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TylerJames Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 13:31:00 - [31] reallivegirl has been told twice in this thread that she cannot post...and she continues to do so. Can you say forum ban?
Black Lotus Caldari D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.11.08 13:32:00 - [32] Thats a really crappy deal. Even if u were an enemy of mine,i still would not approve of such actions ever. ( and u may be, i havnt played for 6months + now, lol). Either way, very honorable of you to replace the losses yourself.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:03:00 - [33] Nicely done. === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Kriger Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Bjoern Bitter Edited by: Bjoern Bitter on 08/11/2006 12:16:42 Edited by: Bjoern Bitter on 08/11/2006 12:15:36 Hello All, I usually refrain from posting here, but I feel this must be reported to any who fight goon (now and in the future). GOON infiltrated my corp, and defeated my screening process. GOON Pilot Name: Lenutza They planned originally to have the infiltrator defuel and offline all the posses in KZFV-4. Since roles are under strict management in DORM, he failed in his mission. So apparently it was decided by his leadership that he should cause as much damage as possible in other ways. He was a cap ship pilot, and gave out the password to a pos during an engagement (JLO): Result - 1x stolen Chimera He also stole the cyno generator ships from the system: Result - I had to smuggle a covert in with generators He then proceeded to steal ships and pos equipment as they were being moved out of system: Result - over 1 billion in assets stolen Immediately after declaring his theft, he convoed several -V- ceos posing as directors alts. He asked for isk to buy 10x Minmatar Towers "for sale cheap in Derelik" - 2 billion total: Result - I gave him nothing (I know all my directors very well) He then posed as directors as other corps and tried to scam them as well: Result - The alliance was warned by me of the scam and he failed to get any isk What did GOON accomplish to hurt the alliance? Nothing. Why? I am personally buying and replacing ALL stolen assets to their owners. I am responsible for allowing Lenutza into my corporation and I will pay the price for his betrayal. His theft is basically forcing me to sell a few ships I can't fly yet to generate the isk I need to purchase the replacements. Spies - I understand the use of these and even use them myself. Thieves - despicable - my corp would never engage in such underhanded tactics. Scams - unbelievable - As far as I know, it is a bannable offense. All convos have been collected and are being reported to CCP. GOON has taught me that they use underhanded and borderline tactics frowned upon by most of Eve. They have lost any respect I once had for them. Their actions have hardened my resolve to see them leave the regions I call my home. GOON have earned themselves yet another enemy as they are now permanently -10 to my corp. Regards, Well this just verifies that RA and GOON fit like hand and glove. Anything goes it seems. Nothing is beneth them . Still remember back when i was in -V-, the RA attempts to crash the -V- TS server was a daily occurence. Some ppl rly need to get a life if they take this _game_ so seriously... .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:17:00 - [35] Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: Bjoern Bitter Not whining at all, just stating what happened and my disgust with that level of gameplay. It sucks to have it happen to you Bjoern, but as Nync stated and has been stated before in other threads -- it has been well known that the coalition used this same tactic on many occasions against RA. In fact, we at the time stated it as another victory against the enemy. Orly? ___________

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Ravsen Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:37:00 - [37] Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 08/11/2006 13:02:54 Originally by: Bjoern Bitter Edited by: Bjoern Bitter on 08/11/2006 12:16:42 stuff So basicly when LV and -V- offlined with the help of a spy RA towers in p7-45v and you bragged about it on forums for ages it was ok and when spy within RUA corp showed you were the savespot with 7 bil worth of poses and fuel was, it's was ok too and you bragged on forumes about it for ages too.And now when same thing happened to you you are crying and whining on forums, well done. Mister Hutch, it was the best way to decribe situation. If you disagree with whats being said please contact me ingame and have a chat with me explaining why. SNIP if you disagree with whats being said please phrase it in a constructive manner. Thanks Hutch As for the offlining of towers in p7- with a spy i dont know .. but the Safespot as you are referring to was found because RA left a hauler and a shuttle at that safespot making it Probable! Thats how we found that SS .. Your mistake .. And .. didn't the GM's move alot of your can's etc in that Deepsafespot in Scalding because it was un probable ? bassicly it was an exploit of you .. so we are not half as bad as you are.. Ohh and the new word for RA+goons+imp is "RED GIMP" ------------------------------------------------ Mess with the best - Die like the rest !
