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James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.30 09:59:00 - [1] One of the things that's been bugging me for a while now. MWDs and blockade runners. MWDs are hard to fit, and that's fine. However, it can be really rather hard to actually fit one to some blockade runners. Specifically, the Crane. The Crane you see, has 120 powergrid. With Engineering 5 this is 150 powergrid. This is _just_ enough to fit a 10MN MWD, if you're not wanting to fit any other modules. The problem's actually pretty simple - almost any mid slot module uses 1 powergrid. So I have to use a reactor upgrade to fit a MWD along with a couple of shield hardners. Crane: 120MW (150 engineering 5) - 2 low slots Prowler: 130MW (162.5MW)- 3 low slots Viator: 135MW (168.75) - 3 low slots Prorator: 150MW (187.5) - 4 low slots Now, I don't mind that the Crane is the slowest and has least lows. The tradeoff is it has 4 mids, and the highest base cargo capacity. I do find it irritating that it's the only one that has to fit powergrid upgrades to use a MWD. I also find it irrtitating that only 2 of the blockade runners can fit a MWD II out of the box, and they're the ones with the extra low slots to support the grid upgrades. So please, can we have a 20mw boost to powergrid on blockade runners? (or if you're looking for percentages, 20% would do the trick) 140MW. That 20Mw makes the difference between MWD and nothing else, and MWD II and a couple of hardeners.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:06:00 - [2] I'll agree to that - I never knew why CCP gave them all such crappy powergrids. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:08:00 - [3] as you said you got 4 mids so you have your advantage there. dont like it?, train for another races transport ships then. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:34:00 - [4] My old teacher used to say. Before starting a 3 year study to fully understand the innerworkings of the newest and most advanced blaster technology to date. Check out the 2 page brochure, that tells you what the study is all about. Is usefull advice.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:41:00 - [5] This is true, but you are flying THE best transport imo, your ship has the BEST layout for transport+tanking. A armortanking ship needs more pg, a shieldtankship less. This is why the caldari ships have less pg. Other ships need to think weither they are going to transport or tank (bit less with minmatar though), you can do both extremely well. The drawback is that you cant fit a mwd. The armor tankingversions have the problem they need to sacrifice a number of lowslots to gain tankingpower. You need to sacrifice 1 lowslot and you are set WITH a mwd. Its great being gallente , aint it? _________________________________________________
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.30 10:56:00 - [6] Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 30/10/2006 10:56:45 why bother with a tank hit it with nanos wcs and run for the hills. No matter if u get in a hardner or not, when ur tackeld and webbed ur dead anyway. Those ships are called "blockade runners" not "blockade tankers" the bigger version like occator and so on can be tanked and be used as a bait, but if u want to move something u want to move somethign and dont want to fight or bait have a save trip
Caius Sivaris Minmatar Dark Nexxus	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Caius Sivaris on 30/10/2006 12:59:13 Originally by: James Lyrus Prowler: 130MW (162.5MW)- 3 low slots Don't know where you get your Prowler but my mine only have 2 low slots and one is taken by a Power Diagnostic System in order to fit MWD + Med Shield Booster. Wiould even need to be a RCU to fit a tech2 MWD. So the Crane is not left out and is perfectly ok anyway. My low slots are PDS and Damage control, what would you fit if the grid made the PDS/RCU unneeded? I think the ships are fine.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.30 12:57:00 - [8] Originally by: madaluap This is true, but you are flying THE best transport imo, your ship has the BEST layout for transport+tanking. meh... doesn't matter how good at transporting is, the prowler is still a better blockade runner than the crane ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:37:00 - [9] God I can't wait to fit inertia stabs on my prowler _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Darknar	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:53:00 - [10] Edited by: Darknar on 30/10/2006 13:53:39 viator is THE best blockade runner with 3 lo slots and anough grid to slap on a MWD cloake and cap batterys, you can customise your ship for speed or bulk transport i see the viator being so good you can risk having 3 cargo expanders on it, and itt still alingns fast enough to warp out before a cruiser locks onto you. and even if they do there going to need at least 3 points of warp scramble 6000m3 lo sec blackade runner anyone or a 3 times as fast 3000m3 . only thing it cant get past is a decent bubble camp. all other runners are obsolete and granted they should be boosted

