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Kerosene
Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:33:00 -
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I've been saying this for the last 3 years and I'm going to say it again. Today was proof that a 0900-1000 downtime suits everyone better than a 11-1200 downtime. Why?
0900-1000 1. US people are in bed 2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work 3. MOST IMPORTANTLY east side Aussies are having their dinners 4. Asians are returning from work (my timezone)
11-1200 1. US folk are still in bed 2. UK people have woken up and the unemployed/students can't play 3. East side aussies are screwed. 9pm their downtime falls on. Screwed I tell ya. 4. Asians are mildly screwed with a 7pmsih downtime but it's livable
The current server count at 11:30am eve time is 11,000. This is proof that the reason of 'we chose the lowest population time' is no longer valid. The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
Please re-evaluate. Even one hour earlier would be preferable to 1100-1200. CCP will be at work, there's really no reason now. __
Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear...
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Ferengi Commerce Authority
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:37:00 -
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Downtime is fine. Everyone will be negatively affected so get over it.
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Vladimir Ilych
Hidden Industrial Group
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:40:00 -
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no
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Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Smith Downtime is fine. Everyone will be negatively affected so get over it.
If everyone is affected the same, why would you care about shifting it by an hour? If another time makes more sense, I'm all for a change.
Forsch Defender of the empire
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Order of the Arrow
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:43:00 -
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I think down time is in the middle of the work day for the guys who MAINTAIN the system?
But if you want some geek that is bouncing off the wall cause of the coffee and tea he has been drinkning to stay awake messing with the system....
In other words...3/4 of the earth is covered in water...please stop crying.....I cant swim!!!!
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Wild Rho
Amarr Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 02/11/2006 11:42:52 The downtime is set to suit the people who do the cluster maintenance, not you.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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IonHammer
Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Raquel Smith Downtime is fine. Everyone will be negatively affected so get over it.
I am guessing your dt is not at either 9pm to 10 pm or in summer 10pm to 11pm then.
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Mak'shar Karrde
Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 02/11/2006 11:42:52 The downtime is set to suit the people who do the cluster maintenance, not you.
QFT.
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:48:00 -
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CCP please make DT 3 hours long and have it from 1800-2100 so I can go out and get sloshed with my friends without missing any opportunity to play. Thanks!
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Parsava Dei
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:50:00 -
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A little earlier would suit some, but it still wont change the fact that you cant log in for 1 hour.
But then again - I dont care if I cant play for 1 hour. I got plenty to do besides EVE.
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Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Zoxia on 02/11/2006 11:55:14 hmm tyhe game comes up at 7 am here i see nothing wrong on top of that its only for an hour!!downtime is from 6-7am in CST I dont think the US is sleeping. pleanty of people are up and about.
Maybe move the downtime to about o5oo-o6oo ??
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene I've been saying this for the last 3 years and I'm going to say it again. Today was proof that a 0900-1000 downtime suits everyone better than a 11-1200 downtime. Why?
The current server count at 11:30am eve time is 11,000. This is proof that the reason of 'we chose the lowest population time' is no longer valid. The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
Good job contradicting yourself and showing us all the in spite of your statistics and arguments the REAL reason you want downtime changed is to serve your interests. Take a break from the game, maybe take a shower and read the newspaper, have some hors d'ouvres and a cigarette, relax. Make a habit out of chilling out during downtime and you'll come to appreciate it in time.
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Raquel Smith
Caldari Ferengi Commerce Authority
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: IonHammer
Originally by: Raquel Smith Downtime is fine. Everyone will be negatively affected so get over it.
I am guessing your dt is not at either 9pm to 10 pm or in summer 10pm to 11pm then.
I live in England and can't work (yet); the downtime is right in the middle of my day. But hey, when the server is down I can find other things to occupy my time for 30 minutes to an hour.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:54:00 -
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Someone's doing the downtime on your server for your game. Would you rather they: a) start as they walk in the door, after having commuted to work and are possibly stressed as a result. b) have a chance to drink coffee, catch up on email, discuss any unusual circumstances for this particular downtime, and are otherwise bright eyed and bushy tailed.
One of these is less likely to have things go wrong.
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Chavtastic
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 02/11/2006 11:42:52 The downtime is set to suit the people who do the cluster maintenance, not you.
Actually, the hours suggested by the OP are pretty friendly to UK and Icelandic people. So in theory it should suit them.
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:57:00 -
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FFS people stop flaming a guy who made a good point.
What he suggested is probably true.
Instead of being flame-tards, say something like 'good point BUT....' not scream at him like a moron.
Sheesh.
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Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.02 11:59:00 -
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If you change the down time to that early you hit the late nighters in the US. as it is the down time comes around 4 am west coast time. you move it 2-3 hours earlier and thats prime late night gaming in the U.S.
I think the time is perfect as it is for the U.S.
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Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Admai Sket FFS people stop flaming a guy who made a good point.
What he suggested is probably true.
Instead of being flame-tards, say something like 'good point BUT....' not scream at him like a moron.
Sheesh.
who are you?? his forum groupie ALT ??
anyhow the only one screaming here is you :D
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Gwarnina
Minmatar eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:05:00 -
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Well, if you look at the server population graphs here, you'll see that DT is a couple of hours after the lowest player count. As CCP runs a business, I'm sure there is a business reason for putting the DT to where it is, rather than to where it would inconvenience the least amount of people. Reasons such as devs getting to work (or more often crawling out from under their desks), morning meetings involving boobies and such. Important Stuff (tm).
Having said that, I'd prefer the downtime to be earlier, but it's not out for a popular vote.
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:11:00 -
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I aggree with the OP, put it in the middle of the americans day and se how much they whine then !
