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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.04.15 11:43:02 -
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Alliance logo submissions have now re-opened!
Please be aware that the submission process has completely changed, as have the requirements. As such, you will need to refresh your memory with regards to how to submit your alliance logo in order to have it displayed in game.
Please read this thread fully to ensure that you comply with the requirements for an alliance logo to be added to the game for your organization. This will also ensure that you submit your alliance in the correct manner, and in the correct format.
Submission Style Guidelines
Below are a list of aesthetic guidelines that will assist you in making sure that your logo has a high chance of approval.
Design & Theme:
- Alliance logos should be designed so that they look and feel like they belong within the futuristic, dark and dystopian EVE universe.
- Logos with themes like warfare, corporations, science and space have a higher chance of approval.
- Reference to historical themes or imagery should be subtle. A well designed and modified version of a historical object that is designed to fit in the EVE Universe will in most case have a higher chance of approval than the definite interpretation of it.
- Many concept and ideas from earth have evolved or been forgotten in the EVE Universe. Remember this when designing your logo.
- Common everyday motives/objects like mobile phones, modern guns, modern vehicles that fit poorly within the genre should be avoided.
Art Style:
- Cartoon images have a lower chance of approval, but if they are well produced, follow all the other requirements, then they will most likely approved.
- Simple flat and abstract designs fit best in the EVE setting and have a higher chance of approval. They are also more recognizable, easier to read from the distance and work better when scaled down.
- Try to use classic, modern or futuristic fonts. Fonts like Papyrus, Lucida Handwriting and Brush Script don't fit in the EVE universe.
- Use of Comic Sans will result in liberal application of spaceship violence.
- Avoid using Photoshop filters like Lens Flare, Emboss, Blur and other such filters.
- Textures should be avoided in your logo submissions.
Colors:
- Colors should be chosen within the color range used in the EVE universe. That means colors should generally not be too saturated or bright or they will look like they belong in a different color space than the ship and its surroundings.
- Try to keep color harmony in mind. Try to use analogous colors and not too many complimentary colors together.
- Punch colors/complimentary colors: sometimes a single color can be a little brighter or more saturated to make the image GÇ£popGÇ£ or look more interesting.
Final pass:
In some cases a very minor tweak to the design like adjusting the brightness or color is needed for logo approval. In those cases CCP will make those adjustments and approve the logo.
Submission Style Requirements:
- Copyrighted material may not be submitted for use as an alliance logo.
- Real world national symbolism such as flags or crests may not be submitted for use as an alliance logo.
- Political symbolism may not be submitted for use as an alliance logo.
- Religious symbolism may not be submitted for use as an alliance logo.
- Imagery related to narcotics, drugs, slavery and other illegal activity may not be submitted for use as an alliance logo, unless these are clearly based on in game references to existing backstory, factions or organizations.
Submission Technical Requirements:
- Logos must be submitted in 512x512 resolution.
- Formats accepted are 4 channel .PNG or .TGA with three color channels and one alpha (transparency) channel.
- DO NOT use premultiplied alpha
Alliance Requirements:
- Alliances must be formed and active for 12 months before they are eligible to have an alliance logo approved.
- Alliances must contain at least 250 members before they are eligible to have an alliance logo approved.
- Alliance logos must be submitted by the Executor of the Alliance. No other character may submit an alliance logo on behalf of an alliance.
Submission Process:
The alliance logo submission process has been simplified to allow for faster turnaround for alliance logo approvals.
Only the Executor of an alliance may submit a logo for approval.
No other character may do so.
- Before submitting a logo, the Alliance executor should ensure that their email address is updated in account management.
- This email address should be the address from which the logo submission is sent to CCP to verify the identity of the Alliance Executor.
- Once the logo is prepared and the alliance requirements have been met, the logo can be submitted for approval by emailing it as an attachment to [email protected]
- In this email, from the address associated with their EVE Online account, the Alliance Executor will include the following for confirmation:
- Name of the alliance for which the logo has been submitted.
- Name of the executor corporation.