Kaar Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:40:00 - [38] I see nothing wrong with this. I'm not a fan of Goon tactics but this seems rather mild compared to some of their usual stuff. Good job! --- ---
Xanja 2H Industries	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Bjoern Bitter Edited by: Bjoern Bitter on 08/11/2006 12:16:42 Edited by: Bjoern Bitter on 08/11/2006 12:15:36 Hello All, I usually refrain from posting here, but I feel this must be reported to any who fight goon (now and in the future). GOON infiltrated my corp, and defeated my screening process. GOON Pilot Name: Lenutza They planned originally to have the infiltrator defuel and offline all the posses in KZFV-4. Since roles are under strict management in DORM, he failed in his mission. So apparently it was decided by his leadership that he should cause as much damage as possible in other ways. He was a cap ship pilot, and gave out the password to a pos during an engagement (JLO): Result - 1x stolen Chimera He also stole the cyno generator ships from the system: Result - I had to smuggle a covert in with generators He then proceeded to steal ships and pos equipment as they were being moved out of system: Result - over 1 billion in assets stolen Immediately after declaring his theft, he convoed several -V- ceos posing as directors alts. He asked for isk to buy 10x Minmatar Towers "for sale cheap in Derelik" - 2 billion total: Result - I gave him nothing (I know all my directors very well) He then posed as directors as other corps and tried to scam them as well: Result - The alliance was warned by me of the scam and he failed to get any isk What did GOON accomplish to hurt the alliance? Nothing. Why? I am personally buying and replacing ALL stolen assets to their owners. I am responsible for allowing Lenutza into my corporation and I will pay the price for his betrayal. His theft is basically forcing me to sell a few ships I can't fly yet to generate the isk I need to purchase the replacements. Spies - I understand the use of these and even use them myself. Thieves - despicable - my corp would never engage in such underhanded tactics. Scams - unbelievable - As far as I know, it is a bannable offense. All convos have been collected and are being reported to CCP. GOON has taught me that they use underhanded and borderline tactics frowned upon by most of Eve. They have lost any respect I once had for them. Their actions have hardened my resolve to see them leave the regions I call my home. GOON have earned themselves yet another enemy as they are now permanently -10 to my corp. Regards, This is truly terrible. How many months (years?) has this spy been in your corp to be trusted with access to so much valuable stuff? -----------------
Marodi Julita Sublime Investment Fund	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:46:00 - [40] Edited by: Marodi Julita on 08/11/2006 14:47:41 nvm

Sister 9 Phung Hoang Social Club	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:46:00 - [41] you always know when an alliance is going down hill, when their council members start whining about enemy tactics on the forums. i guess what comes around goes and around.
Marodi Alivar SUBLIME L.L.C. Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Bjoern Bitter Scams - unbelievable - As far as I know, it is a bannable offense. All convos have been collected and are being reported to CCP. Scams are allowed. Look at EIB, among other scams and theiving that has happened in the financial market. (bah... wrong character.)
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:52:00 - [43] Recruiting policy ftw - BH
Gibmundur Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:02:00 - [44] I personally would never sink to a low as to lie to someone in eve , i just dont think its worth it, this is just a game after all. But hey thats just me
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:16:00 - [45] This is no virtually different to what happened to the RA pos in cache. It sucks, it's horrible, but it's part of eve. Why exactly were they able to steal a carrier? Was it left floating in space and not in a ship array? [EVE TASK BAR?]
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:26:00 - [46] Hi Pep. Look mom, i'm in Goons thread! --------------------
Treebeard dk M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Komolov Hi Pep. Look mom, i'm in Goons thread! It suits you well young man
arjun Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:59:00 - [48] snip Posting with an unidentified character in this forum is prohibited, if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Eldo Davip ([email protected])
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:13:00 - [49] I have to agree with my awar collegues... this is less an exploit (the POS stuff not the convos) and more a show of streetsmarts (or the eve equivalent) from peeps that were uniformally considered the ultimate n00bs [and still are more often than not]. So good for them. As to you BB good stuff taken responsability for it and paying up. You probably didnt do anything wrong anyway. I am recruitment officer (lol) for AWAR atm and I do 0 screening. I just accept who I like and the heck with it . Spies are sad little creatures that are willing to spend a lot of time to acheive economical game or an "unfair" pvp advantage...They should get something for all their troubles... I couldnt see myself playing in this boring fashion even for 2 carriers per week tbh... Perhaps -v- is becoming too honest these days? Try to recruit some more prats Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:24:00 - [50] Goons have an agressive intelligence program.

Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:24:00 - [51] LV used alts in RA to offline POSs during the advance into Insmother/Cache. It was nothing that would have changed the ultimate outcome and RA hilariously claimed at the time that everything from corrupt GMs to hacks were being used, but none the less LV did have at least one insider who helped with the POS warefare. RA/Goons do many things for which many of them should be banned and despised. Taking advantage of lax recruitment procedures and clever "social engineering" or whatever you want to call it is something that both sides have done and that neither should be particularly ashamed of. - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
wapacz Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:36:00 - [52] The major problem with spys is there is really no in game way to find them out. In real life you could keep track of the person contacts and who, when and what they are saying to them. Of course this can't really be put in the game as privacy concerns happen. Well maybe not seeing who they have convoyed and emailed in a period of time. Really there needs to be a game mechanic that would allow you to possible discover who somebodies alt was. the investigation could only be started by a majority vote of the directors. It would take around 2 weeks to complete and even then not have a 100% chance. Also only one investigation at a time would be possible. The problem is that the only way I could think of making this work fairly would be to have a random chance multiplier between 25 and 100 %. Then at the same time keep track of the person time difference between alts. Say the person is on the main acct all the time and only on the spy a little to make it look like they are around. Well this would lead to a greater chance of being found. aka it would make a spy actually have to work not to get caught. All this extra info caching would cause more db stress and such so it will never happen.
