Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.

Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month.

Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.

Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month.

how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.

Is there a reason why we can't have both?

how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.

The faction stuff is time limited now. I enjoyed a bit of pimpness in my Guristas Shuttles so I'm somewhat disappointed as well. I like that they're catching on to the market saturation thing, and I'm hoping this precedent carries over to clothing in that it becomes consumed by a character. FW clothing in particular.

The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process.

We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different.

You understand that permanent skins exist as well?

I hope it's more than a neat idea, and more like a valid idea. The move to make dropped SKINs time-limited is the result of a dev or devs taking a close look at the game, and I'm hoping clothing will get similar treatment when it gets its time under the microscope. If it doesn't matter to anyone (and it shouldn't), clothing should have a sink just like other items in the FW stores. True, you can destroy clothing by getting caught with it in cargo, but depending on that to stabilize the conversion is bad. It's also the current state of things.

i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here.

I've seen this question asked many times in several places, and if there has been a response to it I am unaware of it.

When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W.

The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake.

You understand that permanent skins exist as well?

IEdit: You guys know Pirate Skins are NOT purchased with AUR right?

so now they just pigoen step towards the same and its ok. got it. small steps ccp and you can have anything you want!

Hi ppl.

I kinda missed the whole skin feature. I mean, I knew there were some ways to make your ship have a different color but I didn't care (I had a "take a look at skins" in my todo tho).

So how does it work now ?
ALL skins are 30-day limited thingy or there are some that are permanent ? What are the prices more or less ?

Still at work so can't see ingame :-(

Personally, I think the 30d skins should be "permanent", but destroyable.

So collectors get there nice shiny ship to spin in, and the drops are still a viable option as some will get flown and destroyed.

how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.

The entry level is lower and the player base is changing.

If you have massive amount of timed ship skins, inject all and they will become nearly like permanent on license, 30 days x 12 = one year license!

The Guristas Edition ships, both the Comorant and the Ferox, were seldomly used because these ships are not as popular as the other MVPs of Caldari ships. As consequence, the ships were cheap and not soughtly after other than as novelty collectors items. Also, using them in doctrine fleets would ultimately lead to their owners being singled out of the crowd because a Guristas ship would make for a prettier killmail.

Of course CCP thought it would be a good idea to put an expiratiom date on these already awkward skins to increase their value and usage. Now, I am not an expert in markets, but making an item that's seldomly used as it, perishable after use, will only make people not bother with it. Now these skins can join all the other Exploration related junk and BPCs that ruin every explorers day.

Guess I'll just buy two skins and keep them in my Guristas Collection unused. A pity...

Oh, also, if you use these SKINs it doesn't matter if you don't have the SKIN applied, the clock will still be ticking.

YOU DO NOT BUY THESE SKINS WITH AUR. THEY WERE CHEAP BECAUSE THEY WERE SO PROLIFIC. THEY WERE USED ALL THE TIME. SPECTRE RAN A WHOLE BLOOD RAIDER FLEET. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

They should of just left the consumable skins the old way. Apply to single ship, ship loss = skin loss. Timed skins are lame.

When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W.

The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake.

yeah it really baffles me that they didn't handle skins like blueprints with a number of uses on them... even the permanent ones...

ccp must have a longterm plan because this **** makes no sense at all in the current state...

personaly i don't give a **** about skins but yeah, it's stupid :)

Hi ppl.

I kinda missed the whole skin feature. I mean, I knew there were some ways to make your ship have a different color but I didn't care (I had a "take a look at skins" in my todo tho).

So how does it work now ?
ALL skins are 30-day limited thingy or there are some that are permanent ? What are the prices more or less ?

Still at work so can't see ingame :-(

I don't like it

I feel its a kick in the nards to the players who bought, won, were gifted, paid LP for ships.

ships not SKINS

Perhaps they don't collect things in Iceland, other than money and Bjork albums, but I'm not sure they or many players on the forum realize what you do when you screw with someones collection.

I hear both sides of the argument and have to agree that players had a reasonable expectation that something they owned was theirs until they lost or disposed of it.
as folks have already pointed out some ships never got flown, they were bling, status, meta.

so in the cases where what was a special edition ship or LP skin it should retain the same characteristics of the original, good till lost, no timer BS just to sell or recover more AUR

future skins?
sure whatever, ships we skinned and bought previously? no,
same characteristics even if its a worse deal (not permanent) that makes them feel like they are more precious

hell if CCP did that in the first place I could overlook having to reskin the few ships I have

I think sometimes CCP forgets the amount of time we've invested in this terrible game

Thank a lot CCP for taking my Blood Raider prophecy.

Before i can play with and do my mission when i want, and have a nice skin.
Now i have to pay around 35M each 30 days to be able to play with the blood raider Prophecy.

Why ? because MR CCP said that like this.

Then why the Police SKIN isn't 30 day limited too ?



Thanks a lot for ****** us like that. I have Payed for a Blood raider Prophecy without time limitation, i want this back !


You just break all personal ship collection .

I know what we can call players who have it all up in their HEADS that SKINs are so important.

how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.