- Name of the CEO of the executor corporation.
- Approximate member count of the alliance.
- Alliance age.
- The logo should be sent as an attachment to this email with formatting as detailed in GÇ£Submission Technical RequirementsGÇ¥
- The logo will be reviewed, and if approved it will be watermarked to create a derivative work, and will be added to the game at the next available release after approval.
- If the logo is rejected, a response will be given detailing the reasoning for rejection.
Notes:
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Catt Stevens
Shadow Legion X
The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.04.15 16:04:43 -
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First?
On a more serious note though, I would really like it more if there were no requirements to have your logo displayed. I mean I have a private alliance I would like to have a logo on :S but now thats not an option |
Yukinoshita
CRY.NET
Nihilists Social Club
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Posted - 2015.04.15 16:13:46 -
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like really?
you guys add an extra 100 member for requirements? thats just f'n great.... |
Twizted Sizter
W-Space IT Department
Test Alliance Please Ignore
56
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Posted - 2015.04.15 16:15:44 -
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Blog post says 6 months, 250 users. Forums post says 12 months, 250 users. Which is it? |
Arkon Olacar
Bearded BattleBears
Brave Collective
532
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Posted - 2015.04.15 16:45:41 -
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From the devblog:
Quote:Will all alliances who have a logo in game right now be automatically approved with a new logo if it is the same as the old one?
No. Any alliance logos submitted after this announcement will need to comply with the new requirements laid out above. If existing logos contain material that is copyrighted by other real world organizations, or content that does not fit within the content guidelines previously explained in this blog, then logos will not be re-approved.
Does this mean that iconic logos for alliances such as Test, Goonswarm Federation and Get Off My Lawn will now be scrapped, because they don't meet some arbitary requirements drummed up by one of the art nerds?
Edit: And if the answer is yes, I'd recommend ignoring whoever came up with these guidelines, and instead talk to someone with a grip on reality.
Warping to zero
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Yukinoshita
CRY.NET
Nihilists Social Club
0
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Posted - 2015.04.15 16:46:28 -
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what happened to the Old requirements?
150 members 6 months |
MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2015.04.15 16:52:17 -
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Quote:Copyrighted material may not be submitted for use as an alliance logo.
This doesn't make sense. According to the Berne Convention, to which Iceland has been a signatory since 1947, all artistic material created, 100% of it, is *instantly* copyrighted when created. It isn't possible for someone to submit a logo that isn't already copyrighted by the creator.
What did you (CCP) intend by the above restriction? (Because what you wrote is nonsense.)
MDD |
SpaceSaft
Capts Deranged Cavaliers
Gentlemen's.Club
144
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Posted - 2015.04.15 16:53:05 -
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Quote:If you have any questions regarding alliance logos and the submission process
Quote:Colors should be chosen within the color range used in the EVE universe. That means colors should generally not be too saturated or bright or they will look like they belong in a different color space than the ship and its surroundings.
Can you be a bit a more specific about what kind of color values you'll not allow?
You're walking a very fine line between dark but fun and just dark. Just so you know.
The UI is still bad.
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Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:04:16 -
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Huh? This is after months of reviewing and designing? You managed to come up with an even more unnecessary complicated, cumbersome and annoying process.
It's just another form of user generated content. Why not handle it properly? Like any other user generated content enabled website/service/application? It's 2015...
Give users tools (or standardize a format) to submit logos, automate the process, accept and publish all submitted content, handle complains and legal issues when they arise to review problematic content only, stream content to the clients without client updates, maybe give community tools to alert and help moderate the content.
Facebook, Microsoft, Valve (Steam), YouTube, image hosting sites, other MMO's etc etc already do it, many of which on a much larger scale than EVE online. All the technical and legal issues have been solved by now.
Seriously.
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Iam Lynch
Vitriolic Animosity
Diplomatic Immunity.
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:13:17 -
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So say, hypothetically, if an alliance wanted to submit a cartoon, bright orange lobster .... that would be a no go? |
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Michael Mach
Arx One
Arx Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:13:56 -
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Yukinoshita wrote:what happened to the Old requirements?
