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Mark88fan Jones Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:47:23 - [1] - Quote Im a couple days away from having skills to be able to buy one. Cost about 30 mil ISK and was looking for advice on best way to protect it. I currently have 2 hobgoblin scout drones that do great against npc's in the .8 security area I mine, but when I get Retriever I want to try and protect against other players. Is there a specific shield or armor module I should get that would keep me alive till I can warp out or till Concord comes? Should I train to get better combat drones to fight other players? Thanks!
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:52:12 - [2] - Quote http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Retriever EveUni should be everyone's first stop for everything IMHO. Also google can be your friend.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9420	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:13:43 - [3] - Quote damage control II, however a better idea would be to add CODE. as a contact and keep an eye on local. Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
Paranoid Loyd 4886	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:16:29 - [4] - Quote IMO, you can't properly tank a Retriever without making it worse than a Procurer. So you either use a Procurer or you move to very quiet areas where you mine in a max yield Retriever and pay attention to local and d-scan. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 644	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:17:49 - [5] - Quote First gank vs tank understand that even as mining ship you need to balance the gank (how much m3 you mine) and tank. DONT DONT DONT place **** load of mining laser upgrades. please don't. first rigs, I recommend some shield extender rigs which increase your shield pool, or some resist rigs according to your local rats damage types. High slots: Strip miners, if u can get modulated with crystals go for it. Medium, ignore prop mods... just bookmark the rocks and warp 0 on them. use some resist mods like shield hardeners or their passive version to increase your resist. I would recommend getting kinetic and thermal resist no matter where you are based (iirc that's damage type used by catalyst pilots to suicide gank you). Don't use shield boosters, waste of time. And I don't use the astroeid scanner modules... mining barrages mine so much you just clear the entire belt side to side I didn't bother to scan in order to min/max. Low slots: use Damage control unit. why? cheap and easy tank increase. also only module which gives hull resists across the board and this may save you. place some mining laser upgrades on the empty slots. Mining tips: 1. use shuttle to scout belts and "bookmark" each belt using one of the rocks as point to mark. then u just warp 0 on that rock. 2. always! align to a station or gate or something... 3. place your drones on "Passive" so they won't shoot back on suicide gankers granting them limited engagement on you. 4. don't let your drones fly around only launch them when rats are on grid aiming at you. 5. if you are not going to loot and salvage the wrecks of the rats abandon them. 6. if you see suicide ganker (catalyst etc...) immediately WARP away. your defense is to hold on until you warp out. if you are unable to warp due to point placed on you then you must hope you use enough tank to hold out until concord will arrive. 7. if u see some weird ship like venture without mining lasers coming at you it is a scout for a ganker. he will stick to you on 0 meters then the ganker will warp on your and shoot you down. most importantly, don't fly what you can't lose. so unless you got like 70 million isk to purchase 2 ships in advance don't fly it. if all else fails... procurer - > cause battleship tank in cruiser price with bonus to drone damage. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Dana Goodeye Quafe Commandos Point Blank Alliance 11	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:33:14 - [6] - Quote armor and shield tank, industrial skills, and a lot of drone skills are intelligence-memory heavy. so. remap for them, get +3 implants, train for t2 strip miners if you want to, for mining upgrades, and for light drones. when im mining, i use a well tanked procurer in 0.6, im usually mining semi afk, and i lost none. a procu might be mining about 5-10% less,i dont know... but mine has about 65k ehp and 110 dps... i can tank 4 ganker cats in 0.6 without any armor damage. might be 8 cat could kill me if they bait the concord first, and im afk, so cant fight back, cant overheat tank... and mine in a system where you can sell the ore on a good price without hauling it. btw on a procurer in 0.5 a damage control is mandatory, but i advise you to drop it only in 0.7 and above. i have no idea about the other mining barges.. they have ****** tank, so i dont fly them xD omm... btw my procurer has a dcu, a shield extender, 3 invul fields, and a mining upgrade in 0.5 and in 0.6, with t1 hobs. a ganker catalyst or thrasher is dps tanked, it means low ehp. even the t1 hobs can melt them. so, if you get ganked, attack immediatelly. at the time when concord arrives, youre likely already would have 3 gankers killed in 0.6. it means, if you have 6 gankers on you, they already lost half of their dps. fly safe or dangerous =)
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:34:07 - [7] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: And I don't use the astroeid scanner modules... mining barrages mine so much you just clear the entire belt side to side I didn't bother to scan in order to min/max. Nalelmir gives a lot of good advice and I'd probably be with him on not using an asteroid scanner however if you want to max out your isk per hour an asteroid scanner is probably the most important module that you can fit to your ship. This kind of goes off into a side topic on how the onset of massive amount of barge and exhumer ganking has actually lead to the dumbing down of mining in that all the skill that used to be involved in mining is gone now,at least in high sec, and you just fit max tank and wait for your ore hold to fill up. Other options involve mining in a fleet with someone that has fleet skills. That can help you align and warp faster as well as increase your armor and shield hit points. With a fleet booster ship that can be even more. Additionally you could do a full on bait fit and go to systems known for ganking and bring friends.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 287	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:35:05 - [8] - Quote Procurer -> Skiff I'm my own NPC alt.