Toyal Wiulaz Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:36:00 - [53] funny thing! It's getting dirty now, i like that ----------------------------------------- I speak QC tabarnak! QC 4tw! :)
Zaphod Jones Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:44:00 - [54] Originally by: Crellion I have to agree with my awar collegues... this is less an exploit (the POS stuff not the convos) and more a show of streetsmarts (or the eve equivalent) from peeps that were uniformally considered the ultimate n00bs [and still are more often than not]. So good for them. As to you BB good stuff taken responsability for it and paying up. You probably didnt do anything wrong anyway. I am recruitment officer (lol) for AWAR atm and I do 0 screening. I just accept who I like and the heck with it . Spies are sad little creatures that are willing to spend a lot of time to acheive economical game or an "unfair" pvp advantage...They should get something for all their troubles... I couldnt see myself playing in this boring fashion even for 2 carriers per week tbh... Perhaps -v- is becoming too honest these days? Try to recruit some more prats can i join awar with my alt and see what you're saying about the rest of the alliance ?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:45:00 - [55] I agree to Zhaine, Crellion etc. and this war won't change it's face magically and become a nice/clean war now. That would be an illusion. So I wasn't really shocked/overly surprised that Goons tried something like that. **** happens, but live goes on. I'm just happy that the original plan failed to offline the poses in KZF. That would have been really evil, but this now is only financial damage. Honourable that Bjoern wants to pay for the damage himself, although it's really difficult to be 100% sure that you don't get a spy into your corp. Warning for the rest of us.
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:54:00 - [56] No war was a clean one in fact....just see the modern war , like in Irak. Guerilla kill many Us soldier in unclean moves like kamikaze attack ...and for the Us army they drop phospor bomb and figth with advance technology weapon against the rebels...no fair move for the two sides anyways, but the two side want victory at all cost and they don't care how many ennemy must die to acheived victory. In fact, the actual move of the Goon its a good one if you follow the logic of War....BECAUSE IN WAR ALL MOVE TO VICTORY ((BAD OR NOT)) ARE A GOOD ONE.Its dont mean I approved their action...but its mean in war been unfair its not a bad thing (; My two cents!
Abandon AllHope Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Goons have an agressive intelligence program. Isn't that an oxymoron?
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Ravsen Originally by: nync Edited by: nync on 08/11/2006 13:02:54 Originally by: Bjoern Bitter Edited by: Bjoern Bitter on 08/11/2006 12:16:42 stuff So basicly when LV and -V- offlined with the help of a spy RA towers in p7-45v and you bragged about it on forums for ages it was ok and when spy within RUA corp showed you were the savespot with 7 bil worth of poses and fuel was, it's was ok too and you bragged on forumes about it for ages too.And now when same thing happened to you you are crying and whining on forums, well done. Mister Hutch, it was the best way to decribe situation. If you disagree with whats being said please contact me ingame and have a chat with me explaining why. SNIP if you disagree with whats being said please phrase it in a constructive manner. Thanks Hutch As for the offlining of towers in p7- with a spy i dont know .. but the Safespot as you are referring to was found because RA left a hauler and a shuttle at that safespot making it Probable! Thats how we found that SS .. Your mistake .. And .. didn't the GM's move alot of your can's etc in that Deepsafespot in Scalding because it was un probable ? bassicly it was an exploit of you .. so we are not half as bad as you are.. Ohh and the new word for RA+goons+imp is "RED GIMP" Mr Ravsen, I can officially confirm that WE NEVER HAD THIS DEEP SAVE SPOT IN SCALDING you are referring too. You can request any GM to check it. Was hilarios to see you bragging about it on eve-o, faked intel 4eva
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:27:00 - [59] Originally by: Kriger ...Still remember back when i was in -V-, the RA attempts to crash the -V- TS server was a daily occurence. Some ppl rly need to get a life if they take this _game_ so seriously... AHAHAHAHAHA, most funny one EVER in this thread, lemme just write it down and send a word to my pocket-slave-DOS-NUKERS to give a go at your TS ahahahahahahah, dude... you're a KILLER :DDDDDD - BH
Hawkings SJ Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:27:00 - [60] I wonder how many people we will see posting how this is deserved/fair/etc in this thread, but then posting about how reprehensible/unfair/lame it is in the AAA thread.



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