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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:28:27 -
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As of last night Hoplite Brigade have declared war on WINMATAR alliance and within 24 hours its members will be kill on sight.
With Winmatars (and main Corp Biohazards) recent return to the Minmatar Militia no doubt discussions will have been happening across many Minmatar bodies as to how to approach this. Hoplite Brigade are making their position clear with this manoeuvre. We do not beleive that Aslon Seredith has returned to the militia with the Minmatars best interests in mind.
For militia pilots who are not aware of militia history Aslon Seredith is the alliance executor responsible for the minmatar civil war in 2013. His alliance had grown strong and he felt that other militia groups assets would be put to better use in WINMATAR hands, so he started killing other militia groups POSes in order to increase his own wealth and power. When WINMATAR were approached with a joint demand from approximately 10 Minnie militia groups to return the POSes to its previous owner and pay for damages the response was essentially 'make me'. The majority of the Minmatar militia, including Hoplite Brigade declared war and indeed drove his alliance out of the militia.
Instead of finding somewhere else in EVE to play, or trying to atone for past mistakes at this point WINMATAR chose ultimately to join our enemies in Amarr Militia, sinking as low as any ex Minnie militia group can go. Whilst there they were one of the main instigators behind the Amarr militias invasion of Hoplite Brigades warzone staging system of Lulm and subsequently the major Amarr offensive in Huola once again they were defeated by the Minmatar Militia and once again with Hoplite Brigade amongst those who stopped them.
Given this history we feel Aslons decision to return to the Militia under the banner of WINMATAR and Biohazard is an insult aimed at us and all of the Minmatar Militia. We have no reason to believe that if Biohazard and WINMATAR were to regain their former strength that they would behave any differently than before.
Indeed we can even quote Biohazards attitude from their corporations DOTLAN description:
"Glorious Victors in the aftermath of the Minmatar Civil War'13 and BurnHuola'14"
"Biohazard. is a dedicated pvp corporation that chooses targets over security. Our history is rich with war, deception and glory."
Whilst it is unfortunate that we have to give Aslon some more time in the spotlight we are doing this for the benefit of those militia pilots who do not know what they joining/co-operating with. Hoplite Brigade have no issue with the new line members or new corporations within WINMATAR this declaration of war and this statement is here to help you understand what is going on and why. Unfortunately if you opt to remain in WINMATAR/Biohazard then you will be attacked.
This will also mean that Hoplite Brigade pilots will be encouraged not to participate in any militia operations that involve WINMATAR.
If Aslon Serdith and co truly want to rejoin the Minmatar for the militias best interests then that is open to discussion, however at a minimum the WINMATAR alliance and Biohazard corporation would need disbanding. We have no inclination to tiptoe around the issue - Aslon you know where you stand with us.
Nameira o7
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.17 14:35:48 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:Some people take this game too serious. Thank you for the spotlight I guess, We're Recruiting. -> read more on www.winmatar.com
Then show a little maturity and humility, disband and come back at us without the baggage and an apology then we can consider what to do with you in this game if you want to fly the Minmatar flag. Did you think that you could simply walk back into the militia with your history and start recruiting again? Do you think we would be keen to watch you martial an army again in our back yard especially from the recruitment pool that could feed militia groups of good standing? We have the Amarr and their pirate network to deal with and we may as we'll get this bust up dealt with sooner rather than later before you can cause more damage.
Achieving victory requires sacrifice especially in the Minmatar militia, in defeating you at the height of your power within the civil war we had to sacrifice: time, resources, pilots, corporations and systems to both you and the Amarr to stand up for our friends In the face of your aggression. The Amarr made solid gains whilst we were dealing with you the last time. Minmatar militia look after their own and you chose to leave the club, not only that you then joined the Amarr and attacked us further out of spite.
You have our response - if you have the best interests of the militia at heart and you want back in the club then you need to give us a solid indication that you are not the AWOXers we had to dismantle, sacrificing the entities that you turned on us for seems a fitting demand. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:14:46 -
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Philpip wrote:I do love how people are demanding, yes demanding that a corp be disbanded and apologies made.
