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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:34:32 -
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Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all?
Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members)
The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.
The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_-
Opinions? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10738
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:36:00 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all?
Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members)
The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.
The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_-
Opinions? ' Someone war decced your npc corp? Petition for hacking.
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Paranoid Loyd
4714
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:39:28 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Opinions? Not enough periods.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1335
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Posted - 2015.04.15 19:42:51 -
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Change corporations or go somewhere else like worm holes until they get bored. Train up an alt. Make jump clones far and wide with sets of ships.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
861
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:10:17 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all?
Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members)
The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.
The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_-
Opinions? What did you do to annoy someone enough to perma-wardec a 2 man corp? You probably should apologize for what ever it was you did, pay them some ransom and let everyone move on.
I am sure that if you are not giving them fights and sort out the diplomatic issue that started this, they will be happy not to keep paying the 50M ISK per week and leave you alone. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
21144
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:29:37 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all?
Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members)
The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.
The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_-
Opinions?
Confirming that CAS is indeed a 2 man indy corp.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:44:35 -
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Quote: What did you do to annoy someone enough to perma-wardec a 2 man corp? You probably should apologize for what ever it was you did, pay them some ransom and let everyone move on.
I am sure that if you are not giving them fights and sort out the diplomatic issue that started this, they will be happy not to keep paying the 50M ISK per week and leave you alone.
Literally nothing.
We got a mail from them just after the wardec started stating that the wardec wouldn't be stopped until they received 300m isk.
I replied stating that we would not be paying the ransom for two reasons, 1, it wouldn't hinder our operations enough to warrant it and 2, there was nothing stopping them wardecing us again. I cant just go on their word.
I wouldn't have paid the ransom anyway, just encourag other people do then do it.
It's been 4 weeks so far. =D |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1389
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:46:23 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all?
Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members)
The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.
The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_-
Opinions? Confirming that CAS is indeed a 2 man indy corp. Confirming if I was permadecced and wanted to ask this question I'd post from a character in the corp to draw more decs.
Then again I wouldn't as this question on the forums... |
Iain Cariaba
1246
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:48:58 -
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So in two weeks you can laugh at them for spending more than they demanded in ransom on wardec fees.
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I couldn't have said it better.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
303
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Posted - 2015.04.15 20:49:54 -
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We are not the ones that can answer this question. File a petition. |
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:04:33 -
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I did make a support ticket to see what the GM would say but he said it was fine for them to continue it forever if they wanted. I was just asking on the forums to get some other peoples opinions. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2043
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:08:10 -
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Close the corp, open a new one. If they perpetually stalk you after you have made efforts to get away by changing corp, and changing region of space you operate in, then they actually are starting to tread on the harassment part of the EULA/ToS. Till you bother moving to that extent, it's not harassment. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1335
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:14:58 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:I did make a support ticket to see what the GM would say but he said it was fine for them to continue it forever if they wanted. I was just asking on the forums to get some other peoples opinions. + New Eden is a harsh universe.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
35928
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:16:42 -
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No, it isn't harassment to permadec your indy corp. That's the game mechanic needed for them to be able to shoot you in highsec without Concord, so it's perfectly fine for them to continue to pay that.
Best way to deal with it is to put an alt in the indy Corp as CEO (one that never undocks, or eve better one that can cloaky camp) and then drop Corp to NPC Corps for the other 2 characters. Bring them back in when the war is over (they have to wait a minimum of a week to join).
They pay NPC Corp taxes while waiting it out, but they will no longer be affected by the wardec.
The wardeccers will then just continue paying the fee until they see what has happened. If your alt can cloaky camp, put them in a system that the deccers commonly use and leave them logged in and cloaked, 23/7.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2797
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:27:24 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:So in two weeks you can laugh at them for spending more than they demanded in ransom on wardec fees. This.
If you have an alt use it for the time being, play around with something new on a trial account also the new buddy link is for 30 days so you will have some screw around time.
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:31:28 -
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yeah, been doing some FW on an alt and playing GTA5 |
Avaelica Kuershin
24
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:42:20 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:So in two weeks you can laugh at them for spending more than they demanded in ransom on wardec fees.
I can't help thinking that the war-deccers probably get more ransoms paid than people willing to live with the war-dec.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12627
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:48:45 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all?
Never.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
988
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Posted - 2015.04.15 21:53:56 -
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Three and a half years going and my little 2-man Corp never got decced. Probably has something to do with the fact that we know when to shut up in local (always!) and when to keep a low profile (always!).
The high quality of my posts here on the forums undoubtly help as well!
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HiltoftheDragons
Grievance3
65
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Posted - 2015.04.15 22:02:20 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Quote: What did you do to annoy someone enough to perma-wardec a 2 man corp? You probably should apologize for what ever it was you did, pay them some ransom and let everyone move on.
I am sure that if you are not giving them fights and sort out the diplomatic issue that started this, they will be happy not to keep paying the 50M ISK per week and leave you alone.
Literally nothing. We got a mail from them just after the wardec started stating that the wardec wouldn't be stopped until they received 300m isk. I replied stating that we would not be paying the ransom for two reasons, 1, it wouldn't hinder our operations enough to warrant it and 2, there was nothing stopping them wardecing us again. I cant just go on their word. I wouldn't have paid the ransom anyway, just encourag other people do then do it. It's been 4 weeks so far. =D
Do not pay that ransom...no matter what. Dont give in to folks like that. They are planning on you giving in and making a profit off you. As mention by the other posters, make an alt the ceo and drop from the corp or go play on another toon.
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Mario Putzo
1187
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Posted - 2015.04.15 22:03:01 -
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This is why CCP should just get rid of War Decs, and make people who want Concord Protection pay for it. Constant ongoing Wars is harassment. Removing the War Dec system removes potential for harassment through WD mechanics. If everyone is in a constant state of War than there can be no harassment.
Down with Wardecs! |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1514
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Posted - 2015.04.16 01:22:03 -
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You know, some people's harassment is others' business model. If the corp perma-deccing is a merc corp there is a pretty good chance that they were hired by someone else to make this happen. Someone else who is likely very unhappy with said 2 person corp. If it's not a merc corp, then odds are good that someone stepped on someone else's toes in a big way. If it's Cannibal Kane I recommend paying the man.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1074
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Posted - 2015.04.16 01:27:05 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Change corporations
Just want to say this is bullsh*t.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Never.
And this is too.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23631
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Posted - 2015.04.16 01:31:13 -
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If you're the defender use the ally mechanic (if it's still available). There are people out there that will ally with you for free, because they like good fights and shooting other people in the face.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.16 01:39:13 -
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Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
23632
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Posted - 2015.04.16 01:43:11 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:I was brining in around 6b. That's as good a reason as any to wardec you, I wouldn't be surprised if the ransom just went up, regardless of whether or not you pay it.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2110
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Posted - 2015.04.16 01:49:41 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: If your alt can cloaky camp, put them in a system that the deccers commonly use and leave them logged in and cloaked, 23/7. Err why? So they know not to ever bother running locates on you and that you're a total non-threat? If that's what you're going for by all means, do this.
Also either actually fight back, hire mercenaries to do it for you or pay for the surrender. Doing any of those things will be more effective and more entertaining than sitting there passively taking a shafting. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1342
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:12:24 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. Use your ISK to empower yourself. Buy an alt that can do the same thing as you and put it on the same account. Then don't worry about the war, just keep seeing if it is over yet and keep making your ISK.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
35929
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:22:01 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Also either actually fight back, hire mercenaries to do it for you or pay for the surrender. Doing any of those things will be more effective and more entertaining than sitting there passively taking a shafting. It's a two-character indy Corp that's already shown they aren't going to pay 300 mill to surrender, or fight back.
So they aren't likely to pay mercs to wardec the wardeccers, or fight back themselves.
Yes, it'd be a lot more fun for more people, but not likely going off the OP of this specific thread.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12632
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:27:19 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Also either actually fight back, hire mercenaries to do it for you or pay for the surrender. Doing any of those things will be more effective and more entertaining than sitting there passively taking a shafting. It's a two-character indy Corp that's already shown they aren't going to pay 300 mill to surrender, or fight back. So they aren't likely to pay mercs to wardec the wardeccers, or fight back themselves. Yes, it'd be a lot more fun for more people, but not likely going off the OP of this specific thread.
I have trouble justifying the existence of such corps.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2110
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:27:34 -
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So if he's not going to do anything his options consist of "Sit there and take the D" or "Sit there and take the D". |
Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:30:26 -
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=D |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
35930
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:31:14 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:So if he's not going to do anything his options consist of "Sit there and take the D" or "Sit there and take the D". No his best option is to drop to an NPC Corp and continue on. The only inconvenience of that is paying NPC taxes and waiting a week to join a Corp again.
I wish it wasn't possible to dodge like that, but the game mechanics allow and it's the best approach for this OP.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
35930
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:34:07 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I have trouble justifying the existence of such corps. Me too frankly, but it is what it is.
Not much for him to do but use the available game mechanics to his advantage.
Hopefully they eventually change.
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:37:06 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I have trouble justifying the existence of such corps. Me too frankly, but it is what it is. Not much for him to do but use the available game mechanics to his advantage. Hopefully they eventually change.
Small corporations are useful for people that don't want to join a huge group but that have the isk to support their activites with pos's and other things that require corps to do. |
Zealous Miner
122
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Posted - 2015.04.16 02:47:16 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Small corporations are useful for people that don't want to join a huge group but that have the isk to support their activites with pos's and other things that require corps to do. Guess you've never heard of the phrase "Strength in numbers."
One of the downsides of being in a small corporation is that you are a prime target for pirates and certain unsavory fellows who would like to ruin your day. Sorry, but this is the cost of the decisions you have made in this game.
Speaking of which: Where is Cannibal Kane at?
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Maki Osa
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.04.16 05:25:45 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b.
Wait, you were making 6 billion, but won't pay 300 million (or hire someone to take out the trash for you?) and as a result are losing 5.5 billion in profit? |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous WINMATAR.
35386
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Posted - 2015.04.16 05:30:48 -
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.................................................................................................................................................................................................................... what a waste of isk
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Rastafarian God
76
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Posted - 2015.04.16 05:43:25 -
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This is called Milking. We've had this happen more times then I can count. There are a lot of people that just go down the list and dec EVERYONE that is smaller then they are. The fact that they are sticking with it this long is odd though.
