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Bonezay
Networth INC. Limitless Redux
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:05:58 -
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Aside from my grudging appreciation for this new game mechanic. As on one hand my exotic ship collection was reduced to regular stock space ships. On the other hand I was left with a pile of permanent skins that I could activate for my character.
I'm just wondering what the reasoning was behind the 30 day ship skins that I was left with.
In particular:
Catalyst Serpentis SKIN (30 Days) Coercer Blood Raiders SKIN (30 Days) Cormorant Guristas SKIN (30 Days) Cyclone Thukker Tribe SKIN (30 Days) Thrasher Thukker Tribe SKIN (30 Days)
I paid a lot of isk to get these ships to pad out my exotic ship collection and these skins are now only good for thirty days. Is this a measure to phase out the ships entirely from the game or is the 30 day skin going to be a recurring item on the market? How do the rest of you feel about the new skin system? |
Mr Duffo
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
98
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:19:45 -
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I like black cane but cant get it when ccp doesnt take my money... |
Leannor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:21:07 -
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Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.
Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month.
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Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21929
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:29:08 -
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Leannor wrote:Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.
Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. You understand that permanent skins exist as well?
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
329
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:34:09 -
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Leannor wrote:Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.
Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month.
They should of just left the consumable skins the old way. Apply to single ship, ship loss = skin loss. Timed skins are lame.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
368
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:34:18 -
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I think the temp skins should act like the old system, it's yours till the ship goes boom.. I don't like the idea of needing to rebuy the skin every 30 days for a ship I might not use more than once or twice a month, or never lose.. |
Bachari Tanner
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:42:51 -
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how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. |
Wendrika Hydreiga
319
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Posted - 2015.04.28 12:51:59 -
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I wanted Guristas Edition Everything forever, but CCP said no. They didn't even gave us an option. There could have been cheaper 30 day Aurum stuff at a really low price and rare officer permanent Pirate Skins.
Guess I'll have to settle with Wiyrkomi Edition Everything forever... But it's just not the same. So sad... |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
180
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:00:46 -
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I agree with you. Really for anyone who had bought those SKINS before todays update they should have been permanent. Then post release they could make any further ones 30 day if they so wished. Or refund you the Aurum you paid for them. It's yet another bad refunding process like when the data interfaces were removed and we received a pittance instead of price paid or actual value. |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
180
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:02:40 -
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Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.
Yes given the new designs certainly of the Quafe ones which are not the same now I am quite surprised we are not having another 'shoot the monument' incident. |
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1667
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:05:43 -
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If I'm not mistaken, all the temp skins drop as items in game, so the idea is that there is a constant free supply of them and if they were permanent then they would slowly be made more and more useless.
I'm not a fan of the 30 day time limit, personally. Would rather it be something like one ship use only or have an option to buy a permanent license, but it doesn't look like those options are on the table at the moment.
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Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
238
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:09:55 -
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Is there a reason why we can't have both? 30 day from loot only. Permanent skins from pirate LP stores. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1667
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:13:38 -
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Nam Dnilb wrote:Is there a reason why we can't have both?
I've seen this question asked many times in several places, and if there has been a response to it I am unaware of it.
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Magnus Roden
2
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:15:34 -
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Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.
The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process.
We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31266
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:21:19 -
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The faction stuff is time limited now. I enjoyed a bit of pimpness in my Guristas Shuttles so I'm somewhat disappointed as well. I like that they're catching on to the market saturation thing, and I'm hoping this precedent carries over to clothing in that it becomes consumed by a character. FW clothing in particular.
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Magnus Roden
2
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:27:09 -
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Rain6637 wrote:The faction stuff is time limited now. I enjoyed a bit of pimpness in my Guristas Shuttles so I'm somewhat disappointed as well. I like that they're catching on to the market saturation thing, and I'm hoping this precedent carries over to clothing in that it becomes consumed by a character. FW clothing in particular.
That is actually a neat idea, wearing FW gear is for people who actually do FW. And then make it BoP.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31266
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:31:37 -
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I hope it's more than a neat idea, and more like a valid idea. The move to make dropped SKINs time-limited is the result of a dev or devs taking a close look at the game, and I'm hoping clothing will get similar treatment when it gets its time under the microscope. If it doesn't matter to anyone (and it shouldn't), clothing should have a sink just like other items in the FW stores. True, you can destroy clothing by getting caught with it in cargo, but depending on that to stabilize the conversion is bad. It's also the current state of things.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2247
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:39:28 -
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I really dislike that my previously permanent, unusual faction ship skins have now become a pointless temporary thing. I generally don't get gow.time limited ship skins are meant to make sense at all. |
Bachari Tanner
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:39:33 -
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Magnus Roden wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2248
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Posted - 2015.04.28 13:58:15 -
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That was more a case of massive amounts of time and money had been dedicated to developing a feature that added no value to the game, was comically incomplete, negatively affected the performance of the game and you couldn't turn it off. Pricing of the NEX store was dumb because it indicated the massive disconnect between CCP and the player base.