Isn't this the same egotistical, self important behaviour that you are getting your panties in a twist about?
Pot & kettle anyone?
This is a game, people play it how they want to play it. I, from experience, have a deep dislike for FW and plexing so I play the game a different way. I don't come on here and whine about it.
Likewise I understand that you guys have no interest in FW anymore, I fail to understand why then you want to complain about internal militia politics. We are being perfectly reasonable Aslon Seredith can open negotiations to let him play Minmatar FW again if he makes amends for screwing us over the last time he was involved.
If not then whilst we have no control over who joins the Minnie Militia this is still EVE and might makes right. We are under no obligation to let WINMATAR off the hook without cause. If Aslon wants to play FW with WINMATAR then he go join Gal Mil or the Squids. Sounds like the Amarr are not keen to have them back either. If he really wants to play Minnie FW in WINMATAR then he can do it whilst watching his back very closely...or he can show he is willing to play nice. After all as you say - it's just a game and WINMATAR and Biohazard are also just names right? |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:08:31 -
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Nala Decimal wrote:Policy Statement and Operational Strategy For WINMATAR.
WINMATAR. will continue to hold open militia fleets throughout the duration of these and any subsequent wardecs. We will be providing free fitted frigates and destroyers to any pilots who request them.
Our fleets and channels will remain open to all pilots including members of Militia alliances and corporations who decide to wardec us.
We will not be pursuing an offensive campaign against any Minmatar militia alliances or corporations. Members of these identities are free to join our open militia fleets and will be considered friendly when purple.
WINMATAR. will not be instigating any skirmish or opportunistic engagements against militia alliances or corporations.
We will be focusing on militia wide objectives such as the liberation of our home regions eventually moving to an attack on Amarrian sovereign space.
WINMATAR. will not disband.
Biohazard. will not close.
As we expected, you are not here to help the militia, this is simply further glory hunting or some sort of twisted Amarr plot. It is your pride that caused your fall the first time which does not seem diminished and God only know what you did to annoy the Amarr to bring you back here. See you in space, I advise you fit stabs :-) |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.20 10:41:46 -
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So as an update for various interested groups WINMATAR is currently under a war declaration from:
Hoplite Brigade
Ghosts of Deep Space
Ushra'Khan
These three groups account for not only the largest groups in Minmatar Militia but also from a simple glance at kill boards the most active groups also.
In addition Winmatar are under a War Dec from REPUBLIC - a group long associated with the Militia and Forsaken Asylum - high sec station camping types. Even though Scrapheap Mojo have accidently joined the War Dec on Winmatars side they are actually hostile to them.
This accounts for 610 Minmatar Militia pilots/associates of good standing. Not accounting the High Sec mercs of course.
In return Winmatar are receiving official support in joining the war from some other high sec station campers and some ex-Amarr pirates. This has a minimal impact on any of our operations as we are accustomed to using hauler alts if necessary (plus we live in Low Sec) also it is actually a pleasure not to have to worry about gate guns when we run across ex-Amarr pirates who we would happily engage anyway.
I will continue to emphasise that this dispute is not with WINMATAR line members and associated corporations. This is about WINMATAR, Biohazard and our lack of faith in these entities intentions considering these entities past behaviour and a lack of contrition. Our reasonable position remains - if Aslon Seredith and his associates want to participate in the broader militia then that is a possibility. However we do require a concrete positive reason to let you rejoin the club.
Nameira o7 |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.21 08:44:22 -
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Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:While I respect your stance and sticking to your guns you just handed BIO a fantastic profile raising recruitment tool in this post.
Be measured, enact destruction and when the world burns allow those that lie in ruins to pass your message on. Shouting from the rooftops with barely any kills is a mugs game.
This war isn't about kills, it's about education and content denial.
