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The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:25:00 - [31] Pathetic. -------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:32:00 - [32] Quote: Of course, actions speak louder than words, but do they speak the truth? In this case, I think not. \|Begin Propaganda\| Members of alliances whose leaders tell lies with a straight face and don't take them to task for doing so have no business speaking about truth. I say this with all my Pirates of the Burning Sea, basement dwelling, social unproductive, node hacking honesty. Those who vocally disagree with ANZAC ALLIANCE's decision have made impassioned speeches alluding to honour in the battle between good and evil. I think it's too much drama, and too little sensibility. All ANZAC have done was to decide to stop hating BoB. The detractors didn't like this because they wanted to continue hating BoB. What price did they have to pay for doing so? Nothing. I can go all "We are the BoB. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated." on this (perhaps I have), but in all honesty, aside from acknowledging the authority of BoB in the systems we have already conquered, fees to use facilities that we already own, and perhaps a tax to use complexes, they can stop hating BoB and move on to more productive things. In return they no longer have to cover their own expenses as they fight a war mismanaged by an alliance leadership that is nowhere to be found. Why would they continue on fighting for an alliance whose leadership don't even want to fight for? ASCN likes to paint pictures of BoB as exploitative overlords that wage wars and burn resources that were generated by slave corporations or alliances. Fat landlords that produce nothing and yet are sustained by the toil of abused entities. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, I can go all Freudian and say that ASCN's projecting the less glamorous side of their alliance to BoB as indicated by the things ASCN's own members send to us. Few people might remember, but BoB used to be nomads roaming EVE, never settling in one place for too long. The only reason why we keep some systems now is because capital construction facilities cannot be moved without using DEV powers. If it were possible, we'd keep moving, but the DEVs wanted to tie us down (shakes fist). BoB produces everything it uses through its own methods. The reason why BoB is not known as a major Tech 2 producer is evidence of the fact that we acquire and spend all of what we use through our own work. BoB neither exploits nor coddles the corporations or alliances that live in regions we administer. Why, even CELES in Fountain is permitted to pursue their own goals, even as they continue on the uncertain path between envy or hatred of BoB while they strive to learn how exactly to operate POS that are more complex than F1, F2, F3. It can be said with a somewhat straight face that there is peace and prosperity under the wing of BoB. Those that have not faced the demon hordes of BoB can speak glibly because they do not know the terror. We have tendrils. \|End Propaganda\|
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:38:00 - [33] Edited by: Sharcy on 06/11/2006 07:38:53 Sorry, this is too hard to resist: Originally by: Irimi Nage Congrats! Shoulda gone with my name ideas though :) They must have missed the part in the "BoB Vassal Contract" where it says that they don't get to choose their own name, either... Seriously though, any other name would have been better... Now we have "Knights of the Southerncross" as well as a "Southern Cross Alliance". Not very original, eh? --
Irimi Nage Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:45:00 - [34] Originally by: Sharcy Edited by: Sharcy on 06/11/2006 07:38:53 Sorry, this is too hard to resist: Originally by: Irimi Nage Congrats! Shoulda gone with my name ideas though :) They must have missed the part in the "BoB Vassal Contract" where it says that they don't get to choose their own name, either... Look at my corp history before making yourself look like a bit of a rtard ;) Having said that, I'll talk to Molle about getting that clause written into the "Evil contract of doom". I mean, with virtually free access to regions I'm sure it's written in blood and stuff, so it'd probably fit in nicely. Originally by: Sharcy Seriously though, any other name would have been better... Now we have "Knights of the Southerncross" as well as a "Southern Cross Alliance". Not very original, eh? Agreed. I suggested "Stone the flamin' crows" for the alliance name with [CRIKEY] as the ticker (if it's not taken). Apparently they prefered a ****y name instead :( ---
Forever Free Caldari Antipodean inc.	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:47:00 - [35] Sharcy, TBH alot of Aussies and Kiwis have spilt blood for the Southern Cross mate, from Gallipoli onwards. Southern Cross is the ANZAC's Stars and Stripes mate the one thing truly shared in common with the people from Down Under. If anything the name is a very good one despite a Corp having it. ANZAC's earned the right along time ago to have that as a Symbol.
Irimi Nage Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Forever Free Sharcy, TBH alot of Aussies and Kiwis have spilt blood for the Southern Cross mate, from Gallipoli onwards. Southern Cross is the ANZAC's Stars and Stripes mate the one thing truly shared in common with the people from Down Under. If anything the name is a very good one despite a Corp having it. ANZAC's earned the right along time ago to have that as a Symbol. Dude, this is a game, no need to talk about military stuffs etc... Seriously, they're a corp for people from down under (and that place nearby where the women are free, and the sheep freer), ANZAC is a good shorthand for that. As an alliance they're an alliance for anyone under the southern cross. So it works in that respect. Nothing to do with the military organisation or treaties, regardless of what rooman says. Personally I find the connotations that they're using the name to conjur up some kind of likeness to the ANZAC troops slightly offensive. ---
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:51:00 - [37] more shooty shooty gl and i hope you guys will stick around with bob more and do things better that you did in tribe / ascn :)
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:52:00 - [38] Those, who ran from danger doesnt deserve community respect. You are weak. Go play wow.