Mark88fan Jones Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:38:03 - [9] - Quote Thanks for all the advice! Quote: 2. always! align to a station or gate or something... When you say "align" what exactly do you mean. Have my ship pointed in that direction?
Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:43:19 - [10] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Im a couple days away from having skills to be able to buy one. Cost about 30 mil ISK and was looking for advice on best way to protect it. I currently have 2 hobgoblin scout drones that do great against npc's in the .8 security area I mine, but when I get Retriever I want to try and protect against other players. Is there a specific shield or armor module I should get that would keep me alive till I can warp out or till Concord comes? Should I train to get better combat drones to fight other players? Thanks! You cannot really protect the ship via fittings without gimping the ship itself as 'Paranoid Loyd' said. Drones won't protect you either, by the time they reach the ship you will be dead. Hulks, Machinaws, Covetors and Retrievers are all basically paper bags, no matter what you do to them they are very squishy. Procurers and Skiffs on the other hand are like brick s!hithouses. So, If your in iffy territory and wish to remain there, a Proc or Skiff is what you want. Best way to protect any mining ship is to be vigilant, DON'T afk mine, d-scan regularly, keep aligned, don't smack talk local, set to RED any and all people/corps you know to be fielding active gank squads. If however your willing to go off the beaten track, try these: 1) Carebearium, a fantastic little site to help you decide where to live and what you want to have in the system. Basic filters include - Industry indices, Mission agents, Mining options, Player activity, Travel distance and Seclusion, there are many more custom filter to choose also. 2) zKillboard, once you have a narrowed your searches you may have a couple of systems in mind, use zKillboard to see what is happening there and in neighbouring systems. Good-luck.

Dana Goodeye Quafe Commandos Point Blank Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:46:56 - [11] - Quote mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. but i can assure you, if you tank your procurer correctly, you gonna laugh at the gankers =) they might be gonna try you once, because your young. dont fear them :) just be precautious.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5192	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:48:04 - [12] - Quote Remember that hull tanking is a thing now. https://o.smium.org/loadout/21311 - yield https://o.smium.org/loadout/23649 - tank Though a procurer beats the tanked retriever hands down on both tank and yield . https://o.smium.org/loadout/28154 However, you have to empty the ore hold about twice as frequently. Woo! CSM X! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9422	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:53:38 - [13] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Thanks for all the advice! Quote: 2. always! align to a station or gate or something... When you say "align" what exactly do you mean. Have my ship pointed in that direction? click a station, click align, click warp if anything scary happens Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:01:46 - [14] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Remember that hull tanking is a thing now. hull tanking mod's draw back is reduced cargo and for a solo miner if you are going to fit those you might as well just find a different way to make isk. Hull tanking maybe be a thing for bait fit solo PvP ships but not mining barges or at least I hope not mining barges.
