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Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 74	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:20:13 - [1] - Quote Greetings fellow capsuleers, For those that are unaware of the latest update regarding the Drifter threat, The Scope today published a recording revealing a sizable Drifter fleet amassing in an unknown part of space. In response to the release of this recording, the DED has detained several Scope employees, including Gaunia Octeyncaere, Production Manager for The Scope and Lina Ambre, Correspondant for The Scope for questioning under Section 6 of the Interstellar Corporate Espionage Act. The DED statement can be found here This petition is for the official release of both parties along with the demand that the DED release all known information regarding and related to the Drifters to the general population so that we may use whatever time is left to prepare for any possible conflicts with them. Both CONCORD, the DED and the four empires have displayed gross neglect for the safety of its citizens by withholding crucial information regarding this threat. The drifters have slowly been scanning our ships, stations and defenses. They have shown considerable offensive power and now we learn that they have amassed a sizable fleet. There is now little doubt that a major conflict will happen soon and it is now time that us capsuleers begin preparations to ensure our survival.
Saede Riordan Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 7584	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:22:28 - [2] - Quote Signed. Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
Frenjo Borkstar Viziam 64	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:24:25 - [3] - Quote Signed. I would also like to point out that this is a violation of the Yulai convention to arrest Scope employees, they are simply doing their job, not any form of espionage. Dr. Frenjo Borkstar, Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 75	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:29:05 - [4] - Quote Frenjo Borkstar wrote: Signed. I would also like to point out that this is a violation of the Yulai convention to arrest Scope employees, they are simply doing their job, not any form of espionage. Correct, hence why the DED article is attached, but i shall amend my original statement to include this information as it should probably be there. Thank you Mr. Borkstar
Euttere Geten Pathfind 2	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:30:13 - [5] - Quote I'm clueless about the law here, but if they're being detained for questioning, there should be some kinda cause. Let's have a charge of some clear break with the espionage act in question to show this isn't just some strongarm tactic. Let's put it on the table, DED.
Sinjin Mokk Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 90	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:36:14 - [6] - Quote Signed. Angels...are never far. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
CdoubleOK Cook Run and Gun Mercenary Corps Forsaken Asylum 0	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:37:48 - [7] - Quote Signed. It is time to stand up for ourselves as Capsuleers. The empires can't help us now. PRAISE PHIL
Katiya Khadiija The Juice Factory 8	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:39:00 - [8] - Quote As far as I know, none of this information was deemed 'classified', so there is no basis for detaining these people. They simply did their jobs and provided the public with information. Signed.
Mizhir Matari Exodus The Camel Empire 74347	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:39:40 - [9] - Quote It is clear that DED is hiding something from us thus putting everyone's life at risk. Their motivation for this coverup is still unknown, but I suspect that they are afraid to lose power. I hope we get to the buttom of this before it is too late. I had the honour of speaking with Ms. Ambre before the Autopsy broadcast. She is a hardworking journalist and she, along with the rest of the SCOPE, just want important news to be accesable for everyone. She is not a criminal. The people behind this coverup are. Signed. One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Jake Lanks The Hornets Cartel 40	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:40:11 - [10] - Quote Signed... The DED and Empires hide us the truth...They are the real enemy... Angels...are never far
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 78	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:41:42 - [11] - Quote Euttere Geten wrote: I'm clueless about the law here, but if they're being detained for questioning, there should be some kinda cause. Let's have a charge of some clear break with the espionage act in question to show this isn't just some strongarm tactic. Let's put it on the table, DED. The DED report states clearly that 'Since the footage remains the property of Eifyr & Co, the Directive Enforcement Department were only in a position to advise on the potential implications of its release through improper channels.' If they were in a position to prevent the release of this footage they would have done so. As far as i can see it, there is no legal precedence here that would enable the DED to legally hold these people without charge. They can conduct all the investigations they want, but until concrete evidence is found that supports their assertion that the ' Interstellar Corporate Espionage Act YC36' was breached, what they are doing now is shutting down freedom of speech.
Euttere Geten Pathfind 2	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:46:56 - [12] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: ...until concrete evidence is found that supports their assertion that the ' Interstellar Corporate Espionage Act YC36' was breached, what they are doing now is shutting down freedom of speech. Or trying to. Sounds like they jumped the gun without a case when they should have let Republic Justice and the Federation do their jobs. In either case I agree that the DED has as yet provided no basis for the detention, and so it's unjustified.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1714	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:54:10 - [13] - Quote Not signed. Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is. I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant beep.
Natheniel Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel 0	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:54:34 - [14] - Quote Signed, we must prepare for this.
Kerena Alabel TerminalDogma Stain Confederation 21	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:02:05 - [15] - Quote Signed.
Max Singularity House Singularity 136	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:03:55 - [16] - Quote /Signed/ And official Query submitted... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5728585 Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden -First of his name- ((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 78	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:09:02 - [17] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Not signed. Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is. I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant beep. As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that?
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 8090	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:09:53 - [18] - Quote What if the information they have, can be crucial to know what Drifters plans are? Because they can be. This is critical situation, and in such situations individuals must serve to protect the whole population, if it means revoking or even breaking laws that were reasonable in a stabilised situation, so be it, then they must conform to emergencies applied to them by officials. Not for mere entartainment of them, but for greater good. Ina light of recent events, I am sure the State will prepare us for what will come. They serve our people. Dont panic. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Ransu Asanari Powder and Ball Alchemists Union Mordus Angels 225	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:10:54 - [19] - Quote Signed. The Truth must be known. Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008"
Maxemillian Caldera SoleaCorp 2	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:12:24 - [20] - Quote Signed. Should we let reporters be arrested for doing their job, how long till more careers are threatened with prison time.
Cakzad Arcashiri Arcashiri Family 112	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:18:17 - [21] - Quote Signed. CONCORD has no right to do this, and we need to know what's going on.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 6957	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:20:31 - [22] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that? The madwoman is not known for anything save her single-minded, frothing hatred of Gallente. As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Utari Onzo 13. Enigma Project 233	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:25:56 - [23] - Quote Signed New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita 13. is recruiting
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 8091	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:27:18 - [24] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Sahriah BloodStone wrote: As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that? The madwoman is not known for anything save her single-minded, frothing hatred of Gallente. As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence. Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 79	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:41:40 - [25] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence. Bagrat Skalski wrote: Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden. While i would have generally agreed with your sentiments in the past, the fact here is that CONCORD, the DED and any other groups that had access to this information have done absolutely nothing to prepare for this and have gone so far as to prevent anyone else from doing so. Even if they had, a threat of this magnitude is not something these entities can contain without the unified assistance of not only capsuleers, but of all citizens in New Eden. We have seen the destructive power of the Drifters and we have seen their efforts to scan our defenses, there is some incredibly sketchy leadership going on in the DED if they think the public had no right to know of the giant doomsday wielding armada at their doorstep. I would even go as far as to speculate that CONCORD and the DED may have been compromised. Capsuleers have been the only ones to stand up to the threat thus-far. Perhaps it is us who should be wielding the power here.
Jaret Victorian Caldari Provisions Caldari State 109	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:44:57 - [26] - Quote Signed. How dare you detain these brave people. They risked their lives to get us what we all deserve - the truth and you arrest them like they are criminals. Our cluster is in danger and you, corporate dogs, dare to conceal the truth. Possibly exploit the knowledge to get another load of money from it. Monetize it, weaponize it. That's what you usually do. That's why people languish and die all over our cluster. Dozens of thousands souls perish each second. Cease to exist. And what are you doing now? Hiding behind your rules and regulations? Behind your fleets? Do the right thing for once. Free these people. Disgusting. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Jukko Riis Black Rise Colonial Exploration 94	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:48:07 - [27] - Quote Signed. If DED was sloppy enough to let the Intel leak, it's the fault of DED, not the reporters. Intel like this is generally on a need to know basis. Since we're the ones getting attacked, since it's our crews getting killed, we have a need to know. BRCE: Mission Statement!
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1714	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:50:35 - [28] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Not signed. Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is. I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant beep. As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that? For now Drifters are a mere phantom menace, while Gallentes and Sansha are actual threat and hostile forces, invading and occupying Caldari territory. Fighting Drifters now is the treason against the State and humanity. Besides, we are now talking not about drifters, but about nosy gallenteans. THEY are the enemy. And those pseudo-"scientists", who did that autopsy and stole Drifters's body, THEY are the enemies.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 8093	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:51:34 - [29] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: As for the topic at hand, while I honestly don't believe the Scope staff are guilty of espionage, this is indeed a legal matter that CONCORD has every right to pursue. That said, my opinion of Eifyr and Co and the DED continues to sink with every day. How long have they had this message? How long have they been failing to act against the Tyrannos, or to disclose their findings with the only group capable of assisting the DED? While we of course have no right to this information, the DED is clearly failing to employ the resources at their disposal through their reticence. Bagrat Skalski wrote: Sometimes, the badly think out or hasty intervention can be of greater harm than good. Hiding something very dangerous from you, would mean protecting you from it. Until you are ready to confront it, it must remain hidden. While i would have generally agreed with your sentiments in the past, the fact here is that CONCORD, the DED and any other groups that had access to this information have done absolutely nothing to prepare for this and have gone so far as to prevent anyone else from doing so. Even if they had, a threat of this magnitude is not something these entities can contain without the unified assistance of not only capsuleers, but of all citizens in New Eden. We have seen the destructive power of the Drifters and we have seen their efforts to scan our defenses, there is some incredibly sketchy leadership going on in the DED if they think the public had no right to know of the giant doomsday wielding armada at their doorstep. I would even go as far as to speculate that CONCORD and the DED may have been compromised. Capsuleers have been the only ones to stand up to the threat thus-far. Perhaps it is us who should be wielding the power here. Power? How this power was protecting you from Drifters, when you are attacking them? How many capsuleers don't accept DED and CONCORD advices? Was it really a good for those capsuleers not to respect them? I have a serious doubts. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 80	Posted - 2015.05.08 19:21:13 - [30] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: Power? How this power was protecting you from Drifters, when you are attacking them? How many capsuleers don't accept DED and CONCORD advices? Was it really a good for those capsuleers not to respect them? I have a serious doubts. Firstly i would like to state that i have never engaged a drifter. I did once chase a circadian sleeper away when it tried to scan me however after it did not reply to hails asking it to cease and desist. If someone comes into your home and starts going through your draws, your electronic files, scanning your security systems and not replying to any of your attempts to communicate with them, you would feel threatened and violated. The drifters have been doing this en masse in all areas of space, and from the reports i have read, have actively attacked many people. The power i speak of is the power to act and the right to be privy to critical information related to our survival. Had the DED been more forthcoming with information it may have prevented people from overreacting and starting their own investigations. We have been forced to seek the knowledge for ourselves, and you should be glad there are people out there who did, or we may not even be aware of this fleet on our doorstep.
