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Drethon	Posted - 2006.11.08 12:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Drethon on 08/11/2006 12:18:27 After playing for six months I've decided the way I want my main character to go is trading and manufacturing. Because of that I'm looking into the possibility of creating a second character for PvP but I'm wondering what racial ships would be the most fun to play and still hold my own by fighting intelligently. I like missiles but have a feeling that playing caldari would be like a naval battleship fight with both sides simply trying to out damage each other. I've heard Minmatar is fun to play with the fast ships and artillery interests me for hit and run tactics but the complaints about artillery nerf in Kali concerns me. I don't know much of anything about Amarr ships and their strengths and weaknesses other than you need cap but not ammo for lasers. I've played Gallente with my main and love drones for PvE but I'm not sure I want to use drones for PvP and I'm not sure I'm interested in what I suspect are the rush in and pummel approach of blaster boats. Any suggestions for my on the differences between the various races as far as what is fun to play? Thanks.
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2006.11.08 12:19:00 - [2] Gallente/Minmatar. Im sre youll have fun somewhere between drones-blasters and missiles/autocannons. Caldari arent very good for solo PvP and Amarr are just rediculous at the moment.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.08 12:23:00 - [3] Its a hard question now with Kali coming soon. There will be quite a lot of changes, so the current ideas of what races are good or bad will probably change a bit. But I think you should pick the race that seems to suit your style. Minnie are more about kiting people than going up close in their face. Gallente is more in your face with blasters and drones, but its likely they will have to switch some of the blasters for nosferatu to survive in Kali. Same with Amarr. Because of the added hitpoints to ships. Caldari is really in a class of their own tbh. If you like missiles, then go for them. If you dont, then pick something else. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.11.08 13:12:00 - [4] Minmatars Tempest/Vaga/Sleipnir Gallente Mega/Astarte Amarr Apoc/Geddon/Zealot/Absolution Caldari is not suitable for PvP. And certainly not "fun". The only real PvP ship they have is Scorp. Which will die very quickly having real enemy in front of you. Anyway ECM ships are ot fun for pvp.
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 13:17:00 - [5] Recommend you spend your time training the second character w/ adv learning skills and the universals (spaceship command, etc) and wait until post Kali. Then you'll have a good idea of where you want to go and the means to get there efficiently. Good luck. LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.08 13:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Zixxa Caldari is not suitable for PvP. And certainly not "fun". The only real PvP ship they have is Scorp. Which will die very quickly having real enemy in front of you. Anyway ECM ships are ot fun for pvp. BBUUUULLLLLL... Just because they have a few large ships that are nber at everything but soloing doesn't make then bad PVP ships, Caldari, especially with Kali are going to be the best race for PVP, just need to work in a group (Oh yea, well so does Amarr, and you know what, we keep being told to shut up and work in a group where we're still as effective as crap versus a tank). Last Weeks Signature
RuSBO Amarr SolaR KillerS	Posted - 2006.11.08 13:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Zixxa Minmatars Tempest/Vaga/Sleipnir After Kali - all minmatars - crap ships +Typhoon (good tank) Originally by: Zixxa Gallente Mega/Astarte +Dominix (after Kali - veryvery hard tank\nosfertu ship with angry drones) +Hyperion +Thanatos Good pvp ships with large dronebay Originally by: Zixxa Amarr Apoc/Geddon/Zealot/Absolution All these ships after Kali - just garbage (exept apoc - good mining barge or support ship) +Pilgrim \ Curse ( gang support ship) +Abaddon (sniper only ship) Originally by: Zixxa Caldari is not suitable for PvP. And certainly not "fun". The only real PvP ship they have is Scorp. Which will die very quickly having real enemy in front of you. Anyway ECM ships are ot fun for pvp. ^^^^^- its a rumble After Kali +Raven - great NPC \ Close PVP BS. (tank\damage) +Scorpion - ECM \ ECCM battleship - +Rokh - the best battleship after Kali (sniper\close\tank) __________________ NPC Hunter.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.08 13:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Zixxa Caldari is not suitable for PvP. And certainly not "fun". The only real PvP ship they have is Scorp. Which will die very quickly having real enemy in front of you. Anyway ECM ships are ot fun for pvp. BBUUUULLLLLL... Rule #1 of the Eve forums... dont disagree with Zixxa in public. He will never give up trying to put his point across. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 13:39:00 - [9] I'd say Gallente and Minmatar are the most fun. It's NOT that they've got the best ships or anything like that - playing underdog is often very fun - it's that they've got challenging close range ships. They tend to be difficult to use in comparison to Amarr or Caldari ships - especially compared to Caldari ships which are so easy to use they spoil the experience. Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Zixxa Caldari is not suitable for PvP. And certainly not "fun". The only real PvP ship they have is Scorp. Which will die very quickly having real enemy in front of you. Anyway ECM ships are ot fun for pvp. BBUUUULLLLLL... Rule #1 of the Eve forums... dont disagree with Zixxa in public. He will never give up trying to put his point across. There's a reason why he's been called Detaurus on several occasions, yes. - Am I in the coolest alliance or what?
