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Aquarius Andomer Space Ants 0	Posted - 2015.04.30 08:48:53 - [1] - Quote o7 all, That's my first month in Eve flown by and am loving every moment of it so far! I was wondering if you folks might help feed my curiosity, I'm definitely going down the PvP path and would really appreciate some incite. I was hoping you might link your favorite PvP ship and setup, I'm not looking for the "Best" or "Biggest Hitting" but more your personal favorite that you use when you want some fun. If you could also show any info that might be helpful (HP? DPS? Did you start by stacking Resistance or what role were you thinking about when you made it?) that would be be great! Many, Many thanks for anyone who takes the time to post, I'd be great to see where peoples heads are at with regards to PvP.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 524	Posted - 2015.04.30 09:43:10 - [2] - Quote I'm just wondering if the pun was intentional?
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 465	Posted - 2015.04.30 09:59:34 - [3] - Quote one of my favourites is a rail harpy for solo stuff, kites really well as it can pull range pretty well against most things, 187dps Harpy High: 150mm Railgun II 150mm Railgun II 150mm Railgun II 150mm Railgun II Mid: Limited 1NM Micro Warpdrive Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor Lows: Magnetic Field Stabalizer II Magnetic Field Stabalizer II Co-Processor II Rigs: Small Anti EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I And a brawling jaguar Jaguar 210dps em resists on these ships are madness so pretty good setup, the tracking disruptor works to pull kiters into range High: 200mm Autocannon II 200mm Autocannon II 200mm Autocannon II Small Energy Neutraizer II Mid: Large Shield Extender II Warp Scrambler II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I Limited 1nm Afterburner I Low: Gyrostabalizer II Gyrostabalizer II Tracking enhancer II Co-Processor II Rigs: Small Ancillary Current Router II Anti EM Screen Reinforcer EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 3640	Posted - 2015.04.30 10:14:07 - [4] - Quote [Nereus, Derp Wagon] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II 10MN Afterburner II X5 Prototype Engine Enervator X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Medium Transverse Bulkhead I Medium Transverse Bulkhead I Medium Transverse Bulkhead I Hobgoblin II x3 Hobgoblin II x3 Theorycrafted around Christmas time, first tested a couple days ago. Disastrous, and yet successful in it's mission (making me giggle). "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9555	Posted - 2015.04.30 10:24:40 - [5] - Quote Lol battle nerus , love it. Here's my ishkur fit. It's supposed to be flown with halo implants so it's as hard to hit as a drone . Literally find the biggest thing you can, get under it's guns and go to town. Excellent for flipping mission bears. It's sloooooooow as all hell but generally speaking the type of game you're after will be slower. [Ishkur, Ralph King-Griffin's Ishkur] Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster II,Navy Cap Booster 150 Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Light Neutron Blaster II,Void S Light Neutron Blaster II,Void S Light Neutron Blaster II,Void S Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Anti-Explosive Pump II Warrior II x4 Hobgoblin II x4 Lords.Of.Midnight now recruiting Steamy hot small gang action is waiting for you.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3814	Posted - 2015.04.30 10:37:27 - [6] - Quote Melter Merlin Dmg Control II Mag Field Stab II x2 1MN AB II X5 web x2 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster Light Ion Blaster II x3, preferably Void, Fed Navy Antimatter (tracking) and Null (range) when necessary Anti-EM, Thermal and Kinetic Screen Reinforcers I Works best against scram kiting frigates (frigs with AB/Web/Scram). Works bad against anything with an MWD, though. Approach, dual web, blap. Easy! No point/scram, but if you apply damage well (i.e. get close fast, but then try not to move too much to improve tracking) most things melt very quickly! Bonus points if you manage your repper dangerously, to keep them interested and not thinking about gtfo until it's too late. Enjoy! Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Tialano Utrigas Running with Dogs Stella Nova 93	Posted - 2015.04.30 10:45:30 - [7] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Melter Merlin Dmg Control II Mag Field Stab II x2 1MN AB II X5 web x2 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster Light Ion Blaster II x3, preferably Void, Fed Navy Antimatter (tracking) and Null (range) when necessary Anti-EM, Thermal and Kinetic Screen Reinforcers I Works best against scram kiting frigates (frigs with AB/Web/Scram). Works bad against anything with an MWD, though. Approach, dual web, blap. Easy! No point/scram, but if you apply damage well (i.e. get close fast, but then try not to move too much to improve tracking) most things melt very quickly! Bonus points if you manage your repper dangerously, to keep them interested and not thinking about gtfo until it's too late. Enjoy! Surely the dual webs mean anything you get will insta warp out?
