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Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.05 17:32:00 - [1] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 05/11/2006 17:35:48 Have you guys completely forgotten how to pirate? I RARELY kill people at gates. I lose more to stabs, and now that will change. Furthermore if you want to kill people nothing it stopping you from killing them when they jump through a gate. They will still be 15km from the gate when they jump through. Frankly I see the people who are bothered by this the most as the least skilled of PvPers. If you are that scared to engage people on planets and belts then perhaps you SHOULD go play WoW. Furthermore, with the ability to jump 0km to the gate, more people will have the courage to actually go to low sec. Thus populating low sec more. As I said in a previous thread, the #1 reason I hear from people for not going to low sec is "I don't have instas". If you really want to gate camp that badly then go to 0.0 with an interdictor. Frankly I think you just want to kill people with no challange. Fine, thats your choice to make in EVE, but don't complain when they make it harder for you. EDIT: Oh and don't forget that if a person aggresses you and then jumps to the station/gate at 0km they still won't be able to jump through or dock. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.05 20:56:00 - [2] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 05/11/2006 20:57:31 Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 05/11/2006 17:35:48 If you are that scared to engage people on planets and belts then perhaps you SHOULD go play WoW. I think I lost several years off my life reading that. Seriously, it's harder and more dangerous to engage people at gates by like 10 times. If people ever actually went to belts when there was a Pirate in system, who weren't noobs or being bait, then your point might make sense. It's harder and more dangerous? Are you absurd? When you are solo camping a gate at close range then yes there is a lot of risk and it is difficult. However that is uncommon. You will mostly see a large mass of ships at close range or at long range. Your experience in EVE PvP is obviously very limited for you to actually think that large gatecamping blobs are risky to be in. Maybe you should try solo belt pirating and jumping in on a belt and killing twice your number? "If people ever actually went to belts when there was a Pirate in system, who weren't noobs or being bait, then your point might make sense." I have done nothing but belt piracy in all my time in EVE and I have over 2000 kills to show for it. Guess my point makes sense after all. Frankly if all the gatecampers just quit or stopped camping then EVE would be a much better place. Perhaps this change will force all the unskilled gatecampers to actually go out into the systems they camp and hunt. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.05 21:05:00 - [3] Originally by: Plaetean It's going to make our jobs a lot harder, a lot harder. Travelling through low sec will be so much safer, insta to stations or gates any time you see anything remotely threatening (which in itself will eliminate the whole point of 'low' security). IMO it's a bit of a cop out to the problem of bookmarks. Will make travelling through high sec a hell of a lot easier though Your job shouldn't be easy. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 04:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade I never said anything about 'blob' camping. Then what camping are you refering to? A typical gatecamp killmail usually doesn't fit in a forum post. Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade Your point that you killed 2000 people doesn't disprove the fact that 99% of people at belts are noobs these days, it might have been different, but now thats the way it is. What, did I stop belt hunting all of a sudden? I know what it was like back then and I know what its like now. If you are going into a system not inhabited by a low sec corp then yes, most of the time they're noobs. However you go to a place inhabited by low sec corp and you'll notice that it will have plenty of NON-noob activity. Belts and complexes will be rich and juicy. I didn't make my money from ransoms, I made it from the loot from kills, and I don't get rich off Civilian Railguns. Shop around before making a general statement. Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade Just because you don't like a way of playing EVE, doesn't mean it should be denied, I don't like mining, how about we remove all asteroids from everywhere except 0.0? Thats just what I wanted to hear. Now I say, just because you don't like a feature in EVE doesn't mean it should be denied. Perhaps you will not benifit from this feature, does that mean others won't? A game evolves at it will, you cannot control it, all you can do is decide whether or not you will continue to invest your 15$ into it. If it bothers you so much then perhaps you shouldn't invest. Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade It doesn't work like that, gate camping is a valid way of fighting and always was meant to be, calling people 'scared' and 'unskilled' is just trolling. If you don't to leave your gate blobs or sniping positions and head out into the celestial bodies then you are scared. If you cannot adapt to the changes in EVE then you are unskilled. Trolling or not, thats EVE. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Queen Hades Stuff. Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start. No, he's worse then that. He camps with stabs! More Stabs! Stabs Galore! =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:24:00 - [6] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Queen Hades Stuff. Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start. No, he's worse then that. He camps with stabs! More Stabs! Stabs Galore! Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what... And you see fit to speak on behalf of all pirates and tell everyone what REAL pvp is? =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:35:00 - [7] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/11/2006 21:37:33 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 21:28:41 Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: Lanfear's Bane Originally by: Queen Hades Stuff. Well tiller doesn't snipe for a start. No, he's worse then that. He camps with stabs! More Stabs! Stabs Galore! Fool, I've been camping for the last 3 days in a 5 stab raven. So what... And you see fit to speak on behalf of all pirates and tell everyone what REAL pvp is? This is way off topic. I fit what I feel is right for a given situation and gives me a edge in the type of PVP I'm performing. At the moment I'm targeting only haulers solo in alliance space that responds to gate campers in less than 15mins. Without them I would of lost 5 ravens alone last night. Job well done, mission accomplished. Well you seem to be against anything that gives your victims an edge. Kind of selfish don't you think? Start thinking of the bigger picture rather then just yourself. With Warp to 0km: -Less gatecamps which means more people going into low sec -No more instas which means less lag -Less fear seeing as how everyone then has "instas" -Faster travel -No more copying BMs (ugh) Gatecamping in itself is lame, but doing it with 5 stabs moreso makes it the Invincible Profession. Don't complain just because it just got a whole lot harder. You mentioned that you don't want to hear people saying "adapt or die" since thats what pirates have been doing for 3 years... well frankly get used to it, because thats what we will KEEP doing. You choose to be stubborn and not adapt well then get left behind. Trials like these are what seperate the REAL pirates from the wannabes. EDIT: and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:48:00 - [8] Originally by: PCaBoo I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1. Originally by: Scoundrelus and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. Wheres the argument? =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 21:54:00 - [9] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: PCaBoo I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1. Originally by: Scoundrelus and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. Wheres the argument? There isn't one, this isn't a thread to have a argument. Please go look elsewhere. Thanks Totally agree, this isn't a thread to have an argument. This is a "Everyone should agree with me" thread. Too bad it's not turning out like you expected. So sorry. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:00:00 - [10] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: tiller Originally by: Scoundrelus Originally by: PCaBoo I'd also like to remind you to think about what PvP stands for. Say it out loud a few times, let the words soak in. P - Player, V - versus, P - Player. There are no hidden letters that signify that any of this has to be fair or 1v1. Originally by: Scoundrelus and an explanation of REAL PvP is simply in the name. Player vs Player. Any occasion where 2 players go head to head, whether a gank or not is PvP. Whether there are stabs involved or not. Which is why I'm so adverse to you saying "this will kill PvP" since PvP will always exist in EVE. Wheres the argument? There isn't one, this isn't a thread to have a argument. Please go look elsewhere. Thanks Totally agree, this isn't a thread to have an argument. This is a "Everyone should agree with me" thread. Too bad it's not turning out like you expected. So sorry. go troll somewhere else Quite comfortable here thank you. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:06:00 - [11] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/11/2006 22:07:14 Originally by: tiller 1. The thread was a discussion about warp to 0km from the perspective of a gate camper. Well **, why didn't you say so earlier! This comment: Originally by:** tiller Fellow pirates (if you are not one then plz go away) Made me assume that ALL pirates were welcome to debate here, not just gatecampers. Well then in THAT case, from the perspective of a gatecamper this sucks ass! Which is why it's so great for the rest of EVE. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:13:00 - [12] Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/11/2006 22:18:20 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 06/11/2006 22:11:19 Originally by: Scoundrelus Edited by: Scoundrelus on 06/11/2006 22:07:14 Originally by: tiller 1. The thread was a discussion about warp to 0km from the perspective of a gate camper. Well **, why didn't you say so earlier! This comment: Originally by:** tiller Fellow pirates (if you are not one then plz go away) Made me assume that ALL pirates were welcome to debate here, not just gatecampers. Well then in THAT case, from the perspective of a gatecamper this sucks ass! Which is why it's so great for the rest of EVE. That is sooooooooo off topic m8. Are we now going to discuss the meaning of the word Pirate. Most PVP in eve is at gates, thats why it's relevant. (in fact those who PVP at a gate are in effect a GATECAMPER.) O M F G How is that off topic? I just said that from the perspective of a gatecamper this sucks. Did you not ask for opinions from that perspective? And I'm not your "mate". Go mate with some other guy. Furthermore, you don't know where most EVE PvP is as you do not partake in most of it. You have the credentials to make such a claim when 51% of EVE's killmails have "Tiller" written somewhere on them. AND your wrong about the whole gatecamper thing. Gate: Something you go through. Camper: Someone who sits in an area for a long time. (From a MMORPG perspective of course) So ta-da! Put em together and you get: Someone who sits at something you go through for a long time. I've chased people to gates and killed them before. Doesn't make me a gatecamper. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 22:19:00 - [13] Originally by: tiller I welcomed all pirates to the thread. Others are not welcome as I gave up with that long ago in gen discussion. Constant thread derailment and smack. In fact... much like you are doing to this thread now. Well, I'm back to game.. being some kind of keyboard warrior is not my style. Feel free to derail the thread and further drag it down to your level. Stabs fitted - Check Hauler in overview - Check Fireworks - You bet Ahh happy days. Now I am King of this Thread. BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH! =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.06 23:11:00 - [14] So then in conclusion, lets dumb it down and say CCP has given everyone free insta's. Instead of all this pointless bickering. I for one welcome my new set of instas to all regions. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:05:00 - [15] I think I heard of Morris dancing once on The Black Adder, but I have no idea what flower pressing is. =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.08 19:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Scoundrelus I think I heard of Morris dancing once on The Black Adder, but I have no idea what flower pressing is. But I learnt it from you. Your technique is flawless. The way you try the flowers and put them, pressed, in a plastic paperthin sheet. Someday YOU shall be the master young Grasshoppa =============================================== We are Watching You.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.10 01:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Boudro Non pirate here (Sorry Scoundrelus) This isn't my thread. =============================================== We are Watching You.

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