a ransom to a ferox I beat in a thoraxe and he ended up getting away, when if I wouldn't have ransomed I wouldve killed him. ___ Originally by: Bill Shankly i see your another one of those lousy pirates that cant fight fair and call yourself apvper, what a joke u are. Don't represent corp or alliance blah blah
Bunny Boo Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.30 03:34:00 - [45] In this case, the ship kill/killmail is worth more to me than a ransom.
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:46:00 - [46] Hmmm... 100mil or the fun factor from blowing up 500+ mil isk in one go... I'd go for fun myself :)
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:53:00 - [47] I gave up expecting logical decisions from players sometime ago. Recently I got killed and podded in 0.0, not complaining as it was my failt for taking a risk. I had collected a pile of unsaleable junk ratting and needed to haul it somewhere for reprocessing, so I filled up a Sigil, fitted a couple of stabs,nano, minimal tank and tried a quick run to a station with reprocessing. Unfortunately at the one gate I did not have an insta for I ran into trouble. A player with positive sec from a neutral alliance not known for piracy and in an area at least 10 jumps from there claimed territory, flying a Hugnnin. So I took the chance and ran for the gate. Anyway he killed me, which although annoying I can understand as the loot might be worth something (it wasnt really but he couldnt have known that). Podding me earned him a killmail it is true but frankly he might have gotten a ransom out of it had he asked. Not much as that body had no real implants but he might have done. All he has achieved to to ensure that I will kill and pod him or his alliance mates when I come across them, and I do see them in this section of space, often alone and quite vulnerable as it is fairly uncontested and peaceful. Had he at least attempted a ransom I would not feel so strongly about it.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.10.30 08:58:00 - [48] Originally by: dantes inferno you can blame the people who do the follwing for this type of event: 1) people who will flame and insult someone who asks for a ransom 2) people who use ransom talks as a delyay to get reinforcments in 3) the sheer amount of people who go around advicing people not to pay ransoms. 4) the amount of peole who will rather die than pay a ransom You forgot: 5) The stories from people that paid the ransom and then got blown up anyways ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.

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