Markus Error Her Majesty's Crown Corporation 45	Posted - 2015.05.08 19:25:36 - [31] - Quote Signed. Scope employees delivering news is hardly espionage, DED. "The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 958	Posted - 2015.05.08 19:55:36 - [32] - Quote Strongly, not signed.
Tyrel Toov Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 359	Posted - 2015.05.08 20:18:39 - [33] - Quote Signed. I like knowing when visitors are coming to my house and what they're bringing with them. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1199	Posted - 2015.05.08 20:22:48 - [34] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Not signed. Damn gallenteans must learn where their place is. I am happy that their "freedom" won't save their arrogant beep. As one so devoted to the security of The State, i am disappointed you cannot see the bigger picture here. If the Drifters are not dealt with there will be no State to defend. I would personally consider any citizen who does not support a cause pivotal to The States survival to be a traitor. Barring that, if the Drifters wipe us out first, it would take away all your future chances to terrorize the Gallente. Can we really have that? For now Drifters are a mere phantom menace, while Gallentes and Sansha are actual threat and hostile forces, invading and occupying Caldari territory. Fighting Drifters now is the treason against the State and humanity. Besides, we are now talking not about drifters, but about nosy gallenteans. THEY are the enemy. And those pseudo-"scientists", who did that autopsy and stole Drifters's body, THEY are the enemies. No, we are still talking about drifters. Keep on track, or go start your own thread. Also, signed. These people violated no laws as the information was not classified. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Thea Isotalo Black Rise Colonial Exploration 41	Posted - 2015.05.08 20:43:33 - [35] - Quote Signed. Sources in Wiyrkomi Corporation are also very interested in the release of these individuals. BRCE: Mission Statement!
Mizhir Matari Exodus The Camel Empire 74349	Posted - 2015.05.08 21:28:41 - [36] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: And those pseudo-"scientists", who did that autopsy and stole Drifters's body, THEY are the enemies. I have been thinking. Since this is comming from you it is clear that I'm on the right track. Consider me flattered. One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6632	Posted - 2015.05.08 21:49:10 - [37] - Quote My experience with organizations like the DED tells me that this petition might have to be backed up with a fleet. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1199	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:00:30 - [38] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: My experience with organizations like the DED tells me that this petition might have to be backed up with a fleet. My experience with the DED tells me we couldn't field a fleet big enough to tickle their shields. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 83	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:00:56 - [39] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: My experience with organizations like the DED tells me that this petition might have to be backed up with a fleet. Should further action be considered necessary to safeguard our space...well we will cross that bridge when we come to it. I urge all pilots to stay on topic and spread this petition so that the DED can hear our voices with clarity. We will not be kept in the dark any longer. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Che Biko Alexylva Paradox 708	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:01:23 - [40] - Quote Signed, -Ch+¬ Biko Remember Lars Kiormen. Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1715	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:25:34 - [41] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: The madwoman is not known for anything save her single-minded, frothing hatred of Gallente. I'd like to warn everyone to not believe words of a honorless liar and coward Makoto Priano, as was shown there https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 this woman lacks ability and courage to stand for her lies. As Makoto puts absolutely zero weight to her words, they are empty and cheap as she herself is.
Serafin Arcturus Bloodspiller The Leviathan Armada The Blood Covenant 0	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:52:11 - [42] - Quote SIGNED!
TomHorn Bushido Code. 235	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:29:42 - [43] - Quote The freedom of the press ! Im no fan of DED, and have had first hand experince of their corruption. Anyone prepared to take on this corrupt organisation, i wish them goodluck.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1200	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:17:27 - [44] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: The madwoman is not known for anything save her single-minded, frothing hatred of Gallente. I'd like to warn everyone to not believe words of a honorless liar and coward Makoto Priano, as was shown there https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 this woman lacks ability and courage to stand for her lies. As Makoto puts absolutely zero weight to her words, they are empty and cheap as she herself is. In retrospect, I can't believe that I didn't troll the hell out of that thread when it was open...... Also: Take your ball and go home, Kim. We don't want to play "Put up with Kim's ****" today. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 662	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:34:00 - [45] - Quote Signed. They may spend what little time they give lowsec going on about how horrible people like us are but at least they value the truth when they see it. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin you're welcome
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 76	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:59:04 - [46] - Quote They were captured according to law for espionage. Demanding their release is illegal and breaks the rules our society is built upon. (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
Kyoko Sakoda Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 218	Posted - 2015.05.09 01:06:24 - [47] - Quote Ahh. I love it when two interstellar, international laws contradict one another. Reality is stranger than fiction. Popcorn, anyone?
Asura Vajrarupa Scope Works 55	Posted - 2015.05.09 01:39:39 - [48] - Quote Signed. DED, release your hostages before violence becomes necessary to insure freedom for the peoples of New Eden. Ignorance is the cause of suffering.
Stef Darklighter Scrum Squad Praetorian Directorate 0	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:30:41 - [49] - Quote Signed. As a pilot who has ventured into the depths of Anoikis, I know that there are some terrors in the darkness which we must not trifle with... And that when such a threat presents itself, we must challenge it head-on. I would sooner direct my guns upon those who would seek to hide the truth about this threat than in their defense. When facing an unknown foe like the Drifters, any information could be crucial. I demand the release of the Scope employees by the DED, unharmed. If the DED High Command choose not to comply in a peaceable manner, then we shall extract the hostages by force... And the citizens of the Empires will see just how much their vaunted "protectors" really value their rights & freedoms. Kjersidur Elladall, I trust you & your CONCORD masters will make the correct choice with regard to this matter...
Emmaline Fera Interstellar Expeditionary Group 2	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:50:08 - [50] - Quote Signed. The Drifter threat is clearly worse than anything New Eden has yet faced. The Scope employees are righteous warriors to have shared the message with us.
Rhavas Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 436	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:59:58 - [51] - Quote You can hide and dissemble all you like, Arve Vesren. Like Vieve Creston before you, hiding what you could in the interests of your shadow government rather than the people it pretends to serve. It is time for you to wake up, and see the threat before you. The empires war under your supervision. Sansha invades while you stand by. Only luck saved you from the Elders. The Drifters are coming, and you will not withstand them. Unless you start playing straight with the people of New Eden and empowering the Empires to fight them as one, like you once did with Kuvakei. This is no less an existential threat. Release the journalists, and start telling us what you've known for at least six months. And I would surmise, you've known much since Seyllin. Signed. Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary
Lord Kailethre Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 47	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:30:14 - [52] - Quote Signed. DED has better things to be doing than arresting reporters for 'espionage.'
Quattras Peione SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart. 91	Posted - 2015.05.09 04:44:42 - [53] - Quote Signed. The detention of those responsible for leaking the information in question is tantamount to retaliation against a whistleblower, and a very unsettling precedent indeed. Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 76	Posted - 2015.05.09 05:23:25 - [54] - Quote Kyoko Sakoda wrote: Ahh. I love it when two interstellar, international laws contradict one another. Reality is stranger than fiction. Popcorn, anyone? Which laws contradict each other? I don't know the law which would contradict those, that they have violated. And besides that, even if two laws contradict each other, breaking any of them will lead to punishment. Because they are laws. (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
Threll Lornax The Sleepless Vanguard 9	Posted - 2015.05.09 08:26:26 - [55] - Quote Signed
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 960	Posted - 2015.05.09 08:42:48 - [56] - Quote There is a clear lack of foresight here. This matter belongs to a court. Both those laws do not contradict each other but one can supersede the former when the security breach is proven enough for it to apply. It is called a safeguard and prevents excessive use of the first, generic law. Those journalists chose to risk exposing information compromising security and opsec when they were clearly told not to do so. Releasing that kind of information to the public is a clear lack of professionalism as well as an indication of journalistic eagerness and appetite for audience without thinking further of the implication of such a press release. While that the seed has been planted already now, asking for the release of those journalists is understandable but will not serve as a lesson for future, similar breaches. If that message asking for Jovian body parts had been kept in the hands of CONCORD, and then a similar leak happened, would you have all of you made such outrage for it to be released because you had the right to know too ? Capsuleer foolishness at its highest that want to be fed every information, not matter the implications. That is childish.