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:20:00 -
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lol ----------
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Shionoya Risa
Caldari The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:25:00 -
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I like downtime during lunch tbh, only works like that during the winter though. :/
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Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Shankly I aggree with the OP, put it in the middle of the americans day and se how much they whine then !
shut down the servers around 1 am in the U.S. and see what happens ;)
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:39:00 -
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wonder if the euros will ever stop crying bout this. suck it up girls.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Dai007
Caldari Crabbs
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:42:00 -
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No need to change DT hours.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.11.02 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada wonder if the euros will ever stop crying bout this. suck it up girls.
Wonder if people will ever learn how to read and take notice of where the OP is actually from ..
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Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
Originally by: Gonada wonder if the euros will ever stop crying bout this. suck it up girls.
Wonder if people will ever learn how to read and take notice of where the OP is actually from ..
oh so its the asian farmers whining!! ;)
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Azrael Maxim
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:09:00 -
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Downtime whine nr.7982
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/11/2006 13:27:53 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 02/11/2006 13:25:47
0900-1000 1. US people are in bed 2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work 3. MOST IMPORTANTLY east side Aussies are having their dinners 4. Asians are returning from work (my timezone) 5. Server staff in London are still arriving at work and haven't had their morning coffee yet. They're hungover from the previous night, and are feeling a little bit grouchy.
11-1200 1. US folk are still in bed 2. UK people have woken up and the unemployed/students can't play. Perfect time to study or go to the Job Centre. 3. East side aussies are screwed. 9pm their downtime falls on. Screwed I tell ya. 4. Asians are mildly screwed with a 7pmsih downtime but it's livable 5. Server staff in London have had a chance to perform their live diagnostics and prepare the latest hot patch for deployment.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:28:00 -
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I think it's pretty obvious from the numbers that they picked downtime exactly right. There are no players online from 11:00 to 12:00.
(Yeah I know, I just couldn't stand it that nobody made this point yet. It belongs in a thread like this.)
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.02 13:40:00 -
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DT is one hour long, deal with not playing a game for that long and do some work during that break that you'd have to do later anyways.
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Godar Marak
Amarr Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Godar Marak on 02/11/2006 14:43:39
Originally by: Admai Sket
What he suggested is probably true.
You win prize for most r-tarded comment ever.
Anyhow, who gives a crap if downtime doesnt suit you? I think its just fine, downtime occurs when im at work.
If you dont like it then just move somehwere else. -------------------- \0/\0/\0/\0/\0/ Cant we all just get along? Wheres EVE heading? |
LoxyRider
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.02 14:51:00 -
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DT is when I eat, don't screw with my lunch!
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 02/11/2006 11:42:52 The downtime is set to suit the people who do the cluster maintenance, not you.
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Kerosene
Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Eilene Fernite I think it's pretty obvious from the numbers that they picked downtime exactly right. There are no players online from 11:00 to 12:00.
(Yeah I know, I just couldn't stand it that nobody made this point yet. It belongs in a thread like this.)
I know you're just kidding but there's a grain of something in this. People tend to log off a bit before downtime due to not having enough time to do missions or whatever. This artificially skews the server graphs to make people believe the current downtime is at the lowest server population.
But as other people who haven't just flamed the bejesus out of me have said, I don't think I'd want hungover bleary eyed server maintenance guys running critical hotpatches and updates during downtime. Let's screw over Australia/NZ/GMT+9/10/11 instead. I'm very disappointed but not surprised at the selfish attitudes of many people in this thread though. __
Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear...
We use spies. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever..
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Zinzal
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:09:00 -
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Id much prefer a weekly DT of several hours (as another unmentionable MMORPH does). Its done from, say, 4am to 11.am and causes practically do disruption at all. I assume these's technical reasons why this isn't done though.
At the moment I have to estimate how long I have to finish whatever I need to do which can result in longer DT than one hour.
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Sir Howard
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:18:00 -
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I so wish I was still in bed at 11 or 12 lol
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Felinuszzz
Caldari Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:18:00 -
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I wish DT wasn't so early in the morning for me.
I wish DT was in the afternoon, maybe around 6 PM would be nice.
Because then I'd be able to take advantage of all the complexes spawning like everyone else. --------- |
Cadela Fria
Amarr eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 02/11/2006 15:28:54 Edited by: Cadela Fria on 02/11/2006 15:25:45
Originally by: Admai Sket FFS people stop flaming a guy who made a good point.
What he suggested is probably true.
Instead of being flame-tards, say something like 'good point BUT....' not scream at him like a moron.
Sheesh.
Not agreeing with someone's opinion/point doesn't equate to flaming my little padawan. If I don't agree with him, or I simply don't feel like agreeing for the sake of being annoying, then I have every right to do so. Not you nor anyone can prove otherwise.
Even by that I STILL wouldn't be flaming him, as all I have done, is disagree with him. "Good point, BUT..." - I'm sorry but if I think it's a bad idea/point I'm not going to say this..No....I said no...no really I'm not!..NO DIMWIT! It's not happening. The very idea that I'm going to sit and amuse someone's ego or fragile feelings by lying and telling him it's a good idea, and then to batter it down with dodgy careful logic, is not only an insult to my intellect, but it's also a huge insult to his and his person altogether. Lying just to keep someone in happy lovey-dovey land where no one disagrees with them - what the hell. Yeah..I THINK NOT!! bs is what it is!
If I feel it's a bad idea, I'm going to say so, without remorse or bad feelings, because the reality of this whole thing is this, and pay attention now little one, cause this is important:
If he doesn't want the possiblity of someone disagreeing with him, and/or thinking he's making a bad point altogether, then he should probably keep it off the internet!!