Paranoid Loyd 4888	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:07:20 - [15] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Remember that hull tanking is a thing now. hull tanking mod's draw back is reduced cargo and for a solo miner if you are going to fit those you might as well just find a different way to make isk. Hull tanking maybe be a thing for bait fit solo PvP ships but not mining barges or at least I hope not mining barges. They won't make you ore cargo hold capacity go down. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:09:12 - [16] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: They won't make you ore cargo hold capacity go down. sorry for the confusion then.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9422	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:20:12 - [17] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: They won't make you ore cargo hold capacity go down. sorry for the confusion then. Oh it's a common misconception, like cargo expanders on a bowhead (they don't effect the hold the ship goes in) Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1165	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:34:20 - [18] - Quote As people of said: fly a procurer if you care at all about being protected. If you're going to be in a retriever you might as well fit for full yield.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:34:57 - [19] - Quote Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. Urban legend, won't work. A ship at zero speed counts as not aligned. I'm my own NPC alt.
Mark88fan Jones Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:40:56 - [20] - Quote A lot of very helpful advice, thanks! Tho some I din't understand because it was like reading another language lol. I plan on mining in .8 or higher security so hopefully the Retriever fitted with advice in this thread will be relatively safe. Plus I have an application to join Eve University corp. If I decide later to mine in lower security areas I guess I would probably then buy a Procurer for the added protection.

Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9426	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:46:42 - [21] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. Urban legend, won't work. A ship at zero speed counts as not aligned. Yeah your ship needs to be moving Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5194	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:50:00 - [22] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. Urban legend, won't work. A ship at zero speed counts as not aligned. Yeah your ship needs to be moving A Higgs Anchor may be worth considering too. Drops your max speed, so getting into warp should be faster. (or you can be aligned, and stay within range for longer) Woo! CSM X! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Solomar Espersei Quality Assurance 567	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:50:31 - [23] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Plus I have an application to join Eve University corp. All discussion of retrievers aside, you'll certainly benefit from your time spent in the Uni. Best of luck. Quality Assurance
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1654	Posted - 2015.04.23 18:02:56 - [24] - Quote Personally, I never liked the Retriever. It was the first barge I bought, lost it to a war target (ah, memories) and I switched to a Procurer because it was cheaper and I could buy a new one quicker. I kept trying to convince myself to go back to the Ret, but whenever I took it out I just missed the Proc. I've since mothballed all mining ships except a Prospect Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Degnar Oskold Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 153	Posted - 2015.04.23 18:58:49 - [25] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: I plan on mining in .8 or higher security so hopefully the Retriever fitted with advice in this thread will be relatively safe. No, it will not be safe. Remember, CONCORD does not exist to protect you from ganks, it exists to punish the gankers after they open fire. There is no system security level that is high enough to generate a CONCORD response before 2 gankers in catalysts manage to blow up a Retriever. The only safe places to use a Retriever are 1) Distant, remote parts of hisec such as hisec islands in lowsec that CODE and their copycats do not go to. 2) Nullsec, in safe systems firmly under control of your alliance and where you can get safe as soon as an unfamiliar face enters local.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2015.04.23 20:01:43 - [26] - Quote Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. but i can assure you, if you tank your procurer correctly, you gonna laugh at the gankers =) they might be gonna try you once, because your young. dont fear them :) just be precautious. Align doesnt work if you stop your ship. Perfect alignment is 3/4 speed pointed at a celestial to warp to, anything else is going to increase your time to align and warp out. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1428	Posted - 2015.04.24 04:33:46 - [27] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: A lot of very helpful advice, thanks! Tho some I din't understand because it was like reading another language lol. I plan on mining in .8 or higher security so hopefully the Retriever fitted with advice in this thread will be relatively safe. Plus I have an application to join Eve University corp. If I decide later to mine in lower security areas I guess I would probably then buy a Procurer for the added protection. Yeah basically either: - Mine with a retriever and write the occasional loss off as part of the running costs. or - get a procurer which mines just as fast but does waste some time with more runs back to base to empty out If your mining in 0.8 and above and really paranoid just run level 1 missions and mine them before handing them in. You can still be scanned down but at least its harder than gankers just warping to a belt.
Laken Starr Mining and Munitions Ltd SpaceMonkey's Alliance 77	Posted - 2015.04.24 08:00:53 - [28] - Quote As others have said, if you're worried about safety, use a Procurer. They can be made much more tanky than a Retriever without sacrificing nearly as much m3.