Anyone who joins WINMATAR will instantly see 5 war decs against them - even casual research following from that will show 4 of them are from Minmatar Militia groups that have a proven track record. They may even see this thread. All of this helps potential WINMATAR recruits or new recruits to think twice about 'drinking the kool aid'. If people see all of that but choose to stay with them then fair do's but they know where they stand. Obviously it's hard to measure how successful this is being but we are obligated to try.
Content denial is in the form of WINMATAR not being able to participate in what the main militia is doing, where it is making a system push, an I hub bash whatever. Op success in this one certainly.
On the issue of kills fighting is happening - Maximus is simply being careful to use agents who are not on the war dec so we cannot show kills. Max thought it would be funny to get some null sec guys to try and halt the hub bash last night - it didn't work but this is the sort of none sense we were worried about WINMATAR pulling. It is helpful to be proven right in our actions simply check the kill boards for Virmini (whatever it's called) and the NC guys killed and killing us etc were working for Maximal Decimal.
With regards to propaganda for recruiting - yes this policy is a risk, but then Winmatar are normally pretty proficient with their recruitment and propaganda. So having our view strongly pushed is necessary. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.21 10:49:21 -
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Mystical Might wrote:B R E A K I N G N E W S,
Aslon has accepted my offer to halp WINMATAR. in their civil war with the rebellious minmatar elements.
See you on da field ).
I fail to see how this makes a practical difference Mystical - you shoot us anyway... |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.21 11:25:38 -
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Mystical Might wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Mystical Might wrote:B R E A K I N G N E W S,
Aslon has accepted my offer to halp WINMATAR. in their civil war with the rebellious minmatar elements.
See you on da field ).
I fail to see how this makes a practical difference Mystical - you shoot us anyway... If true I suppose you are confirming that Winmatars declaration that they would not be taking aggressive action against the militia as false then? :) Shhhhhh - do it for the narrative. Aslon doesn't seem to mind. Says he's having an absolute ball of a time and doesn't mind anyone else getting involved. I'm assuming any "declarations" that they would "not be taking aggressive actions" against you guys only refers to them hitting your assets. They're too small to do that anyway. Did they clarify what they meant?
No idea - we don't believe them anyway. As I said a couple of posts ago they have already tried using some NC guys on us *shrugs*.
Apologies for breaking narrative - *ahem*....
Dastardly Mystical Might your support of the vile traitors of Biohazard has surely secured your doom! Prepare to face the full wrath of Hoplite Brigade! We might just get you into structure once... :)
Incidentally if anyone kicks us out of Lulm we didn't want that system anyway...just saying...
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.21 13:19:02 -
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Nala Decimal wrote:Policy Statement and Operational Strategy For WINMATAR.
WINMATAR. will continue to hold open militia fleets throughout the duration of these and any subsequent wardecs. We will be providing free fitted frigates and destroyers to any pilots who request them.
We will be pursuing an offensive campaign against any Minmatar militia alliances or corporations that officially affiliate themselves alongside the currently agressing entities. Members of these identities are will be considered hostile at all times.
WINMATAR. will be instigating but not limiting ourselves to skirmish and opportunistic engagements against militia alliances or corporations involved in a wardec with us.
We will be focusing on objectives such as huntilng and eliminating any legitimate targets we decide on. Engagements with Minmatar militia members will be judged on situational merrit.
WINMATAR. will not disband.
Biohazard. will not close.
[Updated: 20/4]
In a panic at this announcement I checked Winmatars EvE Who activity rating "Probably Active"...