Yuko Aioi Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2015.05.09 09:10:27 - [57] - Quote Signed
Florian Lousberg Furtherance. 1	Posted - 2015.05.09 10:42:50 - [58] - Quote Signed.
Liam Antolliere Liberty Vanguard 446	Posted - 2015.05.09 10:53:51 - [59] - Quote Signed. Liberty Vanguard collectively supports this petition as well. "Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 248	Posted - 2015.05.09 11:24:02 - [60] - Quote Freedom of information. Whistleblowing policy. Signed. Tertianus Rethelior. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Frenjo Borkstar Viziam 68	Posted - 2015.05.09 12:35:51 - [61] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: There is a clear lack of foresight here. This matter belongs to a court. Both those laws do not contradict each other but one can supersede the former when the security breach is proven enough for it to apply. It is called a safeguard and prevents excessive use of the first, generic law. Those journalists chose to risk exposing information compromising security and opsec when they were clearly told not to do so. Releasing that kind of information to the public is a clear lack of professionalism as well as an indication of journalistic eagerness and appetite for audience without thinking further of the implication of such a press release. While that the seed has been planted already now, asking for the release of those journalists is understandable but will not serve as a lesson for future, similar breaches. If for example that older message asking for Jovian body parts had been kept in the hands of CONCORD, and then a similar leak happened, would you have all of you made such outrage for it to be released because you had the right to know too ? Capsuleer foolishness at its highest that want to be fed every information, not matter the implications. The point is, now there's a threat that clearly affects all our safety. Remember, CONCORD are the ones with killswitches in our brains, if they become compromised we're all dead. Dr. Frenjo Borkstar, Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
Deitra Vess Scope Works 340	Posted - 2015.05.09 14:04:57 - [62] - Quote Signed.
Mark726 Project Compass Holdings 174	Posted - 2015.05.09 16:15:36 - [63] - Quote I fully support this petition. Signed. Author, EVE Travel Author, EVE Lore Survival Guide
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 84	Posted - 2015.05.09 16:29:44 - [64] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: There is a clear lack of foresight here. This matter belongs to a court. Both those laws do not contradict each other but one can supersede the former when the security breach is proven enough for it to apply. It is called a safeguard and prevents excessive use of the first, generic law. Those journalists chose to risk exposing information compromising security and opsec when they were clearly told not to do so. Releasing that kind of information to the public is a clear lack of professionalism as well as an indication of journalistic eagerness and appetite for audience without thinking further of the implication of such a press release. While that the seed has been planted already now, asking for the release of those journalists is understandable but will not serve as a lesson for future, similar breaches. If for example that older message asking for Jovian body parts had been kept in the hands of CONCORD, and then a similar leak happened, would you have all of you made such outrage for it to be released because you had the right to know too ? Capsuleer foolishness at its highest that want to be fed every information, not matter the implications. Nonsense. The DED strongly suggested not releasing the information until they could analyze it, but at the time had no legal authority to restrict such a thing happening. If they did they would have done so before the release of the information. There is nothing opsec about a armada of drifter battleships on our doorstep. The DED and CONCORD have had MONTHS to deal with this threat either through communication or show of force, if they had done so, and could show that they are able to protect us, then i would agree with your statements, however considering they have shown a distinct lack of ability to do anything at all when even Yulai was attacked, it was certainly time to release this information to people who can make a difference. If you want to banter about professionalism and laws when we are about to be invaded, then respectfully it is clear you have lost perspective. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Kirk Ernaga Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate 0	Posted - 2015.05.09 17:56:45 - [65] - Quote Signed. Though I can understand the importance of not showing your weaknesses, the ded is withholding information from the only people that are willing aND capable of fighting the drifters effectively. Furthermore I would propose a future petition to release information on the status of the jove directorate. Concord, you have willing allies here, but for the sake of God stop keeping g us in the dark!
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 961	Posted - 2015.05.09 19:17:23 - [66] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Lyn Farel wrote: There is a clear lack of foresight here. This matter belongs to a court. Both those laws do not contradict each other but one can supersede the former when the security breach is proven enough for it to apply. It is called a safeguard and prevents excessive use of the first, generic law. Those journalists chose to risk exposing information compromising security and opsec when they were clearly told not to do so. Releasing that kind of information to the public is a clear lack of professionalism as well as an indication of journalistic eagerness and appetite for audience without thinking further of the implication of such a press release. While that the seed has been planted already now, asking for the release of those journalists is understandable but will not serve as a lesson for future, similar breaches. If for example that older message asking for Jovian body parts had been kept in the hands of CONCORD, and then a similar leak happened, would you have all of you made such outrage for it to be released because you had the right to know too ? Capsuleer foolishness at its highest that want to be fed every information, not matter the implications. Nonsense. The DED strongly suggested not releasing the information until they could analyze it, but at the time had no legal authority to restrict such a thing happening. If they did they would have done so before the release of the information. There is nothing opsec about a armada of drifter battleships on our doorstep. The DED and CONCORD have had MONTHS to deal with this threat either through communication or show of force, if they had done so, and could show that they are able to protect us, then i would agree with your statements, however considering they have shown a distinct lack of ability to do anything at all when even Yulai was attacked, it was certainly time to release this information to people who can make a difference. If you want to banter about professionalism and laws when we are about to be invaded, then respectfully it is clear you have lost perspective. They could have incarcerated them before... indeed. The reaction would have been the same. The outrage would have been even worse, perhaps, for not knowing the reasons. Perhaps, also, they had the hope to be lenient and did not want to act like;.. tyrants. Also, it is interesting to note that the very word used here, "suggested", can mean pretty much anything. Especially associated with strongly, and that could have well been an actual threat of judicial consequences. If I may say so, you are very quick to judge without the proper information and barely knowing the tip of the iceberg. And that is what this whole thread seems to be about. Haste and lack of information. Entitled capsuleers grasping at straws and making up half of the story, then convincing themselves that it is actually what happened. Maybe you are right, though. Maybe there is a CONCORD conspiracy or that they are just incompetent.... Well then, forgive me for believing in Occam's Razor principles here. I am not too much into tinfoil theories... Why would they have to show that they are able to protect us, by the way ? CONCORD's mandate when it comes to capsuleers, is to regulate capsuleer business. They keep capsuleers on a leash and that is basically their only reason to interfere in our affairs. And I honestly believe that capsuleers really are the last to be... protected against physical threats in space... If I may speculate for a bit, I would not be surprised to see them releasing a statement where capsuleers are called to defend against that new threat if said threat proves to be not only hostile to capsuleers (that also invade their space), but also to baseliners, like the Sansha Nation proved to be in the past when they returned. If anything, freelance capsuleers are (valuable) tools to CONCORD, nothing more. Last but not least... Nothing tells me that they have been doing nothing for the last months... This report actually proves that they have been listening to broadcast communications from inside Anoikis, or maybe even more, to just get their hands on that information. Have you been able to receive it yourself ? What was your own intelligence, before theirs leaked ? I believe here that they were actually a lot more capable in... doing something valuable, instead of blasting gung-ho every drifter ship coming in their vicinity... Do not get me wrong though... The drifter autopsy and other valuable bits gathered by capsuleers are also worthy of praise. I respectfully question your own lack of perspective here..
Blue spy Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 64	Posted - 2015.05.09 20:43:12 - [67] - Quote Not signed. The DED might be privy to information too confidential to let into the hands of a bunch of hyped up murder-boning demigods, and in that respect a moratorium on these kinds of scaremongering attempts by the scope seem completely justified. We could be getting in the way of some high-level negotiations here, or disrupting the work of an agency which for almost all of its recorded history has bent over backwards to secure peace in New Eden.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 8134	Posted - 2015.05.09 20:43:52 - [68] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: Bagrat Skalski wrote: Power? How this power was protecting you from Drifters, when you are attacking them? How many capsuleers don't accept DED and CONCORD advices? Was it really a good for those capsuleers not to respect them? I have a serious doubts. Firstly i would like to state that i have never engaged a drifter. I did once chase a circadian sleeper away when it tried to scan me however after it did not reply to hails asking it to cease and desist. If someone comes into your home and starts going through your draws, your electronic files, scanning your security systems and not replying to any of your attempts to communicate with them, you would feel threatened and violated. The drifters have been doing this en masse in all areas of space, and from the reports i have read, have actively attacked many people. The power i speak of is the power to act and the right to be privy to critical information related to our survival. Had the DED been more forthcoming with information it may have prevented people from overreacting and starting their own investigations. We have been forced to seek the knowledge for ourselves, and you should be glad there are people out there who did, or we may not even be aware of this fleet on our doorstep. Sins of capsuleers are many. Drifters act only when provoked. If you make dishonor to a guest, if you try to steal from him, if you attack him, he have right to defend himself. I will not even say anything about all those times when capsuleers invaded Sleeper structures for a profit. This had to end someday. If moth comes too near to a light, its wings will burn. Don't allow them act like a moths - warn them, hide fire, that was the intention of officials. If you don't know anything beside "don't come near them", its better for you. But even that advice was completely ignored. Childish behavior: you have to get burned to know the pain. This "freedom" will come with even greater cost in future, I am afraid, as there is more to uncover. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Temba Ronin 301	Posted - 2015.05.09 21:26:02 - [69] - Quote DED & Concord should not operate "Above the law", I sense a growing threat and would like all the time and information available to prepare. I suspect the attempts to maintain public calm have over ridden common sense within the upper echelons of the DED and Concord. As capsuleers we all can see a fight is coming. The time has come to organize a "law enforcement auxiliary" that functions as effectively as the Militias do. We capsuleers have to be free and informed to fight the growing threat on the horizon. Yes I sign the petition to free the journalists! Join me in demanding that DED and Concord organize a "Law Enforcement Auxiliary" made up of volunteer capsuleers that will take the fight to the Jove, Drifters, and whoever else wherever they pop up in New Eden in whatever class ship is required. The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 962	Posted - 2015.05.09 21:31:44 - [70] - Quote They will probably do something similar soon enough, albeit less officially I guess...
