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Bonezay Networth INC. Limitless Redux 2	Posted - 2015.04.28 12:05:58 - [1] - Quote Aside from my grudging appreciation for this new game mechanic. As on one hand my exotic ship collection was reduced to regular stock space ships. On the other hand I was left with a pile of permanent skins that I could activate for my character. I'm just wondering what the reasoning was behind the 30 day ship skins that I was left with. In particular: Catalyst Serpentis SKIN (30 Days) Coercer Blood Raiders SKIN (30 Days) Cormorant Guristas SKIN (30 Days) Cyclone Thukker Tribe SKIN (30 Days) Thrasher Thukker Tribe SKIN (30 Days) I paid a lot of isk to get these ships to pad out my exotic ship collection and these skins are now only good for thirty days. Is this a measure to phase out the ships entirely from the game or is the 30 day skin going to be a recurring item on the market? How do the rest of you feel about the new skin system?
Mr Duffo Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF 98	Posted - 2015.04.28 12:19:45 - [2] - Quote I like black cane but cant get it when ccp doesnt take my money...
Leannor Caldari Provisions Caldari State 156	Posted - 2015.04.28 12:21:07 - [3] - Quote Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. "Lykouleon wrote: STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21929	Posted - 2015.04.28 12:29:08 - [4] - Quote Leannor wrote: Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. You understand that permanent skins exist as well? Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
Tuttomenui II Aliastra Gallente Federation 329	Posted - 2015.04.28 12:34:09 - [5] - Quote Leannor wrote: Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. They should of just left the consumable skins the old way. Apply to single ship, ship loss = skin loss. Timed skins are lame.
Sniper Smith Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 368	Posted - 2015.04.28 12:34:18 - [6] - Quote I think the temp skins should act like the old system, it's yours till the ship goes boom.. I don't like the idea of needing to rebuy the skin every 30 days for a ship I might not use more than once or twice a month, or never lose..
Bachari Tanner Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.04.28 12:42:51 - [7] - Quote how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.
Wendrika Hydreiga 319	Posted - 2015.04.28 12:51:59 - [8] - Quote I wanted Guristas Edition Everything forever, but CCP said no. They didn't even gave us an option. There could have been cheaper 30 day Aurum stuff at a really low price and rare officer permanent Pirate Skins. Guess I'll have to settle with Wiyrkomi Edition Everything forever... But it's just not the same. So sad...
Celgar Thurn Department 10 180	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:00:46 - [9] - Quote I agree with you. Really for anyone who had bought those SKINS before todays update they should have been permanent. Then post release they could make any further ones 30 day if they so wished. Or refund you the Aurum you paid for them. It's yet another bad refunding process like when the data interfaces were removed and we received a pittance instead of price paid or actual value.
Celgar Thurn Department 10 180	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:02:40 - [10] - Quote Bachari Tanner wrote: how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. Yes given the new designs certainly of the Quafe ones which are not the same now I am quite surprised we are not having another 'shoot the monument' incident.

Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1667	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:05:43 - [11] - Quote If I'm not mistaken, all the temp skins drop as items in game, so the idea is that there is a constant free supply of them and if they were permanent then they would slowly be made more and more useless. I'm not a fan of the 30 day time limit, personally. Would rather it be something like one ship use only or have an option to buy a permanent license, but it doesn't look like those options are on the table at the moment. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Nam Dnilb Universal Frog 238	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:09:55 - [12] - Quote Is there a reason why we can't have both? 30 day from loot only. Permanent skins from pirate LP stores.
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1667	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:13:38 - [13] - Quote Nam Dnilb wrote: Is there a reason why we can't have both? I've seen this question asked many times in several places, and if there has been a response to it I am unaware of it. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Magnus Roden 2	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:15:34 - [14] - Quote Bachari Tanner wrote: how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 31266	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:21:19 - [15] - Quote The faction stuff is time limited now. I enjoyed a bit of pimpness in my Guristas Shuttles so I'm somewhat disappointed as well. I like that they're catching on to the market saturation thing, and I'm hoping this precedent carries over to clothing in that it becomes consumed by a character. FW clothing in particular. Help, I can't download EVE
Magnus Roden 2	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:27:09 - [16] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: The faction stuff is time limited now. I enjoyed a bit of pimpness in my Guristas Shuttles so I'm somewhat disappointed as well. I like that they're catching on to the market saturation thing, and I'm hoping this precedent carries over to clothing in that it becomes consumed by a character. FW clothing in particular. That is actually a neat idea, wearing FW gear is for people who actually do FW. And then make it BoP. Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 31266	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:31:37 - [17] - Quote I hope it's more than a neat idea, and more like a valid idea. The move to make dropped SKINs time-limited is the result of a dev or devs taking a close look at the game, and I'm hoping clothing will get similar treatment when it gets its time under the microscope. If it doesn't matter to anyone (and it shouldn't), clothing should have a sink just like other items in the FW stores. True, you can destroy clothing by getting caught with it in cargo, but depending on that to stabilize the conversion is bad. It's also the current state of things. Help, I can't download EVE
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2247	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:39:28 - [18] - Quote I really dislike that my previously permanent, unusual faction ship skins have now become a pointless temporary thing. I generally don't get gow.time limited ship skins are meant to make sense at all.
Bachari Tanner Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:39:33 - [19] - Quote Magnus Roden wrote: Bachari Tanner wrote: how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2248	Posted - 2015.04.28 13:58:15 - [20] - Quote That was more a case of massive amounts of time and money had been dedicated to developing a feature that added no value to the game, was comically incomplete, negatively affected the performance of the game and you couldn't turn it off. Pricing of the NEX store was dumb because it indicated the massive disconnect between CCP and the player base. Riots ensued because players were outraged because CCP had squandered their money developing things nobody cared about and not even doing it well while totally disregarding massive problems with existing features and failing to even care about what the players had to say about it.

Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1734	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:01:18 - [21] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Leannor wrote: Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. You understand that permanent skins exist as well? WoT managed to sell non-permanent paintjobs for their tank when permanent ones exist. There is always a sucker to buy something consumable even if permanent exist.
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21936	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:01:33 - [22] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: I hope it's more than a neat idea, and more like a valid idea. The move to make dropped SKINs time-limited is the result of a dev or devs taking a close look at the game, and I'm hoping clothing will get similar treatment when it gets its time under the microscope. If it doesn't matter to anyone (and it shouldn't), clothing should have a sink just like other items in the FW stores. True, you can destroy clothing by getting caught with it in cargo, but depending on that to stabilize the conversion is bad. It's also the current state of things. Time limited clothing ......................... Ohhhhh that would be awesome! :D I would only wear one of these. Once. Then never again anything at all! Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
Daerrol Furtherance. 130	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:02:03 - [23] - Quote If you paid a lot of money for those skinned ships then you were a sucker. You can get Pirate skins for about ~1m before the patch went live. We farmed the hell out of serpentis skins when I lived in Syndicate. I assume groups in other areas of the game are farming their anoms just as hard.
Magnus Roden 2	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:07:54 - [24] - Quote Bachari Tanner wrote: Magnus Roden wrote: Bachari Tanner wrote: how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here. When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W. The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake. Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1262	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:11:21 - [25] - Quote Ned Thomas wrote: Nam Dnilb wrote: Is there a reason why we can't have both? I've seen this question asked many times in several places, and if there has been a response to it I am unaware of it. Given the choice between permanent or time-limited skins, which would you choose? Permanent obviously. So what would the point be of time-limited ones? They would never be used and thus worthless. So there will never be both a permanent and time-limited version of the same skin. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Bachari Tanner Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:18:57 - [26] - Quote Magnus Roden wrote: Bachari Tanner wrote: Magnus Roden wrote: Bachari Tanner wrote: how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here. When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W. The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake. so now they just pigoen step towards the same and its ok. got it. small steps ccp and you can have anything you want!
Kiandoshia Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance 2258	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:21:55 - [27] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Leannor wrote: Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. You understand that permanent skins exist as well? Not for pirate skins.
Ned Thomas Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 1668	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:22:37 - [28] - Quote Daerrol wrote: IEdit: You guys know Pirate Skins are NOT purchased with AUR right? Does seem like some people are missing all the differences between the permanent and non-permanent skins. Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers! Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
Magnus Roden 2	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:25:06 - [29] - Quote Bachari Tanner wrote: Magnus Roden wrote: Bachari Tanner wrote: Magnus Roden wrote: Bachari Tanner wrote: how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here. When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W. The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake. so now they just pigoen step towards the same and its ok. got it. small steps ccp and you can have anything you want! Yes. Introducing more vanity items, ones which we've been asking for for years (if not a decade), clearly is an obvious indication that they're going to do P2W. Excellence is the gradual result of always striving to do better.
Wendrika Hydreiga 320	Posted - 2015.04.28 14:44:41 - [30] - Quote The Guristas Edition ships, both the Comorant and the Ferox, were seldomly used because these ships are not as popular as the other MVPs of Caldari ships. As consequence, the ships were cheap and not soughtly after other than as novelty collectors items. Also, using them in doctrine fleets would ultimately lead to their owners being singled out of the crowd because a Guristas ship would make for a prettier killmail. Of course CCP thought it would be a good idea to put an expiratiom date on these already awkward skins to increase their value and usage. Now, I am not an expert in markets, but making an item that's seldomly used as it, perishable after use, will only make people not bother with it. Now these skins can join all the other Exploration related junk and BPCs that ruin every explorers day. Guess I'll just buy two skins and keep them in my Guristas Collection unused. A pity... Oh, also, if you use these SKINs it doesn't matter if you don't have the SKIN applied, the clock will still be ticking.



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