They are trying to milk 2 things. Isk and kills. Do not give them either for any reason and do not respond to them at all under any circumstances. Make them think you are not even aware of what they are doing other then the fact they can never find you in space.
the fact that they are still deccing you leads me to believe that you have exchanged E-mails, or chatted back and forth. STOP THAT!! They will get bored and move along. People like this usually have several decs at one time.
Although people that do it to us quickly find out that they only suffer losses from straggers or nothing at all. But we PVP. and are sneaky as ****. For you.. Just make them think you dont play and they will stop. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2047
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Posted - 2015.04.16 06:03:39 -
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Anyone consider this is actually the War Deccers alt, posting here to scare people into paying the ransom to avoid perma decs and loss of income? Just a stray thought given their posting seems to be making it sound worse and worse every time they post. |
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
866
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Posted - 2015.04.16 06:17:24 -
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Maki Osa wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. Wait, you were making 6 billion, but won't pay 300 million (or hire someone to take out the trash for you?) and as a result are losing 5.5 billion in profit? Yeah, this. Put your misplaced pride aside and pay them. If they are a PvP group, maybe even hire them to provide protection in the future if they have a reputation and you think they will honour an agreement. Don't listen to the carebears going on about principles or some theory that denying kills will work - that is a suboptimal strategy in a game where is extortion is accepted gameplay. Your opportunity cost is too high to take some "high-road" strategy where you turtle and lose that much profits, not to mention boring. Pay them to go away, or hire someone else protect you (a couple of that 6 billion will buy you the best mercenaries around) and get back to business.
What carebears who go on about "grief decs" don't always understand is that sometimes (actually often) the point of a wardec is not to farm easy kills, but rather to disrupt the industrial operations of your competitors. If you close up shop and choose not to play on principle, your opponents have already won. This case is a perfect example of that as that 5.5B ISK market share is now going to someone else for the low cost of 50M ISK. |
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
43
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Posted - 2015.04.16 09:18:59 -
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Create an alt and make him the owner of your corp. Have all members quit the corp. Play this way until the war dec expires. Do this everytime they war dec you until they get tired of wasing time and money. |
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
43
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Posted - 2015.04.16 09:24:04 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Maki Osa wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. Wait, you were making 6 billion, but won't pay 300 million (or hire someone to take out the trash for you?) and as a result are losing 5.5 billion in profit? Yeah, this. Put your misplaced pride aside and pay them. If they are a PvP group, maybe even hire them to provide protection in the future if they have a reputation and you think they will honour an agreement. Don't listen to the carebears going on about principles or some theory that denying kills will work - that is a suboptimal strategy in a game where is extortion is accepted gameplay. Your opportunity cost is too high to take some "high-road" strategy where you turtle and lose that much profits, not to mention boring. Pay them to go away, or hire someone else protect you (a couple of that 6 billion will buy you the best mercenaries around) and get back to business. What carebears who go on about "grief decs" don't always understand is that sometimes (actually often) the point of a wardec is not to farm easy kills, but rather to disrupt the industrial operations of your competitors. If you close up shop and choose not to play on principle, your opponents have already won. This case is a perfect example of that as that 5.5B ISK market share is now going to someone else for the low cost of 50M ISK.
What happens when you give a mouse a cookie? He will want a glass off milk! They will keep war decing you becouse its fun for them. Make an alt the owner of your corp and everyone quit the corp. Play like this until the war dec expires. Do this everytime they war dec you until they get tired of wasting time and money.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
866
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Posted - 2015.04.16 09:45:20 -
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Musashi IV wrote:What happens when you give a mouse a cookie? He will want a glass off milk! They will keep war decing you becouse its fun for them. Make an alt the owner of your corp and everyone quit the corp. Play like this until the war dec expires. Do this everytime they war dec you until they get tired of wasting time and money.
Incorrect. They will keep wardeccing him because they are disrupting a multi-billion ISK industrial operation. Folding corp works fine for missioners or miners with no need of in-space assets, but if you fold corp and set up a new one to launch your POS they will just wardec the new corp.
It might work if they are just randomly wardeccing people and they may lose interest, but if they have targeted him because of his industrial output (which a perma-warddec against a 2-man corp suggests), he is losing far too much income, and playing right into their hands by trying to wait them out. They are literally making money each week he lets this go on.
Pay them off or hire some mercenaries to protect you.
And of interest: to all the carebears out there that have gotten used to folding and reforming corps to shed wardecs, this is just a taste of what is to come. Once the new structures are in place and providing bonuses to other things than just industry (like mining/missioning etc,), all highsec corps using these bonuses will be much more vulnerable to wardecs. These new structures will usher in a new golden age for highsec mecernaries as people are forced to fight over these structures.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5337
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Posted - 2015.04.16 09:46:57 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. How have you let it affect you this much?
What you need to do is get an alt corp on unknown alts set up, and between that and NPC corps get up and running just as well as you ever were. Then repeatedly wind them up from your wardecced characters. Your aim is so that they never drop the wardec and continue paying fees to wardec your now irrelevant corp.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
360
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Posted - 2015.04.16 10:38:33 -
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Zealous Miner wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Small corporations are useful for people that don't want to join a huge group but that have the isk to support their activites with pos's and other things that require corps to do. Guess you've never heard of the phrase "Strength in numbers." One of the downsides of being in a small corporation is that you are a prime target for pirates and certain unsavory fellows who would like to ruin your day. Sorry, but this is the cost of the decisions you have made in this game. Speaking of which: Where is Cannibal Kane at?
really thats why big corporations/blocs tell you to avoid highsec during wardecs, they could easily outnumber wardeccders 10/1 but they dont bother
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
19
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:02:00 -
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This happened to my corp after a few weeks we got bored and moved to null sec not seen them since... |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1347
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:05:33 -
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Lan Wang wrote:really thats why big corporations/blocs tell you to avoid highsec during wardecs, they could easily outnumber wardeccders 10/1 but they dont bother I know of a corp that pretends to be a mining corp so that they draw war decs. They currently have their hands full assisting others but it is hilarious when people pay to get their faces kicked in by a seemingly vulnerable little group.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3792
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:06:01 -
[49] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. Since you mentioned hauling, not mining, I'm assuming you're a manufacturer.
How can a wardec cut your profits that much?
Small stuff --> get a blockade runner, laugh at them
Medium stuff --> use the proper T1 industrial with MWD+cloak and insta-dock, insta-undock bookmarks, laugh at them
Big stuff --> use Red Frog, laugh at them
Or, obviously, use an out-of-corp hauler.
Please explain how the wardec cut your profits, I really can't understand. From what little I know of that bizarre place called highsec, wardecs can only significantly disrupt mining operations, anything else you should be able to carry on doing just fine (I'm also assuming you don't have POSs).
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2048
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:19:22 -
[50] - Quote
If you bother moving wardecs don't even significantly disrupt mining operations, just dock when you see them in local, same as a neut in local in Null. Hence why I'm starting to suspect this is actually the Wardec corp trying to scare people into paying their ransoms. |
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:37:23 -
[51] - Quote
Maki Osa wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. Wait, you were making 6 billion, but won't pay 300 million (or hire someone to take out the trash for you?) and as a result are losing 5.5 billion in profit?
Not exactly, I overexaggerate my losses slightly, it really depends how much effort I put into setting up contracts and organising jobs.
Problem is everything becomes a lot slower paced when there is a war.
Rastafarian God wrote:This is called Milking. We've had this happen more times then I can count. There are a lot of people that just go down the list and dec EVERYONE that is smaller then they are. The fact that they are sticking with it this long is odd though.
They are trying to milk 2 things. Isk and kills. Do not give them either for any reason and do not respond to them at all under any circumstances. Make them think you are not even aware of what they are doing other then the fact they can never find you in space.
the fact that they are still deccing you leads me to believe that you have exchanged E-mails, or chatted back and forth. STOP THAT!! They will get bored and move along. People like this usually have several decs at one time.
Although people that do it to us quickly find out that they only suffer losses from straggers or nothing at all. But we PVP. and are sneaky as ****. For you.. Just make them think you dont play and they will stop.
There was only a mail exchange at the start when they informed us they would only end the war when we paid the ransom.
I replied saying that we would not be paying.
Quote: Wait, you were making 6 billion, but won't pay 300 million (or hire someone to take out the trash for you?) and as a result are losing 5.5 billion in profit?
Yeah, this. Put your misplaced pride aside and pay them. If they are a PvP group, maybe even hire them to provide protection in the future if they have a reputation and you think they will honour an agreement. Don't listen to the carebears going on about principles or some theory that denying kills will work - that is a suboptimal strategy in a game where is extortion is accepted gameplay. Your opportunity cost is too high to take some "high-road" strategy where you turtle and lose that much profits, not to mention boring. Pay them to go away, or hire someone else protect you (a couple of that 6 billion will buy you the best mercenaries around) and get back to business.
What carebears who go on about "grief decs" don't always understand is that sometimes (actually often) the point of a wardec is not to farm easy kills, but rather to disrupt the industrial operations of your competitors. If you close up shop and choose not to play on principle, your opponents have already won. This case is a perfect example of that as that 5.5B ISK market share is now going to someone else for the low cost of 50M ISK. [/quote]
I have no reason to believe they will honour anything. They seem like the kind of group that would just ignore the surrender even after sending the isk. |
thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder The Marmite Collective
23
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:52:36 -
[52] - Quote
There is actually a surrender mechanic that makes it so they can't dec you again for some time after you pay the surrender fee. |
Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.16 11:55:14 -
[53] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Honestly I love that the sandbox allows for this kind of thing and that if they wardec ever industry corp more haulers will be used and maybe the market prices will increase but when it's my corp getting held up it's more than annoying. Especially now that my weekly profit is less than 500m when I was brining in around 6b. Since you mentioned hauling, not mining, I'm assuming you're a manufacturer. How can a wardec cut your profits that much? Small stuff --> get a blockade runner, laugh at them Medium stuff --> use the proper T1 industrial with MWD+cloak and insta-dock, insta-undock bookmarks, laugh at them Big stuff --> use Red Frog, laugh at them Or, obviously, use an out-of-corp hauler. Please explain how the wardec cut your profits, I really can't understand. From what little I know of that bizarre place called highsec, wardecs can only significantly disrupt mining operations, anything else you should be able to carry on doing just fine (I'm also assuming you don't have POSs).