Kirk Ernaga Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate 0	Posted - 2015.05.10 06:13:18 - [71] - Quote Blue spy wrote: Not signed. The DED might be privy to information too confidential to let into the hands of a bunch of hyped up murder-boning demigods, and in that respect a moratorium on these kinds of scaremongering attempts by the scope seem completely justified. We could be getting in the way of some high-level negotiations here, or disrupting the work of an agency which for almost all of its recorded history has bent over backwards to secure peace in New Eden. If that was the case why didn't they declare the information classified and keep the broadcast out of the scopes hand to begin with?
Kirk Ernaga Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate 0	Posted - 2015.05.10 06:14:05 - [72] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: DED & Concord should not operate "Above the law", I sense a growing threat and would like all the time and information available to prepare. I suspect the attempts to maintain public calm have over ridden common sense within the upper echelons of the DED and Concord. As capsuleers we all can see a fight is coming. The time has come to organize a "law enforcement auxiliary" that functions as effectively as the Militias do. We capsuleers have to be free and informed to fight the growing threat on the horizon. Yes I sign the petition to free the journalists! Join me in demanding that DED and Concord organize a "Law Enforcement Auxiliary" made up of volunteer capsuleers that will take the fight to the Jove, Drifters, and whoever else wherever they pop up in New Eden in whatever class ship is required. I second this motion
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 86	Posted - 2015.05.10 07:15:08 - [73] - Quote Lyn Farel wrote: They could have incarcerated them before... indeed. The reaction would have been the same. The outrage would have been even worse, perhaps, for not knowing the reasons. Perhaps, also, they had the hope to be lenient and did not want to act like;.. tyrants. Also, it is interesting to note that the very word used here, "suggested", can mean pretty much anything. Especially associated with strongly, and that could have well been an actual threat of judicial consequences. If I may say so, you are very quick to judge without the proper information and barely knowing the tip of the iceberg. And that is what this whole thread seems to be about. Haste and lack of information. Entitled capsuleers grasping at straws and making up half of the story, then convincing themselves that it is actually what happened. Maybe you are right, though. Maybe there is a CONCORD conspiracy or that they are just incompetent.... Well then, forgive me for believing in Occam's Razor principles here. I am not too much into tinfoil theories... Why would they have to show that they are able to protect us, by the way ? CONCORD's mandate when it comes to capsuleers, is to regulate capsuleer business. They keep capsuleers on a leash and that is basically their only reason to interfere in our affairs. And I honestly believe that capsuleers really are the last to be... protected against physical threats in space... If I may speculate for a bit, I would not be surprised to see them releasing a statement where capsuleers are called to defend against that new threat if said threat proves to be not only hostile to capsuleers (that also invade their space), but also to baseliners, like the Sansha Nation proved to be in the past when they returned. If anything, freelance capsuleers are (valuable) tools to CONCORD, nothing more. Last but not least... Nothing tells me that they have been doing nothing for the last months... This report actually proves that they have been listening to broadcast communications from inside Anoikis, or maybe even more, to just get their hands on that information. Have you been able to receive it yourself ? What was your own intelligence, before theirs leaked ? I believe here that they were actually a lot more capable in... doing something valuable, instead of blasting gung-ho every drifter ship coming in their vicinity... Do not get me wrong though... The drifter autopsy and other valuable bits gathered by capsuleers are also worthy of praise. I respectfully question your own lack of perspective here.. I think there is a common misunderstanding here when we discuss the Drifters. I was not and never have advocated for blowing them out of the sky for no reason. I was content, albeit it concerned when they first appeared, when they first began scanning out defenses, ships and structures, and even when they defended themselves vs capsuleer aggression. My main concern is that there was no visible response from CONCORD or the DED when the Drifters went to Yulai. Maybe there is something behind the scenes that we are not seeing, sure, i can see that being a viable possibility, however a direct attack on the core our of defenses, one that has potential similarities to the Minmatar Elder fleet that shut down the system in the past, goes without much response or defense. That seems very wrong. I would think that if there was communication between the DED and the Drifters, even without general public knowledge that those events would not have transpired. I can then only reasonably assume that this is not the case and thus find the current state of events very concerning. It was right of The Scope to bring this to our attention. We all have the right to defend ourselves. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Arve Vesren DED CONCORD Assembly 0	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:21:53 - [74] - Quote I suppose a little clarification of fact wouldnGÇÖt hurt. Two employees of The Scope have indeed been detained for questioning under Section 6 of the Interstellar Corporate Espionage Act YC36, along with a third individual who was until today an employee of Eifyr & Co. This bill was passed in YC36 to protect businesses and organizations from the theft or unauthorized dissemination of information relating to corporate operations. Given that Hilen Tukoss is registered with the SCC as an employee of Eifyr & Co, and was struck off from the corporate citizenship roster of both Ishukone and Zainou Biotech with the House of Records, this makes his projects business property of Eifyr & Co, whom have filed complaint with the SCC and DED under the ICE Act YC36 from the jurisdiction of Meinigefur district court. At this time, the three individuals listed above are freely working with the Directive Enforcement Department and Eifyr & Co. during their detainment to ascertain the age of the footage, and the location from which it was broadcast. The DED was only made aware of the existence of this footage when it was unlawfully sold to The Scope on May 8th, and our offices were contacted by Eifyr & Co regarding theft of digital property. Since becoming aware of the footage, the DED has begun to analyze the recording, its carrier signal and its transmission origin to attempt to date and locate the nature of the events. At this time we have no further information to disseminate on the subject. Of course, at this stage people are welcome to continue to offer their opinions on the detainment of three individuals who have broken the law in both the Federation and Republic, as well as Interstellar law, however any points raised remain irrelevant. The three individuals will remain in the custody of the DED until such time as our questioning and investigation is complete, and they are released or criminal charges are formally filed. The primary objective of the Directive Enforcement Department at this stage is the analysis of the footage and the structure shown within to ascertain whether an upgrade in threat classification is required for the Drifters, and dissemination of that information to various law enforcement and military agencies across the cluster. The secondary objective is the safe recovery of Hilen Tukoss. The DED has nothing further to add regarding the situation. We do however advise that any attempts to slow or interfere with ongoing investigation will be met with full response on behalf of the Directive Enforcement Department, and cooperating forces from the Federal Intelligence Office and Republic Security Services. Any further questions can be directed to the DED Office of Press. Regards, - AV
Tarek Raimo Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords 23	Posted - 2015.05.11 14:33:25 - [75] - Quote I support this petition. This attack on our basic democratic freedoms can not stand! Which legislation gives the DED authority to detain people without charge. I understand the Eifyr&Co employee has been chrged with corporate espionage, but I have not heard any official statement saying what the Scope journalists are charged with. Above and beyond this issue, it is clear that Eifyr&Co have long been aware of the drifter threat and failed to pass on the warning to the DED that Dr. Tukoss has called for, otherwise they would not have to "investigate the date of the recording". It can not be the purpose of the DED to protect corporations who fail to disclose information about high-level interstellar threats and on the other side detain those who have the courage to bring that to our attention.
Euttere Geten Pathfind 2	Posted - 2015.05.11 16:12:48 - [76] - Quote With respect to Assemblywoman Vesren, the law may be clear, but the justification for this reactionary enforcement is questionable. Given the data in the leaked footage broadcast by the Scope, and assuming it's veracity based on the actions of Eifyr, it seems pretty clear that the purchase and dissemination of the clip were not motivated by an attempt to gain an unfair market advantage or damage another company's interests. The Eifyr employee and Scope journalists clearly agreed that the footage depicted an existential threat to the well-being of the cluster, and acted appropriately. Even if these acts were illegal by the letter of the law, the acts were just. Furthermore, it seems to me as a lay citizen of the Republic that the DED are hostile in employing Section 6 of the ICEA in this case, though perhaps Eifyr share some of the blame for this as well.
Aeril Malkyre Knights of the Ouroboros 396	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:21:40 - [77] - Quote Signed. Who knows how long Eifyr has been sitting on this. I'm glad one of our brothers or sisters saw clear that this threat is not something that should be kept secret. The cluster must prepare. Forewarned is forearmed.