150 members 6 months
Whelp, there goes my alliance logo submission, too. C'mon, CCP. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Multicultural F1 Brigade
957
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:23:30 -
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The member cap feels to be too high.
We're making actual use of the alliance system and want to grow a bit more but never in the multiple-hundred-people region.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Michael Mach
Arx One
Arx Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:31:35 -
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Iam Lynch wrote:So say, hypothetically, if an alliance wanted to submit a cartoon, bright orange lobster .... that would be a no go?
Goonswarm has a brightly colored cartoon bee, so I wouldn't see why the hell not. |
Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:32:58 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:Quote:Copyrighted material may not be submitted for use as an alliance logo. This doesn't make sense. According to the Berne Convention, to which Iceland has been a signatory since 1947, all artistic material created, 100% of it, is *instantly* copyrighted when created. It isn't possible for someone to submit a logo that isn't already copyrighted by the creator. What did you (CCP) intend by the above restriction? (Because what you wrote is nonsense.) MDD
I'd ask Falcon or someone to clarify if I'm wrong, but I believe the intent is to avoid people submitting alliance logos that contain works that were made by individuals/corporations other than the submitter. (IE: someone submits the Borderlands logo for their alliance logo)
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
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Ranamar
Valkyries of Night
Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:34:30 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Cartoon images have a lower chance of approval
Has the art team seen what kinds of things people paint on the sides of military (or non-military, for that matter) vehicles? ... or is their response to close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears?
Also, there's a neon sign depicting a stripper on the Minmatar outpost. Are you telling me we can have a stripper on the side of an outpost but can't have a stripper for an alliance logo? I mean, I'd shoot them on sight, just on principle, but I wouldn't tell them they can't do that.
Some reference material:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nose_art
Yes, the art is very well done; someone took pride in it. Nonetheless, people frequently put cartoons on these things. (And I suspect the main reason it isn't more widespread anymore is because management embarrassed by the kinds of things the operators want to paint on them.) |
SpaceSaft
Capts Deranged Cavaliers
Gentlemen's.Club
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Posted - 2015.04.15 17:51:48 -
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Honestly this is bothering me more than is probably reasonable. One more thing though:
Quote:Futuristic, dark and dystopian EVE universe.
Colors should generally not be too saturated or bright
Cartoon images have a lower chance of approval
The Guristas' symbol is a cartoonish bright orange skull - with bunny ears.
So how about you "fix" your symbols and drain all fun and color from those first.
The UI is still bad.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.04.15 18:35:11 -
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Glad they are back.
Start making new art people.
Yaay!!!!
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Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2015.04.15 18:56:56 -
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Michael Mach wrote:Iam Lynch wrote:So say, hypothetically, if an alliance wanted to submit a cartoon, bright orange lobster .... that would be a no go? Goonswarm has a brightly colored cartoon bee, so I wouldn't see why the hell not.
Yeah but that's different. You watch.
Also, way to alienate even more of your customer base with these "requirements"...
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
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Michael Mach
Arx One
Arx Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:07:04 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Also, way to alienate even more of your customer base with these "requirements"...
Agreed. Thanks, CCP! |
Elana Apgar
DarkMatter-Industries
Upholders
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:13:09 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Alliance logo submissions have now re-opened! Alliance Requirements:
- Alliances must be formed and active for 12 months before they are eligible to have an alliance logo approved.
- Alliances must contain at least 250 members before they are eligible to have an alliance logo approved.
- Alliance logos must be submitted by the Executor of the Alliance. No other character may submit an alliance logo on behalf of an alliance.
Why does the alliance size have to be so large? I understand you don't want to be flooded with requests, but my alliance is 150 members, a healthy size for a wormhole alliance, and yet we are unable to have a logo.
We've literally been waiting months for this to open up and now we're excluded. This is HIGHLY upsetting. |
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Michael Mach
Arx One
Arx Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:34:03 -
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Elana Apgar wrote:
Why does the alliance size have to be so large? I understand you don't want to be flooded with requests, but my alliance is 150 members, a healthy size for a wormhole alliance, and yet we are unable to have a logo.