It's not just that we don't make as much it's also that we have been playing other games in the mean time. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5339
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:00:30 -
[54] - Quote
thatonepersone wrote:There is actually a surrender mechanic that makes it so they can't dec you again for some time after you pay the surrender fee. For a short amount of time only. But by paying you set a precedent that you are willing to pay to be left alone, encouraging them to come after you more either directly or with an alt corp.
I've had many a wardec on some of my highsec trading/indy corps, and I always make sure they know they will be paying a wardec and getting no kills, no tears and not affecting my ability to operate. This tends to get them to leave you alone permanently as there's no reason for them to waste the isk wardeccing you if you simply don't care.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
868
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:02:24 -
[55] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote: I have no reason to believe they will honour anything. They seem like the kind of group that would just ignore the surrender even after sending the isk.
You don't have a choice if you are losing as much as you claim you are. You either cut a deal with them, or fight. Ok, you could flee to lowsec or a WH but I guess that isn't in the cards. So pay them some tribute - it is a small fraction of what you make - and then start putting aside a little profit each week for a 'merc fund' to hire reputable mercenaries to defend you next time they or someone else tries this. Or skip that, and go right to hiring some mercenaries and get your operation back on-line and the ISKies flowing.
If they are really wardeccing you to disrupt your industrial operation you have no choice but to cut a deal, put up a defense, or leave highsec. Your current strategy isn't working and you are just going to bore yourself out of the game. |
Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:05:38 -
[56] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote: I have no reason to believe they will honour anything. They seem like the kind of group that would just ignore the surrender even after sending the isk.
You don't have a choice if you are losing as much as you claim you are. You either cut a deal with them, or fight. Ok, you could flee to lowsec or a WH but I guess that isn't in the cards. So pay them some tribute - it is a small fraction of what you make - and then start putting aside a little profit each week for a 'merc fund' to hire reputable mercenaries to defend you next time they or someone else tries this. Or skip that, and go right to hiring some mercenaries and get your operation back on-line and the ISKies flowing. If they are really wardeccing you to disrupt your industrial operation you have no choice but to cut a deal, put up a defense, or leave highsec. Your current strategy isn't working and you are just going to bore yourself out of the game.
The increased losses are to do with my own laziness. I could make just as much isk if I made some deals with hauling groups and sorted out some stuff to get everything handled, but originally our plan was to wait them out. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3792
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:06:05 -
[57] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:It's not just that we don't make as much it's also that we have been playing other games in the mean time. Well, have fun then!
EVE is mostly about player interaction, including the competitive and non-consensual kind.
There are several ways to react to other EVE players when they come knocking on your door: fight, make friends (with them), outsmart, (actively) evade, negotiate, become sworn enemies forever, move in another space, etc...
But if all that doesn't appeal to you, then probably you'll have more fun playing 'other games'...
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:12:55 -
[58] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:It's not just that we don't make as much it's also that we have been playing other games in the mean time. Well, have fun then! EVE is mostly about player interaction, including the competitive and non-consensual kind. There are several ways to react to other EVE players when they come knocking on your door: fight, make friends (with them), outsmart, (actively) evade, negotiate, become sworn enemies forever, move in another space, etc... But if all that doesn't appeal to you, then probably you'll have more fun playing 'other games'...
See, you say that we should be playing another game because we don't want to interact with a big PVP Alliance who have threatened us, but the way I see it is, by refusing to pay them regardless of our lost profits we are fighting back, fighting back against them as bullies trying to extort isk out of people.
Sure we could fight back with weapons but I'd much rather watch them waste time and money because I'm pretty sure my pockets reach much deeper than theirs. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3792
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:16:51 -
[59] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:[quote=Gully Alex Foyle]See, you say that we should be playing another game because we don't want to interact with a big PVP Alliance who have threatened us, but the way I see it is, by refusing to pay them regardless of our lost profits we are fighting back, fighting back against them as bullies trying to extort isk out of people.
Sure we could fight back with weapons but I'd much rather watch them waste time and money because I'm pretty sure my pockets reach much deeper than theirs. From what you describe:
. You're the guys wasting time
. You're the guys losing more money
Seems like a pretty ineffective way of 'fighting the mean bullies' to me...
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Nulli Secunda
251
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:20:53 -
[60] - Quote
It's EVE.
Sorry..... that's all I've got.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
868
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:21:36 -
[61] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:The increased losses are to do with my own laziness. I could make just as much isk if I made some deals with hauling groups and sorted out some stuff to get everything handled, but originally our plan was to wait them out. If they are just disrupting your hauling, then just have your haulers drop corp until they give up. Your haulers should be in an NPC corp anyways to avoid this situation.
Wardecs are completely avoidable unless you are relying on a POS as there is no other real advantage to be in a player corp. I feel dirty giving this advice, but with only 2 players just dissolve and reform the corp and the wardec is gone, or have your haulers/miners drop to the NPC corp for the duration of the war. No more wardec.
Whatever you do though, stop hiding in a station. Fight back or wriggle free, but waiting them out is the least fun option on the table. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2111
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Posted - 2015.04.16 12:34:21 -
[62] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Sure we could fight back with weapons maybe even inflict some damage, but I'd much rather watch them waste time and money because I'm pretty sure my pockets reach much deeper than theirs.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but declaring and maintaining a war against an inactive entity requires no time investment. All you do is pay the bill once a week. Moreover a 50 million per week bill is entirely trivial to a dedicated war dec group that likely makes billions to tens of billions per week on contracts.
You sitting there doing nothing is an acceptable outcome for the aggressor, if it wasn't they would have dropped the war already. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2935
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Posted - 2015.04.16 13:38:25 -
[63] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Opinions? Not enough periods.
Perhaps she is on the other side of the menopause?
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Origin. Black Legion.
2124
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Posted - 2015.04.16 14:06:59 -
[64] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all? ..
Only if the constant drumbeat of bads who come onto the forums spilling tears about wardecs is selfsame considered harassment of other forum dwellers who are not bad, would you then have a precedent and case to make.
tldr; You are bad, trying to transmogrify your inability to self-educate into 'harassment' by others. Go skill yourself.
Would you like to know more?
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3306
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Posted - 2015.04.16 15:24:36 -
[65] - Quote
CCP has tried to make the war dec system balanced, with as few rules as possible. To this end they allow:
Wars to be declared for any and all reasons, without restrictions, and to be arbitrarily long. Any player who has no interest in war can drop corp whenever they want, thus dodging the war.
So you really should just drop corp. Leave a holding alt in there as CEO, drop corp, and get on with your industrial activities. This is true for everyone. If war is interfering with your play style, then leave the war. CCP has given you that ability.
Note: I have seen ransoms paid many times. I have never seen them honored.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
1350
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:35:15 -
[66] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:So if he's not going to do anything his options consist of "Sit there and take the D" or "Sit there and take the D". Always thought the "D" should be depicted more as a C as in c=== + 8
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2015.04.16 16:51:04 -
[67] - Quote
It's just another way for 'leet' pvpers to find GUDFIGHTS.
My proposal for years has been limited wardecs.. Wardec Skill, corporate skill.. 1 wardec up to a maximum of 5 based on the CEO of corp or CEO of executor corp of alliance.. 5 per corp or 5 per alliance. no more, no less.
Wars should mean something and have purpose. As of now wardeccing is just free pvp against those who choose to be productive members of the game as opposed to destructive. "WAH!! but without destruction there's no need to produce.. WAH!!!" blah blah..
Go find a REALFIGHT and not just GUDFIGHTS.
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L I M I T S
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1691
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Posted - 2015.04.16 17:04:28 -
[68] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:It's just another way for 'leet' pvpers to find GUDFIGHTS.
My proposal for years has been limited wardecs.. Wardec Skill, corporate skill.. 1 wardec up to a maximum of 5 based on the CEO of corp or CEO of executor corp of alliance.. 5 per corp or 5 per alliance. no more, no less.
Wars should mean something and have purpose. As of now wardeccing is just free pvp against those who choose to be productive members of the game as opposed to destructive. "WAH!! but without destruction there's no need to produce.. WAH!!!" blah blah..
Go find a REALFIGHT and not just GUDFIGHTS.
W A R D E C
L I M I T S
One of the last cancers remaining in Eve that can be easily removed.
They need to make them meaningful before they ever think of limiting them. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2196
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:14:33 -
[69] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:It's just another way for 'leet' pvpers to find GUDFIGHTS.
My proposal for years has been limited wardecs.. Wardec Skill, corporate skill.. 1 wardec up to a maximum of 5 based on the CEO of corp or CEO of executor corp of alliance.. 5 per corp or 5 per alliance. no more, no less.
Wars should mean something and have purpose. As of now wardeccing is just free pvp against those who choose to be productive members of the game as opposed to destructive. "WAH!! but without destruction there's no need to produce.. WAH!!!" blah blah..
Go find a REALFIGHT and not just GUDFIGHTS.
W A R D E C
L I M I T S
One of the last cancers remaining in Eve that can be easily removed. Heeeyyyy you must be that famous guy from Deep Core Mining Inc., who has lots of experience in wardecs and being wardecced and everyone knows you, right?
Sheesh, I had no idea you existed. :/
So, why exactly do you believe that you are a better person than other people?
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Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2015.04.16 18:36:07 -
[70] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote: So, why exactly do you believe that you are a better person than other people?
I'm curious where I said that. Also, are you not in an NPC corp as well? I'm so confused. Please tell us what your world is like. Does it have rainbows and unicorns?
Does mittens also run a hearts and unicorns clusterfuck there? |
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2199
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Posted - 2015.04.16 19:02:27 -
[71] - Quote
Well ... I'm Sol. It's not really comparable. But as anyone could say that, just ask the others. And other obvious Sol-accounts aren't active right now.
Anyhow, you did. You did so much.
It's always funny how people do not realise that they are transporting emotional content as well, no matter how much they try to cloud their words. Conscious communication is really hard.
While your whole post pretty much screams "I'M BETTER THAN YOU" ... ... I can condense it down to this part ...
Quote:Go find a REALFIGHT and not just GUDFIGHTS.
... to prove my point.
You do not like wardecs as they are. You subconsciously compare what others do with what they could do. With what you believe would be the better thing. Obviously the thing you do. Or would do.
Others shouldn't just do x, they should do y.
Because y is better.
