haha some funny comments but I wasn't referring to skill books and the costs associated with it -- but rather just training for things which is an endless ...... ........... ............. .. . . . .. . . . . . . .. . .. .. . . < fill free to fill in the blank :)

Why should a player that has played for a year NOT be able to fly every ship?


+training in eve vs leveling and having a sense of game balance.

Why should a player that has played for a year NOT be able to fly every ship?

Skill books in a fictional universe where you are able to have clones for when you die and jump clones to move your consciousness around the universe at a moments notice as well as having cybernetic implants to modify your brain is just plain faggotry in itself.

Talk about a first rate MMO that can't even get the simple things right. CCP is supposedly concerned with immersion and giving the user an experience, yeah right. Get rid of skill books and just switch it to another system like downloading the information into yourself from a repository of knowledge that you would have to buy from concord or the race your toon is from making special skills from others races downloadable at a higher cost than your own race.

What you should really do is get rid of skill training times that are simply disgusting or get rid of skill training altogether. I'd rather pay 10x more for stuff than to never be able to train everything in the game in under 3 years.

Get rid of skill books and just switch it to another system like downloading the information into yourself from a repository of knowledge that you would have to buy from concord or the race your toon is from making special skills from others races downloadable at a higher cost than your own race.

What you should really do is get rid of skill training times that are simply disgusting or get rid of skill training altogether. I'd rather pay 10x more for stuff than to never be able to train everything in the game in under 3 years.

Why?

Ever consider that high end books are a great ISK sink?

removing skill books =/= removing cost from skills.

how about buying them from the skill ui?

My issue here is that I'd like to do more with my character, I don't want X number of alternate accounts because you can't train more than one toon on one account at a time, really I don't want a bunch of toons to begin with. It'd be nice to be able to train on one toon and be able to do more on said toon. Which brings me back to skill training times. Its ridiculous to think that someone is going to want to play the game for more than a decade to have a really well trained toon and *still* have barely scratched the surface of what you can train and max out. I think skill training times should be cut in half, possibly more.

To think that just because a few things in the game irk me that I should find another game is really small minded of you. I'm sure there are things in life that irk you, by your own logic maybe life isn't for you? Suicide gank yourself and get it over with.

removing skill books =/= removing cost from skills.

how about buying them from the skill ui?

No.

Do you have trouble answering simple questions?
Such as: how are skill books an obstacle (much less the main obstacle) to bringing friends to play the game?
To keep people playing for longer. To force people to choose between the many options available. To create variety. To create some amount of reliance on others. etc. etc. etc.

Main obstacle bringing friends to play the game is skill books.

Must not talk much with mmo players in other cirlces.

Main obstacle bringing friends to play the game is skill books.

Some of them, maybe, since they're pretty much always available 3 systems away anywayGǪ

GǪbut a lot of skill books only exist because players put them on the market, or import them, or are such critical decisions that being able to intercept them and/or resell them makes for some pretty significant game play. You could probably split this down the middle, though: books with a value of <10M (random number) are available for download through your neocom; everything else has to be picked up at the dealer's.

Must not talk much with mmo players in other cirlces.

I like EVE just fine. Every game has its flaws and surely not every aspect of every game will suit everyone 100%.

I'm glad someone can be specialized and train specifically for one specific thing for six months and be better than someone else. I would hope that would be so. I'd be pretty pissed if someone who trained up for mining and refining for six months could beat me in pvp in a purely skilled based scenario when I trained for the same time to fly say a hurricane with best skills in that same time period.

My issue here is that I'd like to do more with my character, I don't want X number of alternate accounts because you can't train more than one toon on one account at a time, really I don't want a bunch of toons to begin with. It'd be nice to be able to train on one toon and be able to do more on said toon. Which brings me back to skill training times. Its ridiculous to think that someone is going to want to play the game for more than a decade to have a really well trained toon and *still* have barely scratched the surface of what you can train and max out. I think skill training times should be cut in half, possibly more.

To think that just because a few things in the game irk me that I should find another game is really small minded of you. I'm sure there are things in life that irk you, by your own logic maybe life isn't for you? Suicide gank yourself and get it over with. A forum is a place to debate ideas and speak on the subject matter, not your own uninformed extrapolations about someones life and what they should do with it when it is clearly off topic.

tl;dr - I think skill training should be shorter. I'd like to do more with my singular toon. This game is big enough and dynamic enough that I'm not going to get bored just because I can train skills faster. Skill training is definitely not something that is keeping me around in this game, its the community and the game universe.

I know im going to get butchered saying this, but im going to say it anyway.

Consider this. EvE online, in the real world (to avoid any confusion), is a business. As a business they need to make a profit to survive. The way they have found to do that is to generate revenue from reoccurring subscriptions. But how do you keep a subscription reoccurring in a game that has really no end content? Skill books were their answer. They are a tool for CCP to keep subscriptions running and thus keep revenue flowing into their coffers. That is why skill training is done in REAL TIME (also note, that only one character per account can train a skill at any one time). It keeps you playing and in anticipation of the next best thing that the skill offers and thus continue to pay for your subscription. ItGÇÖs like a narcotic. It keeps you hooked. It is how CCP survives as a business, and quite frankly I have to hand it to them, they found a great way to achieve that (I actually envy it as a business model). Take the skill books out and you GÇ£killGÇ¥ the companyGÇÖs mode of generating revenue. As such, I would suspect that CCP is in no real hurry to change up how skills are accomplished in this game.

Why should a player that has played for a year NOT be able to fly every ship?

It is a deliberate game design that it would take over 100 years to train every skill in eve because an entire community of completely able individuals would completely destroy the nature of gameplay experienced within EVE.