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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
88
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Posted - 2015.04.17 09:28:27 -
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As of last night Hoplite Brigade have declared war on WINMATAR alliance and within 24 hours its members will be kill on sight.
With Winmatars (and main Corp Biohazards) recent return to the Minmatar Militia no doubt discussions will have been happening across many Minmatar bodies as to how to approach this. Hoplite Brigade are making their position clear with this manoeuvre. We do not beleive that Aslon Seredith has returned to the militia with the Minmatars best interests in mind.
For militia pilots who are not aware of militia history Aslon Seredith is the alliance executor responsible for the minmatar civil war in 2013. His alliance had grown strong and he felt that other militia groups assets would be put to better use in WINMATAR hands, so he started killing other militia groups POSes in order to increase his own wealth and power. When WINMATAR were approached with a joint demand from approximately 10 Minnie militia groups to return the POSes to its previous owner and pay for damages the response was essentially 'make me'. The majority of the Minmatar militia, including Hoplite Brigade declared war and indeed drove his alliance out of the militia.
Instead of finding somewhere else in EVE to play, or trying to atone for past mistakes at this point WINMATAR chose ultimately to join our enemies in Amarr Militia, sinking as low as any ex Minnie militia group can go. Whilst there they were one of the main instigators behind the Amarr militias invasion of Hoplite Brigades warzone staging system of Lulm and subsequently the major Amarr offensive in Huola once again they were defeated by the Minmatar Militia and once again with Hoplite Brigade amongst those who stopped them.
Given this history we feel Aslons decision to return to the Militia under the banner of WINMATAR and Biohazard is an insult aimed at us and all of the Minmatar Militia. We have no reason to believe that if Biohazard and WINMATAR were to regain their former strength that they would behave any differently than before.
Indeed we can even quote Biohazards attitude from their corporations DOTLAN description:
"Glorious Victors in the aftermath of the Minmatar Civil War'13 and BurnHuola'14"
"Biohazard. is a dedicated pvp corporation that chooses targets over security. Our history is rich with war, deception and glory."
Whilst it is unfortunate that we have to give Aslon some more time in the spotlight we are doing this for the benefit of those militia pilots who do not know what they joining/co-operating with. Hoplite Brigade have no issue with the new line members or new corporations within WINMATAR this declaration of war and this statement is here to help you understand what is going on and why. Unfortunately if you opt to remain in WINMATAR/Biohazard then you will be attacked.
This will also mean that Hoplite Brigade pilots will be encouraged not to participate in any militia operations that involve WINMATAR.
If Aslon Serdith and co truly want to rejoin the Minmatar for the militias best interests then that is open to discussion, however at a minimum the WINMATAR alliance and Biohazard corporation would need disbanding. We have no inclination to tiptoe around the issue - Aslon you know where you stand with us.
Nameira o7
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Zanzibar Heroshima
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
48
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:21:55 -
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Shouldn't you guys learn how to beat your current war targets before getting more? |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1691
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:27:40 -
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Good thing top Amarrian secret double agent, Angus Ritchie and the glorious warriors of Scrapheap Mojo are on the case to defend WINMATAR and Biohazard. A bargain too, we only had to buy five washing machines. |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous WINMATAR.
35507
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:29:29 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:We do not beleive that Aslon Seredith has returned to the militia with the Minmatars best interests in mind...
Instead of finding somewhere else in EVE to play, or trying to atone for past mistakes at this point WINMATAR chose ultimately to join our enemies in Amarr Militia, sinking as low as any ex Minnie militia group can go. Whilst there they were one of the main instigators behind the Amarr militias invasion of Hoplite Brigades warzone staging system of Lulm and subsequently the major Amarr offensive in Huola. And you want to prove that by being hostile towards those who are trying to make a change for the better? You want to greet a returning friend by attacking them? As I recall, you forced Winmatar to defect. YOU forced us out. and it was YOU who started the hostilities.
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? We are Minmatar. We should be helping eachother, not fighting eachother. We should be killing those filthy amarrians, NOT EACHOTHER.
Please, I beg you. call off the hostilities and help us fight the good fight.
FIGHT FOR FREEDOM!
FIGHT FOR MINMATAR!
Critically Preposterous is recruiting! Join the fight!
I am a cat.
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Shiva Makoto
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
91
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Posted - 2015.04.17 10:43:07 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:We do not beleive that Aslon Seredith has returned to the militia with the Minmatars best interests in mind...
Instead of finding somewhere else in EVE to play, or trying to atone for past mistakes at this point WINMATAR chose ultimately to join our enemies in Amarr Militia, sinking as low as any ex Minnie militia group can go. Whilst there they were one of the main instigators behind the Amarr militias invasion of Hoplite Brigades warzone staging system of Lulm and subsequently the major Amarr offensive in Huola...