Friggin darn carebear plushy pansy happy-land ego-centric freaks <-- now THAT is flaming. Thats all! (No offense of course! <- I love this phrase..forgives you instantly of all the crap you just spewed out, cool aint it?)
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MeGrand
Gallente Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:30:00 -
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Look at it the other way around..
with DT where it is now, the aussies/asian are the best placed to farm the complexes :-) - i never get a chance for that stuck at work
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Craminu
Gallente Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene I've been saying this for the last 3 years and I'm going to say it again. Today was proof that a 0900-1000 downtime suits everyone better than a 11-1200 downtime. Why?
0900-1000 1. US people are in bed. 2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work 3. MOST IMPORTANTLY east side Aussies are having their dinners 4. Asians are returning from work (my timezone)
11-1200 1. US folk are still in bed 2. UK people have woken up and the unemployed/students can't play 3. East side aussies are screwed. 9pm their downtime falls on. Screwed I tell ya. 4. Asians are mildly screwed with a 7pmsih downtime but it's livable
The current server count at 11:30am eve time is 11,000. This is proof that the reason of 'we chose the lowest population time' is no longer valid. The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
Please re-evaluate. Even one hour earlier would be preferable to 1100-1200. CCP will be at work, there's really no reason now.
wow uk sleep from 0900-1000 gmt. damm i wanna move there then. at 0900 i have been at work for 2hour already, i think i am gmt+1. work starts at 06:00 my time
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7654321
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:37:00 -
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/signed, DT should be changed. No difference for US but for UK/Euro it really matters.
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Sennlloy Wolf
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:43:00 -
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Looking at the graphs at coldfront (thanks to who ever posted that btw), it does look like the eve population is starting to grow again right before the current down time. It was not always like that.
Anway, I think that a possible "rolling" DT might work here. Say on monday it's from 9-10, on tuesday it's from 9:30 to 10:30, wedensday it's from 10 to 11, on thursday it's from 9:30 to 10:30 again and on monday it's from 9-10 again. Or maybe it starts monday at 10 to 11 and wednesday it's 9 to 10 and the weekends are the same as monday.
And on the "you don't want people to have to do DR right went the get to work" topic. Look, you can shift hours of the staff. Most 24 hours shops do that now. It's no big deal. I need to come to work at 6:30 am twice a week now while the rest of the week is a standard 8:30 start time.
Anyway, have a good day all.
Sennlloy.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.02 15:49:00 -
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i agree with changing down time to off-peak, but there is no reason for CCP to wake up so early just to do that, atm down time is fine. and we ve got used to it for years. it really doesn't bother me, Asians have their own server so screw them,
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:13:00 -
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The real issues people have with DT's is not so much the hour it takes place, rather, it is the fact that every complex etc resets ever downtime, thus favoring those who are able to log in en masse after each DT.
Have DT whenever you want, but remove complex resets being liked to dt :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
Helplessandlost
Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron The real issues people have with DT's is not so much the hour it takes place, rather, it is the fact that every complex etc resets ever downtime, thus favoring those who are able to log in en masse after each DT.
Have DT whenever you want, but remove complex resets being liked to dt :)
This is the only thing is this thread that makes sense otherwise leave D/T alone.
"Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
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Soumk
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:35:00 -
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I think downtime should be random just to give the playerbase a nice surprise.
No warning, just "click", power of the servers and chuckle.
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50freefly
Caldari Purify
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Soumk
I think downtime should be random just to give the playerbase a nice surprise.
No warning, just "click", power of the servers and chuckle.
And Roxanna: Not all Asians are Chinese.
BTW I am not Asian but I do live in Asia. 7 PM DT is okay, but 9-10 EVE time would be oh so much better!
/signed
Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right.
And they never meet.
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Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.02 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Edited by: Wild Rho on 02/11/2006 11:42:52 The downtime is set to suit the people who do the cluster maintenance, not you.
Bingo.
to the OP would you like to have to go in at 7am to get prepared to do db maintenance at 9am???
no i dont think so
Undercover Brothers It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö |
Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:37:00 -
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There ya go!! we'll just have them implement a system where your downtime is choosen at the character creation screen and then everyone will have their downtime when they want it!!! ;)
um.........oh.......wait a minute??!! that would mean the game would never come up at all!!!
Nevermind!!
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EchoTheDolphin
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:40:00 -
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Chances are they've done intensive study and projected that the fewest users affected will be on at that time. As opposed to just saying, well, they should be in bed, they're at work etc.
ALthough personally, such a timechange as you suggest wouldn't personally affect me, and i wouldn't mind.
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Mark Amarr
Wingrove Weapons Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mark Amarr on 02/11/2006 18:57:43
I'm imagining Iceland is somewhere around GMT for timezone, as iceland is somewhere near(ish) to the UK.
They are a business, so they work primarily business hours.
Having the downtime start mid morning makes perfect sense - it gives them time for a little plan/briefing about what they are gonna do before taking the server down, then they do it and have the afternoon to fix it if something f**ks up.
I doubt they even collected data on when least users would be inconvenienced by downtime, let alone decided when downtime would be, based upon it - it's the best time for them to do the work, so that's when they do it and I, for one, don't blame them.
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coldplasma
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:51:00 -
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Downtime is the way it is because the servers are based in london and that's the time that most of the engineers get into work to perform maintenance. ____________________________
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Futuri
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.11.02 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: EchoTheDolphin Chances are they've done intensive study and projected that the fewest users affected will be on at that time. As opposed to just saying, well, they should be in bed, they're at work etc.