1. The Police skin was bought with AUR not a drop in game.

2. The previous system was always represented as a pilot program subject to change.

yeah it really baffles me that they didn't handle skins like blueprints with a number of uses on them... even the permanent ones...

ccp must have a longterm plan because this **** makes no sense at all in the current state...

personaly i don't give a **** about skins but yeah, it's stupid :)

skins go on ships, and don't get locked away in a broom closet

Not necessarily so, as there's no way to currently uninstall a permanent activated SKIN. So once you install any of the uber-rare and uber-expensive SKINs, it's mated to that character for the indefinite future. The surest way to ensure your SKINs continue to increase in both rarity and value is to in fact lock them away in a broom closet.

I know what we can call players who have it all up in their HEADS that SKINs are so important.

That was more a case of massive amounts of time and money had been dedicated to developing a feature that added no value to the game, was comically incomplete, negatively affected the performance of the game and you couldn't turn it off. Pricing of the NEX store was dumb because it indicated the massive disconnect between CCP and the player base.

Riots ensued because players were outraged because CCP had squandered their money developing things nobody cared about and not even doing it well while totally disregarding massive problems with existing features and failing to even care about what the players had to say about it.

how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.

In other words, EvE players turned out to be exactly the same bunch of whiny, self-absorbed, entitled, brats that we accuse the players of all other MMOs of being.

I really dislike that my previously permanent, unusual faction ship skins have now become a pointless temporary thing. I generally don't get gow.time limited ship skins are meant to make sense at all.

Its actually more complicated then this.

You had an enivorment where a **** storm was brewing. It was not one single factor. Because honestly, if things had not come together at that time there would of been no riots (i keep pointing this.. i think i just need to write a blog post or some crap and just link it)

Anyway, i was semi here and semi not at that time, wife had my son, so i researched most of this, which you know kids these days have issues doing i guess.

The riots had more going on then the monicles, MT, and $1k pants. These were just, as stated icing. You had the following factors:

1) Incarnia, which took about 3-5 years to build (first shown at ff07 came out in 11) it was described as one way for years, and if you look up the ambulation project it was amazing. Unfortunatly, what we got was a half assed feature that melted video cards and did not really add anything to eve. This would of been fine, and people would of been like "whatever" i mean we have delt with half assed features for years (pi, FW, incrusions, pos, constalation sov, dominion sov, etc) all part of old CCP, all half assed as they moved on to new shiney. So this alone we would of moved off from.

But add in...

2) Overly expensive microtranactions for stuff that has no cool factor. Sure some people can play space barbie if they want, and that was all fine and dandy. The $70 monicles would not of been an issue, none of incarnia or NES would of been an issue... but then you add in the next set...

3) The stagnation and half assedness of a lot of eve features. As i said, 5 years of devlopment for incarnia, Dust being made, WoD being made. People saw these other things coming, saw incarnia drop and looked at the state of the game and went 'wait... wait.. what?' The last good expantion was apocacryto. Dominon was half assed and broken, the one after (before incarnia) was also broken. Then incarnia drops.. with.. what? no space game play or repairs? Now you start having people questioning CCP path, vision, and wondering with dust coming, and WoD being made.. do we matter anymore?

So these three alone, people would of shurgged. Another ****** incomplete space expnation fine. Incarnia, on its own fine. MT's added after incarnia or on its own, fine. All three? Well now people start wondering WTF is ccp doing ant thinking. Then you add on the final staw...

4) Greed is good. Someone in CCP leaked an internal memo. Supposidly one of many, but this one stated there idea to add gold ammo, new ships that you can only get from NES and for Aurum. Basicly a 'why don;t we go p2w? we can make $$$ lets be greedy' As i said, this alone would not of caused alot of issues. But would of make people question, might of brought on a thread naught, but this and with the monicals, eve negelect, and a ****** expantion... was like throwing a moltiof cocktail on an already dry, ready to burst feild.

All 4... plus ccp not calming things down quickly, and the years of frustration, annoyance, and wondering WTF is ccp doing, caused the player base to explode.

It was not incarnia, mt, greed is good, or neglect... i twas all 4, at once.

Why are people not caring about MT now? because eve, the space game, is getting new stuff. The dev time is not wasted. And its really optional. People felt liked too and cheated in the riots. that was not a good place for ccp to be.

If this had not happened, if ccp had fixed one of the three, we might have WiS complete... but they didn't. And as i said before, i fully believe it is time to finish WiS and make it something. or rip it from the game.

But there ya go.

$30 freaking Merlin.... lmao

Only thing i can think of is that in 2010 EvE was different.
In the years since tons more WoW refugees flooded in.
These new-newbros are not the same community that raged in 2010.

If you try to sell $1000 jeans, get laughed and raged at, yet spend the next 5years recruiting WoW refugees into your game then sell $30 Merlins to them, i guess ccp wins

Now i have to pay around 35M each 30 days to be able to play with the blood raider Prophecy..

You understand that permanent skins exist as well?

Are you blind ? idiot ? never played EvE ? or just never play a game in your life for not understand ?

Did you understand what is "Supply and demand" in business ?

...

So the price will gow again and again like a Quafe megathron, and i doesn't want pay 1B for 30 Day. You can think i am wrong, but take a look of the history price for the ship before the patch, and look the evolution of the SKINs, and the lower offer than before.

30 Day limited Skin are usless, that just like burn money.