Forever Free Caldari Antipodean inc.	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:56:00 - [39] Originally by: Irimi Nage Originally by: Forever Free Sharcy, TBH alot of Aussies and Kiwis have spilt blood for the Southern Cross mate, from Gallipoli onwards. Southern Cross is the ANZAC's Stars and Stripes mate the one thing truly shared in common with the people from Down Under. If anything the name is a very good one despite a Corp having it. ANZAC's earned the right along time ago to have that as a Symbol. Dude, this is a game, no need to talk about military stuffs etc... Seriously, they're a corp for people from down under (and that place nearby where the women are free, and the sheep freer), ANZAC is a good shorthand for that. As an alliance they're an alliance for anyone under the southern cross. So it works in that respect. Nothing to do with the military organisation or treaties, regardless of what rooman says. Personally I find the connotations that they're using the name to conjur up some kind of likeness to the ANZAC troops slightly offensive. Heh, least there are ANZAC biscuts and vegemite.
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Forever Free Sharcy, TBH alot of Aussies and Kiwis have spilt blood for the Southern Cross mate, from Gallipoli onwards. Southern Cross is the ANZAC's Stars and Stripes mate the one thing truly shared in common with the people from Down Under. If anything the name is a very good one despite a Corp having it. ANZAC's earned the right along time ago to have that as a Symbol. I understand all that, but that doesn't make the name original . From an operational standpoint, is it even wise to have an alliance completely centered in one specific timezone? --
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:08:00 - [41] Originally by: Riddlock gl and i hope you guys will stick around with bob more and do things better that you did in tribe / ascn :) Riddlock, I know you're considered one of the top PVPers where you are, same as in Tribe. However I was with Anza when they were in tribe, and I know how hard they used to fight. I know how many ships I sacrificed trying to get other members of the alliance to come do what Anza was already doing. Be proud of your accomplishments, but don't belittle others to try make them seem more impressive than they are.
Schweewee Antipodean inc.	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:16:00 - [42] Well done Shar :) All too many of you are quick to point out other people's failures, while blissfully ignorant of your own. You're also quick to judge with little or no information regarding the matter, jumping on the band-wagon eager to show how angst-ridden you guys are. Take a deep breath, sit down, have a coffee and realise that this is just a game. I for one wish Shar/ANZA/SCA all the best.
Masochist Shinra	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:28:00 - [43] Originally by: Ab Initio Originally by: Riddlock gl and i hope you guys will stick around with bob more and do things better that you did in tribe / ascn :) Riddlock, I know you're considered one of the top PVPers where you are, same as in Tribe. However I was with Anza when they were in tribe, and I know how hard they used to fight. I know how many ships I sacrificed trying to get other members of the alliance to come do what Anza was already doing. Be proud of your accomplishments, but don't belittle others to try make them seem more impressive than they are. Anzac wasn't fighting at all during the Tribe/ASCN war. And if you would look to the killboards from that time you would see. That few (very very few) were actually doing something to ASCN other than dieing.
Aranin Amarr Dragons Of Redemption Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:29:00 - [44] GL with the future guys, and AB initio most of the guys who faught tooth and nail back then arent in anza anymore. still a few good ones but they only care about paragon soul. never the less GL. Signature removed - Filz size too large.Laurelin
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 08:58:00 - [45] Good luck ANZA and good fights. To all the non-involved armchair warriors that think ANZA sold out, I'm curious as to what you'll do in-game about it. ---
Masochist Shinra	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:20:00 - [46] Good luck Anzac. ASCN should not rely too much on the conquer and have motivated pvp'ers method. Neither should BOB (look to the very succesfull CELES and Fountain). Personally i have seen Anzac taking out a hostile carier when they were in Omist. That looked like some dream pvp machine to me. As for fighting ASCN back in the days... There were entities undocking in unfitted BS just to claim the insurance. GL and.....God Speed
Morning Maniac Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2006.11.06 10:23:00 - [47] Grats, just in time for the alliance tournament. Missed opportunity on the names though, how about: Southern Knights In Persuit of Permanent joY [SKIPPY] or Southern Heroes dEserving of Eternal Praise [SHEEP] I'm sure with a bit more brainstorming you could find some real gems. MM http://eve.xonectic.com/forum/(out of game) EVE University commercial
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.06 10:49:00 - [48] Well, good luck I guess. But count this Kiwi out. /Ben How to fix Eve
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 11:24:00 - [49] Tough one. There is no dishonour doing what is right for your corp, and your members. However, switching sides in the middle of a fight leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, which ever way it's dressed up. Anyway, good luck. The sad thing is that I can see the type of pilots you'd want in your corp leaving over this. I know I would. Max --------------------
Father Calistas Antipodean inc.	Posted - 2006.11.06 11:39:00 - [50] Good luck, let us know how things develop.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.06 11:52:00 - [51] Originally by: Max Teranous However, switching sides in the middle of a fight leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, which ever way it's dressed up. Did they set ascn to hostile? I find it hard to believe they will be flying with BOB.. Given the situation in PS, i cant say i would blame them for deciding they could lead themselves better than ASCN HC has managed (and i note you said the same) I think the phrasing is somewhat unfair.. >: )
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.06 12:01:00 - [52] Edited by: Max Teranous on 06/11/2006 12:05:16 Be fair thoth - an ASCN corp leaving, setting BoB to blue and staying in PS will be fighting against ASCN whether they want to or not. To expect anything less would be very shortsighted. If they were sick of ASCN's handling of the war, you look after your corp and leave. Fair play for that. Leaving however does not go hand in hand with swapping sides. IMO of course. Max --------------------
Jiara Castoumi Caldari EVE Galactic Bank	Posted - 2006.11.06 12:08:00 - [53] Originally by: Chienka rabble I find it amusing that a member of an alliance BORN from treatchry is calling others traitors. If you want to call people traitors, look to home first mate, try starting with CYVOK.