Sinjin Mokk Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 96	Posted - 2015.05.11 17:47:50 - [78] - Quote Arve Vesren wrote: Of course, at this stage people are welcome to continue to offer their opinions on the detainment of three individuals who have broken the law in both the Federation and Republic, as well as Interstellar law, however any points raised remain irrelevant. The three individuals will remain in the custody of the DED until such time as our questioning and investigation is complete, and they are released or criminal charges are formally filed. The primary objective of the Directive Enforcement Department at this stage is the analysis of the footage and the structure shown within to ascertain whether an upgrade in threat classification is required for the Drifters, and dissemination of that information to various law enforcement and military agencies across the cluster. The secondary objective is the safe recovery of Hilen Tukoss. In my opinion? I find this to be a fascinating stance. According to what we generally know about the DED, your mandate covers protecting CONCORD interests, providing security for CONCORD-sponsored functions and the tracking and prosecution of certain high-profile criminals (great job on getting Sansha Kuvakei and Bloody Omir, by the way). Generally, CAPSULEER criminals. I don't see anything where your mandate allows for the taking of private citizens, to be held indefinitely without charge. Other than that, you provide bounty hunter services. You say in one sentence that they "are freely working with the Directive Enforcement Department and Eifyr & Co. during their detainment..." I may not be a Gallente, but I think your definition of "free" and the rest of the galaxy's definition are somewhat in opposition. Having them "detained" means to any reasoning being, that they are working under duress. I thought slavery was illegal in your part of space? Based on your mention of the Corporate Espionage Act YC36 in conjunction with the members of the Scope and/or with Hilen Tukoss, the issue is a breach of corporate IP law. The specifics of the data are irrelevant. It could be the footage we saw or a copied shuttle blueprint. Ergo by law, these are not criminals - at least not until they have been charged, tried and convicted. And even then, cases of IP theft are usually settled for a monetary reimbursement to the offended party. Take them to court, if you feel you must, Are you confirming that this was originally your data and that you withheld it from the public? If so, you would need an arbitrary authority to hold and try them because your corporate heads in CONCORD can't do it due to the inherent conflict of interests. In short, you have zero right and zero authority to remand or hold these individuals. They must be released. They are not criminals. You have not and cannot prove that they are. If any laws were broken, they are corporate misdemeanors, not capitol offenses. They are not Capsuleers (or are they?). Incidentally, I recently paid a large sum of ISK to your corporation to increase my standing with your corporation and CONCORD. I will make my financial records available to certain individuals, so if you get it in your pretty little head to call me an outlaw, I can prove that I've paid you the appropriate amount of grease to buy legal redemption. If a similar amount is needed to secure the parole of your current prisoners, my associates and I will happily act as brokers. To Mr. Tukoss, the members of Scope and any others who seek sanctuary form the corruption of the DED and CONCORD, there is a place for you. Angels...are never far. S. Mokk Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 88	Posted - 2015.05.11 18:28:16 - [79] - Quote Arve Vesren wrote: I suppose a little clarification of fact wouldnGÇÖt hurt............. Any further questions can be directed to the DED Office of Press. Regards, - AV Ms, Vesren First, let me personally thank you for taking time to respond to us. We appreciate the efforts made in this regard. I would request a name or point of contact for the DED Office of Press if possible. I am having trouble locating that information. On the Drifters I would like to specifically draw your attention to this article on the information regarding the Drifter autopsy reports where you personally stated GÇ£given the vast numbers Drifter vessels that appear to be in service, it is best for the dissemination of information relating to their capability to be swift and all inclusive, so that organizations can prepare defense protocols and procedures, if requiredGÇ¥ This statement seems to contradict the stance the DED has recently taken in regards to The Scope video. It seems to me that if a large armada has now been seen amassing, that an IMMEDIATE upgrade to the threat classification is called for in order to ensure the safety of those under your care. Obviously if the threat is not substantiated after the investigation completes a de-escalation would be in called for, but I see no reason to delay what could be crucial preparation time, especially after you yourself made statements regarding the possible threat of just a few Drifter vessels in comparison. We ask for information on how long the DED and CONCORD have known about the Drifters, or any perceived threats in Anokis not specifically categorised as Drifters. For example, the community has expressed concerns about this article On The Scope employees We request information on what exactly GÇÿSection 6 of the Interstellar Corporate Espionage Act YC36GÇÖ entails. While we can speculate to what it contains, I would prefer to operate on facts. According you, Ms Vesren, Eifyr & Co only informed the DED of the existence of this video on May 8th and only AFTER it was illegally sold to The Scope. You currently have no idea how long this video has existed or when it was sent, so there is a strong possibility this critical information may have been lying dormant while a large and likely hostile fleet is amassing within range of the Empires. I would ask then, in addition to The Scope employees arrests, why have the DED not arrested those in possession of such important information? Would it not considered treason to withhold information potentially vital to the safety of New Eden and its citizens? It seems awfully suspicious that the only people in trouble here are the ones doing exactly as you yourself advised the DED to do with the Drifter Autopsy results, especially considering that a human life, Hilen Tukoss, is on the line. Eifyr & CoGÇÖs neglect in doing everything possible to rescue this man, who has risked his life to give us forewarning could be considered gross neglect of employee wellbeing. They should be held accountable. I will not even attempt to get into how incredibly unsettling it is that the DED and CONCORD did not even make an attempt to defend Yulai during its recent attack, as my response is already quite long. Be assured Ms. Vesren, the capsuleers are watching. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 6986	Posted - 2015.05.11 20:15:45 - [80] - Quote Arve Vesren wrote: The DED was only made aware of the existence of this footage when it was unlawfully sold to The Scope on May 8th, and our offices were contacted by Eifyr & Co regarding theft of digital property. Fascinating. Eifyr receives a transmission indicating one of their agents has been possibly killed in an unknown system, by an unknown assailant, and... doesn't notify CONCORD? You know, interestingly enough, Eifyr & Co was a participant or supporter of the Sisters' ship construction effort. Their logo is on the warp drive ring of the Stratios, even. Huh. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 714	Posted - 2015.05.11 20:20:22 - [81] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: You know, interestingly enough, Eifyr & Co was a participant or supporter of the Sisters' ship construction effort. Their logo is on the warp drive ring of the Stratios, even. Huh. ... huh.
Frenjo Borkstar Viziam 69	Posted - 2015.05.11 21:50:38 - [82] - Quote Arve Vesren wrote: I suppose a little clarification of fact wouldnGÇÖt hurt. At this time, the three individuals listed above are freely working with the Directive Enforcement Department and Eifyr & Co. during their detainment to ascertain the age of the footage, and the location from which it was broadcast. "Freely working", I'm sorry, but until I hear that from the mouth of Lina Ambre, I'm not taking it. Arve Vesren wrote: Of course, at this stage people are welcome to continue to offer their opinions on the detainment of three individuals who have broken the law in both the Federation and Republic, as well as Interstellar law, however any points raised remain irrelevant. We are not raising questions, we are raising valid points. The Yulai convention has been broken here, and that fact can't be hidden. Arve Vesren wrote: The primary objective of the Directive Enforcement Department at this stage is the analysis of the footage and the structure shown within to ascertain whether an upgrade in threat classification is required for the Drifters, and dissemination of that information to various law enforcement and military agencies across the cluster. The secondary objective is the safe recovery of Hilen Tukoss. That's the problem, there is a clear and imminent threat. I am, with all due respect to others, one of the foremost experts currently working on the Drifter threat, and have actively recovered samples of their technology. So far I have had no response from the DED as to whether they can assist in my analysis. There is a threat, and you refuse to see it. Arve Vesren wrote: The DED has nothing further to add regarding the situation. We do however advise that any attempts to slow or interfere with ongoing investigation will be met with full response on behalf of the Directive Enforcement Department, and cooperating forces from the Federal Intelligence Office and Republic Security Services. You wouldn't disseminate the information even if you got it! For some reason, you consider capsuleers unworthy of this information, when we can help you! Disseminate all the information you have to the capsuleer experts and myself, if not the public, and let us work with you, instead of creating conflict like you are doing right now! Actually DO something and let us help you! - Dr. Frenjo Borkstar. Dr. Frenjo Borkstar, Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 795	Posted - 2015.05.11 22:19:20 - [83] - Quote Arve Vesren Your hearby served. Notice published here and via Neocom Mail Writ before the court Bar Certified General Counsel Attorney at Law Crime and Punishment JAG Gallente Federal Navy Clients Deep Space Mining Corp Brave Crewmen of the Brave Corporations Quafe
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 88	Posted - 2015.05.11 22:35:27 - [84] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Arve Vesren wrote: The DED was only made aware of the existence of this footage when it was unlawfully sold to The Scope on May 8th, and our offices were contacted by Eifyr & Co regarding theft of digital property. Fascinating. Eifyr receives a transmission indicating one of their agents has been possibly killed in an unknown system, by an unknown assailant, and... doesn't notify CONCORD? You know, interestingly enough, Eifyr & Co was a participant or supporter of the Sisters' ship construction effort. Their logo is on the warp drive ring of the Stratios, even. Huh. Thank you for raising this..interesting point. It is noted. Should the DED or Eifyr & Co press wish to correspond with me on our concerns, i will most certainly add it to the list of questions. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 795	Posted - 2015.05.12 01:31:50 - [85] - Quote FOR IMMEDIATE DISSEMINATION ALL STATIONS ALL NETS People of the Federation, I stand before you today, the voice of the oppressed people. A few days ago, The Scope News Network release a video provided to them by Hilen Tukoss, who is registered with the SCC as an employee of Eifyr & Co. This video which shows the ever growing threat the drifters pose to New Eden. A video being actively suppressed by Eifyr & CO and the DED. A video, we as a free people, have the right to see. The Scope was acting under the CONCORD Freedom of Press legislation, part of the Yulai convention and the DED had no legal authority to intervene. NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO INTERVIENE. Yet once again the jackbooted thugs of DED stepped in and silence the voice of the people. So I come here today to say, NO MORE! Arve Vesren NO MORE! The Gallente people will not be silence. A free press is vital to the freedom of the people. I will not rest until the SCOPE THREE ARE FREE. I call on all Capslers and people of the Gallente Federation to stand up and say "NO MORE FREE THE SCOPE THREE!" Tell COncord Tell Roden We will not be silence, We will not be afraid, and we will not stop till we are again free. Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Max Singularity House Singularity 144	Posted - 2015.05.12 08:50:16 - [86] - Quote My office supports the just and legal process of law. The days of questioning have passed. https://twitter.com/MaxSingularity/status/598045462042529792 DED/CONCORD... be accountable, be transparent, be responsible. It is not just law... it is MORAL order that demands it. Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden -First of his name- ((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 89	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:30:53 - [87] - Quote Dradis Aulmais wrote: FOR IMMEDIATE DISSEMINATION ALL STATIONS ALL NETS People of the Federation, I stand before you today, the voice of the oppressed people. A few days ago, The Scope News Network release a video provided to them by Hilen Tukoss, who is registered with the SCC as an employee of Eifyr & Co. This video which shows the ever growing threat the drifters pose to New Eden. A video being actively suppressed by Eifyr & CO and the DED. A video, we as a free people, have the right to see. The Scope was acting under the CONCORD Freedom of Press legislation, part of the Yulai convention and the DED had no legal authority to intervene. NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO INTERVIENE. Yet once again the jackbooted thugs of DED stepped in and silence the voice of the people. So I come here today to say, NO MORE! Arve Vesren NO MORE! The Gallente people will not be silence. A free press is vital to the freedom of the people. I will not rest until the SCOPE THREE ARE FREE. I call on all Capslers and people of the Gallente Federation to stand up and say "NO MORE FREE THE SCOPE THREE!" Tell COncord Tell Roden We will not be silence, We will not be afraid, and we will not stop till we are again free. I would strongly urge all Capsuleers to remain calm while we attempt to sort through this process with the DED. If this turns into a movement based on emotion and not logic we will not find the justice or resolution we seek, and it will infact become harder for us to appear legitimate in our concerns instead of appearing like a crazy mob. Max Singularity wrote: My office supports the just and legal process of law. The days of questioning have passed. https://twitter.com/MaxSingularity/status/598045462042529792 DED/CONCORD... be accountable, be transparent, be responsible. It is not just law... it is MORAL order that demands it. I thank you for your support. If only Jamyl Sarum saw the importance of this en devour as you do. We urge CONCORD to willingly submit to a regulatory body for investigation to ensure the laws and processes they uphold are just and fair. We call for transparency of the laws set out in the Yulai convention. We must ensure CONCORD remains the entity it was built for - a neutral ground for the Empires and Capsuleers to engage in diplomatic resolution - and not a unregulated police force as it is becoming. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Tiberious Thessalonia Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 2363	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:44:02 - [88] - Quote You guys really think that a petition is going to change DED's mind?