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 3643	Posted - 2015.04.30 10:51:42 - [8] - Quote Tialano Utrigas wrote: Surely the dual webs mean anything you get will insta warp out? Assuming the target is paying close attention, yes. Thing is though, almost every PVP fit has a scram/disruptor (with good reason), so people kind of assume they're pointed once engaged, hell I've been 'honor pointed' before and only noticed at the last second. It's a gamble, but can be an effective one, especially in FW frigate pew pew, fights don't last long, it's easy to miss things when you've got 'the shakes'. "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3815	Posted - 2015.04.30 10:52:32 - [9] - Quote Tialano Utrigas wrote: Surely the dual webs mean anything you get will insta warp out? Gully Alex Foyle wrote: No point/scram, but if you apply damage well most things melt very quickly! Bonus points if you manage your repper dangerously, to keep them interested and not thinking about gtfo until it's too late. Yes, sometimes people warp out, sometimes they don't. Theory =/= internet space reality. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Cymek Agamemnon Application Denied Get off my mom 6	Posted - 2015.04.30 12:50:41 - [10] - Quote I'm curious I often see people recommend new players take some T1 frigates out to go fight to learn PvP but can you ever hope to actually kill something with those? Or is it just about seeing what you can accomplish before being blown up (which happens in a couple seconds in a T1 frigate)?
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2284	Posted - 2015.04.30 12:54:09 - [11] - Quote It depends on the specific situation. If I'm bored I like to sit around in a buffer armor autocannon gnosis. If I need Guo fly though 15 jumps of lowsec to kill some mission running war target armor stratios. Back in the day though I flew an autocannon punisher like an absolute boss.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 664	Posted - 2015.04.30 13:09:39 - [12] - Quote Cymek Agamemnon wrote: I'm curious I often see people recommend new players take some T1 frigates out to go fight to learn PvP but can you ever hope to actually kill something with those? Or is it just about seeing what you can accomplish before being blown up (which happens in a couple seconds in a T1 frigate)? People recommend t1 frigs because they are cheap. Frigs in FW space are NOT cheap though since everyone is bleeding ISK and LP out of their eyes. You'll still see pure t1 fits roaming solo but most people in FW use t2/meta4 eve in their merlins. Also a horde of derptrons will murder any subcap. The moment you see 2/3 atrons on dscan prepare to bugger off because their buddies will be in the next system. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3819	Posted - 2015.04.30 13:12:06 - [13] - Quote Cymek Agamemnon wrote: I'm curious I often see people recommend new players take some T1 frigates out to go fight to learn PvP but can you ever hope to actually kill something with those? Or is it just about seeing what you can accomplish before being blown up (which happens in a couple seconds in a T1 frigate)? Solo, you can kill other T1 frigates, even as a new player if you put some effort into it. You will learn a lot, fast, if you're willing to. Lots of people fly T1 frigs solo in lowsec, especially FW lowsec. Thankfully they're not all linked/drugged vets with implants. In a small T1 frigate gang gang (5-10) you can kill just about any subcap. A T1 cruiser will usually be easier to kill than a command ship, obviously. Depends on the situation. You will learn a lot as well, especially if your fleetmates help you out a bit. Tagging along in a heavy hitting PVP fleet you can naturally get on any kill :), though you won't be contributing much. You'll still learn some basics. The reason we always advise to start PVPing in T1 frigs is because you'll die a lot anyway (and the more you want to learn, the more you need to die). So best to keep it cheap. Also, fast-paced frigate combat is arguably a little harder than fighting in sturdier ships, if you learn to think fast and survive in frigates you'll do well in bigger ships too (though obviously you'll have to learn some other stuff). Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 335	Posted - 2015.04.30 14:36:25 - [14] - Quote There is a reason even vets still fly t1 frigates. They are just lots and lots of fun.... I would emphasis that there is a massive difference with people that can fly their ship properly. And i don't mean in game skills, i mean out of game skills. Position, heat and cap management are all soo important. What to engage also is, but often enough you don't get that choice. Also don't forget that all those amazing fights you see on youtube, there 100 fights that where total fails. In fact fraping and reviewing your fights is a good way to get better. Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 7930	Posted - 2015.04.30 15:23:31 - [15] - Quote (reserving) I'll respond in about 12 hours or so... after work and class. How did you start? The SP System IFW