Riots ensued because players were outraged because CCP had squandered their money developing things nobody cared about and not even doing it well while totally disregarding massive problems with existing features and failing to even care about what the players had to say about it. |
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1734
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:01:18 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Leannor wrote:Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.
Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. You understand that permanent skins exist as well?
WoT managed to sell non-permanent paintjobs for their tank when permanent ones exist. There is always a sucker to buy something consumable even if permanent exist. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
21936
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:01:33 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I hope it's more than a neat idea, and more like a valid idea. The move to make dropped SKINs time-limited is the result of a dev or devs taking a close look at the game, and I'm hoping clothing will get similar treatment when it gets its time under the microscope. If it doesn't matter to anyone (and it shouldn't), clothing should have a sink just like other items in the FW stores. True, you can destroy clothing by getting caught with it in cargo, but depending on that to stabilize the conversion is bad. It's also the current state of things. Time limited clothing ......................... Ohhhhh that would be awesome! :D
I would only wear one of these. Once. Then never again anything at all!
Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine.
The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us.
The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back.
Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
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Daerrol
Furtherance.
130
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:02:03 -
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If you paid a lot of money for those skinned ships then you were a sucker. You can get Pirate skins for about ~1m before the patch went live. We farmed the hell out of serpentis skins when I lived in Syndicate. I assume groups in other areas of the game are farming their anoms just as hard. |
Magnus Roden
2
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:07:54 -
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Bachari Tanner wrote:Magnus Roden wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here.
When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W.
The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake.
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1262
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:11:21 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Nam Dnilb wrote:Is there a reason why we can't have both? I've seen this question asked many times in several places, and if there has been a response to it I am unaware of it.
Given the choice between permanent or time-limited skins, which would you choose? Permanent obviously. So what would the point be of time-limited ones? They would never be used and thus worthless. So there will never be both a permanent and time-limited version of the same skin.
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Bachari Tanner
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:18:57 -
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Magnus Roden wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:Magnus Roden wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here. When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W. The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake. so now they just pigoen step towards the same and its ok. got it. small steps ccp and you can have anything you want! |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2258
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:21:55 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Leannor wrote:Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.
Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. You understand that permanent skins exist as well?
Not for pirate skins. |
Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1668
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:22:37 -
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Daerrol wrote:IEdit: You guys know Pirate Skins are NOT purchased with AUR right?
Does seem like some people are missing all the differences between the permanent and non-permanent skins.
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Magnus Roden
2
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:25:06 -
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Bachari Tanner wrote:Magnus Roden wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:Magnus Roden wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here. When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W. The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake. so now they just pigoen step towards the same and its ok. got it. small steps ccp and you can have anything you want!
Yes. Introducing more vanity items, ones which we've been asking for for years (if not a decade), clearly is an obvious indication that they're going to do P2W.
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Wendrika Hydreiga
320
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:44:41 -
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The Guristas Edition ships, both the Comorant and the Ferox, were seldomly used because these ships are not as popular as the other MVPs of Caldari ships. As consequence, the ships were cheap and not soughtly after other than as novelty collectors items. Also, using them in doctrine fleets would ultimately lead to their owners being singled out of the crowd because a Guristas ship would make for a prettier killmail.
Of course CCP thought it would be a good idea to put an expiratiom date on these already awkward skins to increase their value and usage. Now, I am not an expert in markets, but making an item that's seldomly used as it, perishable after use, will only make people not bother with it. Now these skins can join all the other Exploration related junk and BPCs that ruin every explorers day.
Guess I'll just buy two skins and keep them in my Guristas Collection unused. A pity...
Oh, also, if you use these SKINs it doesn't matter if you don't have the SKIN applied, the clock will still be ticking. |
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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
108
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:45:57 -
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$30 freaking Merlin.... lmao
Only thing i can think of is that in 2010 EvE was different. In the years since tons more WoW refugees flooded in. These new-newbros are not the same community that raged in 2010.
If you try to sell $1000 jeans, get laughed and raged at, yet spend the next 5years recruiting WoW refugees into your game then sell $30 Merlins to them, i guess ccp wins |
X Kent
Russian Thunder Squad The Afterlife.
3
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Posted - 2015.04.28 14:59:26 -
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Hi ppl.
I kinda missed the whole skin feature. I mean, I knew there were some ways to make your ship have a different color but I didn't care (I had a "take a look at skins" in my todo tho).
So how does it work now ? ALL skins are 30-day limited thingy or there are some that are permanent ? What are the prices more or less ?
Still at work so can't see ingame :-(
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Wendrika Hydreiga
320
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Posted - 2015.04.28 15:04:31 -
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X Kent wrote:Hi ppl.
I kinda missed the whole skin feature. I mean, I knew there were some ways to make your ship have a different color but I didn't care (I had a "take a look at skins" in my todo tho).
So how does it work now ? ALL skins are 30-day limited thingy or there are some that are permanent ? What are the prices more or less ?