Fight the militia (either yourselves or batphone our enemies/neutrals) and we win - you demonstrate that we were right to take pre-emptive action
Don't fight and find yourself locked out of a significant portion of the Minmatar Militia community - we win
Negotiate and agree to our terms and we both win - we make decent members of the community out of you (hopefully) and swell our numbers
Leave and we win - your attempted return to Minnie FW has been stopped (likewise for going inactive)
Your choice. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.21 14:41:41 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:610 Minmatar Militia pilots/associates out of which it seems only about a tenth are present... Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:I will continue to emphasise that this dispute is not with WINMATAR line members and associated corporations. This is about WINMATAR, Biohazard and our lack of faith in these entities intentions considering these entities past behaviour and a lack of contrition. Our reasonable position remains - if Aslon Seredith and his associates want to participate in the broader militia then that is a possibility. However we do require a concrete positive reason to let you rejoin the club.  you contradict yourself and also make some jokes while at it: - a reasonable position does not include wardecs right off the bat. - you do not own the club and therefore have no right to dictate who joins it. this attitude won't do any good. that much is certain.
We do not own the club it is true but between GOD5, HPLT and UK we provide the majority of active pilots to major militia operations, the majority of logistical support for moving ships deep into the Warzone, the majority of FC's, the majority of activity for the militia (kills) and the majority of high skill point/veteran pilots with ISK to burn on shiney things to help militia ops. You will be lucky to find a hub bash whose membership is less than 75%% made up of pilots from these groups. If the militia groups who have officially stayed out of this want to pick and choose who to have in fleet then they can but I wouldn't hold your breath.
Our position is reasonable to even give them terms to fly with us at all; the last time WINMATAR were in militia they AWOXed smaller groups because they assumed they were too big to stop. They refused all attempts at diplomatic resolution to the issues back then and no less than 14 militia groups declared war on them. That is what I call an Epic diplomacy fail carried out by utterly unreasonable people. Then they threw their lot in with Amarr militia and generally were obnoxious and unpleasant which is not a pre-requisite for being in Amarr Militia - there are plenty of Amarr who I actually get along fine with as players by the way.
Now they want to return to the militia, after they have alienated some of the Amarr even. With a narrative designed to provoke the Minnie militia (returning Herod of the civil war and the Amarr Militia!), without attempts at courtesy such as contacting militia diplos to try and normalise relations. Without any apology or acknowledgement that they were wrong in their choices. Our three groups (plus REPUBLIC and Scrapheap Mojo I presume) are in no mood to deal with WINMATAR and Biohazard of the old days. We need convincing that the leadership behind these entities have changed, unfortunately they are demonstrating that they still have the same attitude that caused our response to their return. If they have indeed got the same attitude then we will gladly remain at war in order to discourage new militia guys becoming tarnished with their attitude.
Liafcipee9000 I assume you see a side to Aslon and Maximus that the rest of us do not, this 'war' is not aimed at you, you have seemed a reasonable guy when I have flown with you in the past. If you think that those guys deserve a place of respect in the Minmatar Militia then they need to show that they have changed and you need to step up to build bridges. So far we are vindicated in our actions. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.21 15:48:05 -
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Mystical Might wrote:Everyone is a traitor in the eyes of HPLT.
Or at least, that's what Agha would have you believe :D.
Agha is a passionate guy : D
If you are referring to the ex Minnie guys in The Periphery my personal view is one of disappointment. When I was an ickle Minnie Militia new bro pilots like Annah Kitheran, Suun, Queen Denaerys (Agha as well obviously) etc were my hero's. There I was not knowing how to D-scan or what gate mechanics were, in my T1 badly fitted slasher thinking WOW!!!! whilst being in one of Annahs fleets brawling it out against pirates in a battleship composition, the Pirates drop a Moros on field and we kill it etc.
To get shot by those same guys has advanced my 'bitter vet' scale significantly. I can understand why some people feel badly about the situation. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.21 17:28:25 -
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Maximus Decimal wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: we make decent members of the community out of you. This is the problem right here. You belive that WMTR wants to slot into your predefined notion of what is decent, adhere to your outdated ruleset and become another cog in your machine. WMTR has never, and will never bend the knee to some half-bit, self entitled militia overlords. It is very naive to think that you can achieve this through force, or at all. Never A Pet
A militia is a community that fights side by side, with respect for every corp or alliance, every TLF new bro or soloist, every militia corp that has drifted off into inactivity but for a few members. All have the respect of their peers as they fight a common enemy in a way they choose with a level of integration they are comfortable with. Just like you cannot take Null sov (currently) without vast numbers and a capital wing you cannot play FW effectively if you don't want to co-exist with your community. You lack this respect for your fellow militia.