Cherri Minoa Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance 54	Posted - 2015.04.24 08:33:53 - [29] - Quote Procurer Tanked T1 and then later Tanked T2 are the ships you should be aiming for. It's a better choice even than the Skiff which, though it is more tanky, is a slightly more viable gank target because it is so much more valuable. Don't mine AFK. (In fact, anything AFK in EVE apart from being in station will end in tears eventually). Max out your drone skills and fly with 5 x Hornet EC-300 and 5 x Light Combat drones. At your mining site, deploy your ECM drones set to aggressive. They are not massively effective, but they have a small chance of breaking the target lock of a ganker, which buys you valuable seconds until CONCORD arrive. When NPC rats appear, recall the ECMs and deploy your combat drones. If the rats have already targeted you, you will need to lock and engage the drones onto them manually. (Aggressive only works if the drones are active in space before you are attacked.) In hi-sec you can probably tank belt rats all day, so its OK to replace one or two of your light combat drones with salvage drones if you want. "If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Snuggle Society The Marmite Collective 1649	Posted - 2015.04.24 08:37:48 - [30] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. Urban legend, won't work. A ship at zero speed counts as not aligned. Yeah your ship needs to be moving A Higgs Anchor may be worth considering too. Drops your max speed, so getting into warp should be faster. (or you can be aligned, and stay within range for longer) Dropping the max speed to insta warp only works if the target was already moving. The higgs anchor reduces align time a tiny bit, but its there more for the velocity reduction allowing the ship to mine while fully aligned. You can test this by webbing a freighter at stand still and then having it try to warp as opposed to webbing a freighter that was already partially aligned. The one at standstill will have a similar align time to one that wasn't webbed at all. New Player Placement Specialist and Scope Project FC. Contact me for a free consultation. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!

Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2015.04.24 11:05:35 - [31] - Quote As safe places to mine in high-sec go this is about the safest: Mission Mining Not much in terms of variety of mineable Asteroids, just the basics without the +5 and +10% variants. All you need to look out for are Combat Probes.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5017	Posted - 2015.04.24 11:19:38 - [32] - Quote Hi, I'm one of those bad gankers you've been warned about. (Well, not so active in ganking personally at present, I'm more in the logistics side of things, making sure the other gankers have access to equipment. I also sell miners replacement equipment after they have accidents). My honest advice to a miner looking to protect themselves: Get experience ganking. You will learn all of the tricks we use, then, you will be able to figure out ways to counter them. Who knows, you might even find the dark side of EVE more fun. But even if you return to mining, you'll have learned a lot. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Robbin Sund 11	Posted - 2015.04.24 11:45:02 - [33] - Quote Best way to survive in a retri? Find a silent place in highsec and mine your heart out. Sometimes things come up and I forgot I had eve running, to get back to my retri and his drones sitting all fine after a few hours just floating in a belt doing nothing. always alive. : ) Closest thing to combat besides rats is the yellow flashing people trying to bait you. One way trip! Why dont you drive?