If Aslon Serdith and co truly want to rejoin the Minmatar for the militias best interests then that is open to discussion, however at a minimum the WINMATAR alliance and Biohazard corporation would need disbanding. And you want to prove that by being hostile towards those who are trying to make a change for the better? You want to greet a returning friend by attacking them? Do you really think that discussions should start with fire? As I recall, you forced Winmatar to defect. YOU forced us out. and it was YOU who initiated hostilities. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? We are Minmatar. We should be helping eachother, not fighting eachother. We should be killing those filthy amarrians, NOT EACHOTHER. Please, I beg you. call off the hostilities and help us fight the good fight. FIGHT FOR FREEDOM! FIGHT FOR MINMATAR!
You have no idea.
This is the first time i cheer for minmil, kick them out of fw again! |
DeT Resprox
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
304
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Posted - 2015.04.17 11:34:20 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:We do not beleive that Aslon Seredith has returned to the militia with the Minmatars best interests in mind...
Instead of finding somewhere else in EVE to play, or trying to atone for past mistakes at this point WINMATAR chose ultimately to join our enemies in Amarr Militia, sinking as low as any ex Minnie militia group can go. Whilst there they were one of the main instigators behind the Amarr militias invasion of Hoplite Brigades warzone staging system of Lulm and subsequently the major Amarr offensive in Huola...
If Aslon Serdith and co truly want to rejoin the Minmatar for the militias best interests then that is open to discussion, however at a minimum the WINMATAR alliance and Biohazard corporation would need disbanding. And you want to prove that by being hostile towards those who are trying to make a change for the better? You want to greet a returning friend by attacking them? Do you really think that discussions should start with fire? As I recall, you forced Winmatar to defect. YOU forced us out. and it was YOU who initiated hostilities. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? We are Minmatar. We should be helping eachother, not fighting eachother. We should be killing those filthy amarrians, NOT EACHOTHER. Please, I beg you. call off the hostilities and help us fight the good fight. FIGHT FOR FREEDOM! FIGHT FOR MINMATAR!
Lol get out of here you deluded buffoon!
From: CONCORD Sent: 2015.04.17 09:35
Ushra'Khan has declared war on WINMATAR.. Within 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved. If war is due to a corporation at war joining an alliance, then the war starts immediately instead.
**DeT Resprox **
Leader of the Ushra'Khan / founding member
T.R.I.A.D CEO
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Aslon Seridith
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
288
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:32:11 -
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Some people take this game too serious.
Thank you for the spotlight I guess,
We're Recruiting. -> read more on www.winmatar.com
pïí it's ASLON SERIDTH? | Minmatar Most Wanted #1 | Gave Amarr a Medal | Orchestrator of BurnHuola'2014
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Slevin-Kelevra
Sonic Jihad Diplomatic Immunity.
23
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Posted - 2015.04.17 12:45:45 -
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Lol at you random faction warfare nobody alliances, trying to act all high and mighty because an alliance that actually created content and fun wants to reform. Unlike you they want to grow the FW community, they created more fun and content at their peak then I have seen come out of FW in the last two years.
So yes, ladies and gentlemen if an inactive, boring, stuck in the old ways corp is what you are looking for then Bio and Winmatar don't want you. However if it is content and fun in Low Sec and FW that you are looking for you can do no better.
http://warptozero.net/
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James Clough
Dirt 'n' Glitter
13
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Posted - 2015.04.17 13:11:16 -
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Cripple fight!
#GLITTER http://i.imgur.com/KXyHvqy.jpg
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
568
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Posted - 2015.04.17 13:17:54 -
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Someone get me a dumpster-sized bag of popcorn, STAT! |
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agharaster
Hoplite Brigade
16
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Posted - 2015.04.17 13:28:33 -
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For EVE sake, the content they created was talwar blobs, boring as hell, bully behaviours against small minmatar corporations, the aggression of friendly moons and ultimately Shadow Cartel and hisec hub harassers as third party bethphones.
Please don't try to rewrite history, it's all marked fresh in both our memories and blogs and killboards.
The wardec is a message: there is no room in minmatar militia for Winmatar alliance. Disband both bioharzad and winmatar, apologise, keep your head down and we can start talking, otherwise our guns will talk for us.
Isn't this a freacking content?
