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ACESsiggy The Scope 4	Posted - 2011.12.04 23:55:00 - [1] - Quote Valid option, yes?
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 130	Posted - 2011.12.05 00:02:00 - [2] - Quote Why? Ever consider that high end books are a great ISK sink?
ACESsiggy The Scope 4	Posted - 2011.12.05 01:33:00 - [3] - Quote Main obstacle bringing friends to play the game is skill books / combat.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 42	Posted - 2011.12.05 01:46:00 - [4] - Quote That will need some clarification. I don't see the connection.
ACESsiggy The Scope 4	Posted - 2011.12.05 01:48:00 - [5] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: That will need some clarification. I don't see the connection. Must not talk much with mmo players in other cirlces.
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 204	Posted - 2011.12.05 02:10:00 - [6] - Quote skill books for new players are dirt cheap buy them for your friends you cheapskate
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1892	Posted - 2011.12.05 02:48:00 - [7] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Main obstacle bringing friends to play the game is skill books. How? Quote: Valid option, yes? No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Jenn Makanen Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 90	Posted - 2011.12.05 03:22:00 - [8] - Quote Never run into a skillbook I couldn't afford, which was of use to me. Sure, there are really expensive ones. But if you need a skillbook for equipment, the equipment will probably set you back more.
Fedimart Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2011.12.05 03:24:00 - [9] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Valid option, yes? Umm how about we just say we did and don't.
Klask Atriund Kindred Rising 7	Posted - 2011.12.05 03:35:00 - [10] - Quote The price of the skill books are affecting your friends choice or the way the skill system works? Because the books are relatively easy to buy as you progress through the game

CausticS0da Viziam Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.12.05 07:43:00 - [11] - Quote Get out
Lord Calus Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline. 5	Posted - 2011.12.05 14:13:00 - [12] - Quote I could see removing the books, and having to be at a certain medical station to "install" the knowledge into your brain. Would make it a little less frustrating than navigating the market interface we have to deal with now. But like the saing goes, "If it ain't broke someone will try to fix it".
Lady Spank GET OUT NASTY FACE 297	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:19:00 - [13] - Quote I don't check out the skills subforum very much but I see it's full of the same idiots we have elsewhere. Might check back again in 2013. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ Get Out, Nasty Face ~ (a¦á_a¦â) Signature edited. Navigator.
Kesshisan 69	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:21:00 - [14] - Quote Lord Calus wrote: I could see removing the books, and having to be at a certain medical station to "install" the knowledge into your brain. Would make it a little less frustrating than navigating the market interface we have to deal with now. But like the saing goes, "If it ain't broke someone will try to fix it". I'd rather have portable skill books which I can take with me into wormholes, null sec, and non-contiguous high sec islands. Not everybody lives in contiguous high sec. .
Shivus Tao Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 98	Posted - 2011.12.05 21:57:00 - [15] - Quote Kesshisan wrote: Lord Calus wrote: I could see removing the books, and having to be at a certain medical station to "install" the knowledge into your brain. Would make it a little less frustrating than navigating the market interface we have to deal with now. But like the saing goes, "If it ain't broke someone will try to fix it". I'd rather have portable skill books which I can take with me into wormholes, null sec, and non-contiguous high sec islands. Not everybody lives in contiguous high sec. And this is a game feature. If everywhere was as accessable as high sec, everywhere would be highsec. People who live in wormholes do so knowing they're mostly cut off from civilization. People who live in high sec islands do so knowing they have to man up and trek through empty lowsec to get back to market hubs. People who live in nulsec do so knowing they live on the frontier, but they have alliance mates to help in forging an existance on that frontier.
Lord Calus Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline. 5	Posted - 2011.12.05 22:04:00 - [16] - Quote Don't think I ever once mentioned having to be in High Sec .... there are still medical stations in 0.0 you can update a clone in right? I mean .... leaving HS is scary. /sarcasm. I don't care either way if they stay or go. Having an addition to the medical interface directly paying to shove the skill in would be less tedious than searching the markets for books is all I am saying. Keep the books and give us a new way if you want. At current the system isn't broken, but I am sure someone will try and find a way to complicate or break it.
Not A Vampire Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.12.05 22:07:00 - [17] - Quote The only significantly expensive skills are entirely irrelevant to newbs without isk. IDGI
ACESsiggy VC Academy 4	Posted - 2011.12.06 02:57:00 - [18] - Quote haha some funny comments but I wasn't referring to skill books and the costs associated with it -- but rather just training for things which is an endless ...... ........... ............. .. . . . .. . . . . . . .. . .. .. . . < fill free to fill in the blank :) Why should a player that has played for a year NOT be able to fly every ship? +training in eve vs leveling and having a sense of game balance.
ACESsiggy VC Academy 4	Posted - 2011.12.06 03:00:00 - [19] - Quote Tippia wrote: ACESsiggy wrote: Main obstacle bringing friends to play the game is skill books. How? Quote: Valid option, yes? No. Do you have trouble reading what people have typed and then formulating a response to it rather than breaking down each sentence? I've noticed on the forums you do that quite often .... A.D.D maybe?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 1933	Posted - 2011.12.06 04:47:00 - [20] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Do you have trouble reading what people have typed and then formulating a response to it rather than breaking down each sentence? No. Do you have trouble answering simple questions? Such as: how are skill books an obstacle (much less the main obstacle) to bringing friends to play the game? Quote: Why should a player that has played for a year NOT be able to fly every ship? To keep people playing for longer. To force people to choose between the many options available. To create variety. To create some amount of reliance on others. etc. etc. etc. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.