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5194	Posted - 2015.04.24 12:06:24 - [34] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Stuff that wasn't entirely right A correction. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Stuff that wasn't entirely right pretty much the same correction Oops? At least I also mentioned the proper reason? Thanks for the correction. Woo! CSM X! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 3597	Posted - 2015.04.24 12:15:01 - [35] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: My honest advice to a miner looking to protect themselves: Get experience ganking. You will learn all of the tricks we use, then, you will be able to figure out ways to counter them. At the bare minimum, they should read up on the basics. Even just being aware of the 'tricks' will help a ton for staying safe. Actually attempting to gank will make learning to counter it even easier of course, but simply reading up on how gankers operate should be 'mining 101'. The same applies to doing PVE related stuff in lowsec, WHs or null. Learning how the 'predators' operate in each of their respective areas of space will do more for your survival while PVEing than anything else. Also D-Scan, never not D-scan. Out of habit, I try and D-Scan while I'm docked; it hasn't worked yet, but I won't give up hope. Same when I exit my building IRL, and then I remember there is no D-Scan button IRL, thats eyes and ears. "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 20958	Posted - 2015.04.24 12:27:19 - [36] - Quote My common advise is to orbit the rock and have bookmarks prepared. One north, south, east and west at least. As they are now visible in space it's even easier. Play zoomed out a bit, so you can see your surroundings and the trail of your ship. That way you see your heading. As soon as danger comes, warp to the bookmark with the least aligntime. You can easily create bookmarks by warping to 100 to the belt ... ... warping back and to 100 to the bookmark. To create a bookmark use CTRL+B. Too bad that removed the ability to have several "SAVE"-windows at once. The more bookmarks you have spread into all directions ... ... the faster you can gtfo. Jokarz > you got owned? Chris Justice > just a bit Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death. Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails PERVS doing lowsec DD
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 507	Posted - 2015.04.24 13:18:17 - [37] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ergherhdfgh wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: They won't make you ore cargo hold capacity go down. sorry for the confusion then. Oh it's a common misconception, like cargo expanders on a bowhead (they don't effect the hold the ship goes in) It's not so much a misconception as it is that I have not minned much since the tiericide. I totally forgot about ore holds. Much of my eve experience outside of the little niche that I have carved out for myself is old pre-tiericide info. I need to learn to silence myself on things that I've not done much recently. Thank you everyone for your patients and understanding.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 4829	Posted - 2015.04.24 23:02:47 - [38] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5001248#post5001248
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3801	Posted - 2015.04.25 00:03:08 - [39] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Hi, I'm one of those bad gankers you've been warned about. (Well, not so active in ganking personally at present, I'm more in the logistics side of things, making sure the other gankers have access to equipment. I also sell miners replacement equipment after they have accidents). My honest advice to a miner looking to protect themselves: Get experience ganking. You will learn all of the tricks we use, then, you will be able to figure out ways to counter them. Who knows, you might even find the dark side of EVE more fun. But even if you return to mining, you'll have learned a lot. Hands down the best possible advice. EVE is all about the players: know them and you can beat them. Or join them. Or avoid them, strike a deal, be friends, help them, ... The possibilities are endless and way greater than game mechanics (which, yeah, you should also learn eventually). Plus, learning this way is way more fun! Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23647	Posted - 2015.04.25 02:28:49 - [40] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Hi, I'm one of those bad gankers you've been warned about. (Well, not so active in ganking personally at present, I'm more in the logistics side of things, making sure the other gankers have access to equipment. I also sell miners replacement equipment after they have accidents). My honest advice to a miner looking to protect themselves: Get experience ganking. You will learn all of the tricks we use, then, you will be able to figure out ways to counter them. Who knows, you might even find the dark side of EVE more fun. But even if you return to mining, you'll have learned a lot. Hands down the best possible advice. Damn straight, I'm a miner and industrialist, among other things. I've ganked a few miners with the New Order with another character in the past; learnt more about not getting ganked in a week than I'd learnt in the previous 3 years. If any newbies fancy dabbling in the darker side of Eve, they lie about the cookies btw; people such as Ralph, Gully and Sabriz will be more than happy to put you in touch with people who can show you the ropes and answer any questions. Alternatively ask here in NCQA, you won't get trolled and will get good information. Quote: EVE is all about the players: know them and you can beat them. Or join them. Or avoid them, strike a deal, be friends, help them, ... The possibilities are endless and way greater than game mechanics (which, yeah, you should also learn eventually). Plus, learning this way is way more fun! Indeed, the social game and the metagame, of which the forums are a part, are just as important to the overall game of Eve as the spaceships and explosions are. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.

