I'm going to give you a really big clue, OP. And I won't post it on an alt, either. Are you ready?

As someone who has ran/currently is running multiple high-sec piracy/mercenary corporations, I haven't had any problem with incoming war declarations, even in the very, very rare instances in which we actually received them.

Why do you think this is?

OP: Spends a paragraph discussing how good an EVE Commander he is; posts on an alt.

Sorry but I've played games with highsec war players. I've gotten a few kills in them and a lot of losses. Thing is, I'm -really- bad at this game, and I was working solo. I firmly believe a mix of competency + friends I could have delt my share of blows in highsec wars. When I'm in a real PVP alliance, even 20 man or so, we usually got a few kills and no losses from wars.

If we hadn't natural selection, which seperates the strong from the weak ...
... how do you think it would look like?

Without corps falling apart, there would be no point to corps at all.

Everyone could grow his corp potentially forever.


What I mean to say is that ...
... no one has the right to grow a corp.


Ask LOVESQUAD.

AT ONCE ( What happened to the 24 hr Period ? )

PERMANENTLY ( Yeah if they feel like renewing the fee )

a 1 man corps can wardec just as well as a 1000 man corps,

What I would really like to know is why YOU managed to have everyone permadec your corps, for that to happen you or a member of your corps must have done something to someone ?

Is this more a case of you paying the consequences of your actions and crying that it's not fair ?

action/reaction, I have had decs against and declared them ( POS Bashing for isk) even had corps jumpers kill some corpies, (1 man corps suddenly grows a few members), I laughed at them for being stupid.

So what happened to bring this hurt locker to you ?

So you are admitting you have a big mouth yet you are wondering why you are permadecced?

Maybe try STFU?

If you can't defend yourself, why would you draw attention to yourself by being controversial?

If you can't keep a low profile then you should not be running an industrial corp.

There are plenty of successful indy corps, but you've never heard of them. Guess why? Because they know how to keep good relations and keep their mouths shut.

Your arguement is that in high sec, where npc factions rule, that you should be able to crush any industrial corporation because you feel that you are superior.

Your arguement fits best in low/null sec. High sec is where new bros learn to grow in the game. How can that be achieved when 50m+ sp characters are in a 300 man group shooting down 5m sp characters and calling it leet pvp?

How can such low skill characters that most often trained into a mining barge even hope to fight off faction fit Battleships?

My arguement IS NOT that this SHOULD NOT happen. Im ok with faction fit BS's chasing down miners in a corp. However it is the Number and duration of it that i find broken.

[b]
You seem not to know that new playwrs with proper instructions can
bring down battleships. Takes them what, an hour ? to learn with practise.
You not knowing better does not change that.

I'm calling bullshit right about now.

OP is trollbait and nothing more.

Touch+¬, you got me.

D. Out.

The problem with war decs is there is no grey area where players can have choices on mitigating it. It is all or nothing. So small groups are easily overwhelmed by large and powerful forces. Sure you can cross your arms and say, "that's eve" But the reality is it does not make for good gameplay.

And this bullshit is what exposes you as a hater.
This thread should be locked, but as you wish to help us ....


You actually think this ends my argument.
You know that even if I digged one out (hey Ralph?) you would claim fake.

But tell you what.
You roll a new char and we show you.

Easily done and there will be no shadow of a doubt left.


So... what's your excuse now?

I'll end it with this;

I can make a corp.
In that corp I can mine, mission, have structures, have no tax and I can market PVP.
Anyone can wardec my small corp.

If that happens, which will be very rare, I can continue doing the same thing as before.

10 man corp? Same thing.
100 man corp? SAME THING.
5000000+ Alliance... guess what? Same yeah.

Your argument is so flawed it went from funny to sad and back, twice.
Wardecs should be free.


D.

The bigger they are, the more chance for the hunter to become the prey.

Also, no amount of battleships will ever kill my frigate and I have the added bonus of being able to split them up untill I have them right where I want them.

D.

Do you really expect us to believe that if wardecs were say limited to 3 per corp, that you would be happy? No, if your industrial corp was still wardecced you would be here on the forums claiming that they are still unbalanced because your corp was wardecced by someone bigger than you.

All a restriction on numbers would do is break wardeccers up into smaller corps, and hurt struggling highsec mercenaries even more than the current wardec mechanics already do. Raising costs would make an already too costly mechanic out of reach for small corps to dip their toes in PvP with or settle scores with other small corps.

You should be able to wardec someone whenever you want. You should definitely be able to wardec someone because it is your profession and people are paying you to do so. This is a sandbox after all.

New highsec corps, even purely industrial ones, are founded and flourish in the face of wardecs all the time. Just because you were not successful does not mean it is not possible. Learn from your experience, and try again.

You'd like that, wouldn't you? Wardec yourself and be done with it. Nop, won't happen.

You try and read our posts maybe? People offering real advice and help get ignored while you cherry pick small parts to make your flawed argument. You think we're slow or something?
It's a shame you thing so little of the EVE forum dwellers.

D.

Changed for the better. Indeed. Stop trying to get back to the olden days and live in the now.


Proof much? It's like that saying, proof or STFU

Proof much? It's like that saying, proof or STFU

Oh, wait... once you get your proof, we'll talk.

Meanwhile, stop making an arse of yourself and HTFU.

I said it

D.

In fact we already saw this happen with the Inferno war changes. Increasing the cost of wars just means the people who want to fight wars as their primary form of gameplay have to organize into larger groups to lessen the financial burden on the individual members even if they would prefer to be independent. The side effect is the increased power of war dedicated entities.

Anything that makes wars more exclusive will make the existing problems worse.