Still at work so can't see ingame :-(
Only Pirate SKINs (Guristas, Serpentis, Bloodraiders, Angels, etc.) obtained as drops are time-limited. The others are 100% finger licking permanent. |
M1k3y Koontz
Bio Troll Surely You're Joking
749
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Posted - 2015.04.28 15:22:19 -
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The pirate faction ones are being phased out. The rest are permanent.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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Steijn
Quay Industries
665
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Posted - 2015.04.28 15:27:05 -
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Personally, I think the 30d skins should be "permanent", but destroyable.
So collectors get there nice shiny ship to spin in, and the drops are still a viable option as some will get flown and destroyed. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8000
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Posted - 2015.04.28 15:29:38 -
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If you have massive amount of timed ship skins, inject all and they will become nearly like permanent on license, 30 days x 12 = one year license!
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
372
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Posted - 2015.04.29 03:49:06 -
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Steijn wrote:Personally, I think the 30d skins should be "permanent", but destroyable.
So collectors get there nice shiny ship to spin in, and the drops are still a viable option as some will get flown and destroyed. Agreed. Those ones worked just fine. Hell you could even do both, either with two different drops, or with an option when you inject it.. "This is a limited Skin, do you want it to be: 30 Days Unlimited Use; Permanent but lost upon destruction".. Maybe with the added feature that the with the destructible one, you CAN'T change from it in space (To avoid sneaking out before destruction..) |
Jenshae Chiroptera
1405
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Posted - 2015.04.29 03:56:11 -
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Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The entry level is lower and the player base is changing.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1418
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Posted - 2015.04.29 04:19:46 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The entry level is lower and the player base is changing. Naw, we just understand what the actual problems were and having cosmetic MT's wasn't the issue. $1000 jeans was only a thing on the back of Greed is good, 18 months, incarna without choices or gameplay and the refusal to commit to no P2win |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
199
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Posted - 2015.04.29 04:50:13 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:If you have massive amount of timed ship skins, inject all and they will become nearly like permanent on license, 30 days x 12 = one year license!
Good thinking.
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Morganta
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
2021
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Posted - 2015.04.29 05:33:43 -
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I don't like it
I feel its a kick in the nards to the players who bought, won, were gifted, paid LP for ships.
ships not SKINS
Perhaps they don't collect things in Iceland, other than money and Bjork albums, but I'm not sure they or many players on the forum realize what you do when you screw with someones collection.
I hear both sides of the argument and have to agree that players had a reasonable expectation that something they owned was theirs until they lost or disposed of it. as folks have already pointed out some ships never got flown, they were bling, status, meta.
so in the cases where what was a special edition ship or LP skin it should retain the same characteristics of the original, good till lost, no timer BS just to sell or recover more AUR
future skins? sure whatever, ships we skinned and bought previously? no, same characteristics even if its a worse deal (not permanent) that makes them feel like they are more precious
hell if CCP did that in the first place I could overlook having to reskin the few ships I have
I think sometimes CCP forgets the amount of time we've invested in this terrible game |
Daerrol
Furtherance.
133
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Posted - 2015.04.29 13:48:56 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:The Guristas Edition ships, both the Comorant and the Ferox, were seldomly used because these ships are not as popular as the other MVPs of Caldari ships. As consequence, the ships were cheap and not soughtly after other than as novelty collectors items. Also, using them in doctrine fleets would ultimately lead to their owners being singled out of the crowd because a Guristas ship would make for a prettier killmail.
Of course CCP thought it would be a good idea to put an expiratiom date on these already awkward skins to increase their value and usage. Now, I am not an expert in markets, but making an item that's seldomly used as it, perishable after use, will only make people not bother with it. Now these skins can join all the other Exploration related junk and BPCs that ruin every explorers day.
Guess I'll just buy two skins and keep them in my Guristas Collection unused. A pity...
Oh, also, if you use these SKINs it doesn't matter if you don't have the SKIN applied, the clock will still be ticking. YOU DO NOT BUY THESE SKINS WITH AUR. THEY WERE CHEAP BECAUSE THEY WERE SO PROLIFIC. THEY WERE USED ALL THE TIME. SPECTRE RAN A WHOLE BLOOD RAIDER FLEET. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4387
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Posted - 2015.04.29 14:45:48 -
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Daerrol wrote:YOU DO NOT BUY THESE SKINS WITH AUR. THEY WERE CHEAP BECAUSE THEY WERE SO PROLIFIC. THEY WERE USED ALL THE TIME. SPECTRE RAN A WHOLE BLOOD RAIDER FLEET. WHY DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS? I think it's because players were conditioned to the aspect that while the previous SKINs were permanent, they could be destroyed with the ship. So yes, they're "permanent" now in the sense that they can never be lost - but they do expire.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
3161
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Posted - 2015.04.29 14:56:00 -
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Kick in the nads indeed. My exotic ship collection was not the grandest, but it still sucks balls that they just turned to skins, just another thing I'm supposed to just grin and bare I guess.
Stupid me for skilling properly when CCP are handing out SP to people who couldn't be bothered, stupid me for collecting nice ships, stupid me for (to be continued at CCP's pleasure).
