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Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:41:00 - [1] With the T2 being on average 50 x the cost of the T1 equivalent, is the increased DPS etc really that noticable?
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:43:00 - [2] Edited by: slothe on 31/10/2006 09:45:29 yes and high t2 prices ,im guessing, is a combination of t2 producers being greedy (except some of course who keep prices reasonable i.e. NAGA ) combined with resellers (more of a problem nowadays) and mainly mission runners who are looking for a way to maximise mission profit by buying the best equipment, whatever the cost.
Gal'tashec Gallente Raptus Regaliter Process of Elimination	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:46:00 - [3] Definitly --- Author of A guide to buying bookmarks
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:48:00 - [4] Originally by: slothe people wouldnt pay that much if they werent. Yes they would. Some people have so much money they don't care what they pay for stuff. Others just have more money than sense. Personally, I've got the money, I just haven't got the last of the skills and want to know if the time sink is worth it as well as the isk.
Blighter	Posted - 2006.10.31 09:48:00 - [5] More damage, more speed, more tracking, more Survivability. Actaully, I'm not sure if I like the damage more than the extra speed I get from T2 drones. It can be the difference between keeping up with a ship, or just lagging behind it, shooting uselessly at it.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:06:00 - [6] Before I buy a set of drones, I usually hop into the channel price_check and sqwuak out a pc on the drones I want to buy. If I can find them in a decent quantity for a low price, I give them the isk to buy them (if they're low on hand), run out to the location and pick them up.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:11:00 - [7] they are good without ship drone bonuses. however, when you factor in ship bonuses such as the enyo / vexor / ishtar / dominix / moros they become much greater. so generally they are better. less so in non-gallente ships. but in gallente ships they truly shine and are wortj the money. of course there not worth the money if you havent got the money.
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:12:00 - [8] Yes Yes and Yes. Provided you have the other supporting drone skills. Combat drone operation, drone durabilty, drone navigation and sharpshooting as well as interfacing to lvl 4 at least. The T2 racial skills are expensive, best to go to each of the 4 faction home regions as this can save about 3 mill per skillbook(when I bought em way back they cost 8 mill from the npc's but someone was reselling em for 11 mill or so. Add electronic warfare drone operation for extra range bonus and of curse scout drone operation needs to be at lvl 5. F4T4L is Recruiting!
Blighter	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:19:00 - [9] well, don;t buy amarr drones, cause they are the worse drones of all the races. At least other races have some strong and weak points. Minnes are fastest. Gallente are slowest and most damaging. Caldari are in between, having decent speed and damage, and having the best tank. Amarr have the worst damage, 2nd fastest, but 3rd worst tank. and do EM damage.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:20:00 - [10] Oh, I have a nice Warden BPO with 200 ME :D Man that thing makes me so happy ^_^
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:21:00 - [11] Zerker 2's eat things. Really. Get T2 heavies on a nosinix with gallente BS 5 and watch peoples tanks vanish right before your eyes, its a sight to behold.
