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Mark88fan Jones Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:47:23 - [1] - Quote Im a couple days away from having skills to be able to buy one. Cost about 30 mil ISK and was looking for advice on best way to protect it. I currently have 2 hobgoblin scout drones that do great against npc's in the .8 security area I mine, but when I get Retriever I want to try and protect against other players. Is there a specific shield or armor module I should get that would keep me alive till I can warp out or till Concord comes? Should I train to get better combat drones to fight other players? Thanks!
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2015.04.23 15:52:12 - [2] - Quote http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Retriever EveUni should be everyone's first stop for everything IMHO. Also google can be your friend.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9420	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:13:43 - [3] - Quote damage control II, however a better idea would be to add CODE. as a contact and keep an eye on local. Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
Paranoid Loyd 4886	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:16:29 - [4] - Quote IMO, you can't properly tank a Retriever without making it worse than a Procurer. So you either use a Procurer or you move to very quiet areas where you mine in a max yield Retriever and pay attention to local and d-scan. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Nalelmir Ahashion Omegon 42nd Core 644	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:17:49 - [5] - Quote First gank vs tank understand that even as mining ship you need to balance the gank (how much m3 you mine) and tank. DONT DONT DONT place **** load of mining laser upgrades. please don't. first rigs, I recommend some shield extender rigs which increase your shield pool, or some resist rigs according to your local rats damage types. High slots: Strip miners, if u can get modulated with crystals go for it. Medium, ignore prop mods... just bookmark the rocks and warp 0 on them. use some resist mods like shield hardeners or their passive version to increase your resist. I would recommend getting kinetic and thermal resist no matter where you are based (iirc that's damage type used by catalyst pilots to suicide gank you). Don't use shield boosters, waste of time. And I don't use the astroeid scanner modules... mining barrages mine so much you just clear the entire belt side to side I didn't bother to scan in order to min/max. Low slots: use Damage control unit. why? cheap and easy tank increase. also only module which gives hull resists across the board and this may save you. place some mining laser upgrades on the empty slots. Mining tips: 1. use shuttle to scout belts and "bookmark" each belt using one of the rocks as point to mark. then u just warp 0 on that rock. 2. always! align to a station or gate or something... 3. place your drones on "Passive" so they won't shoot back on suicide gankers granting them limited engagement on you. 4. don't let your drones fly around only launch them when rats are on grid aiming at you. 5. if you are not going to loot and salvage the wrecks of the rats abandon them. 6. if you see suicide ganker (catalyst etc...) immediately WARP away. your defense is to hold on until you warp out. if you are unable to warp due to point placed on you then you must hope you use enough tank to hold out until concord will arrive. 7. if u see some weird ship like venture without mining lasers coming at you it is a scout for a ganker. he will stick to you on 0 meters then the ganker will warp on your and shoot you down. most importantly, don't fly what you can't lose. so unless you got like 70 million isk to purchase 2 ships in advance don't fly it. if all else fails... procurer - > cause battleship tank in cruiser price with bonus to drone damage. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Dana Goodeye Quafe Commandos Point Blank Alliance 11	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:33:14 - [6] - Quote armor and shield tank, industrial skills, and a lot of drone skills are intelligence-memory heavy. so. remap for them, get +3 implants, train for t2 strip miners if you want to, for mining upgrades, and for light drones. when im mining, i use a well tanked procurer in 0.6, im usually mining semi afk, and i lost none. a procu might be mining about 5-10% less,i dont know... but mine has about 65k ehp and 110 dps... i can tank 4 ganker cats in 0.6 without any armor damage. might be 8 cat could kill me if they bait the concord first, and im afk, so cant fight back, cant overheat tank... and mine in a system where you can sell the ore on a good price without hauling it. btw on a procurer in 0.5 a damage control is mandatory, but i advise you to drop it only in 0.7 and above. i have no idea about the other mining barges.. they have ****** tank, so i dont fly them xD omm... btw my procurer has a dcu, a shield extender, 3 invul fields, and a mining upgrade in 0.5 and in 0.6, with t1 hobs. a ganker catalyst or thrasher is dps tanked, it means low ehp. even the t1 hobs can melt them. so, if you get ganked, attack immediatelly. at the time when concord arrives, youre likely already would have 3 gankers killed in 0.6. it means, if you have 6 gankers on you, they already lost half of their dps. fly safe or dangerous =)
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:34:07 - [7] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: And I don't use the astroeid scanner modules... mining barrages mine so much you just clear the entire belt side to side I didn't bother to scan in order to min/max. Nalelmir gives a lot of good advice and I'd probably be with him on not using an asteroid scanner however if you want to max out your isk per hour an asteroid scanner is probably the most important module that you can fit to your ship. This kind of goes off into a side topic on how the onset of massive amount of barge and exhumer ganking has actually lead to the dumbing down of mining in that all the skill that used to be involved in mining is gone now,at least in high sec, and you just fit max tank and wait for your ore hold to fill up. Other options involve mining in a fleet with someone that has fleet skills. That can help you align and warp faster as well as increase your armor and shield hit points. With a fleet booster ship that can be even more. Additionally you could do a full on bait fit and go to systems known for ganking and bring friends.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 287	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:35:05 - [8] - Quote Procurer -> Skiff I'm my own NPC alt.