P.S. Slevin, The last time Winmatar leadership called us "Nobody alliances" they had their heads crack open by nobody
o7 agha |
erg cz
Tribal Core
214
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Posted - 2015.04.17 13:56:36 -
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With recent POS battles between major pirate alliances in Schoorasana and Bosboger now things in Minmatar FW arena are getting more and more interesting... And now civil war. I think PLEX prices on Rens, Hek and Dodixie should crush very soon ;)) |
Slave Slayer
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
0
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Posted - 2015.04.17 14:30:57 -
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WINMATAR. is recruiting: www.winmatar.com
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/WINMATAR |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
90
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Posted - 2015.04.17 14:35:48 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:Some people take this game too serious. Thank you for the spotlight I guess, We're Recruiting. -> read more on www.winmatar.com
Then show a little maturity and humility, disband and come back at us without the baggage and an apology then we can consider what to do with you in this game if you want to fly the Minmatar flag. Did you think that you could simply walk back into the militia with your history and start recruiting again? Do you think we would be keen to watch you martial an army again in our back yard especially from the recruitment pool that could feed militia groups of good standing? We have the Amarr and their pirate network to deal with and we may as we'll get this bust up dealt with sooner rather than later before you can cause more damage.
Achieving victory requires sacrifice especially in the Minmatar militia, in defeating you at the height of your power within the civil war we had to sacrifice: time, resources, pilots, corporations and systems to both you and the Amarr to stand up for our friends In the face of your aggression. The Amarr made solid gains whilst we were dealing with you the last time. Minmatar militia look after their own and you chose to leave the club, not only that you then joined the Amarr and attacked us further out of spite.
You have our response - if you have the best interests of the militia at heart and you want back in the club then you need to give us a solid indication that you are not the AWOXers we had to dismantle, sacrificing the entities that you turned on us for seems a fitting demand. |
Philpip
Mutiny Ahoy The Periphery
117
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Posted - 2015.04.17 14:58:26 -
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I do love how people are demanding, yes demanding that a corp be disbanded and apologies made.
Isn't this the same egotistical, self important behaviour that you are getting your panties in a twist about?
Pot & kettle anyone?
This is a game, people play it how they want to play it. I, from experience, have a deep dislike for FW and plexing so I play the game a different way. I don't come on here and whine about it. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
90
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:14:46 -
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Philpip wrote:I do love how people are demanding, yes demanding that a corp be disbanded and apologies made.
Isn't this the same egotistical, self important behaviour that you are getting your panties in a twist about?
Pot & kettle anyone?
This is a game, people play it how they want to play it. I, from experience, have a deep dislike for FW and plexing so I play the game a different way. I don't come on here and whine about it.
Likewise I understand that you guys have no interest in FW anymore, I fail to understand why then you want to complain about internal militia politics. We are being perfectly reasonable Aslon Seredith can open negotiations to let him play Minmatar FW again if he makes amends for screwing us over the last time he was involved.
If not then whilst we have no control over who joins the Minnie Militia this is still EVE and might makes right. We are under no obligation to let WINMATAR off the hook without cause. If Aslon wants to play FW with WINMATAR then he go join Gal Mil or the Squids. Sounds like the Amarr are not keen to have them back either. If he really wants to play Minnie FW in WINMATAR then he can do it whilst watching his back very closely...or he can show he is willing to play nice. After all as you say - it's just a game and WINMATAR and Biohazard are also just names right? |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3247
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:17:46 -
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amarr victor!
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Philpip
Mutiny Ahoy The Periphery
117
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:21:52 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Philpip wrote:I do love how people are demanding, yes demanding that a corp be disbanded and apologies made.
Isn't this the same egotistical, self important behaviour that you are getting your panties in a twist about?
Pot & kettle anyone?
This is a game, people play it how they want to play it. I, from experience, have a deep dislike for FW and plexing so I play the game a different way. I don't come on here and whine about it. Likewise I understand that you guys have no interest in FW anymore, I fail to understand why then you want to complain about internal militia politics. We are being perfectly reasonable Aslon Seredith can open negotiations to let him play Minmatar FW again if he makes amends for screwing us over the last time he was involved. If not then whilst we have no control over who joins the Minnie Militia this is still EVE and might makes right. We are under no obligation to let WINMATAR off the hook without cause. If Aslon wants to play FW with WINMATAR then he go join Gal Mil or the Squids. Sounds like the Amarr are not keen to have them back either. If he really wants to play Minnie FW in WINMATAR then he can do it whilst watching his back very closely...or he can show he is willing to play nice. After all as you say - it's just a game and WINMATAR and Biohazard are also just names right?
There was no complaint, merely an observation.
What you clearly missed from my statement is that you have no right to make demands and in doing so is no better than the actions of Bio / Winmatar (which you are also associating with just 1 person).
No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!
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Nala Decimal
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
1
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Posted - 2015.04.17 15:30:28 -
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Policy Statement and Operational Strategy For WINMATAR.