Perhaps if you did not see FW in terms of pets and overlords you would not be in this predicament. Is that what you thought the loyalist Minnie's were in the civil war? Pets? How did that go for you? Let us know if you change your outlook. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.22 09:41:45 -
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Out of curiosity - why on earth have WINMATAR declared war on White Knights of Britannia?
Seems fairly random really. Despite Tribal Force declaring war on you because of your history attacking militia corps smaller than yourselves you are already attacking smaller militia corps who to the best of my knowledge were unaligned in this dispute?
That book you read on diplomacy wasn't 'How to lose friends and alienate people' was it?
*bewildered*
Some goods fights in Eszur last night by the way. Amarr Militia, Civil War Targets lurking in ambush, Pirates, Capital escalations and Minmatar capturing another system. Was good fun :) after the stress wore off of course! |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.22 19:03:06 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Out of curiosity - why on earth have WINMATAR declared war on White Knights of Britannia?
Seems fairly random really. Despite Tribal Force declaring war on you because of your history attacking militia corps smaller than yourselves you are already attacking smaller militia corps who to the best of my knowledge were unaligned in this dispute?
That book you read on diplomacy wasn't 'How to lose friends and alienate people' was it?
*bewildered*
Some goods fights in Eszur last night by the way. Amarr Militia, Civil War Targets lurking in ambush, Pirates, Capital escalations and Minmatar capturing another system. Was good fun :) after the stress wore off of course! They were reposred as awoxers. Obviously Aslon does not like awoxers. So he wardec'd awoxers. any more silly questions you have?
So it wasn't because one of their pilots solo'd Max's (who is in NC not Minnie Mil...) 304,000,000 Force Recon ship in a Vexor 10 minutes before Winmatars wardec then? Because if that were the case that would mean delicious WINMATAR tears for everyone else...shame :)
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.23 18:20:55 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:What happend to White-Lotus.
Finally some more banter - everyone was getting along which is less interesting to read!
White-Lotus disbanded in order to re-organise, HPLT and I-NET were the two active corporations in WL and we had different play styles so we went our separate ways. Both corps are still in the militia and share fleets on occasion. HPLT is as active as it was in WL if not even more so than before.
Next question?
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
106
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Posted - 2015.04.23 18:44:56 -
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Mystical Might wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Aslon Seridith wrote:What happend to White-Lotus. Finally some more banter - everyone was getting along which is less interesting to read! White-Lotus disbanded in order to re-organise, HPLT and I-NET were the two active corporations in WL and we had different play styles so we went our separate ways. Both corps are still in the militia and share fleets on occasion. HPLT is as active as it was in WL if not even more so than before. Next question? #BurnLulm2015 RSVP
Tell me the date its planned for and I'll check my calendar... =ƒÿç
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
106
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Posted - 2015.04.24 09:40:42 -
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Maximus Decimal wrote:Mystical Might wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Aslon Seridith wrote:What happend to White-Lotus. Finally some more banter - everyone was getting along which is less interesting to read! White-Lotus disbanded in order to re-organise, HPLT and I-NET were the two active corporations in WL and we had different play styles so we went our separate ways. Both corps are still in the militia and share fleets on occasion. HPLT is as active as it was in WL if not even more so than before. Next question? #BurnLulm2015 RSVP I'll bring an honourable 3rd party to the party so we can party while we party dawg.