Victor Valka Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:25:00 - [12] Originally by: slothe however, when you factor in ship bonuses such as the ishkur / vexor / ishtar / dominix / moros they become much greater. Fixed it for ya. Enyo doesn't have a drone bonus, Ishkur does. As for T2 drones, all I can say is that they make a difference. The price-tag is well worth it, IMO.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: slothe however, when you factor in ship bonuses such as the ishkur / vexor / ishtar / dominix / moros they become much greater. Fixed it for ya. Enyo doesn't have a drone bonus, Ishkur does. As for T2 drones, all I can say is that they make a difference. The price-tag is well worth it, IMO. Ishkur has only a drone bay size bonus, no drone damage bonus. And agreed, T2 drones are definitely worth it. -- NMTZ forum
Malus NalJa'ka Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.31 10:42:00 - [14] Edited by: Malus NalJa''ka on 31/10/2006 10:59:23 HELL YES Disclaimer: Any spelling or grammatical errors are none of your business and/or made on purpose
Nicholai Pestot Gallente Havoc Inc	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:05:00 - [15] The same performance improvment you get with most upgrades from Tech I to Tech II with no additional fitting requirments.....hell yes! ________________ What you do is you store up the rage, let it fester while you gain strength, then use it to gank those weaker than you... and so the circle of life is complete
MellaRinn Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:09:00 - [16] Definitely worth the training and the ISK, tbh... My 2xOgre II, 2xHammerehad II (or ValkII), 1x Hobgoblin II vexor outdamages a 220mm Vagabond ^__^ Click
Hornymatt	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Noluck Ned Yes Yes and Yes. Provided you have the other supporting drone skills. Combat drone operation, drone durabilty, drone navigation and sharpshooting as well as interfacing to lvl 4 at least. The T2 racial skills are expensive, best to go to each of the 4 faction home regions as this can save about 3 mill per skillbook(when I bought em way back they cost 8 mill from the npc's but someone was reselling em for 11 mill or so. Add electronic warfare drone operation for extra range bonus and of curse scout drone operation needs to be at lvl 5. Anyone know if they've fixed the problem with drone navigation skill that was causing them to orbit the target too fast and hit poorly? I was 3 minutes away from drone nav 4 when I first read about this problem but over the past few months haven't seen any confirmation of it having been resolved?
Soulita Gallente Inner Core	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:19:00 - [18] Edited by: Soulita on 31/10/2006 11:26:57 T2 drones are worth every isk. They cause havoc. And yes Hornymatt, drones work well with drone navigation trained above lvl3 now. Lickspittle did a great job fixing most of the drone probs a few months ago.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:37:00 - [19] YES! Only just got them about a week ago, and they are indeed well worth it. The cost isn't bad, after all, how often do you find yourself losing drones? ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
Hornymatt	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:45:00 - [20] Thanks Soulita, must have missed that one. 3 minutes to complete lvl 4 makes me a happy chappy. I also agree about the worthiness of t2 drones, in Eve even a marginal advantage can make all the difference. In missions also, t2 beserkers against angel bs's and t2 lights against those pesky sipder II's are espcially satisfying. Finally, although they are expensive they at least don't have those suicidal tendencies that my harvies used to way back....
Ydyp Ieva Caldari Romarrian Empire	Posted - 2006.10.31 11:47:00 - [21] Though hammerheads II can use a pricesink :p But indeed T2 are a lot stronger then T1 drones, at least with enough high skills in drones. 5 T1 light drones (sorry can't get more on a ferox :P) couldn't break a NPC BC tank, while the 5 T2 equivalents kill it easy enough.
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.10.31 12:53:00 - [22] T2 heavy drones are usually 1/2 the price (or less) of their T2 medium drone conuterparts... T2 Ogres on a Dominix with Gallente BS5 do nice damage, just have to slow down the target.. And T2 warriors will make an inty pilot disappear/mwd out of there fairly quick
Khan Farshatok Caldari Occam's Razor Combine Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:16:00 - [23] Edited by: Khan Farshatok on 31/10/2006 13:17:01 T2-types do about 15% more damage than their T1 counterparts. (T2 drones, as all other T2 equipment [bar the T2 ammo], is supposedly 20% better than T1) Example: Ogre I Drone Interfacing 4, Heavy Drone Operation 4: 41.472 DPS Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Operation 4: 46.080 DPS Drone Interfacing 4, Heavy Drone Operation 5: 43.200 DPS Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Operation 5: 48.000 DPS Ogre II Drone Interfacing 4, Heavy Drone Op 5, Drone Spec. 4: 55.987 DPS Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Op 5, Drone Spec. 4: 62.208 DPS Drone Interfacing 4, Heavy Drone Op 5, Drone Spec. 5: 57.024 DPS Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Op 5, Drone Spec. 5: 63.360 DPS T2 Drones alone (without racial spec skills in play) are an across the board 20% increase in most base values (except optimal). That includes speed, damage, tracking and hit points. Heavy drones are a long training time and may not be worth it. I'd say Lights and Meds are always worth it, since its just a rank 1 to 5 get them to T2.