You always will be picked on, if you show no ability to defend yourself. Both in actual life and EVE-online. Sorry but if you, or anybody is somehow incapable of defending themselves they will get **** on.

Here's what you do:

1. Create a corp.
2. Set the tax rate to 0.
3. Put all your industry alts in that corp. You know, the ones that do all the refining and building; the ones that don't undock.
4. Keep your miners in a NPC corp.
5. Miners mine, trade the ore to station alts for refining and such.
6. Create a chat room to talk in.
7. Use hauler alts to move goods.
8. Profit.

Plan B

1. Create several 1-2 man corps for missioners/miners.
2. Set the tax to 0.
3. Create a chat room to talk in.
4. Wardec comes around, missioners can drop to NPC corp. Rejoin once over, or just go ahead and create a new corp. It's called corp hopping.

Oh, and don't use corp/alliance ads to recruit. It just brings unwanted attention. Object here is to maintain a low profile, but if **** happens; have a plan to deal with it.

Avoiding a wardec is easy. Avoiding ganks is a bit more difficult, but the smart player can do it.

Small fast hard hitting fleets meant to hit and run. Vexor Navy Issue with Logi support. My corp would be one of 100 that are decced. Unbelievably low profile I'm just another red in local not a gang with a very set plan.


Literally the easiest way to fight mercs.

So the OP is straight up asking for the dec shield exploit to come back, because he can't be asked to either play the game correctly or shut his mouth, and he believes that neither of those should have any consequences at all.

If anyone sniffs this ******'s main out, drop me an evemail, I want in on this.

That is a nerf. In fact, that is precisely what the present incarnation of wardecs was revised to avoid.

They were changed to get rid of specifically that.

Im not asking for further nerfs. Im asking that war dec costs would double after the first war dec and so on like the past 10 years.

Nope, it removed an exploit. And true to form, the carebears moved right on to a different exploit.

Your end goal is that wars either stop existing, or are so weak that they might as well not exist.

The answer is too damn bad. They're too weak already, if anything they need buffed, and their cost dropped to match the price it costs to flip a corp.

Also remember that the base cost of a war for corporations was 2 million isk with the doubling and a 3 war limit.

This made it possible for very small groups without an alternate source of income to exist. Whereas now the players that would form these groups join an established group rather than creating their own, adding to its power and contributing to its spending capability.

Instead of having many smaller, less dedicated PVP groups that a mixed or pve focused group could actually defend themselves against instead you get these powerful highsec apex alliances that Joe shmoe can't hope to seriously oppose.

There's also the fact that the ally system, or more specifically the unilateral nature of it, makes wars horribly unappealing to groups not entirely geared towards PVP. Not only is it certain that the only people who will ever declare war on you are dedicated PVP groups, but the size and power of those groups will be much, much greater than it used to be.

There were some benefits to the Inferno changes, but overall it has been super harmful to highsec PVP gameplay.

No. If you don't want people to pile on, you might try shutting your mouth.




What you want is for deccing anyone to automatically be a waste of time, isk and effort. You want wardecs to be 100% worthless.

The answer is no.

I reiterate, if anyone finds the carebear corp this guy is trying to hide, please let me know.

My only issue with wardecs is that they have no substance. No goals or objectives except your personal ones. I don't mind the current mechanics, but they can easily be avoided and/or abused at the same time by both parties. There is no substance in wardecs like you get out of FW. By substance I mean, capture/destroy X = profit or points. Only profit is from loot, tears, or isk via merc contracts. Wardecs need a better prize/motivator.

I'll bet most wardecs go something like this:

Red 1: We just wardec'd another corp. More targets! YARRHHH!
Red 2: YAH!
Red 3 and up: Alright!! YES!! Awesome!

Blue 1: We got wardec'd. Drop corp or you can just wait it out. Don't undock and give easy kills.
Blue 2: We could just create another corp and all join that.
Blue 1: good idea.

2 days later:
Player 1: Looks like the members of that corp either don't undock, or just dropped corp. No targets.
Player 2: BOOO!!
Players 3 and up: That sucks! They can't do that!

1 week later:
Player 1: Well, that was a waste of isk.
Players 2 and up: Agreed.


Some players are dumb, and those are the ones that get gut punched when a wardec comes around. I say to those people, "Welcome to EVE! Hope you just learned something!"

Yet. Like I said, if anyone finds the carebear corp this guy is trying to hide, let me know.

Thread's not gonna live long if you keep blowing up every time you take the bait man

Having a long employment history isn't a bad thing.

Crime and punishment isn't even the appropriate subforum for this thread. Warfare and Tactics would have made more sense.

[quote=Demerius Xenocratus]


Maybe not boring people to death? Maybe incentivize some form of gameplay besides the very worst PvE "content" in the entire MMO industry?

Why bother at this point?

Again welcome to C&P. We hope you enjoy your stay. As you must be new here I'll Cut you soem slack and recognise this comment and provide you with the first commandment of C&P.

1. Thou Shalt post with thy Main or GTFO.

I hope this clarifies why you will get ignored and be mercilessly trolled until you can follow this simple and quite liberating law of our fine forum. People who follow this rule tend to have a much better time here and find constructive conversation and help. People who hide behind forum alts well... I guess you know by now

PS Post with your main here and ask for a constructive conversation and you will get one. I personally will make sure as long as you don't whine, moan, make demands or threaten to quit and use this 'Main' of yours that it stays (mostly) on topic and you may discover various tactics and strategies used by many players to counter wardecs and any other nefarious activities that those of us who call this forum home happen to use.

PSS Make a new thread here with said 'Main' as this one will never get any of that due to it being created with a forum alt.