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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
2541
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:03:53 -
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my non-permanent SKINs are sitting in my redeeming system, waiting for either an opportunity to use them, or CCP to back off of the time-limited thing.
I'm also still hoping that if they're sticking to the pricetag for the permanent ones, they'll open up the application to any hull within the size range.
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Coelomate Tian
The Suicide Kings Black Legion.
12
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:15:30 -
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30 day SKINs could have worked with more popular ships and exotic designs. If they introduced that black and silver Machariel SKIN as a 30 day license and made it a rare drop or expensive LP store item or something, it would be intriguing.
Washed out guristas catalyst for 30 days? Yeah, that's not going to get people's wallets moving. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6620
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Posted - 2015.04.29 15:45:05 -
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I know what we can call players who have it all up in their HEADS that SKINs are so important.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
0
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:01:00 -
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Thank a lot CCP for taking my Blood Raider prophecy.
Before i can play with and do my mission when i want, and have a nice skin. Now i have to pay around 35M each 30 days to be able to play with the blood raider Prophecy.
Why ? because MR CCP said that like this.
Then why the Police SKIN isn't 30 day limited too ?
Thanks a lot for ****** us like that. I have Payed for a Blood raider Prophecy without time limitation, i want this back !
You just break all personal ship collection . |
Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:23:48 -
[49] - Quote
Truly hate that i don't have my Guristas Pirate ship collection anymore
Sort it out CCP.... , the 30day skin license is such a stupid idea.
EVEBoard ...Just over 20million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
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Erikka Tove
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2015.04.29 16:51:48 -
[50] - Quote
They should have kept the dropped skins destructible and without a time duration, and made them LP store only if they wanted the price to remain somewhat stable for whatever reason. Or reduced the drop rate. I don't know why they care about the price of pirate ship skins, but yet any other exploration loot is fine to be farmed.
Would have been coolest to just have the option to activate pirate skins only if you have a certain standing with that faction. 2+ to have access to destroyer skin, 4+ for BC skin, 6+ for BS skin. Something like that, to keep them rare and unique and throw role players a bone. Too late for all that now I suppose. |
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Nalia White
Tencus
116
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Posted - 2015.04.29 17:40:59 -
[51] - Quote
yeah it really baffles me that they didn't handle skins like blueprints with a number of uses on them... even the permanent ones...
ccp must have a longterm plan because this **** makes no sense at all in the current state...
personaly i don't give a **** about skins but yeah, it's stupid :) |
Joe Atei
Aes Dei Asher
2
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:02:08 -
[52] - Quote
Tuttomenui II wrote:Leannor wrote:Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.
Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. They should of just left the consumable skins the old way. Apply to single ship, ship loss = skin loss. Timed skins are lame.
Agreed. |
DaReaper
Net 7
1980
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:40:34 -
[53] - Quote
Magnus Roden wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:Magnus Roden wrote:Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'. The problem we had with it was CCP not openly stating to not go for pay2win, and how the system they had gave you an actual ship, completely circumventing the ingame player driven market and production process. We're fine with Micro transactions for vanity stuff, that was never any different. i thought they only ever had the ideas for vanity stuff, but manacles were expensive, so riots ensued. now that it's just $1500 for all the initially release skins everyones like 'all fine'. seems they got what they wanted in the end just they went the long way round to get here. When Incarna(ge) happened there were rumours about P2W, we openly asked CCP about this and they remained quiet. We asked again, they remained quiet. We threadnaughted, they remained quiet. It took a whole lot of "are you a glutton for punishment or something?" from the CSM and rioting from us before CCP finally decided that it would be a good idea to openly state to NOT going for P2W. The $1000 jeans were just icing on the cake.
Its actually more complicated then this.
You had an enivorment where a **** storm was brewing. It was not one single factor. Because honestly, if things had not come together at that time there would of been no riots (i keep pointing this.. i think i just need to write a blog post or some crap and just link it)
Anyway, i was semi here and semi not at that time, wife had my son, so i researched most of this, which you know kids these days have issues doing i guess.
The riots had more going on then the monicles, MT, and $1k pants. These were just, as stated icing. You had the following factors:
1) Incarnia, which took about 3-5 years to build (first shown at ff07 came out in 11) it was described as one way for years, and if you look up the ambulation project it was amazing. Unfortunatly, what we got was a half assed feature that melted video cards and did not really add anything to eve. This would of been fine, and people would of been like "whatever" i mean we have delt with half assed features for years (pi, FW, incrusions, pos, constalation sov, dominion sov, etc) all part of old CCP, all half assed as they moved on to new shiney. So this alone we would of moved off from.
But add in...
2) Overly expensive microtranactions for stuff that has no cool factor. Sure some people can play space barbie if they want, and that was all fine and dandy. The $70 monicles would not of been an issue, none of incarnia or NES would of been an issue... but then you add in the next set...
