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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:40:00 -
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DT is one hour long, deal with not playing a game for that long and do some work during that break that you'd have to do later anyways.
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Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:42:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Godar Marak on 02/11/2006 14:43:39
 Originally by: Admai Sket
What he suggested is probably true.
You win prize for most r-tarded comment ever.
Anyhow, who gives a crap if downtime doesnt suit you? I think its just fine, downtime occurs when im at work.
If you dont like it then just move somehwere else.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:51:00 -
[33]
DT is when I eat, don't screw with my lunch!
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:04:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Edited by: Wild Rho on 02/11/2006 11:42:52
The downtime is set to suit the people who do the cluster maintenance, not you.
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Kerosene
Caldari
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:08:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Eilene Fernite
I think it's pretty obvious from the numbers that they picked downtime exactly right. There are no players online from 11:00 to 12:00.
(Yeah I know, I just couldn't stand it that nobody made this point yet. It belongs in a thread like this.)
I know you're just kidding but there's a grain of something in this. People tend to log off a bit before downtime due to not having enough time to do missions or whatever. This artificially skews the server graphs to make people believe the current downtime is at the lowest server population.
But as other people who haven't just flamed the bejesus out of me have said, I don't think I'd want hungover bleary eyed server maintenance guys running critical hotpatches and updates during downtime. Let's screw over Australia/NZ/GMT+9/10/11 instead. I'm very disappointed but not surprised at the selfish attitudes of many people in this thread though.
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Zinzal
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:09:00 -
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Id much prefer a weekly DT of several hours (as another unmentionable MMORPH does). Its done from, say, 4am to 11.am and causes practically do disruption at all. I assume these's technical reasons why this isn't done though.
At the moment I have to estimate how long I have to finish whatever I need to do which can result in longer DT than one hour.
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Sir Howard
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:18:00 -
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I so wish I was still in bed at 11 or 12 lol
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Felinuszzz
Caldari
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:18:00 -
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I wish DT wasn't so early in the morning for me.
I wish DT was in the afternoon, maybe around 6 PM would be nice.
Because then I'd be able to take advantage of all the complexes spawning like everyone else.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:25:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 02/11/2006 15:28:54
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 02/11/2006 15:25:45
Originally by: Admai Sket
FFS people stop flaming a guy who made a good point.
What he suggested is probably true.
Instead of being flame-tards, say something like 'good point BUT....' not scream at him like a moron.
Sheesh.
Not agreeing with someone's opinion/point doesn't equate to flaming my little padawan.
If I don't agree with him, or I simply don't feel like agreeing for the sake of being annoying, then I have every right to do so. Not you nor anyone can prove otherwise.
Even by that I STILL wouldn't be flaming him, as all I have done, is disagree with him.
"Good point, BUT..." - I'm sorry but if I think it's a bad idea/point I'm not going to say this..No....I said no...no really I'm not!..NO DIMWIT! It's not happening. The very idea that I'm going to sit and amuse someone's ego or fragile feelings by lying and telling him it's a good idea, and then to batter it down with dodgy careful logic, is not only an insult to my intellect, but it's also a huge insult to his and his person altogether.
Lying just to keep someone in happy lovey-dovey land where no one disagrees with them - what the hell. Yeah..I THINK NOT!! bs is what it is!
If I feel it's a bad idea, I'm going to say so, without remorse or bad feelings, because the reality of this whole thing is this, and pay attention now little one, cause this is important:
If he doesn't want the possiblity of someone disagreeing with him, and/or thinking he's making a bad point altogether, then he should probably keep it off the internet!!
Friggin darn carebear plushy pansy happy-land ego-centric freaks <-- now THAT is flaming.
Thats all! (No offense of course! <- I love this phrase..forgives you instantly of all the crap you just spewed out, cool aint it? )
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MeGrand
Gallente
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:30:00 -
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Look at it the other way around..
with DT where it is now, the aussies/asian are the best placed to farm the complexes :-) - i never get a chance for that stuck at work
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Craminu
Gallente
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene
I've been saying this for the last 3 years and I'm going to say it again. Today was proof that a 0900-1000 downtime suits everyone better than a 11-1200 downtime. Why?
0900-1000
1. US people are in bed.
2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work
3. MOST IMPORTANTLY east side Aussies are having their dinners
4. Asians are returning from work (my timezone)
11-1200
1. US folk are still in bed
2. UK people have woken up and the unemployed/students can't play
3. East side aussies are screwed. 9pm their downtime falls on. Screwed I tell ya.
4. Asians are mildly screwed with a 7pmsih downtime but it's livable
The current server count at 11:30am eve time is 11,000. This is proof that the reason of 'we chose the lowest population time' is no longer valid. The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
Please re-evaluate. Even one hour earlier would be preferable to 1100-1200. CCP will be at work, there's really no reason now.
wow uk sleep from 0900-1000 gmt. damm i wanna move there then. at 0900 i have been at work for 2hour already, i think i am gmt+1. work starts at 06:00 my time
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7654321
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:37:00 -
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/signed, DT should be changed. No difference for US but for UK/Euro it really matters.
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Sennlloy Wolf
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:43:00 -
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Looking at the graphs at coldfront (thanks to who ever posted that btw), it does look like the eve population is starting to grow again right before the current down time. It was not always like that.
Anway, I think that a possible "rolling" DT might work here. Say on monday it's from 9-10, on tuesday it's from 9:30 to 10:30, wedensday it's from 10 to 11, on thursday it's from 9:30 to 10:30 again and on monday it's from 9-10 again. Or maybe it starts monday at 10 to 11 and wednesday it's 9 to 10 and the weekends are the same as monday.
