Stitch Kaneland wrote:Ive killed enyos, triple masb hawks, vengeance, ret, jags and harpies in my thrasher. Actually im pretty sure ive killed every AF with it. Pirate frigs are alittle harder but still do able.
I've never had trouble killing thrashers in AFs but to avoid this inevitably going to a KB epeen comparing competition I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree. Dessies perform well in doing damage and projecting it but generally die if something sneezes on it. Most AFs do less damage but have more mobility, resiliance and quite a few have better midslots to control range or fit e-war to beat dessies in 1v1.
Stitch Kaneland wrote:If you think a 37-50% wouldnt affect how they engage hacs (and would need more), then why are you proposing 25% instead?
Because I think 25% is sufficient to give tech 1 BCs the significant advantage over tech 1 cruisers. I don't believe tech 1 BCs should overpower HACs. I said this already come'on.
Stitch Kaneland wrote:I never said a BC should outright dunk a HAC, but should give them a run for their money. Just like if an AF screws up.against a dessie, they will normally DIAF.
Trying to balance by price point is bad. These ships have a role to fill. BCs should kill cruisers like destroyers kill frigs. There is no disclaimer when flying a dessie that it can only kill something under 8m isk. HAC, faction and t1 are all cruisers no matter how you look at it. Do you think corms should be nerfed because they could snipe a daredevil at 80km for 10m? So why should t1 BC have an artificial isk to kill limit?
What I said was "I don't believe that a 65million isk (tech 2 fittings) tech 1 Battlecruisers should beat a 280 million isk (also tech 2 fittings) HAC
where both are fit for the same purpose"
Who fits a daredevil for sniping? They don't even have the lock range...
Stitch Kaneland wrote:I mentioned gila because you said cruisers cant get to BC level tank.Then you mentioned the 2 most tankiest drone boat BCs have no problems killing cruisers. Because drone boats can use drones against varying classes/damage types and arent limited by a single turret resolution or missile application or range (since drones follow). You missed your own point to the extent its like youre moving the goalposts.
And the Gila is a pirate cruiser with a tank bonus and 6 midslots and drone focussed DPS so it can use the bare minimum of its fittings for weapon systems. What was your interpretation of my point because mine was that they were fine at killing cruisers and yours according to the OP was that these hulls should receive a very large role bonus to drone speed.