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Areconus
Caldari Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.11.04 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Areconus on 04/11/2006 01:58:17 Can you say, no more:
**********=====-------CITADEL FULL SET CHEAP!!!!!!!-------=====*****
yay
Gloria Stitz-
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Jenessa
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:02:00 -
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I really can't complain about the changes on SiSi. Sure the instadock makes things a little tricky to nail people trying to escape, but in all honesty I get far more kills on gates/belts than I ever do near stations. That together with a pretty fairly thought out nerf on WCS (as in they dont penalise haulers/people transporting ships) means that so far Kali is looking pretty ****ed good.
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Ras Blumin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:06:00 -
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I hope that all old bms won't be useless :/
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:21:00 -
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would be great if they eventualy added skills for warping to 0km  seperate skills for gates/stations/fields etc, that way they can tweak them if warping to 0km to a station doesnt work out they can change that skill and make it 5-8km or whatever at lvl 5 etc. but anyway skills > modules. dont get some warp to 0km module in the game it will make things worse. skills would be mutch more prefered by everyone then warp to 0km modules, its also better in every way possible.. 
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XoPhyte
Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:24:00 -
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The warp to 0km is a nice feature. But I do hope that ccp will only disable (or remove) bookmarks that are set within a certain range of gates (like < 25km). As a lot of us have tacital bm's for sniping, covert ops etc. as well as bookmarks for secure cans, safespots as well.
I was suprised that even the dock feature warps you to 0km and insta docks you, but I guess if you are going to get rid of bookmarks, get rid of them all.
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight 
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 04/11/2006 02:31:40 hmm i "think" BMs close to gates are the only BMs removed, i havent checked but i think someone said only gate BMs were gone. i think they get deleted/not loaded when you log in on sisi?
edit: misread sry.. dunno if sniping BMs etc were gone too.
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Zoxia
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:55:00 -
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If your going to wipe BM's wipe em all. None of this oh but we should get to keep our this or that book marks.
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Firequill
Gallente The Black Ops Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 02:57:00 -
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And there was much rejoycing 
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murder one
Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Firequill And there was much rejoycing 
This absolutely sucks. The biggest nerf to piracy of all time. Period.
Because I said so...
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DeTox MinRohim
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:02:00 -
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It is very doubtful that they will remove them all by themselves as there is too much at stakes. POS, secured cans, safespots, etc...
But as all the G2G, S2G and Stations dock will be useless, I doubt anyone will have a problem deleting them of their Places.
Personally, I'll wait until it is confirmed that this will stay. 
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Matrix Aran on 04/11/2006 03:03:58 Just to make things perfectly clear. As of the latest patch on the test server, all legacy bookmarks (read: bookmarks made on the current TQ server) will be unuseable. You can still create new bookmarks in kali anywhere in space even an insta to a gate. it simply means everything in your people and places once you patch is useless. Afterwords you can make as many bookmarks as you like, though obviously the need and thus load on the server of gate to gate bookmarks will be greatly reduced. ----
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DeTox MinRohim
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
This absolutely sucks. The biggest nerf to piracy of all time. Period.
Maybe... but I'll probably enjoy to them having their XTo database shrink to XMo. 
Less lag or processing ftw 
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Turq
Minmatar GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:14:00 -
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Having BM's was a requirment to play in 0.0 lowsec, now more people will explore those area's, more targets.. and CCP's database will be a little bit faster. (okay a lot)
If this goes live it will be better for everyone, faster servers, more people exploring, downside as you noted.. pirates will need to adapt. -sig- |

Luric Vizjier
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Turq Having BM's was a requirment to play in 0.0 lowsec, now more people will explore those area's, more targets.. and CCP's database will be a little bit faster. (okay a lot)
If this goes live it will be better for everyone, faster servers, more people exploring, downside as you noted.. pirates will need to adapt.
It was never a "requirement" and now that it is so much easier to get into low sec, there is much less risk involved anymore. And as we all know, in Eve: Risk = Fun
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Dannek
Llama F5 and Associates
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Luric Vizjier
Originally by: Turq Having BM's was a requirment to play in 0.0 lowsec, now more people will explore those area's, more targets.. and CCP's database will be a little bit faster. (okay a lot)
If this goes live it will be better for everyone, faster servers, more people exploring, downside as you noted.. pirates will need to adapt.
It was never a "requirement" and now that it is so much easier to get into low sec, there is much less risk involved anymore. And as we all know, in Eve: Risk = Fun
Well, if that's true, then shouldn't you be overjoyed, since you now have more personal risk in trying to make your piracy actually work?
Oh that's right, risk is only for the *targets* of pirates.
I am happy to hear about this simply because it's going to cut down on travel times. -------------------------------------------------------- Working towards my own personal Dreadnought, one ISK at a time. |

