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Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
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Posted - 2015.04.20 23:09:27 -
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What's your problem with the video? It's showing how you die the first time to be a capsuleer. "We payed the ultimate price" means we give our life away to be immortal. If I remember correctly, as per lore earlier the capsule and the cloning tech existed side-by-side. At that time only the strongest people could survive the stress to become capsuleer and control the ship. There were many dead during the trial and error style selection to be a capsuleer. The breakthrough was when the cloning met the capsule tech and they placed clones into the capsule. It enabled us to be capsuleer near 0% risk, but first time we need to leave our born body and transfer to our first clone. That's in the video. |

Tetsuya Wang
Gallente Taiwan
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Posted - 2015.04.20 23:14:01 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Tetsuya Wang wrote:If it's technically needed to use clone body to be capsuleer then it sound strange to have legislative mandate force that every single pilot cleared to fly a capsule-fitted vessel to have clone contracts. Also it says clone in pod is "surpassing anything the cloning industry had ever achieved before." But in the video showing how they made capsuleer, which confuse me, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZPCiqBLPM8 it's not in pod, which is strange too. Should we just exclude the information we get from the video? I don-¦t see the contradiction, in the video the brain scan is clearly shown as well as the termination of the old body; the same happens as soon as a breach of the Capsule in space is detected: a brainscan and transmission to the new clone as well as termination of the already doomed pilot by poison injection. As for the "clone contracts", that is just the roleplaying way to justify the monthly suscription/PLEX. If it's the same the pod wouldn't lead a breakthrough to clone tech...I think. Then just take it as the fee of maintain the clone system, by the way from the idea of plex=Pilot License Extension the roleplay description is already done, which I don't feel the connection toward clone contract. Also if it's essential I don't know why the article says people debating only about clone rather than take clone and capsule as one issue. I hope we can get a official answer but it seems that we don't have know? |

Tetsuya Wang
Gallente Taiwan
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Posted - 2015.04.20 23:23:18 -
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Vorll Minaaran wrote:What's your problem with the video? It's showing how you die the first time to be a capsuleer. "We payed the ultimate price" means we give our life away to be immortal. If I remember correctly, as per lore earlier the capsule and the cloning tech existed side-by-side. At that time only the strongest people could survive the stress to become capsuleer and control the ship. There were many dead during the trial and error style selection to be a capsuleer. The breakthrough was when the cloning met the capsule tech and they placed clones into the capsule. It enabled us to be capsuleer near 0% risk, but first time we need to leave our born body and transfer to our first clone. That's in the video. Nerath Naaris wrote: As for the "clone contracts", that is just the roleplaying way to justify the monthly suscription/PLEX.
I think its only a remnant of the old clone grades and prices.
I've quote the article, it says capsule benefit cloning rather than clone benefit capsule. And it also talk lot about the debate of using clone and finally CONCORD force the clone contract but no much debate on capsule. And if capsule usage is combine with clone essentially then all the debate should be "shall we use capsuleer?" rather than "shall we use clone on our pilot?". So I think there is a conflict between the book and the video. |

Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.04.20 23:27:38 -
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For the record, every time I get podded I imagine my new clone wakes up with a killer hangover. It's how the new brain should process the experience of dying: confusion, disorientation, major headache from the brain "growing" that fast, sensitivity to light and sound thanks to having brand new ear drums and retinas......
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Tetsuya Wang
Gallente Taiwan
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Posted - 2015.04.20 23:38:35 -
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Yah, I have same idea about get podded. I think podded is quite clear. The problem is about the JC and the origin of capsuleer, JC is just new so I think later on we will know more about it but origin of capsuleer seems like an old story which should be set when the game started so I am interesting to figure it out. |

Tetsuya Wang
Gallente Taiwan
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Posted - 2015.04.20 23:43:37 -
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By the way so Amarr belives their queen is the lady who should dead... or they just say god save their queen so she is not clone? |