We've literally been waiting months for this to open up and now we're excluded. This is HIGHLY upsetting.
Even better, they never once mentioned this during fanfest. It's like waking up Christmas morning to find out that not only you have no presents, but Santa dropped a BM down your chimney. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:52:25 -
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If you think Fozzy Sov created a rage .... wait for this to be known. 
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Adarnof
Free Trade Monopoly
You Are Being Monitored
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:16:30 -
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As a wormhole alliance I have absolutely no interest in blowing up to 250 members - the nature of wormholes makes that exceedingly hard to sustain. Are we then excluded from showing our pride with an in-game logo? Member count is not the only way to judge stability.
What does constitute stability? I like to look at member delta - if an alliance is hemorrhaging members or fluctuates by a large percentage, I would call that unstable. Here's my alliance's stats as an example. We're definitely not "stable" at 250 members, but the member count is stable if not growing. I would ask CCP to reconsider this hard member count as it's extremely prohibitive towards some of us smaller groups.
Aside from being flooding with logo submissions, is there any technical reason to prevent smaller alliances from having their own logo? Or is it just a manpower issue? I can understand if for the first few months CCP would rather limit submissions to the larger groups (as there'll surely be a massive day-1 review queue) but once that backlog is cleared I'm sure the reviewers might have enough time to accept some smaller groups' requests.
If CCP insists on enforcing this 250 member count, what's stopping me from temporarily recruiting a corp with 150 alts, submitting a logo, and then kicking it? I see lots of potential for abuse here.
At the end of the day I'm just glad to see logos are once again being accepted, and I feel the compromise of watermarking the content in combination with the concise guidelines on logo content are an excellent solution to the previous system's issues. |
Garnt TheBrobarian
Hole Violence
Whole Squid
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:10:51 -
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Yukinoshita wrote:like really?
you guys add an extra 100 member for requirements? thats just f'n great....
This broke my heart, too. :( |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:14:22 -
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Yeah, 250 members....that's almost all wormhole alliances ruled out.
kinda wishing I didn't kick all those inactive toons a few months back, or we would nearly be there. Pity that 200-odd active people has less weight in this matter than 250 inactive zombie alts.
Prolapse. Taking fights since 2014.
Sudden Buggery. Got duumb? Hola, Batmanuel!
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Garnt TheBrobarian
Hole Violence
Whole Squid
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Posted - 2015.04.16 00:25:34 -
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I guess this is CCP's way of testing if we REALLY want it. If we're willing to jump through the hoops and inflate our numbers with shell corps and/or trial alts, we can pretend to be ~real~ alliances, too.  |
Maria Alana
please be in W-Space
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Posted - 2015.04.16 08:10:27 -
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Probably, any CEO with general copyright knowledge would kick all the legal team and hire decent lawyers.
As already stated: every artistic creation is copyrighted since the very beginning, and as already explained earlier in this troll-development, that concord seal doesn't affect anything regarding logo rights.
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.04.16 08:23:07 -
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Look i am not a goon, and such but this sounds atleast like it's more or less deliberatly targeted at a certain bright yellow BEE...
Now i am not saying Ya'll biased or something but a lesser man then me might wonder... |
Draugo Rana
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
76
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Posted - 2015.04.16 09:01:33 -
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I may be missing something but I don't understand CCP's position on the legal issues with logos.
Conceptually, how is submitting an alliance logo to CCP any different than submitting a user profile picture to Facebook or setting guild logo in Enjin? You don't see Facebook pre approving profile pictures or putting watermarks on them even though they are now being displayed as part of their service and may also contain copyrighted/trademarked material.
Why does CCP feel the need to reinvent the wheel here?
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2015.04.16 10:57:38 -
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Twizted Sizter wrote:Blog post says 6 months, 250 users. Forums post says 12 months, 250 users. Which is it?
6 months, 250 characters.
Forum post has been updated to reflect this.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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