Imhotep Khem Vortex.	Posted - 2006.10.30 13:58:00 - [11] My Prowler only has 2 low slots as well. Should I return it? Seriously, I never fit an MWD on my Prowler. Why bother when you have instas. When they remove instas, then we will have to renegtiate the fittings. ____ "If your not dyin' your not tryin'." "Are you prepared to go all the way, Alexi?" DuGalle
Aleis Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:37:00 - [12] War ships Fit the prowler with a heavy missle launcher and a duel 180 auto cannon. Just funny to see a hauler running around with two cruiser sized weapons.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Imhotep Khem My Prowler only has 2 low slots as well. Should I return it? Seriously, I never fit an MWD on my Prowler. Why bother when you have instas. When they remove instas, then we will have to renegtiate the fittings. You are noob. So, die, please. 1. In 0.0 pair of average ceptors will catch you in few seconds on gate exit, but if you have mwd and cloak you have a chance to run away. 2. With bubbles and dictors MWD is your only chance to escape. MWD is practically must have when hauling in 0.0.
Andargor theWise Disbelievers of Fate The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.10.30 17:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Imhotep Khem My Prowler only has 2 low slots as well. Should I return it? Seriously, I never fit an MWD on my Prowler. Why bother when you have instas. When they remove instas, then we will have to renegtiate the fittings. Either: a) you've never been caught in a bubble camp b) you've been caught in a bubble camp, but they were idiots or asleep c) you are the luckiest person alive And don't give me the scout excuse to avoid camps. Sure it works, most of the time, but the camps I've seen are set up in seconds via interdictors. One minute it's clear, next it's camped. MWD for the survival win. - Got grief?
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 18:20:00 - [15] Originally by: James Lyrus One of the things that's been bugging me for a while now. MWDs and blockade runners. MWDs are hard to fit, and that's fine. However, it can be really rather hard to actually fit one to some blockade runners. Specifically, the Crane. The Crane you see, has 120 powergrid. With Engineering 5 this is 150 powergrid. This is _just_ enough to fit a 10MN MWD, if you're not wanting to fit any other modules. The problem's actually pretty simple - almost any mid slot module uses 1 powergrid. So I have to use a reactor upgrade to fit a MWD along with a couple of shield hardners. Crane: 120MW (150 engineering 5) - 2 low slots Prowler: 130MW (162.5MW)- 3 low slots Viator: 135MW (168.75) - 3 low slots Prorator: 150MW (187.5) - 4 low slots Now, I don't mind that the Crane is the slowest and has least lows. The tradeoff is it has 4 mids, and the highest base cargo capacity. I do find it irritating that it's the only one that has to fit powergrid upgrades to use a MWD. I also find it irrtitating that only 2 of the blockade runners can fit a MWD II out of the box, and they're the ones with the extra low slots to support the grid upgrades. So please, can we have a 20mw boost to powergrid on blockade runners? (or if you're looking for percentages, 20% would do the trick) 140MW. That 20Mw makes the difference between MWD and nothing else, and MWD II and a couple of hardeners. My alt has an MWD, shield booster, invulnerability field, and tractor beam on his viator... with average fitting skills and nothing but nanofibers in lows. This signature space for rent
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.30 20:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Caius Sivaris Edited by: Caius Sivaris on 30/10/2006 12:59:13 Originally by: James Lyrus Prowler: 130MW (162.5MW)- 3 low slots Don't know where you get your Prowler but my mine only have 2 low slots and one is taken by a Power Diagnostic System in order to fit MWD + Med Shield Booster. Wiould even need to be a RCU to fit a tech2 MWD. So the Crane is not left out and is perfectly ok anyway. My low slots are PDS and Damage control, what would you fit if the grid made the PDS/RCU unneeded? I think the ships are fine. Additional lowslots would be good for expanders, nanos or more stabs. A prowler at least can fit a 10mn MWD and ... well any other mods actually. Although I would tend to agree, that adding in the capability for 10mn MWD II would be good. shrug it's not really apocalyptically bad, it's just irritating that the ship that IMO is pretty much designed to be a fast MWD ship, is so tight on fittings you have to choose between a MWD and a shield hardener.
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:28:00 - [17] Originally by: Darknar Edited by: Darknar on 30/10/2006 13:53:39 viator is THE best blockade runner with 3 lo slots and anough grid to slap on a MWD cloake and cap batterys, you can customise your ship for speed or bulk transport i see the viator being so good you can risk having 3 cargo expanders on it, and itt still alingns fast enough to warp out before a cruiser locks onto you. and even if they do there going to need at least 3 points of warp scramble 6000m3 lo sec blackade runner anyone or a 3 times as fast 3000m3 . only thing it cant get past is a decent bubble camp. all other runners are obsolete and granted they should be boosted I have 2 setups for my alts Viator: High risk/low cargo (3750 m/3 cargo, nano's in all 3 lows. Goes about 2.5km/sec and aligns for warp like a frigate), and Low risk/high cargo (more like 7500 cargo, expanders in lows. Goes only 1.3 km/sec and aligns for warp more like a cruiser). In both setups I have a Medium C5L shield booster and an invulnerability field. The only thing id be remotely concerned about taking it through would be a large bubble camp with some astute webbing tacklers. If they can get a few webs on before its up to speed, that could be a problem, but only if they have decent firepower, because if its just a bunch of inties, it can tank that long enough to slow boat it to gate. This signature space for rent
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.30 23:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Imhotep Khem My Prowler only has 2 low slots as well. Should I return it? Seriously, I never fit an MWD on my Prowler. Why bother when you have instas. When they remove instas, then we will have to renegtiate the fittings. That works in low sec, but not in 0.0. In 0.0 you will die if caught in a bubble without MWD. This signature space for rent
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:27:00 - [19] Originally by: xenodia Originally by: Imhotep Khem My Prowler only has 2 low slots as well. Should I return it? Seriously, I never fit an MWD on my Prowler. Why bother when you have instas. When they remove instas, then we will have to renegtiate the fittings. That works in low sec, but not in 0.0. In 0.0 you will die if caught in a bubble without MWD. Quite. 820m/sec with local nanos and an AB II is nice, but it'd be nicer still to be able to fit a MWD (or MWD II) without having to stack on a grid upgrade.
gordon861 Minmatar Research Associates	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:05:00 - [20] One idea would be to give the blockade runners 5% off the penalties for using a MWD per level. This would encourage you to train up the Transport skills and make the MWD easier to use. Recruiting NOW !

James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.31 16:33:00 - [21] Originally by: gordon861 One idea would be to give the blockade runners 5% off the penalties for using a MWD per level. This would encourage you to train up the Transport skills and make the MWD easier to use. I'd be quite happy to suck up the MDW penalty, it's the fittings I'm worried about. Or was that what you meant?


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