If you are after content then you are welcome, if you are going to wind up 'blobbing' Lulm then we will simply base elsewhere. We are not going to pretend that Hoplites could stop a combined force of The Periphery, NC and Amarr Militia. Whilst we like Lulm it is at the end of the day one system, don't say I didn't warn you :) |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
106
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Posted - 2015.04.24 11:40:29 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:Short Summary of this Thread of Butthurt with extra bonus quotes! 1. U'K + Hoplite Brigade declare public war against WINMATAR. - list all kinds of carebear reasons and personal problems2. Stop fleets because there is now WINMATAR. hovering in local. - " Why are we standing down FC? It's just one of them" 3. Cry out loud in local and militia when one of them is killed in combat. - " "WHY DID U KILL ME?!!!" 4. Leadership of U'K + Hoplite realizes theyre taking too much casualties. Fear a walkout of members. - " Our members cannot PVP Sir." 5. U'K + Hoplite Brigade end their war - losing it. Wars will end within 24 hours GF GF - CCP can lock this thread now. WINMATAR. wrote:We were operating on intel that Hydrogen was the most common element in the universe, apparently we were mis-informed and it is infact BUTTHURT.
That's news to me really, I think some people have not chosen to engage you when they are in 'public' fleets so as to not involve militia pilots who have not declared war on you. You know that thing called courtesy.
Not sure about the war ending - I know Hoplite Brigade are letting our War Dec drop so that Scrapheap Mojo can come out of their accidental assist to WINMATAR. Unless the plan has changed in the past 12 hours we will be re declaring once Angus and co are 'free'.
Fear not Aslon the drama will probably still continue. You may want to focus on the almost 15% drop in members from your recent peak, recruitment is not a problem for Tribal Force =ƒÿÄ
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.24 16:33:19 -
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Maximus Decimal wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote: You may want to focus on blah blah blah some more dribble
No Way!.... telling people what to do again? I am jacks complete lack of surprise. I have no interest in getting NC. involved with this, not to mention I'm a purely grunt there who likes to FC and give the guys who like small gang stuff some content. The fact that you think NC. could give a flying **** about you, WMTR or The Periphery is kinda dumb... I think if they wanted to fight anyone in the area it would be DT. I have been watching the kill boards and DT can drop it like it's hot man that Would be a good fight. As for NC. vs Hoplite... don't flatter yourself that we even care.
I'm sure we can expect to see them at another I-HUB bash soon Max. I know a few guys in NC who are pretty cool, believe me I have no doubt that NC are not officially affiliated with WNMTR.
I must have struck a nerve with the recruitment jibe I guess! You and Aslon could always make some more alts to recruit if it stung you that much =ƒÿê
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.25 11:40:28 -
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Harvog Aeon wrote:Well higherups in ushrakan refuse to understand that the views of the individual are not those of the corp. I have left my old corp Vanu Sov so as to not involve them in the storm brewing in militia. The heads have refused to speak to me and would appear to be ready to label a corp whose only (non afk) member that was online during the events was myself a traitor. Im leaving now to join Winmatar becuase having been labelled a Winmatar alt/supporter and told repeatedly I will be awoxed is not something I want to drag my old ceo into.
I beseech you enemies of Winmatar if you have any decency you will not punish vanu sov for my actions. If they are dragged in I will never forgive Ushrakan.
Have you posted on the wrong character? Or I am I missing something?
Assuming I'm missing something if you are accused of being a Spai!!!!!! the strategy of joining the group you are accused of spying for is an interesting one. Good luck dude.
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
106
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Posted - 2015.04.26 07:24:52 -
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Harvog Aeon wrote:Im joining becuase having been threatened publicly with being awoxed and having militia members refuse to talk to me. I need someone to guard my back. Im guilty by association for helping a Winmatar pilot with a pirate and joining a public oplexing fleet with three winmatar members in it. The judgement has been made anbd the result is that im guilty.
I think you are assuming that we are more organised than we actually are. We are all shooting WINMATAR members we don't have a formal 'suspected sympathiser' list, individuals don't really matter at a coalition level even if you have managed to annoy one or more groups. Even Aslon has been told what we expect if he wants to fly with us, really though if you knew this situation was happening and you choose to fly with WMTR then of course you are going to attract suspicion. Choosing to fly with the people that most of the militia leadership have declared to be enemies shows questionable judgement.