FreeHansje Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:32:00 - [24] It depends on how often you lose them. I have used InfiltratorsII just to check, but I can't 'feel' a big difference. Price<=>Abilities wise, no, I dont thionk their worth it, but as has been stated, at a certain point money is not alimiting factor anymore, so why not buy them? If money IS a limiting factor, however, and you tend to loose them often, well, no, stick to T1 drones. ----- FreeHansje Yes, I'm a Newby. So sue me!
Victor Valka Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.31 13:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: slothe however, when you factor in ship bonuses such as the ishkur / vexor / ishtar / dominix / moros they become much greater. Fixed it for ya. Enyo doesn't have a drone bonus, Ishkur does. As for T2 drones, all I can say is that they make a difference. The price-tag is well worth it, IMO. Ishkur has only a drone bay size bonus, no drone damage bonus. And agreed, T2 drones are definitely worth it. Yea. I know. But Enyo gets no drone related bonuses at all.
Michayel Lyon Contention Inc	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Khan Farshatok Ogre I Drone Interfacing 4, Heavy Drone Operation 4: 41.472 DPS Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Operation 4: 46.080 DPS Drone Interfacing 4, Heavy Drone Operation 5: 43.200 DPS Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Operation 5: 48.000 DPS Ogre II Drone Interfacing 4, Heavy Drone Op 5, Drone Spec. 4: 55.987 DPS Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Op 5, Drone Spec. 4: 62.208 DPS Drone Interfacing 4, Heavy Drone Op 5, Drone Spec. 5: 57.024 DPS Drone Interfacing 5, Heavy Drone Op 5, Drone Spec. 5: 63.360 DPS Nice to see my old calculations come to good use... --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions
Stephar The High Priest	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:12:00 - [27] Depends on server stability. I lost 5 Hammerhead II's in the course of about 30 minutes one night, all due to getting disconnected. There's also a few missions where NPC's love to target your drones. I really don't have a problem with drone prices, but Hammerhead II's at 2 mill each... that's rough.
Live Eye	Posted - 2006.10.31 14:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Hornymatt Anyone know if they've fixed the problem with drone navigation skill that was causing them to orbit the target too fast and hit poorly? I was 3 minutes away from drone nav 4 when I first read about this problem but over the past few months haven't seen any confirmation of it having been resolved? I slapped on 3 drone nagivation computers to my dominix and tried using 5 ogres with it. They hit on the way to the ships but they never hit when they started orbiting it, so given that there is no warning about using more than one navigation computer they have not fixed that. I suppose the best option is to use a drone targetting/optimal range module for each navigation computer you use but that takes up way too many medium slots for my taste. If only high slots could be rigged into medium slots... Live Eye
Astorothe Ono-Sensai	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:14:00 - [29] Definitively Yes.
Rick Dentill Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.31 15:30:00 - [30] YES! Take t2 heavies, if you have the bare minimum skills required i..e spec lvl 4 then you are talking about approximately 30% increase in firepower over tech 1 with heavy drones 5. That is pretty cool in itself. But considerà DPS for 5 Ogre II with Gal Spec lvl 4 = 466 dps DPS for 5 Ogre I with Hvy Drones lvl 5 = 360 dps With natural resists and hardeners its possible to cut damage down to 30 û 40% of base on even t1 ships. Factor in say dual reps on a bs and you are talking about happily tanking the t1 damage. The only time that I would agree with not using t2 is if you have puter/connection trouble or have yet to learn how to keep your drones alive. ItÆs a pain in the butt losing t2 drones but if you got the skills then no reason to lose them. Note: My calculation is based upon a dominix with BS lvl 5 and Drone interfacing lvl 5à LOL old habits. _______

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