And y is something you came up with. Something that connects with you. Something you like.
Quote:As of now wardeccing is just free pvp against those who choose to be productive members of the game as opposed to destructive.
I admit you worded it really well. Much better than 99% of the people out there, yet you can't get away with it.
So people do attack "productive members" (who defines that? you? I miss a definition.) ... ... and you somehow seem to believe that isn't the right thing they should do ... ... and thus you want things to be changed.
Also, you are trying to belittle me, which is hilarious. XD
You are a bitter man ... and that's funny. ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3794
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Posted - 2015.04.16 20:22:08 -
[72] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Please tell us what your world is like. Does it have rainbows and unicorns? I'd expect nothing less of Sol. Plus, people with very fashionable clothes that they never wear.
Make space glamorous!
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
415
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Posted - 2015.04.16 20:22:34 -
[73] - Quote
Desimus Maximus wrote:Please tell us what your world is like. Does it have rainbows and unicorns? Actually my world does.
Yours could too if you mixed some LSD, Extacy and 2 oz of 100 year old Single Malt Scotch.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2201
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Posted - 2015.04.16 20:58:06 -
[74] - Quote
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Please tell us what your world is like. Does it have rainbows and unicorns? I'd expect nothing less of Sol. Plus, people with very fashionable clothes that they never wear. Hahahahahahaha never wear. xD
(: :)
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2015.04.16 21:45:45 -
[75] - Quote
I can't imagine what it would be like to rake in 6 billion ISK a week but if I could, i'd just hire another, larger merc corp and pay them 500M or whatever every week to permadec these guys, just to prove a point. If it's a small merc corp they won't be able to put up much of a fight against a competent opponent, so just force them to dock or go play on their nullsec alts.
You have a ton of ISK; what else are you doing with it? Use it to put some hurt on these vultures. Find a merc corp that will actually produce killmails and pay them. Better yet, use them to set a logon trap with one of your industrials as bait. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2112
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Posted - 2015.04.16 21:51:21 -
[76] - Quote
People keep talking about the size of a merc group as if it's a major factor in their effectiveness. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2302
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Posted - 2015.04.16 21:51:55 -
[77] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all?
Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members)
The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.
The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_-
Opinions? Absolutely fine imo. The difference between this form of PvP and something like suicide ganking (not fine imo) is you have many options available at your disposal.
1. Fight. 2. Disband. 3. Play an alt out of corp. 4. Move to nullsec / low sec.
There is an ability to react and so you're not SOL in comparison to some random fleet melting your ship in less than a second on a high sec gate.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Bklyn 1
Security Impaired Resource Providers
5
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Posted - 2015.04.16 21:54:31 -
[78] - Quote
Just move to low sec or *gasp* null. Most high sec war dec corps cling to the side of the pool and won't dare follow you into scary null sec. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
228
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Posted - 2015.04.16 22:10:58 -
[79] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:People keep talking about the size of a merc group as if it's a major factor in their effectiveness.
It matters when considering setting a trap for them. A few guys in blingboats can be blobbed to death quite easily. |
Mario Putzo
1190
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Posted - 2015.04.16 22:25:02 -
[80] - Quote
Hello I am with the campaign for the discontinuation of War Decs. We are a peaceful people are we not? We all share the same cluster and should get along. Our enemies will subvert us otherwise. CONCORD spends more time dealing with backlogged War Declarations than they do policing the pirate menace that seems to be ever increasing. This was outsourced to us Poddies.
I call for an immediate end to war declarations outright, and entire restructuring of the entire CONCORD response to crime. Sanshas attack with impunity, a new Sleeper menace is on our doorstep, Jovian structures are appearing across the cluster.
More over WE DEMAND an entire rework of CONCORD funding. Those of us who make no use of CONCORD still pay the SAME rates as people who make heavy use of CONCORD. It is time Empire Nations demanded freedom from the system where YOU pay for your CONCORD protection...so I DONT HAVE TO. Enough is enough. If pilots in New Eden desire "protection" then they should foot the bill, not the Empires and most certainly not those who make no use of that protection.
This has been a message from the Association of Poddies Against WarDecs and Concord Financing. |
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2202
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Posted - 2015.04.16 22:47:22 -
[81] - Quote
Mario Putzo wrote:Hello I am with the campaign for the discontinuation of War Decs. We are a peaceful people are we not? We all share the same cluster and should get along. Our enemies will subvert us otherwise. CONCORD spends more time dealing with backlogged War Declarations than they do policing the pirate menace that seems to be ever increasing. This was outsourced to us Poddies.
I call for an immediate end to war declarations outright, and entire restructuring of the entire CONCORD response to crime. Sanshas attack with impunity, a new Sleeper menace is on our doorstep, Jovian structures are appearing across the cluster.
More over WE DEMAND an entire rework of CONCORD funding. Those of us who make no use of CONCORD still pay the SAME rates as people who make heavy use of CONCORD. It is time Empire Nations demanded freedom from the system where YOU pay for your CONCORD protection...so I DONT HAVE TO. Enough is enough. If pilots in New Eden desire "protection" then they should foot the bill, not the Empires and most certainly not those who make no use of that protection.
This has been a message from the Association of Poddies Against WarDecs and Concord Financing.
That's some lovely trolling. :)
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Royal Imperious
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.16 23:42:41 -
[82] - Quote
Just play denial games with the Deccers. Grief the griefers.
1) Log on, make sure they notice you, get in a fast (but not too fast ) ship. Set course for the middle of nowhere and watch them chase you across the universe, then laugh at them (quietly).
2) Log on, make sure they notice you, then jump clone 20+ jumps away, then go back to step 1)
Bonus: do this while playing with an out of corp alt. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
35950
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Posted - 2015.04.16 23:52:45 -
[83] - Quote
Royal Imperious wrote: Grief the griefers. Someone who wardecs you is not a griefer, but you advocate griefing them?
Is that the take away message of your post, you are all for griefing others.
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Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force The Kadeshi
421
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Posted - 2015.04.16 23:59:31 -
[84] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote: The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.
Or a hauling alt NOT in the wardeced corp.
Or have your friend drop corp and be in NPC corp to haul, etc.
Or leave an ALT as corp exec and form another and jump to it to avoid wardec. Rinse and repeat as necessary.
Or join an alliance
Or hire a merc corp for protection.
Or follow some of the good advice given by others.
You hopefully get the picture. Wardecs are a part of Eve. Deal with it in a manner best suited by your corp and personality.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2242
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Posted - 2015.04.17 07:01:33 -
[85] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:Royal Imperious wrote: Grief the griefers. Someone who wardecs you is not a griefer, but you advocate griefing them? Is that the take away message of your post - you are in favour of griefing others. "Royal Imperious" ... name fits.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1274
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Posted - 2015.04.17 07:36:28 -
[86] - Quote
Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly.
Your griefing words should stop right this instant!
You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads.
D.
Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2245
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:12:45 -
[87] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D. *hugs Danalee tightly* ... don't worry honey, i won't let the bad griefer touch you ... :/
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
303
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:01:25 -
[88] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote: *hugs Danalee tightly* ... don't worry honey, i won't let the bad griefer touch you ... :/
Can I touch her?
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2248
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:03:14 -
[89] - Quote
Tuttomenui II wrote:Eve Solecist wrote: *hugs Danalee tightly* ... don't worry honey, i won't let the bad griefer touch you ... :/
Can I touch her? Do you have a good surgeon?
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
305
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:06:53 -
[90] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Tuttomenui II wrote:Eve Solecist wrote: *hugs Danalee tightly* ... don't worry honey, i won't let the bad griefer touch you ... :/
Can I touch her? Do you have a good surgeon? If so, he'll just get killed as well. No biggy. I'll bite his freaking head off!
All I want to do is bump her a bit with a thorax or an iteron V.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2249
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:09:24 -
[91] - Quote
You're a pervert! :O
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
306
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:19:58 -
[92] - Quote
A proud pervert. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2249
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:22:33 -
[93] - Quote
Tuttomenui II wrote: A proud pervert. Let's stop the offtopicing now. :)
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2121
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:25:01 -
[94] - Quote
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:It matters when considering setting a trap for them. A few guys in blingboats can be blobbed to death quite easily. If a merc group is large it will generally operate as multiple small groups. Also on the whole the larger the entity the less cohesive it is.
The only really consistent difference between a small merc entity and a large one is that a large one offers more opportunities to kill them. Some will be camping jita, some will be in Amarr, some in a pipe, others actively hunting something. Whereas a small group will likely only be doing one of those things at once.
Please gain more experience shooting highsec mercenaries before posting about this. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
309
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:25:48 -
[95] - Quote
Use the isk that could be paid as a ransom and use it to war dec yourself with alt corps. Make them mutual and increase the war dec fees for them. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2258
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:29:16 -
[96] - Quote
Tuttomenui II wrote:Use the isk that could be paid as a ransom and use it to war dec yourself with alt corps. Make them mutual and increase the war dec fees for them. Tbh I find it odd to wardec at all.
Given a group of sufficient size it's way more reasonable to just suicide people.
That way they can't prepare themselves and thus win't hide in stations.
50 Million ISK or more are better spent on vexors, thrashers, tornados and catalysts.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
365
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:30:34 -
[97] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Tuttomenui II wrote:Use the isk that could be paid as a ransom and use it to war dec yourself with alt corps. Make them mutual and increase the war dec fees for them. Tbh I find it odd to wardec at all. Given a group of sufficient size it's way more reasonable to just suicide people. That way they can't prepare themselves and thus win't hide in stations. 50 Million ISK or more are better spent on vexors, thrashers, tornados and catalysts.
dont be silly they need sec status so they can be protected by concord when it suits them
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
309
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:40:57 -
[98] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Tuttomenui II wrote:Use the isk that could be paid as a ransom and use it to war dec yourself with alt corps. Make them mutual and increase the war dec fees for them. Tbh I find it odd to wardec at all. Given a group of sufficient size it's way more reasonable to just suicide people. That way they can't prepare themselves and thus win't hide in stations. 50 Million ISK or more are better spent on vexors, thrashers, tornados and catalysts. dont be silly they need sec status so they can be protected by concord when it suits them
Although I would guess most ganker characters are alts.
