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Miss Dallocort Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.04.15 19:34:32 - [1] - Quote Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........ is considered harassment if at all? Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members) The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts. The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_- Opinions?
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 10738	Posted - 2015.04.15 19:36:00 - [2] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........ is considered harassment if at all? Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members) The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts. The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_- Opinions? ' Someone war decced your npc corp? Petition for hacking.
Paranoid Loyd 4714	Posted - 2015.04.15 19:39:28 - [3] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: Opinions? Not enough periods. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Jenshae Chiroptera 1335	Posted - 2015.04.15 19:42:51 - [4] - Quote Change corporations or go somewhere else like worm holes until they get bored. Train up an alt. Make jump clones far and wide with sets of ships. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 861	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:10:17 - [5] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........ is considered harassment if at all? Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members) The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts. The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_- Opinions? What did you do to annoy someone enough to perma-wardec a 2 man corp? You probably should apologize for what ever it was you did, pay them some ransom and let everyone move on. I am sure that if you are not giving them fights and sort out the diplomatic issue that started this, they will be happy not to keep paying the 50M ISK per week and leave you alone.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 21144	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:29:37 - [6] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........ is considered harassment if at all? Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members) The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts. The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_- Opinions? Confirming that CAS is indeed a 2 man indy corp. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Miss Dallocort Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:44:35 - [7] - Quote Quote: What did you do to annoy someone enough to perma-wardec a 2 man corp? You probably should apologize for what ever it was you did, pay them some ransom and let everyone move on. I am sure that if you are not giving them fights and sort out the diplomatic issue that started this, they will be happy not to keep paying the 50M ISK per week and leave you alone. Literally nothing. We got a mail from them just after the wardec started stating that the wardec wouldn't be stopped until they received 300m isk. I replied stating that we would not be paying the ransom for two reasons, 1, it wouldn't hinder our operations enough to warrant it and 2, there was nothing stopping them wardecing us again. I cant just go on their word. I wouldn't have paid the ransom anyway, just encourag other people do then do it. It's been 4 weeks so far. =D
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1389	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:46:23 - [8] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Miss Dallocort wrote: Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........ is considered harassment if at all? Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members) The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts. The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_- Opinions? Confirming that CAS is indeed a 2 man indy corp. Confirming if I was permadecced and wanted to ask this question I'd post from a character in the corp to draw more decs. Then again I wouldn't as this question on the forums...
Iain Cariaba 1246	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:48:58 - [9] - Quote So in two weeks you can laugh at them for spending more than they demanded in ransom on wardec fees. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better.
Tuttomenui II Aliastra Gallente Federation 303	Posted - 2015.04.15 20:49:54 - [10] - Quote We are not the ones that can answer this question. File a petition.

Miss Dallocort Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:04:33 - [11] - Quote I did make a support ticket to see what the GM would say but he said it was fine for them to continue it forever if they wanted. I was just asking on the forums to get some other peoples opinions.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2043	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:08:10 - [12] - Quote Close the corp, open a new one. If they perpetually stalk you after you have made efforts to get away by changing corp, and changing region of space you operate in, then they actually are starting to tread on the harassment part of the EULA/ToS. Till you bother moving to that extent, it's not harassment.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1335	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:14:58 - [13] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: I did make a support ticket to see what the GM would say but he said it was fine for them to continue it forever if they wanted. I was just asking on the forums to get some other peoples opinions. + New Eden is a harsh universe. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 35928	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:16:42 - [14] - Quote No, it isn't harassment to permadec your indy corp. That's the game mechanic needed for them to be able to shoot you in highsec without Concord, so it's perfectly fine for them to continue to pay that. Best way to deal with it is to put an alt in the indy Corp as CEO (one that never undocks, or eve better one that can cloaky camp) and then drop Corp to NPC Corps for the other 2 characters. Bring them back in when the war is over (they have to wait a minimum of a week to join). They pay NPC Corp taxes while waiting it out, but they will no longer be affected by the wardec. The wardeccers will then just continue paying the fee until they see what has happened. If your alt can cloaky camp, put them in a system that the deccers commonly use and leave them logged in and cloaked, 23/7. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2797	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:27:24 - [15] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: So in two weeks you can laugh at them for spending more than they demanded in ransom on wardec fees. This. If you have an alt use it for the time being, play around with something new on a trial account also the new buddy link is for 30 days so you will have some screw around time. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Miss Dallocort Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:31:28 - [16] - Quote yeah, been doing some FW on an alt and playing GTA5
Avaelica Kuershin 24	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:42:20 - [17] - Quote Iain Cariaba wrote: So in two weeks you can laugh at them for spending more than they demanded in ransom on wardec fees. I can't help thinking that the war-deccers probably get more ransoms paid than people willing to live with the war-dec.
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 12627	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:48:45 - [18] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........ is considered harassment if at all? Never. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 988	Posted - 2015.04.15 21:53:56 - [19] - Quote Three and a half years going and my little 2-man Corp never got decced. Probably has something to do with the fact that we know when to shut up in local (always!) and when to keep a low profile (always!). The high quality of my posts here on the forums undoubtly help as well! Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
HiltoftheDragons Grievance3 65	Posted - 2015.04.15 22:02:20 - [20] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: Quote: What did you do to annoy someone enough to perma-wardec a 2 man corp? You probably should apologize for what ever it was you did, pay them some ransom and let everyone move on. I am sure that if you are not giving them fights and sort out the diplomatic issue that started this, they will be happy not to keep paying the 50M ISK per week and leave you alone. Literally nothing. We got a mail from them just after the wardec started stating that the wardec wouldn't be stopped until they received 300m isk. I replied stating that we would not be paying the ransom for two reasons, 1, it wouldn't hinder our operations enough to warrant it and 2, there was nothing stopping them wardecing us again. I cant just go on their word. I wouldn't have paid the ransom anyway, just encourag other people do then do it. It's been 4 weeks so far. =D Do not pay that ransom...no matter what. Dont give in to folks like that. They are planning on you giving in and making a profit off you. As mention by the other posters, make an alt the ceo and drop from the corp or go play on another toon. Destiny always seems decades away, but suddenly it's not decades away; it's right now. But maybe destiny is always right now, right here, right this very instant, maybe.