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 796	Posted - 2015.05.12 14:46:08 - [89] - Quote My clients are not members of the military, and are Federation Citizens. Military law does not apply here. The Supreme Court has held time and time again that the military (especially the Black Eagles) can not try civilians in a military court under military law, unless the are under direct military contract or draft. Such Drafts and contract can not be implemented after the date of arrest. And the DED is required under their charter to return all arrested non-capsilers to the Empire of Citizenship with in 48 hours. The last report i seen about my clients shows me that the DED still has them under detainment not the Federation Police Force. As for the allegations the DED has made against my clients, The video in question is not categorized as a TRADE SECRET, under the Industrial Espionage Act. In order to be categorized as a Trade Secrete it must met the following criteria: 1. Be or Show production techniques, materials, or schematics 2. Material that shows or disseminates capabilities of a corporation or government force. 3. BE material asset to a hostile force. As the video does not met any of the above criteria, my clients can not be charge as listed. The Drifters would be the one filing the petition as it shows their fleet capabilities and corporate activities. The petition would then be thrown out because the video was captured by a non-drifter employee. The Scope being a registered News agency, the Scope has protection under the Freedom of the Press Act. The Freedom of the Press act allows the dissemination of classified information if the news agency did not actively participate in the theft of the material. The DED has by their own admission stated that this information was sold to the Scope and not stolen by them. The employee who sold the video is protected under the Federal Whistle Blower Act, as this video shows a clear cover up by a corporation and government official of a emerging threat to the empire. FREE THE SCOPE 3 Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Daerrol Quantum Singularities Half Massed 152	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:34:41 - [90] - Quote This seems largely like an issue between CONCORD and Eifyr. No charges have even been pressed yet. Seems a bit early to jump on the "save the scope" bandwagon.
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 796	Posted - 2015.05.12 15:44:56 - [91] - Quote Daerrol wrote: This seems largely like an issue between CONCORD and Eifyr. No charges have even been pressed yet. Seems a bit early to jump on the "save the scope" bandwagon. DED has detained and are currently holding SCOPE employees in violation of their rights and laws. They have been held for days now without charges and no end to their interment in sight. Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1147	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:20:54 - [92] - Quote Dradis Aulmais wrote: Daerrol wrote: This seems largely like an issue between CONCORD and Eifyr. No charges have even been pressed yet. Seems a bit early to jump on the "save the scope" bandwagon. DED has detained and are currently holding SCOPE employees in violation of their rights and laws. They have been held for days now without charges and no end to their interment in sight. DED may only hold people for 48 hours without charges and the Federation may only hold for48 hours without charges so a total of 4 standard days can these people be held. It has been far longer than that. Justice is not being served here. The DED is overreaching in its authority. This all depends on the threat they are trying to defend us against. The latest release states that we will receive clarification tomorrow. As long as these detainees are being well treated we should at least wait until then and see what is actually going on.
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 796	Posted - 2015.05.12 16:49:48 - [93] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Dradis Aulmais wrote: Daerrol wrote: This seems largely like an issue between CONCORD and Eifyr. No charges have even been pressed yet. Seems a bit early to jump on the "save the scope" bandwagon. DED has detained and are currently holding SCOPE employees in violation of their rights and laws. They have been held for days now without charges and no end to their interment in sight. DED may only hold people for 48 hours without charges and the Federation may only hold for48 hours without charges so a total of 4 standard days can these people be held. It has been far longer than that. Justice is not being served here. The DED is overreaching in its authority. This all depends on the threat they are trying to defend us against. The latest release states that we will receive clarification tomorrow. As long as these detainees are being well treated we should at least wait until then and see what is actually going on. DED intent is irreverent. The rights of my clients are being violated. It is a slap to free citizens everywhere. If we keep letting DED intrude upon our freedoms, violate the laws and rights of a free people, then we are no better than slaves. I will not stand for it. The Gallente people will not stand for it. and I hope the President comes to his senses and stands up for our rights. Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 89	Posted - 2015.05.12 17:54:36 - [94] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: You guys really think that a petition is going to change DED's mind? Do i think it will change their mind? No Do i feel it is worth a pursuing the chance? Yes When the time comes for change, it cannot be said we did not give fair warning, nor attempt diplomatic recourse first. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Vorion Atreides The Vikings of Valhalla Project.Mayhem. 5	Posted - 2015.05.12 19:24:11 - [95] - Quote a++a¦ê+ä-£Gö£Gö¼Gö¦Gö¼Gö¦ PsstGÇª you wanna buy some dongers? Born too late to explore the Earth, born too soon to explore the Galaxy. Born just in time to post DANK Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦S
KaRa DaVuT Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance 300	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:44:57 - [96] - Quote #BURNYULAI Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.
Hans Bonderstadt Resonance Cascade. 50	Posted - 2015.05.12 20:46:32 - [97] - Quote Vorion Atreides wrote: a++a¦ê+ä-£Gö£Gö¼Gö¦Gö¼Gö¦ PsstGÇª you wanna buy some dongers? le ebic meme xDD upboated ! how much ?? !!!! captain of the uss ebic Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦Gä¦S; pls removarino the kebabarino
Kerena Alabel TerminalDogma Stain Confederation 24	Posted - 2015.05.12 23:51:16 - [98] - Quote KaRa DaVuT wrote: #BURNYULAI Co-signed.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1204	Posted - 2015.05.13 00:07:19 - [99] - Quote Kerena Alabel wrote: KaRa DaVuT wrote: #BURNYULAI Co-signed. All according to plan. Good..... good. The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Max Singularity House Singularity 146	Posted - 2015.05.13 03:26:15 - [100] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: You know, interestingly enough, Eifyr & Co was a participant or supporter of the Sisters' ship construction effort. Their logo is on the warp drive ring of the Stratios, even. Huh. ... huh. huh.... Huh.... HUH... Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden -First of his name- ((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 730	Posted - 2015.05.13 05:14:05 - [101] - Quote Max Singularity wrote: huh.... Huh.... HUH... Please say you didn't just make the "joke" I think you did, your allegedly imperial highness.
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 94	Posted - 2015.05.15 18:02:11 - [102] - Quote An update from the DED is available here The DED has reported releasing The Scope employees Lina Ambre and Gaunia Octeyncaere. I sincerely hope this to be the case, and would call for them to make a statement regarding the events of the past week. The DED also report that the video footage The Scope released appeared to have been six months to one year old. Thankfully for the moment they finally seem to be investigating why Eifyr & Co. withheld such information and their possibly engagement in negligence leading to Hilen Tukoss's presumed death. It is interesting however that CONCORD do not believe it was possible for him to have survived via cloning. While the footage appears to show Hilen Tukoss's ship being destroyed in Anoikis, it is well known that subspace frequencies allow for the activating of clones even at such great distances. I wonder if they information that has led to this assumption. Further more i now ask, if the information concerning the age of the footage is correct, could the Drifters have been staging for an assault vs another entity? Assuming so, and their now apparent interest the Jove observatories in our space, i would speculate that the Drifters may have launched an incursion into Jove space, and through them assimilated the information on our civilizations. I am, understudied in the matter. Perhaps one with more knowledge on the Jove than i could provide more information. Finally i would call for pilots to remain on high alert. Until this matter is fully investigated and the Drifters purpose known, it is in the interest of everyone's safety to keep preparing for the defense of our space. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Tyrel Toov Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 370	Posted - 2015.05.15 18:11:59 - [103] - Quote FREEDOM!!! \Gùï/ I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 513	Posted - 2015.05.15 18:22:27 - [104] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Max Singularity wrote: huh.... Huh.... HUH... Please say you didn't just make the "joke" I think you did, your allegedly imperial highness. 1. 2.