Mark88fan Jones Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:38:03 - [9] - Quote Thanks for all the advice! Quote: 2. always! align to a station or gate or something... When you say "align" what exactly do you mean. Have my ship pointed in that direction?
Garmyne Atavuli Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 23	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:43:19 - [10] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Im a couple days away from having skills to be able to buy one. Cost about 30 mil ISK and was looking for advice on best way to protect it. I currently have 2 hobgoblin scout drones that do great against npc's in the .8 security area I mine, but when I get Retriever I want to try and protect against other players. Is there a specific shield or armor module I should get that would keep me alive till I can warp out or till Concord comes? Should I train to get better combat drones to fight other players? Thanks! You cannot really protect the ship via fittings without gimping the ship itself as 'Paranoid Loyd' said. Drones won't protect you either, by the time they reach the ship you will be dead. Hulks, Machinaws, Covetors and Retrievers are all basically paper bags, no matter what you do to them they are very squishy. Procurers and Skiffs on the other hand are like brick s!hithouses. So, If your in iffy territory and wish to remain there, a Proc or Skiff is what you want. Best way to protect any mining ship is to be vigilant, DON'T afk mine, d-scan regularly, keep aligned, don't smack talk local, set to RED any and all people/corps you know to be fielding active gank squads. If however your willing to go off the beaten track, try these: 1) Carebearium, a fantastic little site to help you decide where to live and what you want to have in the system. Basic filters include - Industry indices, Mission agents, Mining options, Player activity, Travel distance and Seclusion, there are many more custom filter to choose also. 2) zKillboard, once you have a narrowed your searches you may have a couple of systems in mind, use zKillboard to see what is happening there and in neighbouring systems. Good-luck.

Dana Goodeye Quafe Commandos Point Blank Alliance 14	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:46:56 - [11] - Quote mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. but i can assure you, if you tank your procurer correctly, you gonna laugh at the gankers =) they might be gonna try you once, because your young. dont fear them :) just be precautious.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5192	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:48:04 - [12] - Quote Remember that hull tanking is a thing now. https://o.smium.org/loadout/21311 - yield https://o.smium.org/loadout/23649 - tank Though a procurer beats the tanked retriever hands down on both tank and yield . https://o.smium.org/loadout/28154 However, you have to empty the ore hold about twice as frequently. Woo! CSM X! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9422	Posted - 2015.04.23 16:53:38 - [13] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Thanks for all the advice! Quote: 2. always! align to a station or gate or something... When you say "align" what exactly do you mean. Have my ship pointed in that direction? click a station, click align, click warp if anything scary happens Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:01:46 - [14] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Remember that hull tanking is a thing now. hull tanking mod's draw back is reduced cargo and for a solo miner if you are going to fit those you might as well just find a different way to make isk. Hull tanking maybe be a thing for bait fit solo PvP ships but not mining barges or at least I hope not mining barges.
Paranoid Loyd 4888	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:07:20 - [15] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Remember that hull tanking is a thing now. hull tanking mod's draw back is reduced cargo and for a solo miner if you are going to fit those you might as well just find a different way to make isk. Hull tanking maybe be a thing for bait fit solo PvP ships but not mining barges or at least I hope not mining barges. They won't make you ore cargo hold capacity go down. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:09:12 - [16] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: They won't make you ore cargo hold capacity go down. sorry for the confusion then.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9422	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:20:12 - [17] - Quote ergherhdfgh wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: They won't make you ore cargo hold capacity go down. sorry for the confusion then. Oh it's a common misconception, like cargo expanders on a bowhead (they don't effect the hold the ship goes in) Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1165	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:34:20 - [18] - Quote As people of said: fly a procurer if you care at all about being protected. If you're going to be in a retriever you might as well fit for full yield.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 288	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:34:57 - [19] - Quote Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. Urban legend, won't work. A ship at zero speed counts as not aligned. I'm my own NPC alt.
Mark88fan Jones Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:40:56 - [20] - Quote A lot of very helpful advice, thanks! Tho some I din't understand because it was like reading another language lol. I plan on mining in .8 or higher security so hopefully the Retriever fitted with advice in this thread will be relatively safe. Plus I have an application to join Eve University corp. If I decide later to mine in lower security areas I guess I would probably then buy a Procurer for the added protection.

Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9426	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:46:42 - [21] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. Urban legend, won't work. A ship at zero speed counts as not aligned. Yeah your ship needs to be moving Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 5194	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:50:00 - [22] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. Urban legend, won't work. A ship at zero speed counts as not aligned. Yeah your ship needs to be moving A Higgs Anchor may be worth considering too. Drops your max speed, so getting into warp should be faster. (or you can be aligned, and stay within range for longer) Woo! CSM X! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Solomar Espersei Quality Assurance 567	Posted - 2015.04.23 17:50:31 - [23] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: Plus I have an application to join Eve University corp. All discussion of retrievers aside, you'll certainly benefit from your time spent in the Uni. Best of luck. Quality Assurance
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1654	Posted - 2015.04.23 18:02:56 - [24] - Quote Personally, I never liked the Retriever. It was the first barge I bought, lost it to a war target (ah, memories) and I switched to a Procurer because it was cheaper and I could buy a new one quicker. I kept trying to convince myself to go back to the Ret, but whenever I took it out I just missed the Proc. I've since mothballed all mining ships except a Prospect Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Degnar Oskold Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop 153	Posted - 2015.04.23 18:58:49 - [25] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: I plan on mining in .8 or higher security so hopefully the Retriever fitted with advice in this thread will be relatively safe. No, it will not be safe. Remember, CONCORD does not exist to protect you from ganks, it exists to punish the gankers after they open fire. There is no system security level that is high enough to generate a CONCORD response before 2 gankers in catalysts manage to blow up a Retriever. The only safe places to use a Retriever are 1) Distant, remote parts of hisec such as hisec islands in lowsec that CODE and their copycats do not go to. 2) Nullsec, in safe systems firmly under control of your alliance and where you can get safe as soon as an unfamiliar face enters local.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2015.04.23 20:01:43 - [26] - Quote Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. but i can assure you, if you tank your procurer correctly, you gonna laugh at the gankers =) they might be gonna try you once, because your young. dont fear them :) just be precautious. Align doesnt work if you stop your ship. Perfect alignment is 3/4 speed pointed at a celestial to warp to, anything else is going to increase your time to align and warp out. At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1428	Posted - 2015.04.24 04:33:46 - [27] - Quote Mark88fan Jones wrote: A lot of very helpful advice, thanks! Tho some I din't understand because it was like reading another language lol. I plan on mining in .8 or higher security so hopefully the Retriever fitted with advice in this thread will be relatively safe. Plus I have an application to join Eve University corp. If I decide later to mine in lower security areas I guess I would probably then buy a Procurer for the added protection. Yeah basically either: - Mine with a retriever and write the occasional loss off as part of the running costs. or - get a procurer which mines just as fast but does waste some time with more runs back to base to empty out If your mining in 0.8 and above and really paranoid just run level 1 missions and mine them before handing them in. You can still be scanned down but at least its harder than gankers just warping to a belt.
Laken Starr Mining and Munitions Ltd SpaceMonkey's Alliance 77	Posted - 2015.04.24 08:00:53 - [28] - Quote As others have said, if you're worried about safety, use a Procurer. They can be made much more tanky than a Retriever without sacrificing nearly as much m3.
Cherri Minoa Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance 54	Posted - 2015.04.24 08:33:53 - [29] - Quote Procurer Tanked T1 and then later Tanked T2 are the ships you should be aiming for. It's a better choice even than the Skiff which, though it is more tanky, is a slightly more viable gank target because it is so much more valuable. Don't mine AFK. (In fact, anything AFK in EVE apart from being in station will end in tears eventually). Max out your drone skills and fly with 5 x Hornet EC-300 and 5 x Light Combat drones. At your mining site, deploy your ECM drones set to aggressive. They are not massively effective, but they have a small chance of breaking the target lock of a ganker, which buys you valuable seconds until CONCORD arrive. When NPC rats appear, recall the ECMs and deploy your combat drones. If the rats have already targeted you, you will need to lock and engage the drones onto them manually. (Aggressive only works if the drones are active in space before you are attacked.) In hi-sec you can probably tank belt rats all day, so its OK to replace one or two of your light combat drones with salvage drones if you want. "If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Snuggle Society The Marmite Collective 1649	Posted - 2015.04.24 08:37:48 - [30] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Dana Goodeye wrote: mining alligned means start mine, click a station, hit allign, then stop your ship. Urban legend, won't work. A ship at zero speed counts as not aligned. Yeah your ship needs to be moving A Higgs Anchor may be worth considering too. Drops your max speed, so getting into warp should be faster. (or you can be aligned, and stay within range for longer) Dropping the max speed to insta warp only works if the target was already moving. The higgs anchor reduces align time a tiny bit, but its there more for the velocity reduction allowing the ship to mine while fully aligned. You can test this by webbing a freighter at stand still and then having it try to warp as opposed to webbing a freighter that was already partially aligned. The one at standstill will have a similar align time to one that wasn't webbed at all. New Player Placement Specialist and Scope Project FC. Contact me for a free consultation. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!



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