Tetsuya Wang
Gallente Taiwan
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Posted - 2015.04.21 00:07:52 -
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Quote:By far the most well known and wide-spread kind is capsule-aided cloning, which came to prominence with the marriage of the capsule to the neural burner in YC 103. Capsule-aided cloning is limited primarily to capsuleers, and usually restricted to occasions when they are killed inside the hydrostatic capsule. When the capsule is breached through any means, the capsuleer is injected with a fatal toxin, while their brain is copied with a neural burner. This scan is then transferred to their clone, which is imprinted with a near-exact replica of their brain at the time of death.[15]
Cloning outside of a capsule is also possible, although the associated risks remain pretty much the same: The brain is scanned - and thereby ruined - and its contents transferred to a receiving station that instantaneously awakens the consciousness in a new clone. This can be done only under laboratory conditions, although technology in the area is progressing quite rapidly. The possibility looms that cloning may at some point take place outside the strictures of a capsule or a similar machine, though it's considered unlikely that it will ever be anything other than instantaneous.
Because of the short time-period between death and awakening of the clone, this method is not as controversial across the cluster as might have been expected, especially to many religions, who can more easily justify the transmigration of the GÇ£soulGÇ¥ from one body to another. However, many religious movements continue to insist that cloned individuals are mere copies, no more the original than a forgery of a work of art can be said to be.
From https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Death?_ga=1.34803174.632581405.1429565322
Also do not mentioned the usage of creating capsuleer. "usually restricted to occasions when they are killed inside the hydrostatic capsule" |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.04.21 00:17:06 -
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It is clear the OP does not speak English as a first language. I'll try to dumb it down.
History of the Capsule
- Jovians (5th race, unplayable) sell Capsule technology to the Caldari.
- At this time, Capsule technology does not including cloning... if you die in the Capsule, you die permanently.
- The Caldari experimented with the technology... but it had a high failure rate. ------ to use a capsule required extensive implants and mental training ------ if you did not have good mental training, the Capsule would put you in a coma (or "Mind Lock") ------ even with good training and proper implants, people would go crazy
- Capsule technology was still VERY useful, even though it was imperfect. So it was used against the Gallente.
- Capsule technology spreads
- Cloning technology is developed... but it is not popular because it is not very reliable.
*years pass*
- Cloning technology and Capsule technology are finally put together. ----- clones are grown with the implants already in them... no more surgery ----- training programs have gotten better ----- the cloning process is made very reliable due to the Capsule.
- To become a capsuleer... ----- your mind FIRST needs to be put into a clone body with all the implants you need ----- you are cloned using an "old" cloning process ----- your old body is killed because it serves no purpose anymore (and because it is the law) ----- with your new body and the capsule, you can be cloned over and over again without a problem.
- What about Jump Clones? They are "extra bodies" that you are semi-aware of. You cannot control two bodies at the same time because doing so would break your mind... or some kind of technological voodoo prevents you. This is much the same way you can't fly a ship and walk around in your body at the same time. To prevent your mind from sensory overload, your body MUST to be put into "stasis" when you are flying a ship.
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Tetsuya Wang
Gallente Taiwan
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Posted - 2015.04.21 00:29:09 -
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ShahFluffers wrote: - To become a capsuleer... ----- your mind FIRST needs to be put into a clone body with all the implants you need ----- you are cloned using an "old" cloning process ----- your old body is killed because it serves no purpose anymore (and because it is the law) ----- with your new body and the capsule, you can be cloned over and over again without a problem.
How does this part pop out?Only that video in 2012 or we have other data? Since that it is important why in the article talking about capsuleer and cloning don not mention it? Thank you for trying to clarifying my question. |

GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
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Posted - 2015.04.21 00:38:45 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:And just for a little more fun: The clone bodies that Capsuleers use aren't what you might think of as clones. They're not grown from a sample of a capsuleers DNA. They're generic bodies, assembled from biomass (quality varies. Sometimes human corpses, sometimes animal. sometimes vegetable) They have your face, because the skull's mostly replaced with plastic, which they can shape and then harden. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cloning
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.04.21 00:43:38 -
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Quote:How does this part pop out? Only that video in 2012 or we have other data? Since that it is important why in the article talking about capsuleer and cloning don not mention it? Thank you for trying to clarify my question. By the way it's YC115 now, right? There should be some "old capsuleers" in the world?
I know mostly through bits and pieces of info here and there over the years.
Read up on The Broker. More info regarding cloning laws come up in his lore... mostly because he violates them... and proves why the laws exist in the first place (specifically the "you can't have two clones active at the same time" law).
Other bits of info have been gleaned through the Fiction Forum (below General Discussion) where some DEVs clarify some things here and there.
The Chronicles also expand on some things here and there... but you have to read a lot of them before you start getting a clear picture.
As for the in-game year and "old capsuleers"... I do not know. I don't track on things THAT closely.
Also bear in mind that the fusing of Cloning and Capsule technologies is a relatively recent development. So "old capsuleers" from when the technology was new (some 100 years ago) are probably not alive anymore (or sane).
edit: I looked through some articles. TRANSNEURAL BURNING SCANNER This is what you are looking for OP.
Combined with an earlier article linked in this thread (which explains how implants are put into a body) it is pretty easy to deduce that it is MUCH easier and cheaper to use the Burning Scanner (which effectively kills you) and put you into a fresh body with all the necessary cranial implants... rather than go through numerous surgeries (which risk permanent death) to put those implants into your old body.
How did you start?
The SP System
IFW
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Tetsuya Wang
Gallente Taiwan
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Posted - 2015.04.21 02:37:41 -
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Thank you! combine with what I found https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=328744 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1519536&page=1&_ga=1.128166987.632581405.1429565322#8 I finally understand what happened and what I can do. Now I just have to check what new ARUA system (In the end of 2014 it's changed again-which is mine version) said. |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2015.04.21 20:56:07 -
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Tetsuya Wang wrote:By the way so Amarr belives their queen is the lady who should dead... or they just say god save their queen so she is not clone?
Most rank and file amarr believe she was dead but was miraculously resurrected.
In the higher circles It gets danced around very carefully, I mean are you going to try and tell the person in charge of both the largest space empire and the most powerful combat fleet in the known universe that they should give up that power and go back to being dead just because.
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