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Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.05 21:45:00 - [1] Warp to 0 is a solution to the IMMENSE lag imposed by BILLIONS of bookmarks in the game. Were this suggestion to be employed people would simply keep their instas and nothing would change. If you want to secure your space use a warp bubble. If you have too much space to secure with bubbles then claim less space. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.05 21:53:00 - [2] Edited by: Rells on 05/11/2006 21:55:05 Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 05/11/2006 21:48:17 Originally by: Rells Warp to 0 is a solution to the IMMENSE lag imposed by BILLIONS of bookmarks in the game. Were this suggestion to be employed people would simply keep their instas and nothing would change. If you want to secure your space use a warp bubble. If you have too much space to secure with bubbles then claim less space. Read my EDIT. I suggest destroy the whole insatnt bm idea. Warp to 0 will be only option to insatnt warp. You destroy the instajump BMs AND prohibit warping to 0 then lag will radically go down as people will leave the game in droves. DOnt know why? I tell you what .. fly egbinger to E02-IK to Khabi any prime time play time without instas. You will have about a 95% chance of dieing. This has been discussed ad-nauseum in the forums. Your arguments are not new or creative but a dead horse that has been beaten severly enough to turn it into a puddle of biological goo. The empire bound people are always asking "why not just remove instas" and anyone that flys in 0.0 routinely rolls their eyes at the ignorance of it all. In empire instas are a conveninece, in lowsec they are helpful, in 0.0 they are absolutely necessary for survival. Poeple arent going to oput up with a warp bubble on every 0.0 gate without any work on the part of people there. If you want to stop people, get out an interdictor or a mobile warp disruptor. Achoring 3 and propulsion jamming 2 are pathetically easy to get. CCP has hated instas for years. If they thought they could just remove them without blasting their revenue and subscriptions to hell, they would have done so long ago. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.05 22:16:00 - [3] Well CCP has evaluated this very statment from dozens of other people and has found that it would cause thousands to quit the game. It would be in essence having a warp bubble on every gate unless you actually had enough money to claim soverignty and defend that soverignty. Thus making alliances far more powerful than they already are. As for your protestations of my incompetence, that is a laugh and a half. I have been playing the game ssince beta off and on and your "ide" has come up HUNDREDS of times. If CCP liked it and thought it wouldnt impact their revenue model, they would have done it long ago. Your idea is poorly thought out. You didnt consider the fact that interdictors would be rendered pointless as would mobile warp disruptors. You didnt consider then that this would encourage blobbing even worse because the only way you could move through 0.0 is to have a bigger blob than the other guy. You didnt consider the thousands of systems in 0.0 which are not claimed and have no reason to be claimed because their resources are pathetic. You didnt consider the requirements of fueling that many large POS installations to fuel yur route to empire. You didnt consider that impact on ice prices and macrominers. You didnt consider anything except your own "dislike" of the idea. Warp to 0 does 2 things. 1)preserves the status quo and 2) Makes instas irrelevant thus reducing pressur on the server. The only people changed by instas are newbies that dont know any better and older players that usually learn the hard way at the hands of a pure pvp corp. I guarantee if you warp to 15 with an agony gang around and without more force than we have, you WILL die. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.05 22:32:00 - [4] LOL .. I just realized im talking with a 7 month old scan alt. Seven months in the game only with SWA. Post with your main. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.05 22:43:00 - [5] Posting with a scan alt 4TL. I post with my main. Have the balls to post with yours. Originally by: Lirt And by powerful what do you mean except that maybe they make more money that empire people? Everyone, even enemies of alliance can enter its space and go hunt or mine or whatever in a desolated system. Thus making money like alliance players. I mean a small group of 100 or 200 players can claim entire regions. That is entirely too much power. All they need is soverignty in the choke systems or on the pipe and you need a fleet of battleships to get in or out alive. They would have essentially a permanent interdictor bubble on the chokes, need to camp only one or 2 systems and sieze multiple regions. Alliances should be forced to pare down what they "claim" not scale it up. Originally by: Lirt When game changes like this otehr thigns change too, like interdictors that maybe get increased probe distance. Desolate systems dont even have to have sov, only travel route needs sov and most of these systems have sov, and maybe thats a reason to get sov despite the resources you mention that are worthless. No point ot