Mario Putzo 1187	Posted - 2015.04.15 22:03:01 - [21] - Quote This is why CCP should just get rid of War Decs, and make people who want Concord Protection pay for it. Constant ongoing Wars is harassment. Removing the War Dec system removes potential for harassment through WD mechanics. If everyone is in a constant state of War than there can be no harassment. Down with Wardecs!
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1514	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:22:03 - [22] - Quote You know, some people's harassment is others' business model. If the corp perma-deccing is a merc corp there is a pretty good chance that they were hired by someone else to make this happen. Someone else who is likely very unhappy with said 2 person corp. If it's not a merc corp, then odds are good that someone stepped on someone else's toes in a big way. If it's Cannibal Kane I recommend paying the man. I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1074	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:27:05 - [23] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Change corporations Just want to say this is bullsht. Kaarous Aldurald wrote:* Never. And this is too. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23631	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:31:13 - [24] - Quote If you're the defender use the ally mechanic (if it's still available). There are people out there that will ally with you for free, because they like good fights and shooting other people in the face. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Miss Dallocort Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:39:13 - [25] - Quote Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23632	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:43:11 - [26] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: I was brining in around 6b. That's as good a reason as any to wardec you, I wouldn't be surprised if the ransom just went up, regardless of whether or not you pay it. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2110	Posted - 2015.04.16 01:49:41 - [27] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: If your alt can cloaky camp, put them in a system that the deccers commonly use and leave them logged in and cloaked, 23/7. Err why? So they know not to ever bother running locates on you and that you're a total non-threat? If that's what you're going for by all means, do this. Also either actually fight back, hire mercenaries to do it for you or pay for the surrender. Doing any of those things will be more effective and more entertaining than sitting there passively taking a shafting.
Jenshae Chiroptera 1342	Posted - 2015.04.16 02:12:24 - [28] - Quote Miss Dallocort wrote: Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. Use your ISK to empower yourself. Buy an alt that can do the same thing as you and put it on the same account. Then don't worry about the war, just keep seeing if it is over yet and keep making your ISK. CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids . High Sec needs a stepping stone to other areas of space, where they can grow Fozzie is treating a symptom.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 35929	Posted - 2015.04.16 02:22:01 - [29] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Also either actually fight back, hire mercenaries to do it for you or pay for the surrender. Doing any of those things will be more effective and more entertaining than sitting there passively taking a shafting. It's a two-character indy Corp that's already shown they aren't going to pay 300 mill to surrender, or fight back. So they aren't likely to pay mercs to wardec the wardeccers, or fight back themselves. Yes, it'd be a lot more fun for more people, but not likely going off the OP of this specific thread. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 12632	Posted - 2015.04.16 02:27:19 - [30] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Also either actually fight back, hire mercenaries to do it for you or pay for the surrender. Doing any of those things will be more effective and more entertaining than sitting there passively taking a shafting. It's a two-character indy Corp that's already shown they aren't going to pay 300 mill to surrender, or fight back. So they aren't likely to pay mercs to wardec the wardeccers, or fight back themselves. Yes, it'd be a lot more fun for more people, but not likely going off the OP of this specific thread. I have trouble justifying the existence of such corps. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.



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