I guess it just depends on the person. You can gank a couple of times without doing much damage to sec status.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2122
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:43:23 -
[99] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Tuttomenui II wrote:Use the isk that could be paid as a ransom and use it to war dec yourself with alt corps. Make them mutual and increase the war dec fees for them. Tbh I find it odd to wardec at all. Given a group of sufficient size it's way more reasonable to just suicide people. That way they can't prepare themselves and thus win't hide in stations. 50 Million ISK or more are better spent on vexors, thrashers, tornados and catalysts. It is not the same. You should try it for yourself some time. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2259
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:44:05 -
[100] - Quote
I never needed to care about CONCORD or the facpo to fight or kill ... ... and hiding behind an alt as ganker is unleet. Scouting alts are even worse.
Yeah I know, can't shake that mentality. :)
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:08:53 -
[101] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D.
It sounds like you are joking but still I'll humour you.
Yes we bring in a large amount of isk, but this isn't just because we are manufacturing we have spent a long time organising ourselves optimising our production chains watching markets etc.
I may spend most of my time docked but it's all doing stuff I love.
We also don't hold onto large sums of isk for too long. We help other groups of players, other industrialists or miners, replace ships supply bps. |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
367
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:14:52 -
[102] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D.
well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2262
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:15:39 -
[103] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Tuttomenui II wrote:Use the isk that could be paid as a ransom and use it to war dec yourself with alt corps. Make them mutual and increase the war dec fees for them. Tbh I find it odd to wardec at all. Given a group of sufficient size it's way more reasonable to just suicide people. That way they can't prepare themselves and thus win't hide in stations. 50 Million ISK or more are better spent on vexors, thrashers, tornados and catalysts. It is not the same. You should try it for yourself some time. I did once or twice. One time was a bigmouth I had lots of fun with ... ... the other was an indy corp I talked the CEO with beforehand.
We motivated them to fight back against my tripplerepmyrm.
Awesome fun! I don't recall any other wars. Except where I joined the failed space police against eveuni. Kicked me for ruining their killboards with my experiments. xD (i dont stay docked just because it's 30vs1 and some day I'll disco them...)
I have nothing against decs but current mechanics of dodging or hiding seem to favour ganking by a lightyear.
:/
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1278
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:16:19 -
[104] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads.
It sounds like you are joking but still I'll humour you. Yes we bring in a large amount of isk, but this isn't just because we are manufacturing we have spent a long time organising ourselves optimising our production chains watching markets etc. I may spend most of my time docked but it's all doing stuff I love. We also don't hold onto large sums of isk for too long. We help other groups of players, other industrialists or miners, replace ships supply bps.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks. Suddenly you are the benevolent benefactor for all sorts of bot-aspiring organisations but when it comes down to lending a helping hand to a downtrodden group of wardeccing rifraf you play it like you are on some sort of morale high ground?
Not buying it mylady.
D.
Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
578
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:16:22 -
[105] - Quote
Working as intended.
Pay them off, or pack your corp's stuff up and reform as a new corp... or just shift your toons to the NPC corp. No biggie with two people, the corp had no real raison d'etre anyhow. |
Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1278
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:20:46 -
[106] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec
Ooooh, pray tell; which function or purpose serves an industrial/manufacturer that can't be replaced by a bot/npc without destroying the game?
And what does it matter to you what other people think of themselves? Do you get mad at the tought of people being imaginative?
D.
Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2264
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:36:40 -
[107] - Quote
Tbh nowadays I wish I would have had enough people to open a proper service back then.
Then I wouldn't have stopped and the game would be quite different for highseccers.
GRRRR PEOPLE ... anyhow... one hour sleepy time! *cuddles into her blanket* (:
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2264
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:38:59 -
[108] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D. well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec That's because you don't get the concept ofncontent in this game.
The more you interact, the more you add value.
Even the stupidest idiot in local adds more value than the nth industrialist who floods the market with his stuff and never talks to anyone.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:50:54 -
[109] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D. well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec That's because you don't get the concept ofncontent in this game. The more you interact, the more you add value. Even the stupidest idiot in local adds more value than the nth industrialist who floods the market with his stuff and never talks to anyone.
PVP and the Markets in eve are seperate games that are intertwined. The reasons Industrialists and Traders don't speak to people we don't know much is because they might jack our profits! |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1630
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:55:16 -
[110] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D. well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec That's because you don't get the concept ofncontent in this game. The more you interact, the more you add value. Even the stupidest idiot in local adds more value than the nth industrialist who floods the market with his stuff and never talks to anyone.
That reminds me how bummed I was when I realized invention was about "inventing" stuff that where already there.... /o\
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1280
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:59:21 -
[111] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote: PVP and the Markets in eve are seperate games that are intertwined. The reasons Industrialists and Traders don't speak to people we don't know much is because they might jack our profits!
See! Futile, pointless, purposeless, vain, to no purpose, to no avail, unavailing, bootless, nugatory, hopeless, unusable, ineffectual, inefficacious, impotent, fruitless, Sisyphean; unworkable, broken, kaput, unserviceable. And also devilishly dodging the dilemma at hand.
D.
Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
367
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:02:50 -
[112] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D. well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec That's because you don't get the concept ofncontent in this game. The more you interact, the more you add value. Even the stupidest idiot in local adds more value than the nth industrialist who floods the market with his stuff and never talks to anyone.
ah so if an industrialist talks in local that means he is adding value to the game, i get it now, how could i be so silly, i sometimes say gf in local othertimes im told not to smack talk in local during huge fights, isnt that content?, that must mean im not adding value to the game huh?
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2267
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:03:01 -
[113] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D. well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec That's because you don't get the concept ofncontent in this game. The more you interact, the more you add value. Even the stupidest idiot in local adds more value than the nth industrialist who floods the market with his stuff and never talks to anyone. PVP and the Markets in eve are seperate games that are intertwined. The reasons Industrialists and Traders don't speak to people we don't know much is because they might jack our profits! PvP. Market PvP, aka economics, is a part of PvP. Shipcombat is a part of PvP.
And these industrials are doing it wrong. Contacts bring profits. If people fail to properly socialise and risk losses because of that, then it's their own fault.
You will ALWAYS make less money than someone who socialises either with the competition, customers or both. Multipliers are a thing, you know?
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2267
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:04:52 -
[114] - Quote
Pak Narhoo wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D. well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec That's because you don't get the concept ofncontent in this game. The more you interact, the more you add value. Even the stupidest idiot in local adds more value than the nth industrialist who floods the market with his stuff and never talks to anyone. Aww man that must have felt ****! :/ *hugs* That reminds me how bummed I was when I realized invention was about "inventing" stuff that was already there.... /o\
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2269
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:11:13 -
[115] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Danalee wrote:Miss Dallocort, your post has hurt my GÇô as an esteemed member of a merc alliance GÇô feelings. Terribly. Your griefing words should stop right this instant! You and your 2 man-corp GÇÿgood for nothing but raking in the isk and adding nothing of value to the universe/communityGÇÖ ilk should tread carefully for IGÇÖm neigh one step away from reporting you for making me sads. D. well id say an industial/manufacturer adds more value to the game than an ego driven wardeccer who thinks they are some sort of mesiah of highsec That's because you don't get the concept ofncontent in this game. The more you interact, the more you add value. Even the stupidest idiot in local adds more value than the nth industrialist who floods the market with his stuff and never talks to anyone. ah so if an industrialist talks in local that means he is adding value to the game, i get it now, how could i be so silly, i sometimes say gf in local othertimes im told not to smack talk in local during huge fights, isnt that content?, that must mean im not adding value to the game huh? Look at the griefer who suddenly takes it personally.
And that's just because you are too full of yourself to actually think about the written. You aren't the first or last victim of GD Automaticity ... I will explain it nonetheless.
Someone who talks in local creates content for others. He creates content for readers. He creates content for those who reply, potentially multiplying the initial content.
ANY form of interaction is a potential multiplyer!
The game lives from playermade content. Without the game would not exist as it is, if anyway.
So now please realise that you do not understand it yet ... ... and you do not know everything and others know better.
Or just be a ****** griefer like all the other ignorant assholes who are so disconnected from reality.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
368
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:46:09 -
[116] - Quote
ofcourse i just dont consider talking in local more value than not talking in local, allbeit they are providing content for themselves and thats the main thing isnt it, who cares if they are not providing content for someone else, supplying ships on the market with no interaction is more value to my game than the talker in local that just gets ignored, or the wardeccer that wardecs you but never comes to fight :(
better still what sort of value do you add to the game? do you just talk in local or npc corp chat and think you are adding something to the game? you seem to be a bit of a hypocrite
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2274
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Posted - 2015.04.17 13:38:40 -
[117] - Quote
Lan Wang ... a carebearing griefer.
Sorry, but I do not want or need to talk to someone who can not be reasonably talked with.
In any case I always try to educate once.
You have your opinions and you are way too limited to accept they might be wrong and not go into a passive aggressive modus operandi.
They are irrelevant to the facts of the matter, which you choose to ignore or oppose, because they don't support your own beliefs.
Beliefs that only further show that your worldview is a set of biased opinions and does neither seem to need to reflect what's really happening ... ... you also refuse to even consider ... just consider ... that it might just be plain wrong.
Btw... I suggest not wearing any of the tights, bottomless dresses or any catsuits.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
368
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Posted - 2015.04.17 14:13:52 -
[118] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Lan Wang ... a carebearing griefer.
i like that, now enlighten me to what exactly that is with another one of your "phsycological" diagnosis
you remind me of an "unfunny" russel brand
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2277
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Posted - 2015.04.17 14:16:34 -
[119] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Lan Wang ... a carebearing griefer. i like that, now enlighten me to what exactly that is with another one of your "phsycological" diagnosis you remind me of an "unfunny" russel brand So you want me to keep reacting to your passive aggressiveness?
Sorry you griefer, not falling for it.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1036
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Posted - 2015.04.17 14:56:30 -
[120] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:I did make a support ticket to see what the GM would say but he said it was fine for them to continue it forever if they wanted. I was just asking on the forums to get some other peoples opinions.
They're playing the game in accordance with the rules, and that is not a matter of opinion.
If they want to keep you decced for the next decade, that's okay.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10756
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:19:16 -
[121] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:I did make a support ticket to see what the GM would say but he said it was fine for them to continue it forever if they wanted. I was just asking on the forums to get some other peoples opinions. They're playing the game in accordance with the rules, and that is not a matter of opinion. If they want to keep you decced for the next decade, that's okay.
