Originally by: Darcie Wray

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Jurskjeld

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This is completely idiotic, if CCP does nothing to end this, it's something of a catastrophe for new players in particular.

Every day, I help out new players, sometimes I also gang with them to help them out with missions. To lay the field open for bloody stupid gankers who like to prey on newbs and/or those not aware of the 14,200 different ways one can become ganked, is dumb. CCP, please, do something with this for Kali.

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Its really easy to help a newbie without any risk if you are a forum ***** like myself and therefor know all the 60694 ways players can exploit game mechanics and therefore know all the ways to avoid these exploits.

Just create the gang yourself, have the newbie warp to his mission, and then warp to him.

By the way, the gankers don't target "newbs"(eventhough, even in the very case that this thread is speaking of a good intentioned noob in a normal tech1 raven warped in to try to help the victim of the exploit and got killed by concord and was looted for his efforts) they target people with billions in faction and officer equipment, although thats not the point. The point is that now that the gankers use alts who ACT like noobs therefore anyone trying to help noobs out with missions, whether he knows of this specific exploit or not, will be really paranoid and might not even do it, for fear of being scammed somehow by dodgy game mechanics. The only way these people are "newbies" is if they're eBayers, which I must admit has nothing to do with this, but ebaying is evil and people that have tons of isk but dont know how to exploit this game inside and out MUST have gotten it by ebaying, right???, therefore I'll just throw out the buzz word of the month (which is ebayers) just to win some points for me and my friend Lofty.

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Fixed.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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Yes, we must spell it out for the people that are too ignorant to understand that if a gang member is at war, you are at risk. Obviously that warning means that if you are in a gang over 24 hours you'll get a warning when your gang mates war kicks in.



Come on, do you really have to have the game spell everything out for you?

More importantly, don't you realize that when you join someone elses gang... you are putting them in control of your fate to a large degree? Did this never occur to you? You think it's wise to let a noob determine where and when you warp?

I swear to god, if you need the game to hold your hand on mattes of common sense... nevermind, you'll figure out what I was going to say.

I don't approve of this tactic, but your own laziness and lack of common sense got you ganked.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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2 years old and hiding out in a Noob corp for a month is a bit... lame.

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Originally by: lofty29

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Originally by: Hellspawn01

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The part that 2 corps at war can be in the same gang is the problem.

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If by that you mean that say, I can join my warring alt's gang, warp to the guy then bbq him, you are wrong. If I join the gang, gang rules override war rules, thus giving me concordokken.

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Originally by: Khemul Zula

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Those saying this is an exploit have no valid arguement. CCP said it isn't an exploit. CCP created the game. CCP creates the laws of the game. If CCP says it is not an exploit it is not whether you think they are wrong or not.

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Originally by: Khemul Zula

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As for the original topic. This may be considered lame (I personally like it...go lofty! ) but consider a few things. A noob asking for help doesn't need a ****ed officer fitted faction battleship coming to their help! A noob shouldn't be forming the gang since they probably don't know how to get you to warp them in the first place. So the solution is simple. Form the gang so you don't have to explain gang mechanics half the time and don't bring a faction BS to a level 1 or level 2 mission.

Oh and don't gang with people under 14 days. I know people are gonna yell "But it's a multiplayer game" or "We're just being nice!" but you hurt them more then help them by doing the mission for them. They need advice, not some two year old char in a faction battleship who wants to show off by nuking the entire mission in a few shots.

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Originally by: Matori Kar

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No-one in this gang is currently in a corporation that is at war.
However, be aware that if a fellow gang member's corporation does go to war with other corporations you become vulnerable to attack by members of those corporations. You do not have the right to attack those parties unless they attack you first.

NOTE: Attacking members of your gang is not a CONCORD
sanctioned activity and may result in security status loss and a police response.

Ther you go, its a legit tactic..

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Originally by: Deitre Cibrus

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Originally by: Ashley Stellia

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Originally by: Deitre Cibrus

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Lofty-related posts always make my day.
Mad Scot, honestly, why would you even accept an unknown empire gang request?

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Its not like he was running missions and a gang request sudedenly popped up unannounced and he clicked YES out of ignorance. A new player politely asked for help with a mission and he decided to sacrifice some of his time the help the fellow out. Little did he know that there was some twisted and convulted way of turning a simple freindly assistance into a gank squad that took 2.5b isk in assets away from him.

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He could've noticed that another player joined the gang.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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I simply find it hard to believe that he could not make the logical assumption that the warning also means if anyone new enters the gang the same rules apply.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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This is a silly and pointless rehashing of issues resolved long ago.

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Originally by: Ranger 1

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My point is that ganging with someone, regardless of where you are, has ALWAYS been dangerous. That gangleader now has control over who can join the gang, where you are warped to, warping to you where ever you are.

This is not the sort of control that anyone should give away without thought.

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Originally by: lofty29

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Originally by: Hellspawn01

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What is the purpose of the possibility to shoot ppl inside your gang that you are not at war with?

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STILL he doesnt get it

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