Tristan J'ior	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:49:00 - [10] Amarr. When you show up, everyone thinks 'piece of cake' and move in for the easy kill. Then, as your looting the remains of their can, they yell 'h4xx0r' or some other barely readable giberish and attempt to report you for doing the unthinkable. Of course, Amarr isn't for everyone. The playstyle alone is more of a 'niche' than anything else. If you like it, and know what your doing, you can seriously screw up other peoples day. They aren't uber, just tough as nails.
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.08 14:55:00 - [11] Gallente or Minnie. Get some nice blaster/drone ships and once the Hurricane comes... --- Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s!
Ramuh BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:01:00 - [12] Coming from one of the most successful PVP corps in EVE, I'd have to disagree with the anti-caldari attitude. I have nearly 40 mil SP and cannot fly a single t2 ship, all I ever fly is a raven. All I ever do is PVP. At the end of the day, the best thing to do is gain a better knowledge of PVP and make your own choices. PVP is not a limited thing like NPC hunting or manufacturing. There are so many tactics and setups that are as yet undiscovered. I can't stress enough how important self-discovery is in PVP.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:06:00 - [13] Originally by: RuSBO Edited by: RuSBO on 08/11/2006 13:37:28 After Kali - all minmatars - crap ships Quote: Tempest is still one of the best. Vaga is the best. Sleipnir is one of the best. Typhoon I forgot to mention. Awesome pvp ship, but tards do not know this. Quote:* Amarr Apoc/Geddon/Zealot/Absolution All these ships after Kali - just garbage (exept apoc - good mining barge or support ship) +Pilgrim \ Curse ( gang support ship) +Abaddon (sniper only ship) You will see Geddon and Apoc in the fleets after Kali. Zealot still be No 2 HAC in the game after Vagabond. Pilgrim and Curse are greatest recons I know. What is wrong with Absolution? Quote: After Kali +Raven - great NPC \ Close PVP BS. (tank\damage) Raven is crap. No dps after Kali. Some tank(absolutely no sense in medsize gangs and above). And no EW after kali, so less usable in hit-and-run. Quote: +Scorpion - ECM \ ECCM battleship - Scorp is not FUN ship. Believe me. And it is SPARE ship. Quote: +Rokh - the best battleship after Kali (sniper\close\tank) It is for Gallente rather, not for native Caldari. But ok, let it be for Caldari. Quote: +Cerberus Please. It is very expensive "cannot-kill-nothing" ship. Mediocre dps, laughful agility and speed. Big hole in the tank. More expensive than Vaga. Quote: +Falcon May be. But I prefer Arazu or Pilgrim for small gangs. Quote: +Nighthawk Pure crap. Any other CS is better, hands down.