3) The stagnation and half assedness of a lot of eve features. As i said, 5 years of devlopment for incarnia, Dust being made, WoD being made. People saw these other things coming, saw incarnia drop and looked at the state of the game and went 'wait... wait.. what?' The last good expantion was apocacryto. Dominon was half assed and broken, the one after (before incarnia) was also broken. Then incarnia drops.. with.. what? no space game play or repairs? Now you start having people questioning CCP path, vision, and wondering with dust coming, and WoD being made.. do we matter anymore?
So these three alone, people would of shurgged. Another ****** incomplete space expnation fine. Incarnia, on its own fine. MT's added after incarnia or on its own, fine. All three? Well now people start wondering WTF is ccp doing ant thinking. Then you add on the final staw...
4) Greed is good. Someone in CCP leaked an internal memo. Supposidly one of many, but this one stated there idea to add gold ammo, new ships that you can only get from NES and for Aurum. Basicly a 'why don;t we go p2w? we can make $$$ lets be greedy' As i said, this alone would not of caused alot of issues. But would of make people question, might of brought on a thread naught, but this and with the monicals, eve negelect, and a ****** expantion... was like throwing a moltiof cocktail on an already dry, ready to burst feild.
All 4... plus ccp not calming things down quickly, and the years of frustration, annoyance, and wondering WTF is ccp doing, caused the player base to explode.
It was not incarnia, mt, greed is good, or neglect... i twas all 4, at once.
Why are people not caring about MT now? because eve, the space game, is getting new stuff. The dev time is not wasted. And its really optional. People felt liked too and cheated in the riots. that was not a good place for ccp to be.
If this had not happened, if ccp had fixed one of the three, we might have WiS complete... but they didn't. And as i said before, i fully believe it is time to finish WiS and make it something. or rip it from the game.
But there ya go.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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DaReaper
Net 7
1980
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Posted - 2015.04.29 18:47:59 -
[54] - Quote
Nalia White wrote:yeah it really baffles me that they didn't handle skins like blueprints with a number of uses on them... even the permanent ones...
ccp must have a longterm plan because this **** makes no sense at all in the current state...
personaly i don't give a **** about skins but yeah, it's stupid :)
the long term plan is player made custom skins. or so ff14 would have us think
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
454
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:09:28 -
[55] - Quote
X Kent wrote:Hi ppl.
I kinda missed the whole skin feature. I mean, I knew there were some ways to make your ship have a different color but I didn't care (I had a "take a look at skins" in my todo tho).
So how does it work now ? ALL skins are 30-day limited thingy or there are some that are permanent ? What are the prices more or less ?
Still at work so can't see ingame :-(
If only CCP had a place where dev blogs could be posted that explain new features in complete detail. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
454
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:13:42 -
[56] - Quote
Morganta wrote:I don't like it
I feel its a kick in the nards to the players who bought, won, were gifted, paid LP for ships.
ships not SKINS
Perhaps they don't collect things in Iceland, other than money and Bjork albums, but I'm not sure they or many players on the forum realize what you do when you screw with someones collection.
I hear both sides of the argument and have to agree that players had a reasonable expectation that something they owned was theirs until they lost or disposed of it. as folks have already pointed out some ships never got flown, they were bling, status, meta.
so in the cases where what was a special edition ship or LP skin it should retain the same characteristics of the original, good till lost, no timer BS just to sell or recover more AUR
future skins? sure whatever, ships we skinned and bought previously? no, same characteristics even if its a worse deal (not permanent) that makes them feel like they are more precious
hell if CCP did that in the first place I could overlook having to reskin the few ships I have
I think sometimes CCP forgets the amount of time we've invested in this terrible game
I think CCP was really clear that the previous set up was a pilot program only, it was right in the dev blog at the time. So anyone trying to speculate or imply permanency from that without any change in mechanics was due for a deserved disappointment. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
454
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:16:24 -
[57] - Quote
Varrgas Arthurus wrote:Thank a lot CCP for taking my Blood Raider prophecy.
Before i can play with and do my mission when i want, and have a nice skin. Now i have to pay around 35M each 30 days to be able to play with the blood raider Prophecy.
Why ? because MR CCP said that like this.
Then why the Police SKIN isn't 30 day limited too ?
Thanks a lot for ****** us like that. I have Payed for a Blood raider Prophecy without time limitation, i want this back !
You just break all personal ship collection .
1. The Police skin was bought with AUR not a drop in game.
2. The previous system was always represented as a pilot program subject to change. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
3162
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:43:51 -
[58] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I know what we can call players who have it all up in their HEADS that SKINs are so important.
Someone has totally missed the point, probably didn't have a nice exotic ship collection either. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1082
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:45:25 -
[59] - Quote
Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.
skins go on ships, and don't get locked away in a broom closet
@ChainsawPlankto
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1082
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Posted - 2015.04.29 19:46:20 -
[60] - Quote
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:1. The Police skin was bought with AUR not a drop in game.