0o0Preatorian0o0
Crest Tech
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:19:00 -
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This sucks... How am I to snipe with insta docks and insta jumps everywhere? 
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MeLoveYouLoooongTime
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:40:00 -
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hoooray |

Kim Chee
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:49:00 -
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I still think the accuracy of warp-ins should be tied to the size (mass) of the ship you fly. Tiny frigates should be able to jump right on top of something. Gigantic freighters full of lead bricks shouldn't be able to materialize within 10km of other objects. Titans should need to give planetary bodies 100km to avoid the gravity wells. :)
But... I'd rather have a level playing field with (virtual) instas for everyone, than the terabytes of bookmarks lagging us to our doom we see today.
hooray, progress!
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XoPhyte
Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kim Chee hooray, progress!
Yeah, I agree, may not be perfect, but better then what it was.
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight 
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Sam Nitram
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Posted - 2006.11.04 05:12:00 -
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lets face it it should have been this way all along. the gates and stations are in fixed orbits. Thier locations are well known so not being able to warp in close was a sad joke. The gatecampers arnt gonna be happy becouse now there gonna have to get off thier a$$ and do something. thier oh we can sit here not do anything and get rich is over. risk for reward. oops bob just came in everybody log. I like it
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TrippyX
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.04 07:38:00 -
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I really like it, but we do need to get to keep the BM's that aren't for gate to gate.. i bookmark locations that i find interesting as well, i bookmark stations where i have assets, i bookmark cans i got anchored in space for dropping my ratloot in..
I really like the "to 0km" option for gates, I LOVE IT!!! but as I stated above, i'd hate to lose all my non-g2g BM's
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Karjala Inc. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 08:12:00 -
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Actually from what I noticed you can't instadock to station from all angles. OK, the actual travel distance in those cases was less than 3 kilometers but it still isn't an instadock.
I personally like the fact that I don't need 1400 bookmarks to travel from empire to my 0.0 hideout. What I don't like is that I have to setup my giant secure can cache safespots again but tbh that's more of an annoyance than a problem.
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Julio Torres
Reaver Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.04 09:11:00 -
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I love this change, but all pre-kali BM's reuined isn't acceptable. Safespots, spyspots, secure can and hidden ships will be lost.
I cant even imagine the impact on fleet warfare, if you cant hide at a SS to reorganize or prepare for a attack
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Alex Tremayne
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.04 09:31:00 -
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CCP have clearly wussed out.
All they had to do was remove any BMs within 150km of gates and prevent creation of new ones in that range. That was all that was required. Instas were not needed in the first place and placating all the lame idiots who whine about how travel times would be increased without a warp to 0 option is a grave error on their part.
They had the chance to do something great.
They chickened out. 
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.11.04 09:48:00 -
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To all above supporting this or whining about it. History lesson:
In RMR testing they implimented this too. It was not inteanded as a feature for RMR though and was simply a quick test to see if they got some coding right and gauge the community reaction. So until a Dev confirms it is going to happen in Kali 1 (since they are already in feature freeze and this would be a feature) don't be surprised if it vanishes again for another few months.
They could just be testing the old code to see if it still works so they have less to do if and when the time is right to impliment this.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.04 10:11:00 -
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I've not been able to access my BMs on SiSi since they put Kali on the first build, so I wouldn't put too much into it. It might just be that they haven't mirrored them (the bookmarks). - Am I in the coolest alliance or what? |

Polaskii
Amarr CyberDyne Industries Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:01:00 -
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Great News! Thamkz CCP
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Choran
Caldari Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin I've not been able to access my BMs on SiSi since they put Kali on the first build, so I wouldn't put too much into it. It might just be that they haven't mirrored them (the bookmarks).
You're probably right on this, and I hope you are. There must be hundres of millions of rows in the bookmarks table that would be mostly unnecessary on the test server. It probably saved them a couple terabytes in storage space by not mirroring them...heh.
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Warnings
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:20:00 -
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It's a good solution but you have a another ...
Store bookmarks on local, you don't break the market of bookmarks and you reduce lag server. (But, put a very good security ... Crypt BM with user/pass of the player for can't copy files for a other player and change at each patch the encryption.)
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Sean Dillon
Caldari Privateers
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Posted - 2006.11.04 11:27:00 -
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CCP u SUCK ever THOUGH A TINY bit about what it does to pvp, empire wars? I would say 50+% of the kills done ingame happen at gates and stations. This thing simply adds god mode to the game.
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