Nyobe Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:07:00 - [14] Gallente/Minmatar are fun in pvp if you connect fun with the terms fast-agile-ganking-closerange. Amarr repartoir of pvp ships is a little bit limited and the solo usable pvp ships are more about outlasting the enemy (pilgrim, curse, sacrilege, nos-pulse-geddon, punisher, maller) Caldari are very missle orientated and very efficient in both PvE and PvP. Well not everybody has fun with jamming-misslespamming-wcs pvp.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Ramuh Coming from one of the most successful PVP corps in EVE, I'd have to disagree with the anti-caldari attitude. I have nearly 40 mil SP and cannot fly a single t2 ship, all I ever fly is a raven. All I ever do is PVP. At the end of the day, the best thing to do is gain a better knowledge of PVP and make your own choices. PVP is not a limited thing like NPC hunting or manufacturing. There are so many tactics and setups that are as yet undiscovered. I can't stress enough how important self-discovery is in PVP. We all know that you are great PvP corp. We all know that you are flying raven. We all know that you are successful. Above statements are not compliment, but facts. But BE is small corp. How often you fly in big fleet? BE is excellent coordinated corp with experienced commanders. BE knows everything about Raven due to experience. BE uses EW and WCS to get and realize advantage. After Kali no EW and WCS. So, it is possible to use raven effectively if you are small corporation, but well organized and with good commanders and experienced pilots. I.e. being like Burn Eden. And preferably being backed by EW and WCS.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Aeaus BBUUUULLLLLL... Just because they have a few large ships that are nber at everything but soloing doesn't make then bad PVP ships, Caldari, especially with Kali are going to be the best race for PVP, just need to work in a group (Oh yea, well so does Amarr, and you know what, we keep being told to shut up and work in a group where we're still as effective as crap versus a tank). You do not understand what is PvP now. So, please, get away...
Kristoffer Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:26:00 - [17] I don't get all the minnie whines with Kali. Kali = noswars. You and Caldari are the only races where cap doesn't matter for firing weapons, so your getting off easy. Gallente and Amarr are getting totally screwed over in noswars.
IlIlIIlIlIlIlIIllIIllIlI	Posted - 2006.11.08 15:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Ramuh I can't stress enough how important self-discovery is in PVP. So many people fail to understand this point and simply stick with the publically known "cookie cutter" setups. 90% of setups posted here, even by those in the know, are garbage. I so often see veteran PvP'ers give out setups on these forums while ingame they are known to run something completely different. They're throwing people off their scent on purpose. PvP is all about discovering new things that work, and then when you found something that works for you - keep it hush hush. Like Queens of the Stone Age corp description says - "Practicing "the lost art of keeping a secret" since 2004."
Saundra Fayid	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:09:00 - [19] easiest question ever Minmatar the T1 ships are fast, fun and CHEAP first build a stack of rifters then build a stack of stabbers If you dont like them you can always switch back its not like Frig and cruiser are hard to train.
El Nemico	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:15:00 - [20] I use a raven for pvp I do not use EW I do not use ANY stabs I solo most other BS / T2 cruiser, BC
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.11.08 16:18:00 - [21] I fly Caldari and Minmatar, and I gotta say, Caldari boats are some of the most BORING **** in EVE. If you want a thrilling battle, sitting at 50km and spamming missiles and ECM at a tackler-held target is not the way to go. Now, having stuff like the phoon, stabber/vaga, rupture, and rifter makes life infinitely more fun. Short-range slugfests are a blast, especially if people don't pack webs (sitting at 5km, stopped, is just as bad as sitting at 50km, stopped). ---------------------------- Please don't try to troll in your signature -Eldo([email protected]) I tried?