Sinjin Mokk Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 111	Posted - 2015.05.15 20:27:27 - [105] - Quote "As focus shifts toward revealing why the footage was concealed for so long, both Lina Ambre and Gaunia Octeyncaere have been released without charge and continue to assist with the Inner Circle investigation, while a still unidentified former employee of Eifyr & Co remains in DED custody without formal charges having been raised." Until we actually see them, their "release" is suspicious. Perhaps they're still continuing to assist at gunpoint? Or perhaps with the help of TCMCs? And who is this "last employee" who is being held without charge? Speaking of release, perhaps someone should release the Comm records of every prostitute on Yulai VIII? Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7019	Posted - 2015.05.15 22:22:17 - [106] - Quote With due respect, Mokk, lay off the drop. I know the hallucinations and paranoia are hard to cope with, but therapeutic regimen exist and can be very helpful, provided you stay away. That said, the last employee was the former employee of Eifyr & Co that actually stole the recording, and sold it to the Scope. Now, had he or she simply leaked the recording to the Scope, I'd applaud the prisoner as a diligent and dedicated citizen, serving the common good. The requirement of payment, though, muddles the prisoner's intent and makes his or her motives suspect. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Anyanka Funk Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 83	Posted - 2015.05.15 22:59:23 - [107] - Quote It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here. Signature removed due to inappropriate content - CCP Falcon
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2166	Posted - 2015.05.15 23:16:46 - [108] - Quote How much did you see or care about these particular Scope employees before this incident. Not at all is my bet, since I doubt any of us even knew these particular people existed. Nor did we have any particular reason to. So why should after their release be any different? It would be nice for them to make a statement for our peace of mind, but the absence of such a statement does not indicate any kind of conspiracy.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1151	Posted - 2015.05.15 23:48:01 - [109] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: With due respect, Mokk, lay off the drop. I know the hallucinations and paranoia are hard to cope with, but therapeutic regimen exist and can be very helpful, provided you stay away. That said, the last employee was the former employee of Eifyr & Co that actually stole the recording, and sold it to the Scope. Now, had he or she simply leaked the recording to the Scope, I'd applaud the prisoner as a diligent and dedicated citizen, serving the common good. The requirement of payment, though, muddles the prisoner's intent and makes his or her motives suspect. The former employee may well not be a prisoner now, but rather in protective custody. There's more going on here than we know as yet. That fleet had gathered for something, and if not to fight us then who? The Drifters taking corpses and stripping the Jove structures could well be desperate re-arming/repairs. Until we know who they were fighting we should keep preparing for war but remain open minded about who is an ally.
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 95	Posted - 2015.05.16 00:45:45 - [110] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: How much did you see or care about these particular Scope employees before this incident. Not at all is my bet, since I doubt any of us even knew these particular people existed. Nor did we have any particular reason to. So why should after their release be any different? It would be nice for them to make a statement for our peace of mind, but the absence of such a statement does not indicate any kind of conspiracy. Ignoring the fact that your opinion on who cares about who is a complete assumption without any basis in factual reasoning, i would respond with 'Because it is important we get to hear from the people held captive during the event, rather then just the captors' As for the rest of you. I would appreciate it greatly if you could take your accusations on who the druggie is to a different thread so that it does not clog this one up. I do believe you migrated the discussion here from a different thread, so please take it back. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7020	Posted - 2015.05.16 01:00:36 - [111] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here. And yet the report of the Scope employees' release was distributed by Alton Haveri of the Scope. Law of logical parsimony, to reference the logic you clearly hold so dear. The DED says they released the Scope employees, and the Scope broadcast it as news. Simplest explanation is that the event indeed occured that way. It requires rather more convoluted or fantastical thinking to come up with situations where the prisoners are 'released,' but held under duress while the Scope broadcasts misinformation, or to engage in nonconsensual cybernetic surgery while somehow concealing this fact from the Scope. What's more, Funk, consider that Mokk seemed to claim to not know who the 'last employee' was, despite that his position in the scandal has been fairly well identified, and his name is irrelevant compared to his actions of theft of data and sale of that data to the Scope, which precipitated this whole mess. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Anyanka Funk Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 83	Posted - 2015.05.16 02:37:59 - [112] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Anyanka Funk wrote: It's funny when people disagree with someone and cannot prove said someone wrong they revert to accusations of drug use as proof that said someone is wrong. Not very intelligent, but for those of us that do use logic, quite funny. It seems to be a recurring theme here. And yet the report of the Scope employees' release was distributed by Alton Haveri of the Scope. Law of logical parsimony, to reference the logic you clearly hold so dear. The DED says they released the Scope employees, and the Scope broadcast it as news. Simplest explanation is that the event indeed occured that way. It requires rather more convoluted or fantastical thinking to come up with situations where the prisoners are 'released,' but held under duress while the Scope broadcasts misinformation, or to engage in nonconsensual cybernetic surgery while somehow concealing this fact from the Scope. What's more, Funk, consider that Mokk seemed to claim to not know who the 'last employee' was, despite that his position in the scandal has been fairly well identified, and his name is irrelevant compared to his actions of theft of data and sale of that data to the Scope, which precipitated this whole mess. Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations. I also agree with Sahriah that the accusations of drug use derailments be moved back to the thread they came from. Signature removed due to inappropriate content - CCP Falcon
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2166	Posted - 2015.05.16 03:19:08 - [113] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations. I also agree with Sahriah that the accusations of drug use derailments be moved back to the thread they came from. There is nothing to disprove. Mokk is the one who came up with a conspiracy theory that doesn't fit the current evidence. Mokk is the one who needs to provide evidence in the first place & like all good conspiracy theories he hasn't.
Ashlar Maidstone Moonfyre Science and Research Inc. 180	Posted - 2015.05.16 03:55:55 - [114] - Quote Signed, I too will request that all information be handed over so that I may make an informed judgement call on this matter as soon as possible, knowing the DED is pretty slow about this it's pretty crucial not to be wasting time.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7022	Posted - 2015.05.16 16:18:10 - [115] - Quote Sahriah BloodStone wrote: As for the rest of you. I would appreciate it greatly if you could take your accusations on who the druggie is to a different thread so that it does not clog this one up. I do believe you migrated the discussion here from a different thread, so please take it back. Mokk's theories were posted here, and I responded to them here. The discussion did not originate elsewhere. Thank you, but even you discount his theories without much thought, so it seems fair that I do the same, if perhaps more vocally. Anyanka Funk wrote: Your arguments still do not disprove anything Mokk has said and seem like naive attempts to disprove a legitimate theory with silly accusations. Please refer again to this Galnet summary of the law of parsimony. Mokk's theories are more convoluted than the simple theory that the Scope report about a DED release is true, and require additional factors that we have no suggestion of at present; simply, it is not an elegant theory, and requires more (rather biased, I'd add) assumptions about the DED and Scope. Ultimately, the burden of proof is on him to establish why those theories are worth considering, as without some proven basis for those theories, they're significantly weaker than the evident fact of the Scope personnel's release. To say it in a more pithy way: I also can't disprove that the DED haven't engaged in mind control with me, you, or half the cluster, but lacking any evidence in favor of that theory, we may consider it extremely weak and ignore it in favor of the theory that the DED, in fact, are not engaged in mass mind control. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
DJ-Thomas Eve Radio Corporation Eve Radio Alliance 3	Posted - 2015.05.16 19:04:28 - [116] - Quote FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday. In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence. There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release. The capsuleers that attended were as follows: DJ-Thomas Commander Whitford A Wet Nappy 198727 Cyrano Garjuiji Raetar Kurvora Eija-Riitta Veitonen Freelancer117 LosAzteca Aden Ordinii COMFF DJ Cai DJ Helixdragon Frenjo Borkstar Caeaden Khaprice Reya Ahrire We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome. ENDS
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 96	Posted - 2015.05.17 00:46:43 - [117] - Quote DJ-Thomas wrote: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday. In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence. There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release. The capsuleers that attended were as follows: DJ-Thomas Commander Whitford A Wet Nappy 198727 Cyrano Garjuiji Raetar Kurvora Eija-Riitta Veitonen Freelancer117 LosAzteca Aden Ordinii COMFF DJ Cai DJ Helixdragon Frenjo Borkstar Caeaden Khaprice Reya Ahrire We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome. ENDS We thank you for your efforts in this matter. Sadly i was unaware of this initiative or i may have attended. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Tyrel Toov Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 372	Posted - 2015.05.17 01:41:10 - [118] - Quote DJ-Thomas wrote: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: The EvE Radio Corporation on behalf of, and in solidarity with, our now released journalist brother and sister held a peaceful demonstration at the Protest Monument in Jita, this past Wednesday. In a show of force which included at least five battleships assorted frigates and other vessels, we continuously bombarded the statue for a period of six hours. One of our number was unfortunately subject to brutality by the Caldari Navy but aside from that there was no violence. There was a substantial CONCORD presence throughout and we hope that this contributed in some way toward their release. The capsuleers that attended were as follows: DJ-Thomas Commander Whitford A Wet Nappy 198727 Cyrano Garjuiji Raetar Kurvora Eija-Riitta Veitonen Freelancer117 LosAzteca Aden Ordinii COMFF DJ Cai DJ Helixdragon Frenjo Borkstar Caeaden Khaprice Reya Ahrire We would like to thank all of those who attended, to further this important cause which has now secured the desired outcome. ENDS Wait, bombing something is considered a peaceful act now? Aww, yeah, we are going to be spreading peace now. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Sinjin Mokk Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 112	Posted - 2015.05.17 02:19:01 - [119] - Quote I actually don't use drugs.Ms. Priano. Though I admit I had to check my drink because I see you made this post, but it's all Diana Kim's words. She's getting very good at ventriloquism, because half the Caldari Bloc is beginning to sound like her. Logical parsimony? Who has the better intel? The person who works for an organization that has had insider knowledge of the DED for decades or the person who is basing her opinion on what the DED spoon-feeds her? They're using you. All of you. CONCORD, the DED, the SSOE, all of them. Yet even when presented with proof that they've been lying and playing your for fools, you continue to clutch at their hems like frightened children. They will never allow peace because peace means they're out of a job. Peace means they can't skim ISK off the top of every government and capsuleer in the cluster. So do you think with your logical parsimony, is it more believable that they're backpedaling because a whistle-blower or two pulled their pants down, or some naughty reporters and conspiracy theorists are just trying to make them look bad? You're a smart girl. Think past the party line for once. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
DJ-Thomas Eve Radio Corporation Eve Radio Alliance 3	Posted - 2015.05.17 03:05:13 - [120] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Wait, bombing something is considered a peaceful act now? Aww, yeah, we are going to be spreading peace now. Shooting the protest monument has been a legitimate and effective form of protest for many years now and remains so even after all this time. No damage was done as blank ammunition was used and no laws were broken. Sahriah BloodStone wrote: We thank you for your efforts in this matter. Sadly i was unaware of this initiative or i may have attended. It was a spontaneous protest which I decided on as part of my scheduled programme that evening. We did try our best to advertise both across the radio network, GalNet and local communication channels.