And on the "you don't want people to have to do DR right went the get to work" topic. Look, you can shift hours of the staff. Most 24 hours shops do that now. It's no big deal. I need to come to work at 6:30 am twice a week now while the rest of the week is a standard 8:30 start time.
Anyway, have a good day all.
Sennlloy.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:49:00 -
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i agree with changing down time to off-peak, but there is no reason for CCP to wake up so early just to do that, atm down time is fine. and we ve got used to it for years.
it really doesn't bother me, Asians have their own server so screw them,
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:13:00 -
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The real issues people have with DT's is not so much the hour it takes place, rather, it is the fact that every complex etc resets ever downtime, thus favoring those who are able to log in en masse after each DT.
Have DT whenever you want, but remove complex resets being liked to dt :)
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
The real issues people have with DT's is not so much the hour it takes place, rather, it is the fact that every complex etc resets ever downtime, thus favoring those who are able to log in en masse after each DT.
Have DT whenever you want, but remove complex resets being liked to dt :)
This is the only thing is this thread that makes sense otherwise leave D/T alone.
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Soumk
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:35:00 -
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I think downtime should be random just to give the playerbase a nice surprise.
No warning, just "click", power of the servers and chuckle.
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50freefly
Caldari
Purify
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:54:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Soumk
I think downtime should be random just to give the playerbase a nice surprise.
No warning, just "click", power of the servers and chuckle.
And Roxanna: Not all Asians are Chinese. 
BTW I am not Asian but I do live in Asia. 7 PM DT is okay, but 9-10 EVE time would be oh so much better!
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Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:56:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Edited by: Wild Rho on 02/11/2006 11:42:52
The downtime is set to suit the people who do the cluster maintenance, not you.
Bingo.
to the OP would you like to have to go in at 7am to get prepared to do db maintenance at 9am???
no i dont think so
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Zoxia
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:37:00 -
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There ya go!! we'll just have them implement a system where your downtime is choosen at the character creation screen and then everyone will have their downtime when they want it!!! ;)
um.........oh.......wait a minute??!! that would mean the game would never come up at all!!!
Nevermind!!
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EchoTheDolphin
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:40:00 -
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Chances are they've done intensive study and projected that the fewest users affected will be on at that time. As opposed to just saying, well, they should be in bed, they're at work etc.
ALthough personally, such a timechange as you suggest wouldn't personally affect me, and i wouldn't mind.
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Mark Amarr
Wingrove Weapons Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mark Amarr on 02/11/2006 18:57:43
I'm imagining Iceland is somewhere around GMT for timezone, as iceland is somewhere near(ish) to the UK.
They are a business, so they work primarily business hours.
Having the downtime start mid morning makes perfect sense - it gives them time for a little plan/briefing about what they are gonna do before taking the server down, then they do it and have the afternoon to fix it if something f**ks up.
I doubt they even collected data on when least users would be inconvenienced by downtime, let alone decided when downtime would be, based upon it - it's the best time for them to do the work, so that's when they do it and I, for one, don't blame them.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:51:00 -
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Downtime is the way it is because the servers are based in london and that's the time that most of the engineers get into work to perform maintenance.
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Futuri
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: EchoTheDolphin
Chances are they've done intensive study and projected that the fewest users affected will be on at that time. As opposed to just saying, well, they should be in bed, they're at work etc.
Lol, I'm 99% sure that the "intensive study" involved asking Bob the DB Admin "can you come to work at 9am? - no! - ok it'll be 11-12".
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:18:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Gonada
wonder if the euros will ever stop crying bout this.
suck it up girls.
Are you an auto-troll bot that cant read?
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene
I've been saying this for the last 3 years and I'm going to say it again. Today was proof that a 0900-1000 downtime suits everyone better than a 11-1200 downtime. Why?
0900-1000
1. US people are in bed
2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work....
And how many times do you need to be told that the time for downtime is not chosen based primarily on when the lowest population is on the server, but based on the time when the CCP employees in Iceland and the server guys in London can work together.
And from your own post above:
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0900-1000
2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work....
How do you expect them to do maintenance if they are just waking up or going to work atm? Well?
And don't compare stuff like WoW and other big MMO companies have downtime off-hours, blah blah. WoW and other MMO "big companies" have millions of subscribers, as well as multiple other sources of income like other games. They can afford to pay continuous overtime and other costs associated with having off-hours downtime.
Not saying CCP can't afford. But why increase costs, when having current downtime time already falls on lower server population?
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:35:00 -
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I agree with the op. From New Zealand the DT falls at a crappy time.
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:39:00 -
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It doesn't need changing. It's been the same time for as long as I can remember there have never been problems with it because it's the perfect time for the employees and if you did change it you would have lots of people whining about it being changed.
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Agama
Dragons Of Redemption
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.02 21:35:00 -
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Being an aussie I would love to see the whole DT moved.
Either bring it forwards a few hours (2-3hrs) or shift it back a few (2-3hrs). Having it slap bang at 9pm is just painful and has been my biggest bone of contention with Eve.
And please don't start on the whole "the admins/devs will be tired blah blah". What a load of rubbish.
Most IT admin groups usually work on some kind of shift roster anyway. And if any work was going to be done on the servers it would have to go through a change managment process anyway. Given that the servers are being run in the UK... I wouldn't be suprised at all if the staff follow the usual ITIL processes anyway.
My point is it would be great to slew the DT a litte bit as it would barely impact on the admin teams at all.
Please think of the Aussies (and New Zealanders and any other +10ish GMT person).
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.02 21:43:00 -
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Simple soulution for all those who don't like the hour that down time is in...
Move to a different time zone 
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