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:16:00 - [22] Edited by: Crellion on 08/11/2006 17:17:07 Minmatar. Just uber. Score 9/10 Gallente was also very good but wont be after Kali.(blasters anyway, drones are better but meh) Score 6/10 Caldari is cool if others do your dirtwork. Solo they are either (a) a Crow or (b) a joke. Score 4/10 Ammar: Pilgrim is great solo and with gang. Geddon in group is nice. Punisher is second best tech I frig after Rifter. The rest is junk. Score 3/10 There :) Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:44:00 - [23] ahem .. there's no "most fun in PvP" race in EVE .. it all depends on your style of play ... i can't give a answer what you should do ... i can only recommend - try different things out - if you like them ... use them as long they don't bore you ... if they bore you - try something new ... there's nothing you can do wrong ... only thing that is a bit important is patience ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Drethon	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:07:00 - [24] My interest is in having a ship where I can do more than just one tactic. If pure fire power and tank aren't working, try speed or NOS or EW until a tactic is found that works. From the posts here it seems like Minmitar is a good starting place with possibility of branching out from there. Thanks
Axitikus Minmatar Raid and Recon The Imperial Order	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:10:00 - [25] Minmatar and Gallente Minnie because speed = fun Gallente because high-tech shotguns + little shooty-shoot robots = fun hope this answers your question CCP I did a portrait swap 6 months ago! Change my forum avatar!!!!
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Aeaus BBUUUULLLLLL... Just because they have a few large ships that are nber at everything but soloing doesn't make then bad PVP ships, Caldari, especially with Kali are going to be the best race for PVP, just need to work in a group (Oh yea, well so does Amarr, and you know what, we keep being told to shut up and work in a group where we're still as effective as crap versus a tank). You do not understand what is PvP now. So, please, get away... When did I become you? Last Weeks Signature
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:34:00 - [27] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: RuSBO Edited by: RuSBO on 08/11/2006 13:37:28 After Kali - all minmatars - crap ships Quote: Tempest is still one of the best. Vaga is the best. Sleipnir is one of the best. Typhoon I forgot to mention. Awesome pvp ship, but tards do not know this. Quote:* Amarr Apoc/Geddon/Zealot/Absolution All these ships after Kali - just garbage (exept apoc - good mining barge or support ship) +Pilgrim \ Curse ( gang support ship) +Abaddon (sniper only ship) You will see Geddon and Apoc in the fleets after Kali. Zealot still be No 2 HAC in the game after Vagabond. Pilgrim and Curse are greatest recons I know. What is wrong with Absolution? As far as you know? Since when is nosferatu and some tracking disruption so much greater then the other HACs? The Pilgrim and Curse are simply usable recons, the ECM is "total pwnage," and long-range web and scram is nothing to scoff at. Quote: After Kali +Raven - great NPC \ Close PVP BS. (tank\damage) Raven is crap. No dps after Kali. Some tank(absolutely no sense in medsize gangs and above). And no EW after kali, so less usable in hit-and-run. The raven with two BCS IIs does quite a bit of damage after kali. You don't need overpowered javelin torps to pwn. Yes, in the tanking boost patch having a tank makes absolutely no sense? EW after Kali remains, you still got lots of midslots to capitalize on something other then ECM if you want to, or you can fit a passive tank. Quote: +Scorpion - ECM \ ECCM battleship - Scorp is not FUN ship. Believe me. And it is SPARE ship. Believe you I will, scorpion is essential to PVP. Quote: +Rokh - the best battleship after Kali (sniper\close\tank) It is for Gallente rather, not for native Caldari. But ok, let it be for Caldari. Hybrids are the primary Caldari weapon. Quote: +Cerberus Please. It is very expensive "cannot-kill-nothing" ship. Mediocre dps, laughful agility and speed. Big hole in the tank. More expensive than Vaga. Plenty powerful, The Vagabond and Zealot are expensive, I fail to see your point. Can tank like a * and some of us have discovered things called "Photon Scattering Fields," which help us tank. Quote: +Falcon May be. But I prefer Arazu or Pilgrim for small gangs. Your choice. Quote: +Nighthawk Pure crap. Any other CS is better, hands down. Bull , more DPS then a cerebrus after the kali changes and an nber passive or active tank. It's a great CS. Last Weeks Signature
Horza Otho Minmatar Silver Star Federation	Posted - 2006.11.08 18:59:00 - [28] Fun? Minmatar. Easy? Caldari. --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:44:00 - [29] Gallente Blasters .
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.08 21:27:00 - [30] Minmatar and Gallente. The speed and suicidal nuances of up close setups with AC's and Blasters is what makes it all fun. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes

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