Dana Goodeye Quafe Commandos Point Blank Alliance 23	Posted - 2015.04.25 05:28:32 - [41] - Quote hull tanking on a miner ship is useless, dont do it. its eating up not just the rigs, but the low slots as well. then you have your med slots to do nothing with. a miner ship has no need for pvp mods in the meds. im sure, there is no hulltanked procu wich can outtank and/or outmine my procu. and i have t1 strip miner, and meta 1 mining upgrade on it :P and serioisly, use a tanked procurer. and you can mine in 0.6. as i said, a tanked procu easily tank 3-4 ganker cats even with low tanking skills. sadly my fit is core slills heavy, so you might be cant be cap stab with 3 invul fields runnung. but fit only 2, and a med ancill shield booster or something. im not alligning when i mine, i do it semi afl in a system where code guys are sometimes do ganking. i do smacktalk with them sometimes. hell, i did asking for a duel more than once, and i mocking them a lot =D and still, i lost 0 miner ships... they even didnt dared to engage my venture xD soo.. in my opinion, if you can tank 4 gankers, you will be fine. and a procu easily can do it. i think ecm drones are useless, because one ganker cant kill a procu, and you can jam only one ganker if youre lucky. hobs are on the other hand can kill a ganker in 20-30 secs. thats - 400 incoming dps in every half minutes. if i count that, a ganker got me to 85% shields in hek wich is 0.5, before he got concorded, thats about 10% of my tank. so, 10 cats in 0.5 might be can kill me if im just sitting. if i kill only one, im ending up in 15-20% hull at the end. this is why i told you, if you got ganked, attack them imediately. ofc dont forget about the limited engagement timer wich is 2 mins. so, when you and the concord whiped them out, dock up for that 2 mins. kill them all =D
Daerrol Furtherance. 127	Posted - 2015.04.25 16:43:40 - [42] - Quote Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. but i can assure you, if you tank your procurer correctly, you gonna laugh at the gankers =) they might be gonna try you once, because your young. dont fear them :) just be precautious. That won't do anything. A ships facing has no effect on align time.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2015.04.26 05:43:00 - [43] - Quote Bring friends. You don't see many prey animals, like sheep, goats, various birds, etc, standing alone. They run with a herd, because vs 1 predator, the % survival rate of the group increases. You might get hit, you might not. Miners need to start doing that, if only because with 10 barges x5 attack drones is 50 drones to make any person scared to attack it. Other than that, tanking modules like you'd tank any frigate or cruiser for pvp. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
Cherri Minoa Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance 56	Posted - 2015.04.26 09:57:53 - [44] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: Bring friends. You don't see many prey animals, like sheep, goats, various birds, etc, standing alone. They run with a herd, because vs 1 predator, the % survival rate of the group increases. You might get hit, you might not. Miners need to start doing that, if only because with 10 barges x5 attack drones is 50 drones to make any person scared to attack it. Other than that, tanking modules like you'd tank any frigate or cruiser for pvp. The only drones that will attack are the ones from the ship being ganked, if they are set to aggressive. By the time the other miners have got a target lock and ordered their drones - even assuming they are not afk - the gank will be over. You are right about mining in groups, though, but for a different reason. Park your heavily tanked Procurer alongside a nice squishy Retriever and you can be farily confident that tears and regret will be something that happens to someone else. You don't have to be the fastest rabbit. You just have to be faster than the slowest one. "If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
Mark88fan Jones Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.04.26 17:34:09 - [45] - Quote Well I finally got the Retriever today! I tanked it up according to the T1 layout ffrom Eve Uni. My FIRST trip out in it I had been mining for about 20 minutes (man this thing can bring in the ore with 2 strip miners on it) when I noticed a crusier popped up on my Dscan, which was set for 2 AU. Then he popped in my overview.....THEN he locked on to me! I hit my "Pod Saver" tab, clicked on first thing I found and warped out. Wow that got the ole heart a pumping.
Staten Island The Offical Balder Fan Club 33	Posted - 2015.04.27 19:31:09 - [46] - Quote Basically the only thing you need to know about protecting a reteriver is location location location. Find a nice out of the way spot (there are many of them, some with stations) and you can mine to your hearts content without ever seeing a ganker.
Staten Island The Offical Balder Fan Club 33	Posted - 2015.04.27 19:33:08 - [47] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Well I finally got the Retriever today! I tanked it up according to the T1 layout ffrom Eve Uni. My FIRST trip out in it I had been mining for about 20 minutes (man this thing can bring in the ore with 2 strip miners on it) when I noticed a crusier popped up on my Dscan, which was set for 2 AU. Then he popped in my overview.....THEN he locked on to me! I hit my "Pod Saver" tab, clicked on first thing I found and warped out. Wow that got the ole heart a pumping. Ganking with a cruiser would be overkill, its the desys you have to look out for.