I always find people with questions like the OP to be odd, as if they didn't know what game they were playing at all. It's like someone being on a soccer field wondering why all the ball kicking and flopping was going on lol.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2126
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:27:36 -
[122] - Quote
"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?" |
Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:29:50 -
[123] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?"
While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1038
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:47:18 -
[124] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?" While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.
Well, no, it's not like that because that scenario would not be within the rules of soccer, whereas a huge corp stomping you across New Eden indefinitely is absolutely within the rules of Eve.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2129
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:58:29 -
[125] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?" While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running. I declared war on The Marmite Collective this year.
We're winning, by a huge margin. They outnumber us about 5 to 1.
Please stop citing member counts as if it actually has any bearing on anything. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10756
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:59:05 -
[126] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?" While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running. Well, no, it's not like that because that scenario would not be within the rules of soccer, whereas a huge corp stomping you across New Eden indefinitely is absolutely within the rules of Eve. '
Damn, I wish I'd said that, that's perfect.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10756
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Posted - 2015.04.17 16:00:16 -
[127] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?" While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running. I declared war on The Marmite Collective this year. We're winning, by a huge margin. They outnumber us about 5 to 1. Please stop citing member counts as if it actually has any bearing on anything.
It's just easier to be a powerless victim than it is to fight back and risk losing lol. As in game, so in real life unfortunately for too many. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
969
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Posted - 2015.04.17 16:49:05 -
[128] - Quote
Actually, I'd love something like wardeccing fees scaling depending on the area for aggression you specify. So for example, only one pipe of systems should be a lower cost than declaring war on anyone everywhere.
So taking that as an example, wardeccing a corp in only one system should be nearly free of charge, wardeccing them in a pipe of maybe 10-20 systems should be about the current costs, and deccing them in all of high would be slightly more expensive than currently. It would give a lot of reason to make a conflict local and drastically reduce the needed investment to only clear POSes in 2-3 systems or keep competing miners out of a couple belts in *your* homesystem.
Of course, that's just my opinion. |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2309
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:46:16 -
[129] - Quote
Lloyd Roses wrote:Actually, I'd love something like wardeccing fees scaling depending on the area for aggression you specify. So for example, only one pipe of systems should be a lower cost than declaring war on anyone everywhere.
So taking that as an example, wardeccing a corp in only one system should be nearly free of charge, wardeccing them in a pipe of maybe 10-20 systems should be about the current costs, and deccing them in all of high would be slightly more expensive than currently. It would give a lot of reason to make a conflict local and drastically reduce the needed investment to only clear POSes in 2-3 systems or keep competing miners out of a couple belts in *your* homesystem.
Of course, that's just my opinion. Sorry, but what keeps literally anyone from simply moving over a few jumps, then?
Your idea doesn't make sense.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2131
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:04:56 -
[130] - Quote
Lloyd Roses wrote:keep competing miners out of a couple belts in *your* homesystem. Except nobody does this because declaring war on anyone for any reason is a horrible idea if you're not a dedicated PVP entity. |
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2310
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:20:18 -
[131] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:keep competing miners out of a couple belts in *your* homesystem. Except nobody does this because declaring war on anyone for any reason is a horrible idea if you're not a dedicated PVP entity. Don't tell me what to do!
xD
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Trajan Unknown
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
8
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:24:30 -
[132] - Quote
Just a general tip that might have been posted here already so my apologies if I repost something.
Why you not figure out where these people operate and get more flexible by going somewhere else and rebuild your little indy coorp there? I mean, when you have all your stuff and your area of operation in one system or one constellation it becomes easy to disturb or completely shut you down. I personally wouldn-¦t even think about harassment I mean ransom people in EvE is popular and wide spread by a lot of people and the only case that I hurt of where it is harassment is, when you shut down the other ones choices. You have the choice to pay the ransom maybe they will come back a month or two month later and do the same again, maybe they won-¦t - who knows? :)
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
310
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Posted - 2015.04.17 20:20:17 -
[133] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?" While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running.
The Soccer ('Real' Football) analogy is kind of funny for me. In grade school, 4th grade or so, at recess a bunch of kids would play soccer but it was more like eve online null capital battles. It was always like 20vs.20 unorganized.
And your boot thing is funny because I liked wearing work boot like shoes to school. And one time I accidentally kicked a kick in the ankle while going for the ball. The weren't steel toes but probably felt about the same getting kicked by them. Boy was he mad.
I don't think anyone ever kept score but when the bell rang both sides would chant 'we won, we won' on their way into the building. That can sort of reflect the ganker mentality.
Oh look at that I just created content by socializing.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2325
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Posted - 2015.04.17 20:55:12 -
[134] - Quote
Tuttomenui II wrote:Miss Dallocort wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:"Is it okay for someone to keep kicking the ball into my goal like that, is it considered harassment?" While we're one the football analogy it would be more like a team of 2 vs a team of 300 with our team having heavy metal boots on preventing us from running. The Soccer ('Real' Football) analogy is kind of funny for me. In grade school, 4th grade or so, at recess a bunch of kids would play soccer but it was more like eve online null capital battles. It was always like 20vs.20 unorganized. And your boot thing is funny because I liked wearing work boot like shoes to school. And one time I accidentally kicked a kick in the ankle while going for the ball. The weren't steel toes but probably felt about the same getting kicked by them. Boy was he mad. I don't think anyone ever kept score but when the bell rang both sides would chant 'we won, we won' on their way into the building. That can sort of reflect the ganker mentality. Oh look at that I just created content by socializing. YAY \o/ :D
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2326
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Posted - 2015.04.17 21:15:44 -
[135] - Quote
*sighs*
The day ... ........ is saved! (i can be hired)
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2053
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Posted - 2015.04.17 21:17:37 -
[136] - Quote
SurrenderMonkey wrote: Well, no, it's not like that because that scenario would not be within the rules of soccer, whereas a huge corp stomping you across New Eden indefinitely is absolutely within the rules of Eve.
Except.... It's actually not within the rules of EVE to do it indefinitely across the whole of New Eden if you are stomping them (Rather than a mutual fight).
There is a point at which actions become harassment, and that's when the target has made significant efforts to leave from being a target and you still are specifically following them. I.E. They would have to move regions and change corps in this case. And if the new perma wardec then followed them after they have done that, they then start to have a case for harassment, since it obviously isn't economic warfare, or a particular market hub location, as they have actually taken serious steps and are no longer in the same markets. Till they bother doing that though, absolutely, they take whatever happens. (Assuming it's not the Wardeccer themselves drumming up ransoms) |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12652
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Posted - 2015.04.17 21:28:47 -
[137] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote: Except.... It's actually not within the rules of EVE to do it indefinitely across the whole of New Eden if you are stomping them (Rather than a mutual fight).
Yes, it is. It's not harassment just because they're losing, carebear.
Don't believe me? Drop a line to the GMs, see what they say.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2053
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Posted - 2015.04.17 21:38:43 -
[138] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Yes, it is. It's not harassment just because they're losing, carebear.
Don't believe me? Drop a line to the GMs, see what they say.
Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong.
Or rather you are right in what you said, but utterly wrong in responding to me, because I didn't say it's harassment because they are losing, and you didn't bother actually reading what I said.
If they attempt to avoid it, by closing the corp, moving significantly and joining another corp, and they are still being perma targeted by the same PLAYERS, and that part is important as CCP also clarified using other alts does not make it ok, then they start to have a case for harassment.
If they try and sit in the same system playing the same markets and wonder why they keep getting shot at on exactly the same gate, then sure it's not harassment no matter how long it goes on for, because they have taken no effort themselves. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12652
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Posted - 2015.04.17 21:42:55 -
[139] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote: Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong.
Wrong.
If you keep ducking wars and want to call harassment, they're going to ask you why you're in a player corp in the first place.
Wars are never harassment.
Like I said, if you want to know the truth, you can ask. You won't, because you refuse to do anything that might challenge your narrative that PvP is "griefing" and "harassment".
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1282
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Posted - 2015.04.17 22:08:08 -
[140] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Complete and utter fantasy drivel. See, that's what get's me going... People like you climbing on their high horse - Unicorn is more aptly fitting - not held back by lack of facts or evidence of their 'fantasy du jour' and argue with people who know every single thing better....
I don't mind for the people in the know but would someone please think of the children/noobs?!
I'll prove you wrong. Just wait.
D.
Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2344
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Posted - 2015.04.17 22:30:08 -
[141] - Quote
Let me try to end this.
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Yes, it is. It's not harassment just because they're losing, carebear.
Don't believe me? Drop a line to the GMs, see what they say.
Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong. Or rather you are right in what you said, but utterly wrong in responding to me, because I didn't say it's harassment because they are losing, and you didn't bother actually reading what I said. If they attempt to avoid it, by closing the corp, moving significantly and joining another corp, and they are still being perma targeted by the same PLAYERS, and that part is important as CCP also clarified using other alts does not make it ok, then they start to have a case for harassment. If they try and sit in the same system playing the same markets and wonder why they keep getting shot at on exactly the same gate, then sure it's not harassment no matter how long it goes on for, because they have taken no effort themselves. Yeah, that's right.
Let's ... for the sake of argument ... ignore that self destructing the pod in station ... ... which is now doable as far as I remember ... ... will move you away from your current location.
Which means it's actually impossible to lock anyone down in a station. It also means that it's rather easy to move far away from someone and it takes that someone time to get back to you.
If I keep going after you daily and you can not possibly play any other way ... ... they will tell me to stop or I'm gone.
Constantly denying a player the ability to play without any other means is griefing.
This, though, only ever works under two conditions.
The first is that there is no way I can lock you down in a station ... ... unless I counter any counter you try to defend yourself with. (ignoring self destruction)
That would mean that you couldn't even safely undock in your pod. You can't buy yourself a ship and fit it with stabs. Nothing.
The second is that I am not offering you a way out. (see the GM decision about bumping in C&P)
A GM ruling forces me to offer you a way out ... ... whatever it might be! Some people do singing ransoms, I kid you not!
Most people seem to find this rather hilarious! :) (social interaction provides content)
Assume I've locked you down in Jita 4-4. Assume it's your clone's home station, for the sake of argument.
Whenever you undock ... you get locked up instantly and we start shooting. You can't even get out with your pod.
A smart, experienced player will try to use google to find a way out. There might be something he doesn't know. There's always something. Maybe he'll come up with something.