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 12:11:00 - [54] Edited by: Goberth Ludwig on 06/11/2006 12:11:51 woah forum black magic - wrong thread oopsey - Gob Originally by: SirMolle ASCN is feeling the cold, chilling tendrils of fear creep into the hearts of their alliance.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.06 12:22:00 - [55] Edited by: Dawn Princess on 06/11/2006 12:22:08 Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Max Teranous However, switching sides in the middle of a fight leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, which ever way it's dressed up. Did they set ascn to hostile? I find it hard to believe they will be flying with BOB.. Given the situation in PS, i cant say i would blame them for deciding they could lead themselves better than ASCN HC has managed (and i note you said the same) I think the phrasing is somewhat unfair.. Lets just make note of the fact that most of the good luck posts in here that are not from an Aussie/Kiwi are from someone in Bob and draw our own conclusions. I have seen too many of these "we slagged you off but now you are beaten we will praise you" posts in the past to fall for this one. We have a few South Pacific chaps in our corp and always happy to consider more, any ANZAC members wanting to stay involved feel free to drop me an evemail
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.06 13:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Max Teranous Edited by: Max Teranous on 06/11/2006 12:05:16 Be fair thoth - an ASCN corp leaving, setting BoB to blue and staying in PS will be fighting against ASCN whether they want to or not. To expect anything less would be very shortsighted. Ah, i didnt realise they intended to remain in PS during the war, getting set to blue by BOB is required to access the stations we control, for example if they wanted to move stuff else where while there is still roaming squads in the area (previously BOB's and i assume ASCN can still form roaming squads) Either way i understand how it has to be represented, and that is not unexpected i guess.. ASCN HC couldnt support anyone openly not accepting their commands anymore >: )
Halca Candy Hearts	Posted - 2006.11.06 13:27:00 - [57] Sheep.
Aman Sul Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 13:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Jiara Castoumi Originally by: Chienka rabble I find it amusing that a member of an alliance BORN from treatchry is calling others traitors. If you want to call people traitors, look to home first mate, try starting with CYVOK. QFT I guess in time people forget. The beginning of ASCN was much as this one. CYVOK wasnÆt to happy with the way XETIC was fighting and cut a deal he felt was best for his corp and a select few. He backstabbed XETIC and left them to die, It seems to have worked out for him, until now. So before you unfurl that banner of honor trust look into the history of your own alliance and stfu. "Let them hate us as long as they fear us"
londo milarie	Posted - 2006.11.06 14:30:00 - [59] The Name ANZAC brings with it the history of mateship and honor of 2 countries whose story of there "birth" lives in history. Having this name, or adopting it, brings a responsibility to those who are involved. If you bear the name with honor there is no problem, betray that trust and you betray the name and all it stands for. Good luck with this step towards your future but make sure that the steps you take are your own. Myself, I shall watch with interest and as I go for a walk on the 11/11 shall wonder what the future holds for you.
Rondeloo ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.06 14:50:00 - [60] Originally by: Max Teranous Edited by: Max Teranous on 06/11/2006 12:05:16 Be fair thoth - an ASCN corp leaving, setting BoB to blue and staying in PS will be fighting against ASCN whether they want to or not. To expect anything less would be very shortsighted. I'm just a grunt, but as far as I know, we're staying out of PS and the war until it's over. As to the tribe war, I think ANZA had left before that started. Might explain why we didn't participate I don't believe anyone was happy about leaving ASCN during the middle of the war and we've lost some good people because of that decision. But, I think most of us (me, at least!) trust our leaders and feel that corp > alliance > rest of EVE. Regardless of everything else, props to our leadership, for setting aside their personal feelings and making a very hard decision for the good of the corp. Interesting times ahead of us anyway

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