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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2015.04.24 18:34:12 -
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If there's no "suicide gank a pod" achievement ...
... then something is clearly missing.
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.24 18:37:56 -
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Then there should be an "evade faction police without leaving grid" achievement ...
... and "shoot shuttle and pod in one go, under sentry fire in a thrasher" achievement.
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
21064
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Posted - 2015.04.24 18:39:35 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Solecist Project wrote:If there's no "suicide gank a pod" achievement ...
... then something is clearly missing. should be called "shoot someone in the face"
Sadly I believe that there won't be such a thing ...
... although it definitely should be there.
And sorry ... rewards are a bad idea.
The point of rewards is not to reward, but to create addiction.
To make people go for one more. One more. One more.
It's simply a bad idea to have them.
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
21065
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Posted - 2015.04.24 19:00:33 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Yeah well, the SECOND I hear someone say "cant come on that op" or "cant help out" or "sorry no time for a roam" because they are working on an ACHIEVEMENT, we got a problem, and unfortuneately, the ONLY players that this will cater to are the ones who will ONLY care about the achievement, so they will NOT work well with the community and will burn out or leave the second they get close or do get all the current achievements.
Your starting to cater to transient players with alot of these recent changes CCP, watch yourself.
I mean comeon EVE is a game of consequence, of profit, of endgoals, and working for results, doing something "for profit" makes sense, "so my enemy cant" makes sense, "because my corp/alliance needs it" makes sense. But "so i can get achievement points" doesnt fit, it will lead to arbitrary behaviour, and the expectation in new players that these are what they SHOULD be chasing, rather than making their own path and interacting with the community.
This caters to players that want to be led on quests, not ones that want to be part of a community.
Achievements aren't that much of an issue as long as there are no rewards.
I totally agree that achievements alone are already something that make people addicted ...
... but rewards would be even worse.
Yes, a lot of people feed their ego with achievements ...
... but you have to remember that literally everyone will have them anyway.
It's not completely the same as in, like XBLA or steam games ...
... I hope.
In any way can't we blame CCP for doing something that caters to these people.
If that's how you get them, then that's the way for CCP to go.
It's not CCPs fault at all.
They just want to keep the business running and increase it.
The fact that the whole industry nowadays is pretty much going after lower instincts ...
... and making people addicted ...
... well, it's a sad fact but there's nothing going to change that.
Most of the world is working this way already.
It's the same for advertisements.
Marketing in general.
We got to a point where every time someone tries to sell you something ...
... there's a gigantic scientific background behind it.
It's all about removing conscious thought and triggering the "I WANT" button,
combined with making people feel inadequate when they don't have "it".
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.24 20:07:31 -
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What about an "Join a corp and destroy your corpmate" achievement?
Oh, wait ....
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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Solecist Project
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Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.25 11:22:16 -
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Zappity wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:chasing achievements is no more "making your own path" than chasing achievements, or doing raids, in WoW, you rely on the developers to set your direction and goals for you. That design philosophy for new players, will have them expecting the rest of the game to cater to that, and when it doesnt theyll either quit anyways, or whine until CCP decides enough of them are whining the game is better off changed to suit them. I disagree. Every noob reaches the point where they realise it is a sandbox and needs to find a direction. It can be useful for that. These can also be useful for bridging the gap where you are bored with your current game but not sure what to do next.
No, they don't. You mix things as if it made sense.
Not everyone *realises* it's a sandbox and many people do *not* find any direction.
Reality is that most people just *know* it's a sandbox,
without actually *realising* it.
Most people absolutely *not* find a direction and instead
go a path that someone showed them.
She is absolutely right in what she fears,
especially because players nowadays don't really have much skill or creativity anyway.
People *will* chase achievements, because it feeds their ego.
"LOOK AT WHAT I ACHIEVED" ... bullshit.
Jokarz > you got owned?
Chris Justice > just a bit
Chris Justice > They were pulsing smart bombs at the point we all warped in. insta death.
Lev Arturis > pervs got 59 killmails
PERVS doing lowsec DD
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