Lol, I'm 99% sure that the "intensive study" involved asking Bob the DB Admin "can you come to work at 9am? - no! - ok it'll be 11-12".
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.11.02 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada wonder if the euros will ever stop crying bout this. suck it up girls.
Are you an auto-troll bot that cant read?
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene I've been saying this for the last 3 years and I'm going to say it again. Today was proof that a 0900-1000 downtime suits everyone better than a 11-1200 downtime. Why?
0900-1000 1. US people are in bed 2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work....
And how many times do you need to be told that the time for downtime is not chosen based primarily on when the lowest population is on the server, but based on the time when the CCP employees in Iceland and the server guys in London can work together.
And from your own post above:
Quote: 0900-1000 2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work....
How do you expect them to do maintenance if they are just waking up or going to work atm? Well?
And don't compare stuff like WoW and other big MMO companies have downtime off-hours, blah blah. WoW and other MMO "big companies" have millions of subscribers, as well as multiple other sources of income like other games. They can afford to pay continuous overtime and other costs associated with having off-hours downtime.
Not saying CCP can't afford. But why increase costs, when having current downtime time already falls on lower server population?
=================================== Above comments are my personal views
Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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MysticNZ
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:35:00 -
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I agree with the op. From New Zealand the DT falls at a crappy time. -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that *beats player with big stick* now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus |
Deadeye Dave
Amarr DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2006.11.02 20:39:00 -
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It doesn't need changing. It's been the same time for as long as I can remember there have never been problems with it because it's the perfect time for the employees and if you did change it you would have lots of people whining about it being changed.
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Agama
Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.02 21:35:00 -
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Being an aussie I would love to see the whole DT moved.
Either bring it forwards a few hours (2-3hrs) or shift it back a few (2-3hrs). Having it slap bang at 9pm is just painful and has been my biggest bone of contention with Eve.
And please don't start on the whole "the admins/devs will be tired blah blah". What a load of rubbish.
Most IT admin groups usually work on some kind of shift roster anyway. And if any work was going to be done on the servers it would have to go through a change managment process anyway. Given that the servers are being run in the UK... I wouldn't be suprised at all if the staff follow the usual ITIL processes anyway.
My point is it would be great to slew the DT a litte bit as it would barely impact on the admin teams at all.
Please think of the Aussies (and New Zealanders and any other +10ish GMT person).
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Helplessandlost
Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.02 21:43:00 -
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Simple soulution for all those who don't like the hour that down time is in...
Move to a different time zone
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icechip
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Posted - 2006.11.02 21:51:00 -
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I live on the East Coast right now in the US the server goes down at 7am to 8am, This is a perfect downtime. Its afternoon in UK. A large portion of the players are US players. (subscribed ) even tho i can never find them :-P Then UK 2nd. You want to make the majority happy. The Asian market is small for Tranquility. I dont see your arguement.
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.02 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: MysticNZ Edited by: MysticNZ on 02/11/2006 20:42:32 I agree with the op. From New Zealand the DT falls at a crappy time.
Whaddya mean? Midnight is perfect! Some of us have work the next day, y'know.
/Ben
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.03 00:21:00 -
[63]
I liked it during Daylight savings- DT was at just the right time for me to make lunch
I like the OPs suggested time, but I'm not really bothered at all. Somone will always be bothered what ever time it is, and I think the important thing is that its at the time to suit the Devs. -----------------------------------------------
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.03 00:37:00 -
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LMAO .. this thread has some fine examples of the caring community we have here
Anyway ... I'm with the OP.
Yep, its for personal reasons, I'm a central time aussie player and DT ATM sux the big one. An hour earlier in the day would make an enormous difference for nearly all Australian players - and there a quite a lot of us these days. The OP is correct also in his assessment on US/UK players timing judging on the ones I know.
If its not an issue to you cos your at work/school/dont-give-a-toss then why bother to comment?
If DT is where DT is for purely CCP reasons (wot Rodg said), then so be it.
But if not, please, consider a 1 hour shift forward. :D -----------------------------------------
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2006.11.03 00:54:00 -
[65]
EVERY DAYLIGHTS SAVING DAY WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS.
Oh and no, think of the guys at CCP having to do server maintenance at 6am their time= server death I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes |
Maj Woodcock
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Maj Woodcock on 03/11/2006 01:06:19
I get home from work at 4 PM. Have dinner aorund 5 PM.
Could you please make DT 5PM to 6 PM so I could farm the complexes like they can in the UK? As it is now I have to wait until Saturday and get up at 4 AM so I can get the strong hold and the loot. thank you.
JK the DT is fine the way is and has been for the last 2 years 8 months I have played. They haven't changed in the past ans they aren't going to do it now.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Telemicus Thrace on 03/11/2006 01:50:40
Originally by: Karn Mithralia LMAO .. this thread has some fine examples of the caring community we have here
Anyway ... I'm with the OP.
Yep, its for personal reasons, I'm a central time aussie player and DT ATM sux the big one. An hour earlier in the day would make an enormous difference for nearly all Australian players - and there a quite a lot of us these days. The OP is correct also in his assessment on US/UK players timing judging on the ones I know.
If its not an issue to you cos your at work/school/dont-give-a-toss then why bother to comment?
If DT is where DT is for purely CCP reasons (wot Rodg said), then so be it.
But if not, please, consider a 1 hour shift forward. :D
Hahaha, yeah. I feel so loved.
I'm in Sydney and now daylight savings has kicked in I am screwed on weeknights. After dinner and the kids are in bed I get a solid hour or two online before going to bed. At the moment during that first hour Tranquility is down. Throw in the post DT lag fest and it is hardly worth logging in some nights.