2. The previous system was always represented as a pilot program subject to change.
police skin is a concord LP store item
and 2. yea the previous system was something of a clunky beta.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1427
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Posted - 2015.04.29 20:42:39 -
[61] - Quote
Nalia White wrote:yeah it really baffles me that they didn't handle skins like blueprints with a number of uses on them... even the permanent ones...
ccp must have a longterm plan because this **** makes no sense at all in the current state...
personaly i don't give a **** about skins but yeah, it's stupid :) The reason I think is pretty obvious. The current system seems designed to eliminate any factor that would keep you from using a skinned ship in a way you wouldn't an unskinned ship. By making the investment for a skin a single permanent expense we are able to actually treat them like the ships the go on should be treated, largely cheap, disposable workhorses and welp fodder, while still keeping the skinning a viable and sustainable option.
Needing to replenish upon loss walks us right back into hangar ship spinning being the primary use for skinned ships. This same issue applies to the timed skins. People being reluctant to undock them or being cautious with them reduces value over time as they are never lost and demand never refreshes.
All of this combines to make accusations of greed rather odd as CCP has demonstrated willingness to allow their cash skin market to saturate and whither over time save new players in the game while taking steps to preserve the in game drop market that doesn't necessarily help their real world bottom line. |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4394
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Posted - 2015.04.29 21:03:40 -
[62] - Quote
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:skins go on ships, and don't get locked away in a broom closet Not necessarily so, as there's no way to currently uninstall an activated SKIN. So once you install any of the Auber-rare and Auber-expensive SKINs, there's no market value/resale.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1427
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Posted - 2015.04.29 21:13:42 -
[63] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:skins go on ships, and don't get locked away in a broom closet Not necessarily so, as there's no way to currently uninstall a permanent activated SKIN. So once you install any of the uber-rare and uber-expensive SKINs, it's mated to that character for the indefinite future. The surest way to ensure your SKINs continue to increase in both rarity and value is to in fact lock them away in a broom closet. Skins yes, ships no. Thus now if you want the skin for it's use you have that luxury rather than being effectively mandated to only having it as a hangar queen. Grated once you do so the isk value of the skin itself is lost forever, but while it's a decision that can't be undone, it's also a decision which allows greater use than the prior system allowed. |
Bonezay
Networth INC. Limitless Redux
3
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Posted - 2015.04.29 22:18:46 -
[64] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I know what we can call players who have it all up in their HEADS that SKINs are so important.
I see what you did there! |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
1020
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Posted - 2015.04.29 23:35:39 -
[65] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:That was more a case of massive amounts of time and money had been dedicated to developing a feature that added no value to the game, was comically incomplete, negatively affected the performance of the game and you couldn't turn it off. Pricing of the NEX store was dumb because it indicated the massive disconnect between CCP and the player base.
Riots ensued because players were outraged because CCP had squandered their money developing things nobody cared about and not even doing it well while totally disregarding massive problems with existing features and failing to even care about what the players had to say about it.
In other words, EvE players turned out to be exactly the same bunch of whiny, self-absorbed, entitled, brats that we accuse the players of all other MMOs of being.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Asura Vajrarupa
Scope Works
53
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:04:08 -
[66] - Quote
Bachari Tanner wrote:how come everyone went so mad over ccp with micro transactions before but now this is in everyones like 'yep, give skins, take money'.
Simple:
Players want ship oriented stuff. It was never about the clothes being over priced, or Incarna being a train wreck. It was about focus not being on ships. CCP's only mistake was in thinking our characters were the Barbies we wanted to dress up. Turns out our barbies are actually the space ships. Now that they know this, expect Malibu Dominix soon.
Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1658
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Posted - 2015.04.30 01:47:34 -
[67] - Quote
All the skins I actually like (read serpentis) ended up as 30 day. =( I guess I get three months of serpentis catalysts before I never see them again.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
385
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Posted - 2015.04.30 02:54:22 -
[68] - Quote
Glathull wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:That was more a case of massive amounts of time and money had been dedicated to developing a feature that added no value to the game, was comically incomplete, negatively affected the performance of the game and you couldn't turn it off. Pricing of the NEX store was dumb because it indicated the massive disconnect between CCP and the player base.
Riots ensued because players were outraged because CCP had squandered their money developing things nobody cared about and not even doing it well while totally disregarding massive problems with existing features and failing to even care about what the players had to say about it. In other words, EvE players turned out to be exactly the same bunch of whiny, self-absorbed, entitled, brats that we accuse the players of all other MMOs of being. No, the issue was CCP spent over a year making a system of no added value to gameplay at all. Now this would have been fine, except that's ALL THEY DID. During that time there was virtually no additions or improvements to gameplay. THAT is what pissed everyone off.
Now this time, they again added SKIN's, of no real gameplay value, but it's not the Only thing they have been doing the past few months. There's been lots of fixes, new features, balances, etc. We might not agree with all the changes, but no one can argue CCP was just working on vanity and ignoring the actual game like they did last time. |
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
58
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Posted - 2015.04.30 04:44:57 -
[69] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I really dislike that my previously permanent, unusual faction ship skins have now become a pointless temporary thing. I generally don't get gow.time limited ship skins are meant to make sense at all.