yrow Paradex Soldiers Without Boarders. 0	Posted - 2015.05.17 04:36:45 - [121] - Quote Signed.
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2176	Posted - 2015.05.17 05:00:32 - [122] - Quote DJ-Thomas wrote: Shooting the protest monument has been a legitimate and effective form of protest for many years now and remains so even after all this time. No damage was done as blank ammunition was used and no laws were broken. Pretty sure you mean no effective damage was done due to the station class shielding on the monument. It's not been an effective form of protest for years also. It's been effective once ever and that was when hundreds were involved around the clock, not a mere handful thinking they had influence when Concord just worked through what they wanted.
Akrasjel Lanate Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1780	Posted - 2015.05.17 06:42:05 - [123] - Quote The release of The Scope employees was really a matter of time... but whatever. Akrasjel Lanate Member of Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance Citizen of Solitude
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 96	Posted - 2015.05.17 17:27:26 - [124] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: The release of The Scope employees was really a matter of time... but whatever. I mean..i THINK they'll do the right thing..eventually right? Yeah lets not worry about their blatant abuse of power, or the fact they don't seem to care about a hidden video showing hundreds of potentially hostile ships. Its all fine guys don't worry. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7024	Posted - 2015.05.17 18:08:48 - [125] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Though I admit I had to check my drink because I see you made this post, but it's all Diana Kim's words. She's getting very good at ventriloquism, because half the Caldari Bloc is beginning to sound like her. Logical parsimony? Who has the better intel? The person who works for an organization that has had insider knowledge of the DED for decades or the person who is basing her opinion on what the DED spoon-feeds her? I'll give you this, Mokk, you're good for a laugh. Please. Do share your insider knowledge indicating that the Scope, under duress, reported falsely that their staff had been released by the DED; or please do share your insider knowledge that the DED surreptitiously suborned the Scope employees by way of implanting them with TCMCs. I'll happily wait for you to produce a shred of evidence, rather than engaging in laughable attacks on me, or falsely claiming knowledge. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1732	Posted - 2015.05.18 12:03:03 - [126] - Quote I don't believe that this creepy defector is dead. Dr. Tukoss has disappeared once, I bet he has managed to save his worthless life this time as well. As for scope reporters, I am utterly disappointed that they let them out. I won't comment why. As for arguing with Makoto and her "evidences", please take note, that she, besides being a honorless coward, is a well known liar, and that was pretty much documented. So, if anyone would want some evidences, drop me a mail.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7026	Posted - 2015.05.18 16:23:41 - [127] - Quote Never change, Kim. Never change. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Kirk Ernaga Arbiters of the Void Advent of Fate 6	Posted - 2015.05.18 19:03:02 - [128] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: I don't believe that this creepy defector is dead. Dr. Tukoss has disappeared once, I bet he has managed to save his worthless life this time as well. As for scope reporters, I am utterly disappointed that they let them out. I won't comment why. As for arguing with Makoto and her "evidences", please take note, that she, besides being a honorless coward, is a well known liar, and that was pretty much documented. So, if anyone would want some evidences, drop me a mail. Why not post them here for all to see?
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7027	Posted - 2015.05.18 22:39:13 - [129] - Quote Oh, my pleasure, Ernaga. After this, though, we should return to a discussion of the summit itself. I'm a coward because I wouldn't accept a challenge to duel over the slight of calling the madwoman a madwoman; I'm a liar because I jokingly misremembered her flying a Dominix at the siege breakout attempt at Haatomo when the Heth attempted his coup; and I also insist on calling her a Provist, which she denies as she isn't in Templis Dragonaur, despite her many years of Heth cheerleading and her being almost hilariously distraught over his fall from grace. That's the summary. To bring it back to the Pakhshi conference, it was an unfortunate turn that she was originally on the Caldari delegation, as I can't think of a person more poorly suited to discussing international cooperation as Diana Kim. That said, Tuulinen-haan, thank you for the response. It's always good to hear who is deserving of esteem, as we sometimes don't see all we might hope of these events 'til their conclusion. What's more, I'm glad Haritimado-haani is turning out well. As she's a new hire with Itsukame-Zainou, I'm glad my faith in her level-headedness has been validated. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Sinjin Mokk Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 112	Posted - 2015.05.19 01:58:22 - [130] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: [ I'll give you this, Mokk, you're good for a laugh. Please. Do share your insider knowledge indicating that the Scope, under duress, reported falsely that their staff had been released by the DED; or please do share your insider knowledge that the DED surreptitiously suborned the Scope employees by way of implanting them with TCMCs. I'll happily wait for you to produce a shred of evidence, rather than engaging in laughable attacks on me, or falsely claiming knowledge. Ah, so now I've ceased to be a drug abuser and now I'm a comedian. The joke is on you sweetheart. And no, the onus is on you and/or the DED to prove me wrong. Trot out these reporters. Show us they are free and not under duress. Free that last captive. Make the DED give something approaching transparency on the Drifter threat. Do that, and I will gladly proffer a public apology. By the way, your attempts to discredit me are starting to sound a bit desperate. And your attempts at aping Amarrian haughtiness and arrogance are just...sad. Really. Do try for a shred of self-respect if you're going to mewl at your betters in public. Ta! Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2192	Posted - 2015.05.19 02:02:15 - [131] - Quote Mokk, you are the one attempting to discredit DED here..... and you are just regurgitating the same line over and over when even their employer has said they have been released. Onus is on you to show this is more than a wild conspiracy theory. Additionally since they have been released, how is DED meant to trot them out at all?
Dradis Aulmais RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic 833	Posted - 2015.05.21 13:20:16 - [132] - Quote Dradis Aulmais wrote: The DED is required under their charter to return all arrested non-capsilers to the Empire of Citizenship with in 48 hours. The last report i seen about my clients shows me that the DED still has them under detainment not the Federation Police Force. As for the allegations the DED has made against my clients, The video in question is not categorized as a TRADE SECRET, under the Industrial Espionage Act. In order to be categorized as a Trade Secrete it must met the following criteria: 1. Be or Show production techniques, materials, or schematics 2. Material that shows or disseminates capabilities of a corporation or government force. 3. BE material asset to a hostile force. As the video does not met any of the above criteria for the corporation that had filed the petition, my clients can not be charge as listed. The Drifters would be the one filing the petition as it shows their fleet capabilities and corporate activities. The petition would then be thrown out because the video was captured by a non-drifter employee. The Scope being a registered News agency, the Scope has protection under the Freedom of the Press Act. The Freedom of the Press act allows the dissemination of classified information if the news agency did not actively participate in the theft of the material. The DED has by their own admission stated that this information was sold to the Scope and not stolen by them. The employee who sold the video is protected under the Federal Whistle Blower Act, as this video shows a clear cover up by a corporation and government official of a emerging threat to the empire. FREE THE SCOPE 3 http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/eifyr-and-co.-summoned-by-inner-circle/ Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896 Free The Scope Three
Tyrel Toov Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 379	Posted - 2015.05.21 16:51:01 - [133] - Quote Sinjin Mokk wrote: Ah, so now I've ceased to be a drug abuser and now I'm a comedian. The joke is on you sweetheart. For he is both a drug abuser and a comedian. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

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