There are an increasing amount of us playing Eve now (rumour has it we even have electricity in Alice Springs but we are waiting on the camel train to get back with confirmation ). Bringing the DT forward by an hour would be great for us, then us working stiffs can look forward to 2-3hours of uptime in a row each night all year round. Something everyone else takes for granted.
So many love to complain about extended DTs and patchdays but consider this for a moment. In my timezone those of us doing the 9 to 5 mostly play games in the evening. With DT when it is we have 15 days of downtime every year all spread accross our prime slot. After so many years I think it is fair enough that we just ask if we can be thrown a bone without all the flames.
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Zinzal
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Posted - 2006.11.03 01:51:00 -
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Does anyone know why it has to be daily?
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Digitalis II
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Posted - 2006.11.03 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zinzal Does anyone know why it has to be daily?
I would imagine that no day goes by without something getting screwed/stuck
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2006.11.03 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
I'm in Sydney and now daylight savings has kicked in I am screwed on weeknights. After dinner and the kids are in bed I get a solid hour or two online before going to bed. At the moment during that first hour Tranquility is down. Throw in the post DT lag fest and it is hardly worth logging in some nights.
Brisbane here (so we don't get daylight saving... apparently so the cows won't get confused ) so DT always starts for me at 9pm. The kids are supposed to go to bed at 7:30 but are rarely settled by 8:00 so it's hard to get a full hour in before DT. However my biggest gripe is not the timing as it forces me off the computer to do some other stuff (like cleaning the kitchen, making a cup of tea... tucking my wife into bed ).
My biggest gripe is the fact that it makes it almost impossible to do missions. I'm able to do level 3 missions now but I can't complete the harder ones in under 2 hours so if I want to do then I need to stay up very late to do so. If they could fix missions so that they did not reset all the NPCs and also so that the mission timer actually took the DT into account I'd be a very happy.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.03 02:48:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Maglorre
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
I'm in Sydney and now daylight savings has kicked in I am screwed on weeknights. After dinner and the kids are in bed I get a solid hour or two online before going to bed. At the moment during that first hour Tranquility is down. Throw in the post DT lag fest and it is hardly worth logging in some nights.
Brisbane here (so we don't get daylight saving... apparently so the cows won't get confused ) so DT always starts for me at 9pm. The kids are supposed to go to bed at 7:30 but are rarely settled by 8:00 so it's hard to get a full hour in before DT. However my biggest gripe is not the timing as it forces me off the computer to do some other stuff (like cleaning the kitchen, making a cup of tea... tucking my wife into bed ).
My biggest gripe is the fact that it makes it almost impossible to do missions. I'm able to do level 3 missions now but I can't complete the harder ones in under 2 hours so if I want to do then I need to stay up very late to do so. If they could fix missions so that they did not reset all the NPCs and also so that the mission timer actually took the DT into account I'd be a very happy.
Don't forget it also make your curtains fade faster .
When we don't have DST the 9pm-10pm slot is liveable but it is indeed the reason I gave up on missions once I got a lvl4 agent. Just one hour would mean it lands in the 8-9pm slot on AEST in winter which gives a decent block of time to do big stuff in. When DST hits you still have a couple of hours.
Of course if it moved the other way it would kill weekends. When I don't have work the next day I stay up late to get a decent few hours in.
Of course lets be realistic, nobody gives a **** about the APAC so nothing will change. All we can do is put up with it until another good Sci-Fi MMO comes along that is online in our prime time. Until winter comes around again I'll be in Guild Wars on weeknights unless I have a skill change
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Masakaa
Caldari The Penguin Republic
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Posted - 2006.11.03 03:06:00 -
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As it stands us Aussies get screwed every day with the DT right when most of us want to play.
To all those idiots that say "too bad", "move elsewhere", "do something else" I would love to see DT moved to the middle of your prime playing time and listen to the screams then.
To all those who say it is when the admins are at work I would love you to come and explain to my boss here that I should take down the production systems for an hour in the middle of the day because that is when I am working.
Heck try to explain to my boss that I have to take down the system every day for an hour.
No IT system should need to be shut down for an hour every day to fix stuff. That shows poor design, poor maintenance or both. I would get shot at work here if our production systems had to have that!
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Art of War Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.03 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene 11-1200 [...] 2. UK people have woken up and the unemployed/students can't play
Speaking from experience, I'm probably still in bed
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2006.11.03 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Don't forget it also make your curtains fade faster .
Ahahahahahaha ! I can see that you were around when we had the referrendum on that topic.
Originally by: Joh
Don't you worry about that !
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Vazion
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Posted - 2006.11.03 03:46:00 -
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I will wardec you in real life if you don't change the downtime.
Got it?
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Jerusalem Man
Farmers Union
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Posted - 2006.11.03 03:51:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
... So many love to complain about extended DTs and patchdays but consider this for a moment. In my timezone those of us doing the 9 to 5 mostly play games in the evening. With DT when it is we have 15 days of downtime every year all spread accross our prime slot. After so many years I think it is fair enough that we just ask if we can be thrown a bone without all the flames.
In a game thats all about numbers I think this is the best argument I have seen to show why "change downtime" threads will come up occasionally and will have a large number Aussie posters. For us downtime often means we can't get on in the evenings for 2hrs straight.
An obvious point missed by most posters saying don't change dt the server admins will still be asleep is that admins in Britain have dt an hour later during daylight savings anyway as it's always at 1100GMT. Although if they put dt back to 1000GMT during this period the Devs in Iceland would only just be getting up...