For example ... There's a moon in Jita which almost perfectly aligns with the undock of 4-4. Instaundock and you're out!
And here's the thing:
The whiny idiots who don't belong into this game ... ... would have petitioned, even though it's not possibly considered harassment.
If it was a new player who couldn't possibly know what to search for ... ... then I would get a big fat warning for harassing a new player.
And the smart player, the one who "get's" EVE ...
... a) apologises if he did bad things ... (and most likely pay up or something) ... b) asks for a way to get out ... ... c) both.
Different.
If you sit in a wormhole and I permacamp all holes ... ... and you sit in there for a week and we still do it ...
... and you petition, then ... ... as a noob the GMs might move you out and we'd never know.(chances ... it happens ... why not) ... as an experienced player, they would tell you to self destruct.
If I deliberately trap you in a hole, by collapsing the entry you just went through ... ... knowing you have no scanner and no probes on board and you petition ... ... then the GMs will tell you ... ... a) to ask a friend you probably don't have. ... b) that people have successfully posted on the forums when they got lost ... ... b) to speak to the endless void that is local and hope for a response ... ... c) to kill yourself. Ingame, of course.
Most people have absolutely no base to even discuss this topic ... ... because they aren't even properly thinking about it.
Common sense. It's really easy.
All you people do is go through personal issues you have with the other person ... ... but do so in the context of game mechanics.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2344
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:20:24 -
[142] - Quote
I'd also like to add that if I never made the appropriate spaces in my posts ... ... the citation in my signature wouldn't make any sense. (:
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Lendren
The Obsidian Core TCC.
4
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:47:57 -
[143] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Let me try to end this. Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Yes, it is. It's not harassment just because they're losing, carebear.
Don't believe me? Drop a line to the GMs, see what they say.
Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong. Or rather you are right in what you said, but utterly wrong in responding to me, because I didn't say it's harassment because they are losing, and you didn't bother actually reading what I said. If they attempt to avoid it, by closing the corp, moving significantly and joining another corp, and they are still being perma targeted by the same PLAYERS, and that part is important as CCP also clarified using other alts does not make it ok, then they start to have a case for harassment. If they try and sit in the same system playing the same markets and wonder why they keep getting shot at on exactly the same gate, then sure it's not harassment no matter how long it goes on for, because they have taken no effort themselves. Yeah, that's right. Let's ... for the sake of argument ... ignore that self destructing the pod in station ... ... which is now doable as far as I remember ... ... will move you away from your current location. Which means it's actually impossible to lock anyone down in a station. It also means that it's rather easy to move far away from someone and it takes that someone time to get back to you. If I keep going after you daily and you can not possibly play any other way ... ... they will tell me to stop or I'm gone. Constantly denying a player the ability to play without any other means is griefing. This, though, only ever works under two conditions. The first is that there is no way I can lock you down in a station ... ... unless I counter any counter you try to defend yourself with. (ignoring self destruction)That would mean that you couldn't even safely undock in your pod. You can't buy yourself a ship and fit it with stabs. Nothing. The second is that I am not offering you a way out. (see the GM decision about bumping in C&P)A GM ruling forces me to offer you a way out ... ... whatever it might be! Some people do singing ransoms, I kid you not! Most people seem to find this rather hilarious! :) (social interaction provides content)All you people do is go through personal issues you have with the other person ... ... but do so in the context of game mechanics.
Much words. Such Ramble. Wow!
The short answer from this forum is no. Continuous wardecs are an intentional part of the game, and are not considered griefing or harassment. If you disagree, you can always petition a GM to see what they say. Arguing here is a pointless exercise because none of us really have any say in the matter.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2348
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:00:01 -
[144] - Quote
It's completely unnecessary to quote a post that's so big and so close.
And too late you are, as well.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
35990
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:17:00 -
[145] - Quote
Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Yes, it is. It's not harassment just because they're losing, carebear.
Don't believe me? Drop a line to the GMs, see what they say.
Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong. Or rather you are right in what you said, but utterly wrong in responding to me, because I didn't say it's harassment because they are losing, and you didn't bother actually reading what I said. If they attempt to avoid it, by closing the corp, moving significantly and joining another corp, and they are still being perma targeted by the same PLAYERS, and that part is important as CCP also clarified using other alts does not make it ok, then they start to have a case for harassment. If they try and sit in the same system playing the same markets and wonder why they keep getting shot at on exactly the same gate, then sure it's not harassment no matter how long it goes on for, because they have taken no effort themselves. Without a GM ruling, it's all just speculation.
The only word we have from CCP that I can remember in relation to wars is in the Grief Play article, where corporation wars are specifically identified as a standard part of conflict and not grief play:
https://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336
The aspect of persistent targeting of a player as being harassment is only clarified from my memory in relation to bumping and judged on a case by case basis, no other form of persistent targeting has any official word from CCP:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=199310&find=unread
It would be kind of stupid if wardeccers couldn't follow a wartarget around to put pressure on them. Being disruptive to a persons play seems like a fairly common strategic objective of a war, especially once mercs are part of it, where they could have been specifically hired to achieve an outcome against a Corp or specific players. But that's all just speculation too. Only a GM can say.
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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
24290
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:29:46 -
[146] - Quote
Wardecs? I'm pretty sure CCP is ok with those.
CCP Falcon reverses membership requirement for Alliance Logos after wardec threat.
fluorescent adolescent
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12654
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:43:46 -
[147] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote: I've never seen where CCP have said this:
Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong.
Can you link that clarification?
It doesn't exist, he's extrapolating from the bumping ruling.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3933
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:53:18 -
[148] - Quote
I can't bear to read to the end, so much overblown shite. Sorry. Some not especially skilled at PVP (high sec types) just sit around and wardec people, hoping for fun and profit. Could be because they were patrolling the Recruiting forum (whatever it's called), or the Recruitment channel (whatever it's called), or because they just saw you in Local. Any delusional reason that they might think a 2-man corp might provide KB padding. Or more pathetic yet, ISK! Or they may have multi-wardecs going, and shopping for fights.
Whatever, a hyperactive hyperdrive ADHD move, if they can't enforce it with some patience and waiting for you to move. And you're in control of that. And playing GTA while waiting.
My advice to you: Do not ever look up "worst guitar solo" on Youtube. You will be sorry. No joke. Really and truly sorry.
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Royal Imperious
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.18 04:13:05 -
[149] - Quote
Royal Imperious wrote:Just play denial games with the Deccers. Grief the griefers.
1) Log on, make sure they notice you, get in a fast (but not too fast ) ship. Set course for the middle of nowhere and watch them chase you across the universe, then laugh at them (quietly).
2) Log on, make sure they notice you, then jump clone 20+ jumps away, then go back to step 1)
Bonus: do this while playing with an out of corp alt.
Scipio Artelius wrote:Royal Imperious wrote: Grief the griefers. Someone who wardecs you is not a griefer, but you advocate griefing them? Is that the take away message of your post - you are in favour of griefing others.
No, I'm not in favor of griefing others, however I am very much in favor of returning that favor!
If the wardec has a point (any point) eg: denying you access to a certain space/route or any other strategic objective (including extracting ransom) then by all means this isn't a grefing wardec.
But consider this scenario I have been in multiple times:
1) Small corp gets decced by random 5-10 man corp for no apparent reason 2) Contact the deccers and offer them 25mil (half of the 50 mil to dec). This is to give an early incentive to end a pointless war. The deccer is not going to get more than 25 and certainly not more than 50 (which would make the dec profitable and furthur incentivize the dec. 3) The deccer is told that if the offer is rejected there will be no targets to shoot regardless. ... 4) The deccer asks for .... [Insert ridiculous amount of isk here] bil (because he/she is an idiot and doesn't understand the above logic and is adament the decs will continue until they are paid.) 5) No furthur communication with the deccers is permitted past this point. The deccer parks an alt in our home system. 6) We all wait x weeks (while playing with out of corp alts) until the deccer gets tired of losing isk for no good reason. 7) Dec ends
This whole thing (that repeats) over and over accomplished absolutely nothing other than the isk the deccer sunk into concord (Yay! lower inflation for all) and a waste of time on our end dealing with all this crap.
There was no tears, no fun, no gudfights, just a giant waste of time. Decs need to have an objective and an outcome of consequence (snap thats what eve is supposed to be all about).
No objective = no point = nothing more than annoying other players. So if you are going to waste my time (grief me), guess what, I'm going to waste yours (grief you). Now we have come full circle. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2138
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Posted - 2015.04.18 06:27:27 -
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This is why carebears are horrible at diplomacy. They can't do basic math and apparently don't understand the concept of value either.
I mean wow, there's so much wrong with that post that it boggles the mind. First and foremost if it costs someone 50 million to be at war with you, and they want to be at war with you, why the crap would they ever accept 50 million to not be at war with you, let alone 25 million? They'd lose both the desirable condition that they'd paid money to create (being at war with you to begin with) and then also be down 25 million isk.
They'd stand to gain nothing by accepting it and they'd lose both money and the thing they paid for in the first place. Only a total moron would even think that's a viable offer to make. |
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2358
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Posted - 2015.04.18 07:38:28 -
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Last night, before I went to sleep I spoke to the almighty Bob.
I asked Bob ...
Quote:What should we do? I gave them my best, most easy to understand explanation but it's of no use? Oh Bob, what do??
And as I cried myself to sleep ... ... I had a dream ... ... and in this dream the almighty Bob spoke to me, and said ...
Quote:Only those who suffer will find wisdom!
And then I realised! It's so obvious! The best way to answer such questions is to put them up for a test against all those who think they know better!
Bob has spoken!
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2302
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Posted - 2015.04.18 09:09:48 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote: Except CCP have directly clarified that if you take serious attempts to avoid it, and the person continues repeatedly it does become Harassment, so no, in this case you are wrong.
Wrong. If you keep ducking wars and want to call harassment, they're going to ask you why you're in a player corp in the first place. Wars are never harassment. Like I said, if you want to know the truth, you can ask. You won't, because you refuse to do anything that might challenge your narrative that PvP is "griefing" and "harassment". You should make a career out of being wrong, you're so good at it.
There's no black and white regarding this type of thing. It would up to CCP to assess whether there's harassment occurring in this case.