It is a hint from CCP that EvE is a pvp game full of risk. Your ship should not live beyond its 30th days birthday. |
Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:08:50 -
[70] - Quote
Why do you think they don't sell you the bowling shoes? Thinkaboutit.
I survived Win95
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Rich Uncle PennyBags
EVE Online Monopoly
191
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:14:43 -
[71] - Quote
For people who didn't read the devblog.
Skins that are obtained by item drops from NPCs are 30 days.
This is to keep supply/demand for those skins.
None of the skins you can buy have a time limit.
"Skin blueprints that drop in game will become time-limited SKINs that last 30 days once activated." http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ship-customization-time-to-show-some-skin/
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1021
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:32:57 -
[72] - Quote
DaReaper wrote: Its actually more complicated then this.
You had an enivorment where a **** storm was brewing. It was not one single factor. Because honestly, if things had not come together at that time there would of been no riots (i keep pointing this.. i think i just need to write a blog post or some crap and just link it)
Anyway, i was semi here and semi not at that time, wife had my son, so i researched most of this, which you know kids these days have issues doing i guess.
The riots had more going on then the monicles, MT, and $1k pants. These were just, as stated icing. You had the following factors:
1) Incarnia, which took about 3-5 years to build (first shown at ff07 came out in 11) it was described as one way for years, and if you look up the ambulation project it was amazing. Unfortunatly, what we got was a half assed feature that melted video cards and did not really add anything to eve. This would of been fine, and people would of been like "whatever" i mean we have delt with half assed features for years (pi, FW, incrusions, pos, constalation sov, dominion sov, etc) all part of old CCP, all half assed as they moved on to new shiney. So this alone we would of moved off from.
But add in...
2) Overly expensive microtranactions for stuff that has no cool factor. Sure some people can play space barbie if they want, and that was all fine and dandy. The $70 monicles would not of been an issue, none of incarnia or NES would of been an issue... but then you add in the next set...
3) The stagnation and half assedness of a lot of eve features. As i said, 5 years of devlopment for incarnia, Dust being made, WoD being made. People saw these other things coming, saw incarnia drop and looked at the state of the game and went 'wait... wait.. what?' The last good expantion was apocacryto. Dominon was half assed and broken, the one after (before incarnia) was also broken. Then incarnia drops.. with.. what? no space game play or repairs? Now you start having people questioning CCP path, vision, and wondering with dust coming, and WoD being made.. do we matter anymore?
So these three alone, people would of shurgged. Another ****** incomplete space expnation fine. Incarnia, on its own fine. MT's added after incarnia or on its own, fine. All three? Well now people start wondering WTF is ccp doing ant thinking. Then you add on the final staw...
4) Greed is good. Someone in CCP leaked an internal memo. Supposidly one of many, but this one stated there idea to add gold ammo, new ships that you can only get from NES and for Aurum. Basicly a 'why don;t we go p2w? we can make $$$ lets be greedy' As i said, this alone would not of caused alot of issues. But would of make people question, might of brought on a thread naught, but this and with the monicals, eve negelect, and a ****** expantion... was like throwing a moltiof cocktail on an already dry, ready to burst feild.
All 4... plus ccp not calming things down quickly, and the years of frustration, annoyance, and wondering WTF is ccp doing, caused the player base to explode.
It was not incarnia, mt, greed is good, or neglect... i twas all 4, at once.
Why are people not caring about MT now? because eve, the space game, is getting new stuff. The dev time is not wasted. And its really optional. People felt liked too and cheated in the riots. that was not a good place for ccp to be.
If this had not happened, if ccp had fixed one of the three, we might have WiS complete... but they didn't. And as i said before, i fully believe it is time to finish WiS and make it something. or rip it from the game.
But there ya go.
I don't normally full-quote long posts, but this is the answer why ship skins are acceptable to those of use who rioted. At the time -ú1000 jeans were waved at us as the culmination of years of EvE getting ignored. Alone, it would just have been another instance of CCP not getting it, but everything else combined to provide a perfect storm of CCP neglect, detachment, and obliviousness. It was half-assed, and it was insulting, and wasn't even relevant to any player who wanted to play spaceships. Now skins is space-ship relevant, and it didn't cost us years of neglect to get them - hell, the two biggest issues that people cried out about during the riot, the state of dominion sov and POSes, are being actively worked on right now, alongside skins. So why would we complain, we are getting what the rioters asked for?
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Otso Bakarti
Aliastra Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2015.04.30 09:58:56 -
[73] - Quote
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:$30 freaking Merlin.... lmao
Only thing i can think of is that in 2010 EvE was different. In the years since tons more WoW refugees flooded in. These new-newbros are not the same community that raged in 2010.
If you try to sell $1000 jeans, get laughed and raged at, yet spend the next 5years recruiting WoW refugees into your game then sell $30 Merlins to them, i guess ccp wins You know...it's VERY difficult for me to....umm.... AGREE with you!
I survived Win95
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1021
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Posted - 2015.04.30 10:10:40 -
[74] - Quote
Varrgas Arthurus wrote:Now i have to pay around 35M each 30 days to be able to play with the blood raider Prophecy..