Anyway would I like to see dt moved Yes, would I like to see dt gone OH YES, but in the end I will settle for an occasional post in a "change dt" thread (my first btw) that might make the devs think mmm maybe we only need to do this every 2 or 3 days...
JM
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Gonada
Gallente Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.11.03 04:11:00 -
[77]
booo
hooo
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Bohoba
Caldari The Dark Angles
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Posted - 2006.11.03 04:33:00 -
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Might as well, I think DT needs to go to 1300-1400 that works for me. US midwest here I get home from work at 0830 well 0930 with dst just not quite enough time to unwind from work need at least 3 hours lol.
all in fun though DT is DT we make do now don't we all :)
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.03 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada booo
hooo
Need a tissue? so, got anything useful to add? What time zone are you in? Would moving DT forward one hour even effect you?
Lets at least try to keep the average IQ of these boards in the positive. DT is something that affects us Aussies and the rest of the APAC every evening, if you can't handle us discussing it then don't read the thread. Go whine about macro miners / WCS / ECM / BoB instead and let the grown ups talk.
Originally by: Jerusalem Man
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
... So many love to complain about extended DTs and patchdays but consider this for a moment. In my timezone those of us doing the 9 to 5 mostly play games in the evening. With DT when it is we have 15 days of downtime every year all spread accross our prime slot. After so many years I think it is fair enough that we just ask if we can be thrown a bone without all the flames.
In a game thats all about numbers I think this is the best argument I have seen to show why "change downtime" threads will come up occasionally and will have a large number Aussie posters. For us downtime often means we can't get on in the evenings for 2hrs straight.
An obvious point missed by most posters saying don't change dt the server admins will still be asleep is that admins in Britain have dt an hour later during daylight savings anyway as it's always at 1100GMT. Although if they put dt back to 1000GMT during this period the Devs in Iceland would only just be getting up...
Anyway would I like to see dt moved Yes, would I like to see dt gone OH YES, but in the end I will settle for an occasional post in a "change dt" thread (my first btw) that might make the devs think mmm maybe we only need to do this every 2 or 3 days...
JM
Yeah, moving DT an hour is a suggestion but certainly not the only option I'm sure. I'd settle for Eve being offline on Wednesday evenings if it meant I could get on the other six evenings of the week.
I started a thread like this when I first joined Eve. The DT was and is the only thing that puts me off this game. The answer from the Devs at the time was that they were working to get rid of DT. A year and a half later nothing has changed, I don't see why we should get such a retarded and hostile response from the rest of the Eve "community" if we raise the subject again.
I persevered and accepted DT, I look forward to the day we can do without it. Many I know did not, why pay $15 a month for a game that goes offline in the middle of every evening just when you get a chance to sit down and play it? Fair enough I reckon. I love this game, if I didn't then I would just keep my money and play something else. Rather than wait for an Eve alternative that is online all evening I'd like to see something done about DT. Can it be moved / got rid of / done every few days instead of nightly?
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.03 13:40:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Digitalis II
Originally by: Zinzal Does anyone know why it has to be daily?
I would imagine that no day goes by without something getting screwed/stuck
That as well as sov calculations, outpost checks, respawn of complex's etc --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
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Del369
Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:28:00 -
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Question you have to ask yourself and/or CCP is "just how nessasary is a daily downtime ? is there any way round it ? has anything been looked at to make it obsolete ? or take less time ? One things for sure, it's friendly to any UK people or anyone else in Europe it sux arse plain and simple.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:30:00 -
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pfft yes plz us aussies cop it 9pm to 10pm prime playing time to ( can it be done every 36 hours perhaps or 48 hour cycle)
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Dagda Dia
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Posted - 2006.11.04 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Del369 Question you have to ask yourself and/or CCP is "just how nessasary is a daily downtime ? is there any way round it ? has anything been looked at to make it obsolete ? or take less time ? One things for sure, it's friendly to any UK people or anyone else in Europe it sux arse plain and simple.
??Just what do they do during down time?? They don't do patches every day, so that could be schedlue and they don't defraq or do they?
Just what is down time for???
Move along nothing to see here, yes I am a ALT Just portecting my main.
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herot
Icarus Ascendant
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Posted - 2006.11.04 16:24:00 -
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Hourly downtime? No thanks I would prefer that they keep the daily downtime we have now.
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Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 16:26:00 -
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u guys are all selfish.
Have you thought about the Db admins?? the employees that bring you this fine game??
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Parsava Dei
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.04 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Eilene Fernite I think it's pretty obvious from the numbers that they picked downtime exactly right. There are no players online from 11:00 to 12:00.
(Yeah I know, I just couldn't stand it that nobody made this point yet. It belongs in a thread like this.)
Classic...
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QwaarJet
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.04 19:38:00 -
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Wow, some serious flaming going on here. The guy made a simple point, no need to tear him a new one.
From my personal standpoint, a 9-10 downtime would be better, but it would be difficult to please enough people to make it worthwhile changing.
Kudos to you though for having the balls to dispute downtime.
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Mephysto
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Posted - 2006.11.04 20:40:00 -
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Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
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Lo3d3R
Implant Liberation Front Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.04 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.05 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: QwaarJet Wow, some serious flaming going on here. The guy made a simple point, no need to tear him a new one.
From my personal standpoint, a 9-10 downtime would be better, but it would be difficult to please enough people to make it worthwhile changing.
Kudos to you though for having the balls to dispute downtime.
It's great ain't it. You can have six new threads a day about "Ganked in Jita", "ECM / WCS / Logging Sucks", "Nerf someone / something". Some of the folks who get slapped in the face with DT every evening ask if there is any chance it could be moved by an hour and they get flamed to hell and back for asking.