Nika Dekaia 11	Posted - 2011.12.06 17:27:00 - [21] - Quote If you and your friends like grinding, then go grind some ISK and buy a high SP char off the market. You can do many things with just a few days of training (missions, mining, scanning, PvP, etc.) Will you be more effective with better skills? Most likely. Will the activity change/be more fun with more skills? No. If you can't find something you like doing with low SP, you will most likely not find it with 100mil SP as well. I for one prefer actually doing in a game what I like doing instead of having to grind some stupid stuff just to progress.
Xolve Insomniacs. 95	Posted - 2011.12.06 19:21:00 - [22] - Quote No. No. No and No. If your friends don't like the skill book system, have them play something else. The training in EvE is unique and presents quite a bit of mystery when scaling up would be opponents; and consistently gives you a reward for taking the time to master certain aspects of the game. Sure theres a point when you first start where you are actually limited by your skills, but 3 months into the game, thats not really so much of an issue anymore, and you can play to your chosen adaptation of game play to your hearts content with continued mastery. There is no instant gratification here, and if there was; most of us wouldn't be here. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
Mashie Saldana Veto. Veto Corp 108	Posted - 2011.12.06 20:42:00 - [23] - Quote Eve doesn't really start until you reach 100m SP, true story. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica
Rakk Andedare Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.07 19:00:00 - [24] - Quote I know im going to get butchered saying this, but im going to say it anyway. Consider this. EvE online, in the real world (to avoid any confusion), is a business. As a business they need to make a profit to survive. The way they have found to do that is to generate revenue from reoccurring subscriptions. But how do you keep a subscription reoccurring in a game that has really no end content? Skill books were their answer. They are a tool for CCP to keep subscriptions running and thus keep revenue flowing into their coffers. That is why skill training is done in REAL TIME (also note, that only one character per account can train a skill at any one time). It keeps you playing and in anticipation of the next best thing that the skill offers and thus continue to pay for your subscription. ItGÇÖs like a narcotic. It keeps you hooked. It is how CCP survives as a business, and quite frankly I have to hand it to them, they found a great way to achieve that (I actually envy it as a business model). Take the skill books out and you GÇ£killGÇ¥ the companyGÇÖs mode of generating revenue. As such, I would suspect that CCP is in no real hurry to change up how skills are accomplished in this game.
Kimmiy Kimasre University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.12.11 22:16:00 - [25] - Quote As far as I can tell, the skill queue is actually one of the fastest progressing features of the game. The really epic battles and economic "scams" that make headlines and draw new players are all months, or even years, in planning. Sure, you can go run some missions, gank in high sec, or play the markets for a quick thrill, but you don't really get far doing those things in the grand scheme of EVE, and none of those make for the sort of youtube videos that recruit new players.
Maeste Madeveda The Spawning Pool Team Liquid 0	Posted - 2011.12.12 22:33:00 - [26] - Quote Kimmiy Kimasre wrote: As far as I can tell, the skill queue is actually one of the fastest progressing features of the game. The really epic battles and economic "scams" that make headlines and draw new players are all months, or even years, in planning. Sure, you can go run some missions, gank in high sec, or play the markets for a quick thrill, but you don't really get far doing those things in the grand scheme of EVE, and none of those make for the sort of youtube videos that recruit new players. I beg to differ. It totally depends on who your friends are. If you have none as a beginner, you will find the game to be a pain in the ass. If you do have friends however, you can make nice things very swiftly. Including low/null sex roam.
Demonfuge Malevolent Energy Core 1 V.I.R.A.L. 4	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:30:00 - [27] - Quote The only thing about skillbooks I'd abolish is injecting them. I get bored waiting for the blender to finish so I can juice myself up with liquified skillbook.
Salcon Cliff Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.12.13 17:54:00 - [28] - Quote Quote: haha some funny comments but I wasn't referring to skill books and the costs associated with it -- but rather just training for things which is an endless ...... ........... ............. .. . . . .. . . . . . . .. . .. .. . . < fill free to fill in the blank :) Why should a player that has played for a year NOT be able to fly every ship? LOL, this discussion had much more merit when it was about skill books and not the skill system (as indicated above). Yes, lets change the basic premise of Eve, because some people can't enjoy the alternative MMO format....
Jack Cavanaugh Mechanical Eagles Inc. The Ancients. 2	Posted - 2011.12.14 17:58:00 - [29] - Quote A new player can make about 15M ISK alone from tutorial missions and the starter epic arc. A smart player plays with friends or finds a good corp that can help out too. I've got a 6 month+ skill plan right now that's only going to cost me roughly 4M ISK in skill books. I know it sounds crazy...but I think if I really buckle down I may be able to absorb 4M ISK over a 6 month period of time.
J Kunjeh 81	Posted - 2011.12.15 02:28:00 - [30] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Valid option, yes? Rehashed, stupid idea, no? "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á



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