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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:20:13 -
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Greetings fellow capsuleers,
For those that are unaware of the latest update regarding the Drifter threat, The Scope today published a recording revealing a sizable Drifter fleet amassing in an unknown part of space.
In response to the release of this recording, the DED has detained several Scope employees, including Gaunia Octeyncaere, Production Manager for The Scope and Lina Ambre, Correspondant for The Scope for questioning under Section 6 of the Interstellar Corporate Espionage Act. The DED statement can be found here
This petition is for the official release of both parties along with the demand that the DED release all known information regarding and related to the Drifters to the general population so that we may use whatever time is left to prepare for any possible conflicts with them.
Both CONCORD, the DED and the four empires have displayed gross neglect for the safety of its citizens by withholding crucial information regarding this threat. The drifters have slowly been scanning our ships, stations and defenses. They have shown considerable offensive power and now we learn that they have amassed a sizable fleet. There is now little doubt that a major conflict will happen soon and it is now time that us capsuleers begin preparations to ensure our survival. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7584
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:22:28 -
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Signed.
Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
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Frenjo Borkstar
Viziam
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:24:25 -
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Signed. I would also like to point out that this is a violation of the Yulai convention to arrest Scope employees, they are simply doing their job, not any form of espionage.
Dr. Frenjo Borkstar,
Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
75
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:29:05 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Signed. I would also like to point out that this is a violation of the Yulai convention to arrest Scope employees, they are simply doing their job, not any form of espionage.
Correct, hence why the DED article is attached, but i shall amend my original statement to include this information as it should probably be there. Thank you Mr. Borkstar |
Euttere Geten
Pathfind
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:30:13 -
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I'm clueless about the law here, but if they're being detained for questioning, there should be some kinda cause. Let's have a charge of some clear break with the espionage act in question to show this isn't just some strongarm tactic.
Let's put it on the table, DED. |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
90
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:36:14 -
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Signed.
Angels...are never far.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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CdoubleOK Cook
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps Forsaken Asylum
0
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:37:48 -
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Signed.
It is time to stand up for ourselves as Capsuleers. The empires can't help us now.
PRAISE PHIL |
Katiya Khadiija
The Juice Factory
8
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:39:00 -
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As far as I know, none of this information was deemed 'classified', so there is no basis for detaining these people. They simply did their jobs and provided the public with information.
Signed. |
Mizhir
Matari Exodus The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:39:40 -
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It is clear that DED is hiding something from us thus putting everyone's life at risk. Their motivation for this coverup is still unknown, but I suspect that they are afraid to lose power. I hope we get to the buttom of this before it is too late.
I had the honour of speaking with Ms. Ambre before the Autopsy broadcast. She is a hardworking journalist and she, along with the rest of the SCOPE, just want important news to be accesable for everyone. She is not a criminal. The people behind this coverup are.
Signed.
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Jake Lanks
The Hornets Cartel
40
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:40:11 -
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Signed...
The DED and Empires hide us the truth...They are the real enemy...
Angels...are never far
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
78
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:41:42 -
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Euttere Geten wrote:I'm clueless about the law here, but if they're being detained for questioning, there should be some kinda cause. Let's have a charge of some clear break with the espionage act in question to show this isn't just some strongarm tactic.
Let's put it on the table, DED.
The DED report states clearly that 'Since the footage remains the property of Eifyr & Co, the Directive Enforcement Department were only in a position to advise on the potential implications of its release through improper channels.' If they were in a position to prevent the release of this footage they would have done so. As far as i can see it, there is no legal precedence here that would enable the DED to legally hold these people without charge. They can conduct all the investigations they want, but until concrete evidence is found that supports their assertion that the ' Interstellar Corporate Espionage Act YC36' was breached, what they are doing now is shutting down freedom of speech. |
Euttere Geten
Pathfind
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:46:56 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:...until concrete evidence is found that supports their assertion that the ' Interstellar Corporate Espionage Act YC36' was breached, what they are doing now is shutting down freedom of speech. Or trying to.
Sounds like they jumped the gun without a case when they should have let Republic Justice and the Federation do their jobs. In either case I agree that the DED has as yet provided no basis for the detention, and so it's unjustified. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1714
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:54:10 -
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Not signed. Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is.
I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant *beep*. |
Natheniel
Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel
0
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Posted - 2015.05.08 17:54:34 -
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Signed, we must prepare for this. |
Kerena Alabel
TerminalDogma Stain Confederation
21
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:02:05 -
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Signed. |
Max Singularity
House Singularity
136
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:03:55 -
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/Signed/
And official Query submitted...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5728585
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
78
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:09:02 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Not signed. Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is.
I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant *beep*.
As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that? |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8090
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:09:53 -
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What if the information they have, can be crucial to know what Drifters plans are? Because they can be. This is critical situation, and in such situations individuals must serve to protect the whole population, if it means revoking or even breaking laws that were reasonable in a stabilised situation, so be it, then they must conform to emergencies applied to them by officials. Not for mere entartainment of them, but for greater good.