Originally by: Mephysto Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
What exactly happens in DT and how much of CCP is directly involved is a mystery to me. The cluster is in London and DT is 1100-1200 GMT. BDST adds an hour in summer making that 1200-1300 London time for half the year? So for the guys in London, if DT were an hour earlier that means they would at the earliest be starting at 1000hrs?
If for some reason DT requires some input from Iceland that is only GMT-2 which would be 0800hrs?
I may have missed something in there, maybe us lot down under just start the day earlier. I don't get the numbers.
Thanks for the official answer though.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 01:57:00 -
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The obvious solution is to make downtime from 0900-1700.
This allows everyone to get 8 hours of sleep so they can be fully awake for the other 16 hours of EVE playing.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:26:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Kerosene The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
It has increased more in other times - downtime is still the lowest population time. Check the server graphs.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
You allow them to waste work time by drinking cofee?? and to add on the sins, at least 3 times a day???
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
If for some reason DT requires some input from Iceland that is only GMT-2 which would be 0800hrs?
Iceland is GMT, so for half the year the devs are in the same TZ as IT.
There's a lot of DB maintenance that happens during DT. I think there's some defragging that goes on, but mostly they clean out redundant/multiple entries, remove deleted ones, etc.
There are often also hotpatches to the server, I think at least one a week on average. Most of these are small, so no one outside CCP knows about them. Sometimes there are publicly announced ones, and then there are the ones that frack things up, so we hear about them after they're removed during a reboot.
Also, as above, sovereignty has to be updated, as well as outpost ownership, market issues (i.e. where's my stuff after I cancelled an order?), and the absurd Complex resets.
The devs tried to do away with daily DT so that it would only be a couple times a week, but that didn't work well, as there were too many DB glitches that caused lag and other no-nos. And that was two years ago when the pop was 1/3 what it is today, and DB entries were likely a tiny fraction of what they are now.
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.05 12:59:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Kerosene The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
It has increased more in other times - downtime is still the lowest population time. Check the server graphs.
Hahaha, yeah never gets old that. Nobody plays during DT therefore it is in the right spot.
On a serious note would you imagine growth may be somehow hampered by the servers being offline for an hour in the middle of primetime here everyday?
Last year we were told CCP were working to do away with DT. This year it's a flat no, not going to do squat about DT. Maybe next year we'll have a win. Probably not though.
Ah well, screw the APAC I guess is the MOTD.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:19:00 -
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I don't believe DT times need to be changed. They are fine the way they are. If it could be eliminated, that would be good. But that could be a logistical IT nightmare. CCP's time is better spent in working towards giving me new shiny ships... new ships keeps me happy.
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Brutor Shaun
Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene 0900-1000
2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work
Or already been at work for over an hour!
Originally by: Kerosene 11-1200
2. UK people have woken up and the unemployed/students can't play
GOOD!! Incentive for them to get off their lazy arses and go out and get a job!
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Tara'Quoya Rax
Black-Sun
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:40:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Mephysto Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
Provide high concentration caffeine candy to all employees and make it policy for everyone to consume a minimum amount every day.
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Xs 142
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Posted - 2006.11.05 13:57:00 -
[99]
Who the hell sleeps until 0900-1000 anyways? some of us actually have things to do.
Like watering our plants, doing the dishes and changing clothes....
Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
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Pherusa Plumosa
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Masakaa As it stands us Aussies get screwed every day with the DT right when most of us want to play.
To all those idiots that say "too bad", "move elsewhere", "do something else" I would love to see DT moved to the middle of your prime playing time and listen to the screams then.
To all those who say it is when the admins are at work I would love you to come and explain to my boss here that I should take down the production systems for an hour in the middle of the day because that is when I am working.
Heck try to explain to my boss that I have to take down the system every day for an hour.
No IT system should need to be shut down for an hour every day to fix stuff. That shows poor design, poor maintenance or both. I would get shot at work here if our production systems had to have that!
You don't seem to have any idea how a big server-cluster works. Of course you can maintain a server-cluster, which is working all the time, but therefore, you need at least the double amount of computers to guarantee high-availability. You also need special (and very expensive) software to synchronize the original and the redundant cluster. Of course you can set up Eve on a level 7 faultresistent server cluster with transparent redundancy, a voltage and frequency dependend uninterruptible power supply, emp, fire and nuclear resistant server rooms with argon atmosphere and with admins who stand up at 4 am doing server maintenance.
It is just a matter of money. Are you willing to pay 100$ per month to play Eve?
I am not. The system is designed for a GAME and not for air traffic control. So cool down and think before you insult the guys from CCP for caring about the servers we play on.
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rodgerd
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: rodgerd on 05/11/2006 19:38:39
Originally by: MysticNZ Edited by: MysticNZ on 02/11/2006 20:42:32 I agree with the op. From New Zealand the DT falls at a crappy time.
The downtime falls at 11 pm in normal time, midnight in daylight savings. "Crappy time"?
Perhaps when you get a job you'll change your mind.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zinzal Does anyone know why it has to be daily?
Yeah Because it's running on Windows UNGH :)
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mephysto Move the DT? Not going to happen unless someone works out how to feed people coffee while they sleep. You should see the office before people have had there 3rd cup of the day.
LOL!!!!! Know how you feel. I work the 5am to 5pm at work here and I'm pretty useless till I have a couple cups in me.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pherusa Plumosa
Originally by: Masakaa As it stands us Aussies get screwed every day with the DT right when most of us want to play.
To all those idiots that say "too bad", "move elsewhere", "do something else" I would love to see DT moved to the middle of your prime playing time and listen to the screams then.