Ovv Topik Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 710	Posted - 2015.04.30 16:31:23 - [16] - Quote Cymek Agamemnon wrote: I'm curious I often see people recommend new players take some T1 frigates out to go fight to learn PvP but can you ever hope to actually kill something with those? Or is it just about seeing what you can accomplish before being blown up (which happens in a couple seconds in a T1 frigate)? Oh Mate you could not be more wrong! Flying T1 Frigs means you have hardly anything to lose (5-8m ISK) and everything to gain. A well flown T1 Frig will kill many T2 frigs, Faction Frigs, Destroyers and even Cruisers if you know what you can and beat. I'll post this 1v2 from last night, as it could not be more relevant: https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28645409 https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28645408 The first one baited me, in comes the cavalry, and they both ended up going down, which they thought was hilarious. 230m dieing to an 11m T1 Frig. Lesson: DO NOT underestimate the power of the T1 Frig! "Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 337	Posted - 2015.04.30 17:02:57 - [17] - Quote Cymek Agamemnon wrote: I'm curious I often see people recommend new players take some T1 frigates out to go fight to learn PvP but can you ever hope to actually kill something with those? Or is it just about seeing what you can accomplish before being blown up (which happens in a couple seconds in a T1 frigate)? Check zkillboard. My current favorite is a (widely underestimated) T1 frigate. General hint, check people's killboards to get ideas for fits and engagement profiles. I'm my own NPC alt.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 529	Posted - 2015.05.01 01:21:41 - [18] - Quote Cymek Agamemnon wrote: I'm curious I often see people recommend new players take some T1 frigates out to go fight to learn PvP but can you ever hope to actually kill something with those? Or is it just about seeing what you can accomplish before being blown up (which happens in a couple seconds in a T1 frigate)? I'm not a PvPer but just a general note about life and the human experience is that the concept of experience or learning comes from learning from one's "mistakes". You gain more experience thus learn more from a loss than you do a win. There really is no growth potential in an easy win and I'd bet that on a close fight the looser probably learns way more than the winner in most cases. Take a professional ball player and have him go play little league ball for a few months, how much do you think he will learn in that time? Honestly he will probably degrade in that situation and get worse. Now take a very good high school ball player and put him in the major league for a couple months. The kid will probably get his ass handed to him but when it's over and he goes back to high school ball I bet he is a far better player. I understand that most PvPers are in it for the win but like I said you don't learn much from a win and in the beginning you will "learn" a metric **** ton. So might as well get those lessons in cheap ships. Honestly early on it's just about getting those loss mails under your belt. As you get better and understand the game more and have better isk streams you can go out and PvP in expensive ships. You will be able to find your learning experiences by picking fights that you should probably loose but still find a way to win some of them.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out 7931	Posted - 2015.05.01 05:55:13 - [19] - Quote I edited my post above. Bumping thread! How did you start? The SP System IFW
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 595	Posted - 2015.05.01 10:24:03 - [20] - Quote Cymek Agamemnon wrote: I'm curious I often see people recommend new players take some T1 frigates out to go fight to learn PvP but can you ever hope to actually kill something with those? Or is it just about seeing what you can accomplish before being blown up (which happens in a couple seconds in a T1 frigate)? Yes. I'd say the difference between T1 and T2 hulls tilts the outcome of a fight maybe 10% of the time for a reasonably competent pilot. The other 90% of the time, if you'd been in the corresponding T1 hull with a proper fit, the outcome of a given fight would have been the same. The big differences are number of pilots/ships in each party (for obvious reasons) and starting position (who's in their optimal damage application range first is a huge advantage). Having thermodynamics trained and using it ranks above how fancy and expensive your hull is on impacting the outcome of pvp, as well.