Seriously groups representing over 1000 Militia pilots are now at war with them, the collective wisdom of the militia is not wrong on this one. If you have joined them then leave again, you are not on a Minnie Mil most wanted list.
Anyway I can confidently say that the two objectives we set out for in the war have been met - WMTR cannot function as part of the militia to stab us in the back at a later date having poached potential militia members and grown strong. Their leadership once again are exposed as unreasonable drama-aholics so the reasons why they are not trusted is fresh in the new guys minds. (WMTRs stinking up militia chat hand their posts here have been very useful) Content denial continues to work as WMTR have now got nowhere in the WZ to even dock in safety; hunted by the Amarr, Pirates and Minnie Mil whilst only being able to dock in Minmatar systems.
WMTR can stay active, leave, implode or whatever it no longer matters, op success good try Aslon.
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
106
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Posted - 2015.04.26 12:44:04 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:Confirming WINMATAR. offers the most pvp content to be found in any FW landscape. Read more about our history on www.winmatar.com/historyRecruiting more pvpers that give 0 fucks about politics and just want to pewpew. www.winmatar.com
I would point out each inaccuracy point by point in your version of our shared history. But then you would just edit your site anyway. I look forward to reading all of it, if nothing else you have a promising career writing fiction. If you were a little bit (sorry a lot!)
more skilled diplomatically then you could have gone far.
History is written by the victors Aslon. Not by an alliance exiled by 2 opposing militias comprising 30 (ish) pilots attempting to claim the respective successes of each militia as their own doing.
It was fun playing forum wars with you and Max o/ |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
106
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Posted - 2015.04.26 15:01:30 -
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Mystical Might wrote:Is IT over?
Can I cancel the latest order for Popcorn?
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If there is one truth from my experience of Minmatar FW is that it is never truly over with WMTR, I swear someone high up in the militia must have unearthed a space mummies tomb and they are our resulting curse. They may hang around to cause more trouble but they will eventually move on. At which point I wish good luck in EVE until the next time they come back to haunt us (probably when no one is talking about them again and they need some time in the sun). |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.27 08:59:54 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:ValentinaDLM wrote:Yuri Antollare wrote:Really, two threads for a corp with just over 100 kills this month.
I think the twentieth highest killer in my corp has more... To be totally fair what Hoplite, et al are worried about seems to be the potential for Winmatar. to get large again, more than their current battlefield performance, after all Winmatar. could get a few more corps and get much larger quickly. Still I have to admit, that even in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone (which seems to have a fair bit fewer kills than the Cal/gal one) that seems like a really low amount of activity. The entire alliance wouldn't make the top 10 list in my corp :/ https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98166867/top/ Agreed so what made them think forum tears would not help me? Been pretty much in the spotlight the last days and it's helping me a lot.
You have had no tears from me Aslon, as I said op-success anyone who is joining you now is very likely to be doing so with the deliberate intention of trying to grief the Minmatar Militia instead of simple ignorance. These pilots would never be useful recruits for the Tribal Force coalition and the rest of the Militia. It is likely that they would otherwise be neutrals/pirates/awoxers if they had not joined you. It is nice for us to have most of our potential problem pilots in the militia concentrate themselves into one alliance that we can conveniently war dec.
In addition every time you try to trip up our Hub bashes etc even if you only shoot war targets the rest of the militia sees our point of view further helping to ensure only the chaff join you, call it pest control.
Keep up the good work =ƒÿÄ |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.28 06:36:44 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Can't take anything Hoplite Brigade says seriously. My experience with them is that they are pretty much stabbed farmers, just worse cause they don't fit stabs but won't fight anything 99% of the time.
I have no idea who you are so forgive me if I don't lose any sleep, as we are one of the top kills corporations in the militia our pvp inclination speaks for itself. If you are talking about solo pvp there are many reasons why individual pilots don't engage and I know some of our pilots are more interested in solo pvp than others - but as you say if we are not fitting stabs then we are at least considering the option of a fight at any given time.