If for instance players were to be war decced continuously, disbanded and then suicided ganked continuously, reformed into another corp and war decced continuously they would likely be guilty of harassing another player or group of players. The issue would be decided based on intent and reason for the war dec.
Of course CCP is really great at dismissing and ignoring blatant breaches of its own EULA and contract laws as they relate to online subscriptions so the most likely outcome is they'd do nothing, not because it wasn't harassment but simply because when it comes to administering and policy policing their game they suck.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2360
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Posted - 2015.04.18 09:14:06 -
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Thread should be locked.
It serves no purpose, is a dead horse and provides ground for manipulating those who need to be protected from themselves.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Ciel993
Archangels Inc. End of Natural Lifetime
10
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Posted - 2015.04.18 16:41:16 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:Thread should be locked.
It serves no purpose, is a dead horse and provides ground for manipulating those who need to be protected from themselves.
No kidding. I asked Bob and he predicts there will be pages after pages of nonsensical bullshit from the same sheep over and over again.
This isn't about game mechanics at all.
Just like every other similar threads on this forum, duh
but again, Forum online is just an integrated part of EVE, so nothing can be done about it |
Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2522
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Posted - 2015.04.18 16:44:49 -
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Ciel993 wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Thread should be locked.
It serves no purpose, is a dead horse and provides ground for manipulating those who need to be protected from themselves.
No kidding. I asked Bob and he predicts there will be pages after pages of nonsensical bullshit from the same sheep over and over again.
This isn't about game mechanics at all. Just like every other similar threads on this forum, duh but again, Forum online is just an integrated part of EVE, so nothing can be done about it No ... not really ... and no ... wrong again.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12659
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Posted - 2015.04.18 16:46:28 -
[156] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote: Of course CCP is really great at dismissing and ignoring blatant breaches of its own EULA and contract laws as they relate to online subscriptions so the most likely outcome is they'd do nothing, not because it wasn't harassment but simply because when it comes to administering and policy policing their game they suck.
Lol, still butthurt about the GM warning you got from all that time ago, huh? It's funny to see you still carrying that baggage around.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2524
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Posted - 2015.04.18 16:47:51 -
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*sighs* Children .... you really need to be policed constantly.
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12659
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Posted - 2015.04.18 16:52:03 -
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Eve Solecist wrote:*sighs* Children .... you really need to be policed constantly.
Oh, I forget, you might have missed this one, Sol.
Here.
Keep in mind, half of Infinity Ziona's ranting was deleted from that thread, so that's the edited version. That thread is the start of what resulted in them being banned from the game for the last nine months or so.
The follow up was even funnier, with three threads posted afterward complaining about forum moderation and threatening a lawsuit, then a pouty complaint thread on a third party website that got Malcanis going after them.
It was the best meltdown I've ever seen.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2545
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Posted - 2015.04.18 16:57:47 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:*sighs* Children .... you really need to be policed constantly. Oh, I forget, you might have missed this one, Sol. Here.Keep in mind, half of Infinity Ziona's ranting was deleted from that thread, so that's the edited version. That thread is the start of what resulted in them being banned from the game for the last nine months or so. The follow up was even funnier, with three threads posted afterward complaining about forum moderation and threatening a lawsuit, then a pouty complaint thread on a third party website that got Malcanis going after them. It was the best meltdown I've ever seen. Hey hey I was part of this too!!!! ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
362
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Posted - 2015.04.18 17:11:58 -
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I was under the assumption that "ignore" stopped you seeing what was put into local. By not ignoring, and you claiming this is "harassment". then you by rote, are "harassing" yourself.
Stop being a pathetically weak individual. |
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2561
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Posted - 2015.04.18 17:39:01 -
[161] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:I was under the assumption that "ignore" stopped you seeing what was put into local. By not ignoring, and you claiming this is "harassment". then you by rote, are "harassing" yourself.
Stop being a pathetically weak individual. It seems to me that "ignore" means ... ... believe only in what you already know and refuse to consider any contradicting or additional information!
Sheesh, silly me ...
And Danalee! Hi! You keep liking my posts!
Do you like my new portrait? :p
^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2561
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Posted - 2015.04.18 17:42:46 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:*sighs* Children .... you really need to be policed constantly. Oh, I forget, you might have missed this one, Sol. Here.Keep in mind, half of Infinity Ziona's ranting was deleted from that thread, so that's the edited version. That thread is the start of what resulted in them being banned from the game for the last nine months or so. The follow up was even funnier, with three threads posted afterward complaining about forum moderation and threatening a lawsuit, then a pouty complaint thread on a third party website that got Malcanis going after them. It was the best meltdown I've ever seen. Proof! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4482144#post4482144
I love this one ... he's so well worth watching! ^_^
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Iain Cariaba
1277
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Posted - 2015.04.18 17:50:44 -
[163] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Do you like my new portrait? :p
^_^ Um... I hate to be the one to tell you, but your roots are showing. May want to get that touched up.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
1288
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Posted - 2015.04.18 18:13:40 -
[164] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote: And Danalee! Hi! You keep liking my posts!
Do you like my new portrait? :p
^_^
Hey there Sol Making me jealous and wanting to go plastic surgeon on my own persona. Again. Thanks! xxx
If you don't watch out I'll wardec each and every corp you join forever and ever just to harass you. I'm a real b**tch when it comes to stuff like that
D.
Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority
Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2833
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Posted - 2015.04.18 18:18:33 -
[165] - Quote
Iain Cariaba wrote:Eve Solecist wrote:Do you like my new portrait? :p
^_^ Um... I hate to be the one to tell you, but your roots are showing. May want to get that touched up.
Wait till you've seen my root .... argh nevermind ... no one wants to see my root .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Eve Solecist
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2589
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Posted - 2015.04.18 18:34:09 -
[166] - Quote
Danalee wrote:Eve Solecist wrote: And Danalee! Hi! You keep liking my posts!
Do you like my new portrait? :p
^_^
Hey there Sol Making me jealous and wanting to go plastic surgeon on my own persona. Again. Thanks! xxx If you don't watch out I'll wardec each and every corp you join forever and ever just to harass you. I'm a real b**tch when it comes to stuff like that D. Wow, funny you mention it!
I'd love to ask: Where should I apply? :D
I actually am looking for a corp! I'm telling you, every single one of them wants my contacts and mails.
Seriously, it's ridiculous!
I would *never* give away my contacts or mails, because people *trust* me that I won't do that!
At the same time is it completely wacko to trust into the API system!
Of course, okay, I get it, it keeps all those wannabe spies out who somehow feel it's "effort" to make a new blank char on a new account ! And it's "effort" to shove money to that character, mhm. (lol)
But why do *I* have to suffer? If I wanted to spy or infiltrate a corp, I OBVIOUSLY WOULD NOT USE ANY OF THOSE EASILY SPOTTABLE CHARACTERS !
Do you understand me? :(
*sighs*
Anyhow ... you look great! It's a very uncommon look, nerdy, smart, redhead! :D And it's so cute when you try to threaten me! :D
This one is one of my better posts. You should see the others ....
"I've tried to give up making sexual innuendos. But it's hard, so hard." -RoAnnon
ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3938
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Posted - 2015.04.19 00:54:07 -
[167] - Quote
Eve Solecist wrote:Last night, before I went to sleep I spoke to the almighty Bob. I asked Bob ... Quote:What should we do? I gave them my best, most easy to understand explanation but it's of no use? Oh Bob, what do?? And as I cried myself to sleep ... ... I had a dream ... ... and in this dream the almighty Bob spoke to me, and said ... Quote:Only those who suffer will find wisdom! And then I realised! It's so obvious! The best way to answer such questions is to put them up for a test against all those who think they know better! Bob has spoken! I think Bob is a blues man. "You can't play the blues right until you've paid your dues."
My advice to you: Do not ever look up "worst guitar solo" on Youtube. You will be sorry. No joke. Really and truly sorry.
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Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
53
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Posted - 2015.04.19 08:59:11 -
[168] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Just wondering at what point a wardec continuing week after week after week........
is considered harassment if at all?
Imagine this as a high pvp orientated alliance wardecing a small industrial corporation (2 members)
The Wardec interrupts hauling but nothing that cant be handled with contracts.
The wardec is not planned to be stopped until a ransom is paid. There is nothing to stop them rewardecing though. -_-
Opinions? Did you lose any ships to them? That will usually make them stick around a while.
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Effect One
Vengeful Swan Vengeful Swarm
180
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Posted - 2015.04.19 09:16:01 -
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Miss Dallocort wrote:I replied stating that we would not be paying the ransom for two reasons, 1, it wouldn't hinder our operations enough to warrant it and 2, there was nothing stopping them wardecing us again. I cant just go on their word.
I wouldn't have paid the ransom anyway, just encourag other people do then do it.
It's been 4 weeks so far. =D
Speaking as someone who used to make a lot of isk doing that very thing, this line of thinking is very misconceived.
Firstly, once you have paid the ransom it is very unlikely you will be war dec'd by the same corp again unless they happen to forget they have war dec'd you before. I actually used to get prior corps I had declared against to confirm to current corps that ransom payments would result in no further wars.
Secondly, although it may not be hampering your 'operations', it is certainly interfering with your enjoyment of the game enough that you have decided to come onto the forums, moan about it and attempt some form of harassment argument to get it to stop.
As for whether it will encourage others too, people cannot see from your war history whether you have paid a ransom to end a war or otherwise (unless something has changed since my last spat).
'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
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Miss Dallocort
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2015.04.27 13:37:55 -
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Well you guys have been busy.
Just thought I'd post and let everyone know that the war ended.
I used a locator agent to find some of them and see if I could scare them (Went in my t3). Ended up killing a hauler with 2b in the cargo and some cruisers that came to get revenge. They didn't repay the bill. |
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2015.04.27 13:42:27 -
[171] - Quote
Miss Dallocort wrote:Well you guys have been busy.
Just thought I'd post and let everyone know that the war ended.
I used a locator agent to find some of them and see if I could scare them (Went in my t3). Ended up killing a hauler with 2b in the cargo and some cruisers that came to get revenge. They didn't repay the bill.
That is funny. Good Job.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2232
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Posted - 2015.04.27 16:44:46 -
[172] - Quote
See if you shoot people instead of complaining on the forum you have way more fun.
When in doubt, do violence. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21893
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Posted - 2015.04.27 16:48:46 -
[173] - Quote
Nice work! Now tell us who it was! ^_^
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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