WINMATAR. will continue to hold open militia fleets throughout the duration of these and any subsequent wardecs. We will be providing free fitted frigates and destroyers to any pilots who request them.
Our fleets and channels will remain open to all pilots including members of Militia alliances and corporations who decide to wardec us.
We will not be pursuing an offensive campaign against any Minmatar militia alliances or corporations. Members of these identities are free to join our open militia fleets and will be considered friendly when purple.
WINMATAR. will not be instigating any skirmish or opportunistic engagements against militia alliances or corporations.
We will be focusing on militia wide objectives such as the liberation of our home regions eventually moving to an attack on Amarrian sovereign space.
WINMATAR. will not disband. Biohazard. will not close. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade
90
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Posted - 2015.04.17 17:08:31 -
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Nala Decimal wrote:Policy Statement and Operational Strategy For WINMATAR.
WINMATAR. will continue to hold open militia fleets throughout the duration of these and any subsequent wardecs. We will be providing free fitted frigates and destroyers to any pilots who request them.
Our fleets and channels will remain open to all pilots including members of Militia alliances and corporations who decide to wardec us.
We will not be pursuing an offensive campaign against any Minmatar militia alliances or corporations. Members of these identities are free to join our open militia fleets and will be considered friendly when purple.
WINMATAR. will not be instigating any skirmish or opportunistic engagements against militia alliances or corporations.
We will be focusing on militia wide objectives such as the liberation of our home regions eventually moving to an attack on Amarrian sovereign space.
WINMATAR. will not disband. Biohazard. will not close.
As we expected, you are not here to help the militia, this is simply further glory hunting or some sort of twisted Amarr plot. It is your pride that caused your fall the first time which does not seem diminished and God only know what you did to annoy the Amarr to bring you back here. See you in space, I advise you fit stabs :-) |
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
342
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Posted - 2015.04.17 18:44:36 -
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The pendulum is about to swing back, time for Winmatar to move in early and start the farmer pig race to victory once more. There's easy money to be made and when things start to go the other way they can once again pretend it was all their work.
They did it before, it really isn't anything to be surprised about.
I for one am pretty damn happy i won't have to endure those ****** Talwar conga lines again. \o/
pew pew
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Abannans Forum Alt
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
19
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Posted - 2015.04.17 19:01:37 -
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Learn to let bygones be bygones for gods sake. Civil wars inevitably crush the both of you (see calmil for more information) it's not worth doing it to yourselves. Grow up the pair of you! |
Plato Forko
Percussive Diplomacy
145
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:13:07 -
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it's kind of sad that this is the top way to generate interest in FW these days. |
Moglarr
Operation Meatshield
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Posted - 2015.04.17 23:46:51 -
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Abannans Forum Alt wrote:Learn to let bygones be bygones for gods sake. Civil wars inevitably crush the both of you (see calmil for more information) it's not worth doing it to yourselves. Grow up the pair of you!
Hey, CalMil hasn't had a real civil war for over a year!
Side note, I'd totally back Winmatar joining CalMil. They could come live with me in Tama. We would have open fleets, free ships and good times! It would be fun! |
RonPaul Rox
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
89
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Posted - 2015.04.18 00:41:47 -
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Moglarr wrote:Abannans Forum Alt wrote:Learn to let bygones be bygones for gods sake. Civil wars inevitably crush the both of you (see calmil for more information) it's not worth doing it to yourselves. Grow up the pair of you! Hey, CalMil hasn't had a real civil war for over a year! Side note, I'd totally back Winmatar joining CalMil. They could come live with me in Tama. We would have open fleets, free ships and good times! It would be fun!
i'm pretty sure they should join gal-mil, we havent had a civil war since... ever?
and there are several Snuff corps we fight regularly that helped kick them out of win-mil a year ago.
PS can any Amarr dudes let us know why they left? im just curious
http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7884
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:05:56 -
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*popcorn*
How did you start?
The SP System
IFW
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3251
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Posted - 2015.04.18 01:51:31 -
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so.. who leads so far in the "war"
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic Space Warriors
850
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Posted - 2015.04.18 07:06:56 -
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farmers goes where it is best to farm. nothing new here |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
505
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Posted - 2015.04.18 07:35:36 -
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Getting in on the popcorn train.
The recent reactivation deal has clearly provided sufficient alts for Alson to have another go. |
Jirai Seridith
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
0
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Posted - 2015.04.18 10:53:39 -
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:Getting in on the popcorn train.
The recent reactivation deal has clearly provided sufficient alts for Alson to have another go.
Representing number #17 of Aslon's reactivated one man army |
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