Is that really unreasonable when you think of it though? Prices are probably on the high-side now as speculators are at work, they'll probably settle a bit less in time. Battlecruiser permanent skins run between 1100-4300 AUR, which is between half and one-and-a-half PLEX, so 400-1200 isk or there abouts. So your 30-day skin is really between a 10th to a 40th of what a permanent skin costs. For the same money as a permanent skin you can buy 3 1/2 years of use-time (more if the price drops), and you don't even have to buy that all at once. Probably fair when you think about it.
I'm not saying you don't have a legitimate complaint, owners of the skins pre-conversion has certainly been screwed compared to holders of ones which aren't limited-time, but you win some you lose some, loot-drop skins definitely had to be handled differently to avoid market saturation. Personally, I would have thought a "limited run" skin where "charges" are lost by ship lost would have been the obvious (and more logical) solution. But maybe this just isn't possible in how its been programmed (maybe they can't determine at time of loss what skin you are wearing, so you might end up losing a charge off every limited-run skin for the ship you are flying, even if you aren't in it). |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Natural Selection Initiative
159
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Posted - 2015.04.30 12:10:47 -
[75] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Leannor wrote:Seems to be a desire to make skins a consumable (much like ammo, that you use up and need replacing) to create a continous market.
Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to have that hassle. But hey, guess there's enough people out there that want to pimp their ship every month. You understand that permanent skins exist as well?
Yup. I was replying to the OP, who was tal;king about the temporary skins.
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SHIP
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Varrgas Arthurus
Pain Jambon Beurre et Salade
0
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:03:13 -
[76] - Quote
[quote=Aralyn Cormallen]
Is that really unreasonable when you think of it though? /quote]
Are you blind ? idiot ? never played EvE ? or just never play a game in your life for not understand ?
Before i have nothing to pay, nothing at all untill i have the ship, and now i must pay. Did you think the price will be lower than beffore ? of course not ! because now it is 30 days limited.
Why did i have to pay for something free before ? Why did i have to sufer of speculation now ?
Did you understand what is "Supply and demand" in business ?
Before there is no real problem with this item because there is only some people who are interested with those BC / Destroyer pirate skined ship. And the Skin isn't really easy to farm, so there is many offer on the market. And people who want play with or just have it for collection buyed one and that over, or buy an other if destroyed (that player choise if he want take risk of loosing this ship or not and not interesting in the subject).
But now, 1st, there is not the same offer because all skined ship are now 30Days limited, that make everything different, and 2nd, there is now mush more people interested buy this skin, and not enought for all even if that an in game drop.
So the price will gow again and again like a Quafe megathron, and i doesn't want pay 1B for 30 Day. You can think i am wrong, but take a look of the history price for the ship before the patch, and look the evolution of the SKINs, and the lower offer than before.
30 Day limited Skin are usless, that just like burn money.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1025
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:29:31 -
[77] - Quote
Varrgas Arthurus wrote: Are you blind ? idiot ? never played EvE ? or just never play a game in your life for not understand ?
Ahh, reasoned discourse
Quote: Did you understand what is "Supply and demand" in business ?
...
So the price will gow again and again like a Quafe megathron, and i doesn't want pay 1B for 30 Day. You can think i am wrong, but take a look of the history price for the ship before the patch, and look the evolution of the SKINs, and the lower offer than before.
30 Day limited Skin are usless, that just like burn money.
Seems more so than you do. If 30 day skins are "useless", their market price will drop, then you can stock up in the lull.
As I said, I'm not unsympathetic to your problem, but drop-based skins had to do something different. If they were just made permanent, they would rapidly become not worth wiping your backside on, as supply would eventually outstrip player population. Yes, it does suck for those who like the skin, and one suggestion I would be making in your position is to introduce permanent versions of the same skin purchasable for Aur, so the dedicated guy who wants to forever fly that skin can buy the permanent version, and people who only want to dabble (or don't want the cost of a permanent skin) can trade in the time-limited drops. But just raging at the injustice isn't going to get you anywhere. |
Solecist Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:32:53 -
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Or, like, actually do something and go find them yourself.
People act like they deserve anything ... childish.
If prices bother anyone, you're all free to save your money ... ... or go hunt down the skins yourselves.
Sheesh ... so many brats.
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
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Posted - 2015.04.30 14:55:01 -
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ITT: People not understanding Pirate skin ships are in game drops and not bought with AUR. Also people assuming recent patch prices will remain.
Pirate skins pre Mosaic were cheap. Now, that exact same bpc is now a SKIN that means you can blow up that Blood Raider Coercer a thousand times in a month and that's suddenly a downgrade to you guys? The bpcs used to be cheap because no one gave a **** about them. And once the hype wears off the prices will once again drop and Blood Raider/Serp/whatever fleets will be a novelty again just like they were.
Patch is new, market is unstable, calm your ****.
Edit: Tons of Mordu besieged sites in FW lowsec. Go run them if you want skins. Most locals don't because it's a waste of our time. |
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