Try putting away the links/high grade slaves/uppshiping/bait tackle or whatever method of attack is your favourite tactic that contributes to 'solo pvp' being regarded with cynicism in EVE. If you use them it will only work once on me then yes I won't engage the same person solo because frankly I don't use slaves/links/drugs etc, I'm not inclined to feed kills as much as the next player. I know several pirates in the WZ that don't use those tactics who I will solo against, but you have to earn that reputation first.
Let's try not to derail the thread too far though - grrrrrrr WINMATAR. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
114
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Posted - 2015.05.03 15:15:42 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:As it seems, the topic makers are either very butthurt or don't whish to update their failure. Ill once again update u all how the progress of this roleplay crusade against WMTR is sailing: Update: Currently there are 11 wars against WINMATAR. We're having much fun and even seen groups stop fighting when their members took too much losses. For example Hoplite Brigade surrendered for the 2nd time and the war with U'K also pending to end for a 2nd time in which we strik victorious. .Here's the 2nd round of wars update against the big three: http://i.imgur.com/4JiccWv.png
There's also been some minor wardecs, that ended quickly or which agressors we never met on the battlefield. For example Vanu Republic surrendered for 50M - calling it a joke and good fun - which we applauded and honored their surrender offer. Recruitment is going very good, we're gaining more members who whish to just PVP and the targets we have atm are the most you'll ever find in low sec. U can read more on www.winmatar.com or evenews24.
Hello Aslon,
Thanks for reminding us we will press the war dec button again. We had forgotten about you I think, probably as you are so hard to find cruising around in that cloaked recon of yours. Shame the rest of your guys don't have the skill points to avoid PvP like you yes?
Congrats on picking people off at hub bashes or laying recon ambushes in medium plexes. I am truly frightened, let us know when you recruit enough to people that you feel confident in taking advantage of your target rich environment you keep bragging about!
Considering you won't accept the war dec and are always very keen to jump on the forums to pronounce victory when we forget to press the button again you are giving the impression of someone who absolutely does not want to fight us - just saying :)
Nameira
(I'm told UK is also pressing the button again, I suspect they had also forgotten about you, no idea about Vanu Republic.)
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
114
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Posted - 2015.05.03 16:18:18 -
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Marley Jr Gong wrote:Delicious drama, I have to say  From the perspective of an old scumbag, who was there with Minmatar Militia, HPLT, Aghi and Frank... before White Lotus, during White Lotus, after White Lotus and during Iron Oxide... and later went fulltime pirate when I had no taregts to shoot at anymore, and then went to slaughter some Amarr from the insight, just for being called "a traitor" by the Minmatar then... ... ..... @ Nameira Vanis-Tor: who the fck are you?? I remember the good times and the bad times, back then when I was flying with some of the finest people you can fly with in EVE (Aghi, Frank, Velonius...).. but seriously, I never heard of this Nameira Vanis-Tor dude. by all means, you seem to define some strange rules for being an enough "decent person" to join your somehow elitery "club" of "true Minatar" eh? But all I read (with the eyes of a true PVPer, who seeks -->FUN<-- in a -->GAME<---, all I see from you is tears of weakness. It screams weakness so much, that I somehow feel the very strange urge to come back and shoot me some ducks. Maybe WMTR could provide me with some gunfood? Seriously thinking about joining that party, for the LOLz :D no fcks given, seriously  and a very big +1 for WMTR's "we don't ask permission" attitude. I like that... a lot 
I could say the same about you my friend, I'm a director in Hoplite Brigade it's always nice to finally meet some old faces that I don't recognise perhaps you should have logged in a little? My campaign medals for the Civil War and Burn Huola are on public display I also FC on occasion. Have fun in WMTR, if you join sounds like you would fit in :) all traitors and corp washouts are welcome to hide with Aslon. You might struggle with the PVP bit though...unless you REALLY like Talwars.
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