Ina light of recent events, I am sure the State will prepare us for what will come. They serve our people. Dont panic.
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Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union Mordus Angels
225
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:10:54 -
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Signed.
The Truth must be known.
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008"
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Maxemillian Caldera
SoleaCorp
2
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:12:24 -
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Signed.
Should we let reporters be arrested for doing their job, how long till more careers are threatened with prison time. |
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Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
112
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:18:17 -
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Signed. CONCORD has no right to do this, and we need to know what's going on. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6957
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:20:31 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that?
The madwoman is not known for anything save her single-minded, frothing hatred of Gallente.
As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence.
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
233
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:25:56 -
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Signed
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8091
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:27:18 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Sahriah BloodStone wrote:
As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that?
The madwoman is not known for anything save her single-minded, frothing hatred of Gallente. As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence.
Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden.
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
79
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:41:40 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:
As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence.
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden.
While i would have generally agreed with your sentiments in the past, the fact here is that CONCORD, the DED and any other groups that had access to this information have done absolutely nothing to prepare for this and have gone so far as to prevent anyone else from doing so. Even if they had, a threat of this magnitude is not something these entities can contain without the unified assistance of not only capsuleers, but of all citizens in New Eden. We have seen the destructive power of the Drifters and we have seen their efforts to scan our defenses, there is some incredibly sketchy leadership going on in the DED if they think the public had no right to know of the giant doomsday wielding armada at their doorstep.
I would even go as far as to speculate that CONCORD and the DED may have been compromised. Capsuleers have been the only ones to stand up to the threat thus-far. Perhaps it is us who should be wielding the power here.
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Jaret Victorian
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:44:57 -
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Signed.
How dare you detain these brave people. They risked their lives to get us what we all deserve - the truth and you arrest them like they are criminals. Our cluster is in danger and you, corporate dogs, dare to conceal the truth. Possibly exploit the knowledge to get another load of money from it. Monetize it, weaponize it. That's what you usually do. That's why people languish and die all over our cluster. Dozens of thousands souls perish each second. Cease to exist. And what are you doing now? Hiding behind your rules and regulations? Behind your fleets? Do the right thing for once. Free these people.
Disgusting.
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
94
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:48:07 -
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Signed.
If DED was sloppy enough to let the Intel leak, it's the fault of DED, not the reporters. Intel like this is generally on a need to know basis. Since we're the ones getting attacked, since it's our crews getting killed, we have a need to know.
BRCE: Mission Statement!
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1714
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:50:35 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Not signed. Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is.
I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant *beep*. As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that? For now Drifters are a mere phantom menace, while Gallentes and Sansha are actual threat and hostile forces, invading and occupying Caldari territory. Fighting Drifters now is the treason against the State and humanity.
Besides, we are now talking not about drifters, but about nosy gallenteans. THEY are the enemy.
And those pseudo-"scientists", who did that autopsy and stole Drifters's body, THEY are the enemies. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8093
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Posted - 2015.05.08 18:51:34 -
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Sahriah BloodStone wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:
As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence.
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden.
While i would have generally agreed with your sentiments in the past, the fact here is that CONCORD, the DED and any other groups that had access to this information have done absolutely nothing to prepare for this and have gone so far as to prevent anyone else from doing so. Even if they had, a threat of this magnitude is not something these entities can contain without the unified assistance of not only capsuleers, but of all citizens in New Eden. We have seen the destructive power of the Drifters and we have seen their efforts to scan our defenses, there is some incredibly sketchy leadership going on in the DED if they think the public had no right to know of the giant doomsday wielding armada at their doorstep. I would even go as far as to speculate that CONCORD and the DED may have been compromised. Capsuleers have been the only ones to stand up to the threat thus-far. Perhaps it is us who should be wielding the power here.
Power? How this power was protecting you from Drifters, when you are attacking them? How many capsuleers don't accept DED and CONCORD advices? Was it really a good for those capsuleers not to respect them? I have a serious doubts.
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
80
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Posted - 2015.05.08 19:21:13 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Power? How this power was protecting you from Drifters, when you are attacking them? How many capsuleers don't accept DED and CONCORD advices? Was it really a good for those capsuleers not to respect them? I have a serious doubts.
Firstly i would like to state that i have never engaged a drifter. I did once chase a circadian sleeper away when it tried to scan me however after it did not reply to hails asking it to cease and desist.
If someone comes into your home and starts going through your draws, your electronic files, scanning your security systems and not replying to any of your attempts to communicate with them, you would feel threatened and violated. The drifters have been doing this en masse in all areas of space, and from the reports i have read, have actively attacked many people.
The power i speak of is the power to act and the right to be privy to critical information related to our survival. Had the DED been more forthcoming with information it may have prevented people from overreacting and starting their own investigations. We have been forced to seek the knowledge for ourselves, and you should be glad there are people out there who did, or we may not even be aware of this fleet on our doorstep.
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