giving interdictors increased probe distance except to screw up the game. Lets say we let them scramble to 40 km. One interdictor can fly on MWD, get no closer than 40km and scramble entire fleets? That isnt that balanced is it. Furthermore stoppign someone 20km off the gate is quite far enough to both web them and kill them in time -- no need for more delay unless you are criminally incompetent. If anything making the bubble go to 40 km means none of your small ships like assault ships, destroyers or tech 1 frigs would even get a shot off, not to mention it would render close range weapons so much scrap. Do you think about these things before you suggest them? Originally by: Lirt You keep saying that this change will help servers when i say to you to completely remove instants which will do same thing. Finally you can say whatever you want and sure you have the right to believe that your corp is uber duper and kills everyone but that doesnt mean its true, only thing it proves is that you are no better than some people who talk more and act less. Even if i own everyone i wont come screaming it on forums. The fact is that warp to 0 changes virtually nothing in the game. It nerfs long distance sniping pirates like s****dly and tundragon and other people that sit at 200km and snipe and use an alt to collect the loot but other than that, it has virtually no effect on gameplay as every competent 0.0er is loaded to the gills with instas. We copy about 50k of them a month for our members. The only real change warp to 0 gives is the ability to have the server not burried under the load of instas. As for my corp, we are fairly well known for what we do and good at it. The fact that I said you would die if you hit an agony gang at 15km from the gate isnt bragging. Its simply stating the obvious. If you think its different for any other competent pvp corp you are wrong. Agony has trained well over 1000 pvp pilots and have alliances that have accounts with us to train all their people. So we do know what we are doing. Originally by:** Lirt But anyway seeing that noone else posts on the topic i guess noone likes my idea. I didnt make the post to get invloved in an endless argument with you or someone else, i wanted a discussion. Feel free to answer but if noone cares no reason for me to post any more, i dont like endless forum flame wars. Maybe my idea sux or maybe most people love easy mode.Thats why easy games are so popular.... You are simply wrong. It is nothing personal. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:26:00 - [6] Originally by: Luric Vizjier Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO I agree with Rells ^^ all of the above. Warp to 0 will be fine and improve gameplay as well as (crosses fingers) get rid of the horrible lag we encounter each day. TBH, this is the fix everyone has been wanting. We're getting rid of the lag. And Lirt, Having sovereignty over space is very different from 'controlling' space. If you want to control the flow of people in and out of YOUR systems, setup a bubble. Should be great fun for you. I hate posting twice on a thread in such a short span of time, but the spin some comments like the above have in them is incredible. This quote is basically saying "warp to 0 will decrease lag" which is completely incorrect. The truth is getting rid of bookmarks will decrease lag. CCP could easily keep the "warp to" distance at the more than reasonable 15km, hell 10km wouldn't even be all that bad. Anyone can avoid combat if they are smart, but not even giving a chance of it is ridiculous. Next thing you know, people will be asking for clones not to cost any money and asking for super-deluxe ship replacement insurance. Grow up. As stated before, CCP knows ** well that if they simply dropped bookmarks and put an implicit bubble on every gate in 0.0 they would loose a good percentage of the players of this game. Oveur has stated numerous times that he hates instas. Dont you think he would have dropped them by now if he thought it was financially viable? The entire game is balanced around instas and you cant simply remove them Anyone who thinks you can should take a walk through 0.0 without instas and get educated quickly. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?**
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:37:00 - [7] Edited by: Rells on 06/11/2006 09:37:16 so attack them elsewhere or use a bubble. Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.07 22:58:00 - [8] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/11/2006 12:56:42 Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 06/11/2006 09:37:16 so attack them elsewhere or use a bubble. Dude, you can't put up bubbles in low sec, and you want us pirates to attack them in Jita or something when we are outlaws?. And when we are in a low sec system with a ** load of high sec systems around, then there is not much other places we can go after them. So sit on the gate, be prepared to tank the guns and risk retribution from other players. Not that hard. Oh wait .. you dont want to do that. You want to be able to snipe while aligned 200km out using an alt to pick up the gear. That is cowardice. Now you will have to actually risk retribution for what you do. Tragic Isnt it time you learned how to fight back?**

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