Celgar Thurn Department 10 180	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:11:47 - [48] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Im a couple days away from having skills to be able to buy one. Cost about 30 mil ISK and was looking for advice on best way to protect it. I currently have 2 hobgoblin scout drones that do great against npc's in the .8 security area I mine, but when I get Retriever I want to try and protect against other players. Is there a specific shield or armor module I should get that would keep me alive till I can warp out or till Concord comes? Should I train to get better combat drones to fight other players? Thanks! You can't really protect a Retriever from other pilots as it's not possible to fit a decent tank. You have to work off the principle of your profits covering the occasional gank with the excess left over for you to play with. I noticed someone using a Retriever with three MTUs the other day so that seems a slightly better option than the standard jetcan method. Just build up local intel contacts, add the famous ganking organisations to contacts, and stay alert.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 23674	Posted - 2015.04.29 15:18:38 - [49] - Quote Celgar Thurn wrote: You can't really protect a Retriever from other pilots as it's not possible to fit a decent tank. While true, it's certainly possible to make it an economically undesirable ship to gank. Miners have to balance tank and yield, just as combat orientated players have to balance tank and gank, or haulers tank and volume. Quote: You have to work off the principle of your profits covering the occasional gank with the excess left over for you to play with. I noticed someone using a Retriever with three MTUs the other day so that seems a slightly better option than the standard jetcan method. Agreed; accepting ship losses as a cost of mining is certainly viable, a Retriever should pay for itself in a few hours. Quote: Just build up local intel contacts, add the famous ganking organisations to contacts, and stay alert. So much this. On a side note, most gankers will be happy to give ship fitting advice, even the ones that RP as evangelical mining reformers and demand a permit. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Marc Callan Lucifer's Hammer A Band Apart. 499	Posted - 2015.04.29 16:35:19 - [50] - Quote Two things matter with regards to aligning to warp out: the direction of your velocity vector, and your speed. You'll go into warp if/when your velocity hits 75% of your ship's maximum and your velocity vector is in line with your destination; accelerating to 75% takes some time, and changing your direction velocity vector takes a lot of time. One thing to bear in mind is that the server sees your ship as a billiard ball with a variable radius. It doesn't matter what direction your ship looks like it's pointed in; if your velocity vector is zero, you might as well be pointed anywhere. You'll still need to accelerate from a dead stop to get into warp, and for mining barges, that takes time you may not have if you've got an experienced ganker on grid with you. "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Amanda Chan Error 404 Pod Not Found 2	Posted - 2015.05.04 18:04:13 - [51] - Quote There is 1 rule to mining/doing anything "safely". Abuse EVE's absurd Meta-game info. Websites like http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ holds so much information it's obscene. It tells you what ore you can expect to find, the number of belts, how often it's traveled, what services are there at the station and what's near by BUT most importantly.... Who has died there and who did the killing. Take that list of people who suicide gank, look at the corporation is it just that person or everybody? If it's everybody set the whole corp to negative standings. Guess what? Next time they're in the system you just got intel that a possible ganker is in the system and you need to decide if you want to stick around/move on. Most people, with jobs/school/life play around the same time. This shows you a pattern of behavior. You know when and which gankers are active in your area by what time they usually get kills, lose rookie ships to Concord, etc. Make note on their character sheet, you know when you look at pilot info and see the notes tab? It's there for a reason. Hell you can stalk them on zkillboard and other such websites. With that list, of people who suicide gank, add them to your watchlist with a negative standing. No need to send them a notification that you did so...although if you wanted to I guess you could. Now you have the added protection of getting a notification when a known ganker is online. What does that leave us? Well you did your homework and picked a nice and quiet system. You've kept tabs on known gankers in your area. Those gankers, and their corp/alliance if need be, have been granted negative standing and added to your watch list. You did your home work and have an estimated time for each ganker and the areas they like to frequent. This means you. 1) Log in 2) Get notification of people on your watchlist that are online 3) Know where those people frequently gank because you did your homework and compiled relevant information in their notes 4) Bought a mining permit....j/k In all seriousness though even having this much data will only prevent suicide ganking only so much. You still need too pay attention, investigate neutrals(with your new found knowledge of the ******** metagame that is EVE). You can mine aligned, higgs boson rig helps you do that.(Just warp in at a belt, align to where you want to warp and set your speed to 75%. That way when you click warp poof you're gone) TL:DR Do your homework, pay attention while mining and you'll hopefully reduce the number of times you get suicide ganked. P.S Why are you mining anyways? If 9/10 when mining your watching a movie or playing another game....you're probably not enjoying EVE as much as you could by doing something else. Please don't be pigeonholed into something that other people say newbies should do. The other 1/10 of the time, hey sometimes its nice to sit back, and just make some mind number isk without constant click/twitch. There is a number of ways to make isk as a new player and mining is probably one of the most non-interactive/worst.(Market .01 isk PVP gets real serious).