To all those who say it is when the admins are at work I would love you to come and explain to my boss here that I should take down the production systems for an hour in the middle of the day because that is when I am working.
Heck try to explain to my boss that I have to take down the system every day for an hour.
No IT system should need to be shut down for an hour every day to fix stuff. That shows poor design, poor maintenance or both. I would get shot at work here if our production systems had to have that!
You don't seem to have any idea how a big server-cluster works. Of course you can maintain a server-cluster, which is working all the time, but therefore, you need at least the double amount of computers to guarantee high-availability. You also need special (and very expensive) software to synchronize the original and the redundant cluster. Of course you can set up Eve on a level 7 faultresistent server cluster with transparent redundancy, a voltage and frequency dependend uninterruptible power supply, emp, fire and nuclear resistant server rooms with argon atmosphere and with admins who stand up at 4 am doing server maintenance.
It is just a matter of money. Are you willing to pay 100$ per month to play Eve?
I am not. The system is designed for a GAME and not for air traffic control. So cool down and think before you insult the guys from CCP for caring about the servers we play on.
Pherusa
QFT
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Depp Knight
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 08:08:00 -
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Im an aussie and DT sucks for me. It stats at 9pm. thats like prime time stuff there. When i work and im not a full time worker i get home around 7pm. After a shower, dinner and of course Seinfeld the time can quickly get to 8-830. The point is, eve takes time to travel and what not and logging in 30mins before downtime doesnt give much time for you to do things. The fact is i often log back on after dt to complete whatever i wanted to do. Normally getting to dest B.
If Dt was to be 2 hrs early it will give me a solid 3 hrs of gaming.
Now for the late US gamers, how unfair is it if they were to complain that they have dt at 2am. 2 am is not prime time stuff for them.
I will be all for it if dt was to be move an hr or two earlier. But atm i can still live with a 9pm shut down.
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Rick Dentill
Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.06 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene
0900-1000 1. US people are in bed 2. UK people are either waking up or on their way to work 3. MOST IMPORTANTLY east side Aussies are having their dinners 4. Asians are returning from work (my timezone)
Nooo I get up at 7am GMT at weekends, for an 8am start in game, that would suck uber much. 11am is perfect on a weekend, gives me time do all the chores before lunch. _______
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Beor0d
Congregatio
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:18:00 -
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For me DT isn't realy a problem, but if you have a look at the financial way there is a small (very small) problem and i am not complaining about this BUT you pay for 30 days (or 50 or whatever) and only get less then 29 days playtime. Correct me if i am wrong but the DT in germany takes place in the middle of the day and not like the US ppl who are sleeping. Would be cooler if CCP counts an extra day to all ppl per month if not it doesn't matter. _______________________ Mining makes mad |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:42:00 -
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Iceland is on GMT. Devs are in Iceland. Seems a reasonable justification for having a 'GMT convenient' downtime to me.
Downtime happens daily because 'maintenance tasks' keep the system happier and more stable. Things like tidying file systems, databases, backing up the whole kaboodle go a lot faster and have less overhead if done when the userbase is offline.
Take your pick really - you get to choose between a daily downtime that you can work around, or 'unscheduled' downtimes at inconvenient points, usually when the load is highest. I know which I prefer.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:49:00 -
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I would gladly give up an hour of gameplay to have the advantage of having downtime happen in my primetime.
The extra money I'd make from plexes alone would be worth it. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
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Mihae
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:14:00 -
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Don't change please.
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Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar Freedom for All
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Posted - 2006.11.06 21:51:00 -
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I've read the 4 pages now and got the quintessence of this discussion. So let's face the root of the matter. All your trouble can be reduced to one single problem:
Our earth is an orb.
So let us discuss about solutions and not about the problem.
The mathematical way: solution 1 (mathematical-religious): We declare that earth is a disc solution 2: We declare that space is two-dimensional
The physical way: we simply stop earth rotation, so we don't have problems with timezones anymore and downtime will be always at the same time because there is no other time
The political way: Aussies speak english. Therfore we can declare Australia as a part of the USA and they get their timezones.
The economical way: We pay 100$ per month for a high available server cluster. (see above)
The M$ way: We do it without security and server maintenance and hope everything goes well.
Greets. Pherusa
Pherusa
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Glyn Davish
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:03:00 -
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It's one measly hour.
Read a book, watch TV, prepare a meal, pay your bills, do your homework, paint a portrait, take a shower. The possibilities are nearly endless.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:11:00 -
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No matter what time DT is, its 9pm somewhere on planet earth.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:17:00 -
[114]
Oh so it's the Aussies jacking the complexes just after DT.
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Dee Ellis
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Posted - 2006.11.06 22:25:00 -
[115]
It's just an hour atleast... WoW has waaay longer...
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Reiisha
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.06 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Kerosene The subscriber base has significantly increased for those whose primetime is downtime.
It has increased more in other times - downtime is still the lowest population time. Check the server graphs.
Hahaha, yeah never gets old that. Nobody plays during DT therefore it is in the right spot.
On a serious note would you imagine growth may be somehow hampered by the servers being offline for an hour in the middle of primetime here everyday?
Last year we were told CCP were working to do away with DT. This year it's a flat no, not going to do squat about DT. Maybe next year we'll have a win. Probably not though.
Ah well, screw the APAC I guess is the MOTD.
DT is around the time where even the late US people go to bed, and EU people are working. And whatever way you want to put it, the Asian timezones *are* the least populated ones - it's the reason the server population peaks out at 10 pm GMT, and not 10 PM CST, EST or Japanese time. As i said, check the server graphs, downtime is fine the way it is.
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