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1661	Posted - 2015.05.01 12:54:20 - [21] - Quote On the t1 frigate discussion, the maulus and griffin are often the difference between winning and losing a fight in small gang engagements. For me its gotten to the point where I rarely take a fight against a fleet with a griffin if I have less than 5 people. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Daerrol Quantum Singularities Half Massed 139	Posted - 2015.05.01 14:30:10 - [22] - Quote Tristan, RR Small RR Small RR 1mn Afterburner Small Capacitor Booster Scram Drone Damage 200mm Plate Damage Control Trimark trimark Open Rig
Cara Forelli Green Skull LLC 1066	Posted - 2015.05.01 15:49:55 - [23] - Quote Cymek Agamemnon wrote: I'm curious I often see people recommend new players take some T1 frigates out to go fight to learn PvP but can you ever hope to actually kill something with those? Or is it just about seeing what you can accomplish before being blown up (which happens in a couple seconds in a T1 frigate)? Winning solo fights as a new player is all about abusing your strengths. Surprise neuts or EWAR can really throw off even experienced players in expensive ships. Go in with a plan (IE I'm going to use these neuts against cap-intensive ships), figure out what your ideal targets are (blaster and laser boats), and go search them out. When you fail, you'll learn something new (that tormentor had a cap booster so my neuts weren't very effective) and you can use that knowledge to figure out how to win next time (that cap booster means he has no room for a web...so I'll use a fast ship and get under his guns, possibly with a tracking disruptor). The above is a randomly concocted example and if you followed it exactly you'll probably die and learn a different lesson. However, it illustrates the thought process you should have while learning. Eventually you will have enough experience to make a pretty good guess how that enemy incursus is fit and what its strengths and weaknesses are. If you stick to a single frigate for a while and try a variety of fits you'll begin to get a good idea of how it stacks up against other frigs and the best ways to fit it for each situation. Sometimes the answer is don't engage at all - but making this decision comes from experience and loss. You want to make that decision logically (my fit isn't designed to deal with dual-web hookbills) instead of emotionally (ahhh faction frigate! scary!) ergherhdfgh wrote: I understand that most PvPers are in it for the win but like I said you don't learn much from a win and in the beginning you will "learn" a metric ** ton. So might as well get those lessons in cheap ships. Honestly early on it's just about getting those loss mails under your belt. Um just roam with us already. I'm sure Azda will supply you with some sort of silly nonsense fit which turns out to be surprisingly effective. Adventures New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: House Forelli** Titan's Lament
Azda Ja Green Skull LLC 3650	Posted - 2015.05.01 16:00:38 - [24] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: I'm sure Azda will supply you with some sort of silly nonsense fit which turns out to be surprisingly effective. [Vigil, Dual MASB] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50 J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Hobgoblin II x1 [Dragoon, Hurrdurrgoon] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Small Focused Beam Laser II, Aurora S Small Focused Beam Laser II, Aurora S Small Focused Beam Laser II, Aurora S [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I Garde II x1 Curator II x1 Hornet EC-300 x5 [Exequror, Kite] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Large Shield Extender II 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 [Malediction, Dual Rep Brawler] Damage Control II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Small Armor Repairer II 1MN Afterburner II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II All untested. Be my guinea pig erg? Please? "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 532	Posted - 2015.05.02 03:48:22 - [25] - Quote Azda Ja wrote: All untested. Be my guinea pig erg? Please? If those fits are for me I thank you both for your offers and your time. But my not PvPing has nothing to do with being afraid to loose or anything like that. It's just not my thing.

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