Rowdy Gates Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2015.05.05 00:23:05 - [52] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: A lot of very helpful advice, thanks! Tho some I din't understand because it was like reading another language lol. I plan on mining in .8 or higher security so hopefully the Retriever fitted with advice in this thread will be relatively safe. Plus I have an application to join Eve University corp. If I decide later to mine in lower security areas I guess I would probably then buy a Procurer for the added protection. Some solid advice in the thread, mixed with other posts. But honestly, I would say do not sweat it. I simply fit a retriever to mine well, and I do not normally tank it at all. Do I lose any retrievers? Sure I do. It is a cost of doing business. I mine regularly, on multiple accounts and do other things around the house. Losing a few ships is expected and part of my overhead. My profit is being able to relax, make ISK, which I like doing, and even be able to be a little productive around the house. I can even get in an hour of work here and there, which would buy quite a bit of ISK if I wished. Letting Code have a little fun and give the pvpers something they can kill with no risk makes them happy, and hey, I am making so much ISK and even getting a little done in real life! I am happy to share the wealth a little. Want more detail? Without ORCA boosts, but two accounts, and some training - In high sec with two retrievers I can make 20 million an hour doing all the stuff I said I do, and I might lose a 32 million fitted retriever every 3-4 months. I am not casual, but I am certainly not hard core. Say you mined 10 hours a week. That would be 200,000,000 ISK a week, over 800,000,000 ISK a month, and by the time I lost a 32,000,000 retriever, I would have made say 2,500,000,000 ISK. If I lost about 80 fitted retrievers in that time I would have broken even. Its nice to have plenty of ISK.
Paranoid Loyd 5031	Posted - 2015.05.05 00:42:05 - [53] - Quote Amanda Chan wrote: felt like I gave away too much so I nuked my post. Too late, and that's not really the right attitude IMO, there is no shortage of ignorance and foolishness so anyone who goes out of their way to educate themselves deserves to get good information. There will always be people to kill that didn't educate themselves. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8496	Posted - 2015.05.07 01:17:19 - [54] - Quote I'll tell what I think of a Retriever. It's a disposable, cheap T1 ship to use while you are training for a T2 Exhumer. If you stick to out of the way systems not close to a low sec gate, your yield will more than make up for the loss from the rare gank. All you need fit is T1 mods enough to tank a solo Catalyst since no real gankers are going to waste multiple ships for such a 'prize', and a couple of drones to keep the rats off you. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1102	Posted - 2015.05.07 03:25:36 - [55] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: cargo expanders on a bowhead that physically hurts to read @ChainsawPlankto
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5064	Posted - 2015.05.07 03:50:33 - [56] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Well I finally got the Retriever today! I tanked it up according to the T1 layout ffrom Eve Uni. My FIRST trip out in it I had been mining for about 20 minutes (man this thing can bring in the ore with 2 strip miners on it) when I noticed a crusier popped up on my Dscan, which was set for 2 AU. Then he popped in my overview.....THEN he locked on to me! I hit my "Pod Saver" tab, clicked on first thing I found and warped out. Wow that got the ole heart a pumping. Vexor ganks, best ganks. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com


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