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Daphne Organa Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.05.14 19:58:30 -
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exactly this was my fit |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
138
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:23:31 -
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Daphne Organa Agalder wrote:exactly this was my fit
. . . and that is why you lost that ship.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Kaye Kaye
Mining and Trade
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:46:03 -
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Daphne Organa Agalder wrote:Hello
I have been playing Eve for more than a year and i have just started training level 4 missions.
I have bought a raven with arbalest cruise missiles.
The world collide is awfully difficult and i lost my ship quickly even for the damsel in distress
Which skills do you advice me in priority?
i have got
battleship skill level 3
cruise missiles skills level 4
shield management level 4
Do you think raven is a good ship?
Gila, it's a decent mission ship, use Vespa Navy Issue Drones.
It's the best first mission running ship, since you get a decent tank and full drone bonus.
Always kill the small frigs first as you align to an object to warp out if needed.
On Damsel you should warp to around 70km out instead of right in the mix.
Best
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Paranoid Loyd
5139
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Posted - 2015.05.14 20:50:12 -
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I'm no expert with the Raven, but there are a few general pointers I can give.
You seemed to be trying to cover all of the resists on your shield tank. This is not necessary for mission running as each faction you fight will have a specific resist profile so a much stronger tank can be achieved by tanking for those specific resists.
Using damage mods allows you to kill things faster and thus reduces the necessity for such a strong capacitor.
Using an MJD will also further supplement your tank, if you are taking a considerable amount of damage, you can jump away from your enemies allowing you to take less damage due to the increased range they need to shoot to hit you.
Dual tanking can be useful in niche situations but as a general rule is not recommended. If you take armor damage during a mission, you can always refit at the station and repair while not under attack.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
139
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Posted - 2015.05.14 23:42:55 -
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Problem with your fit was that you were trying to reinforce your tank to make up for the poor dps you were trying to dish out.
Here is a better fit for you, using a lot of what you already have:
rigs: you could stay with the 3 rigors.
HIgh: 6 x Arbalest launchers, using Caldari cruise
Mids:
X-L SB, or get a faction, or pith B, (they're pretty cheap)
Ionic S. B., or TII
2 x mission specific hardeners, for ie: against Guristas, one kinetic, one Thermal; Sansha, one em, one therm.
1 x mission specific amplifier, for ie; against Guristas, one kintic; sansha, one therm.
Heavy Cap booster, F-S9 or TII, with 800 charges, put about 15 in the hold.
MJD, I used one a couple of times, found no need, it caused more problems, but for a new person it could help. (maybe a TP)
Lows;
4 x BCU II, you need as much dps as possible, the longer it takes to clear a room, the more damage you take
Dam. Control II
(Maybe 3 BCU II, DC II, and a Signal Amp)
10 x T2 light drones.
The above fit will work just fine in every instance. If you get in trouble, and find your pulsing the shield booster more that your capacitor can keep up, even with the cap boosters, if your level drops below 50%, GTFO, don't bother with the MJD, you need to recoup, recharge, and jump back in the mission fresh.
I lost my first Raven, in my 3rd L4. It was a terrible fit.
After time, after running hundreds of L4s, they will become boring. So boring that you may fall asleep, as I did with a CNR. (no further comments)
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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erg cz
Tribal Core
251
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Posted - 2015.05.15 07:48:42 -
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Ion Kirst wrote:.
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HIgh: 6 x Arbalest launchers, using Caldari cruise
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Heavy Cap booster, F-S9 or TII, with 800 charges, put about 15 in the hold.
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Faction ammo and cap booster charges will eat your profit. Just saying... |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1643
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Posted - 2015.05.15 11:30:23 -
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erg cz wrote:Ion Kirst wrote:.
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HIgh: 6 x Arbalest launchers, using Caldari cruise
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Heavy Cap booster, F-S9 or TII, with 800 charges, put about 15 in the hold.
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Faction ammo and cap booster charges will eat your profit. Just saying...
ammo - yes, booster charges - nope. At least regular charges.
For missiles i prefer T2 ones - they cheap almost like T1s 
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
139
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Posted - 2015.05.15 13:48:58 -
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Daphne was already using Arbalest launchers and Caldari ammo.
If she could use T2 launchers, I'd go with T2 missles.
Being young, she should use a cap booster, as she will be using her X-L shield booster a lot. Cap rechargers, or flux coils, can only do so much, and the later shouldn't be used at all, since they take up slots for BCUs, that are needed.
When making 15M to 40M per mission, those costs are minimal anyways.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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stoicfaux
5587
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Posted - 2015.05.15 16:03:01 -
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Raven a la Liang is the base Raven setup for Level 4s. Tweak it as needed, e.g. LMJD. Also, stuff the drone bay full of light drones for killing frigates (hobgoblins work well against all NPC faction frigates,) don't bother with mediums.
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
427
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Posted - 2015.05.15 23:55:54 -
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Daphne Organa Agalder wrote:Hello
shield management level 4
Do you think raven is a good ship?
Anything that can hit + target to 100-115km and fit a MicroJumpDrive - as you start out is perfect. Sniper fits negate a ton of damage and you can adjust tank/gank as you get more comfortable.
Watch out for guristas battleships - they have really good range (110-130km). |
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
583
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Posted - 2015.05.16 12:53:05 -
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delete please
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat dessert first!
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Daphne Organa Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2015.05.17 19:56:35 -
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yes i lost my ship in world collide |
Daphne Organa Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2015.05.17 20:02:41 -
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Would a large shield extender 2 would be efficient also? |
Gh0stBust3rs
Wraith Shadow Guards
60
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Posted - 2015.05.17 22:13:52 -
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You make me wish i could be active enough right now to teach you. Stuck overseas with **** internet so that isnt an option yet.
Almost all setups Resists > Buffer
You can see who your missioning against and fit specific hardeners.
If your running a missile setup a target painter is your best friend for cruisers and frigates(Drones as well)
Most missions with proper cap management you only need about 8-10 minutes of cap. Cap stable is not the end all be all some think it is.
This is somewhat dated but the information is mostly good https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6781003/EvE/Quick%20Reference%20Sheet%20by%20Korgan%20Nailo.pdf |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
141
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Posted - 2015.05.17 23:47:52 -
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Daphne Organa Agalder wrote:Would a large shield extender 2 would be efficient also?
OK, let's go over this again.
Daphne, the reason you lost your ship was because you 1, didn't fit it properly; 2, maybe don't have enough skills to fly a BS.
So, you used 3 Cap Flux Coils. Trying to make a Raven isn't the right thing to do, don't use them.
You used no damage mods, where you should have used at least 3 BCUs
You used a small armor repairer. As said may times here in the forums, it is not wise to mix shield and armor defenses. Only use one.
You used a cap recharger. In this case it was also an error.
You used wrong shield resists. If you went up against the Guristas in W. C., the incoming damage would be Kinetic first, and Thermal second. You should have used, Kinetic Deflection Field II, Kinetic Deflection Amp II, and a Thermic Dissipation Field II.
I don't know what more can be said, than what many have already said in reply. We've shown you fits that work like Liang's. I suggest you try it.
For you to even ask: "would a large shield extender" have helped, means that you still haven't grasped on how to fit a Raven for L4s.
NO, a large shield extender would not have helped.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Drazok
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.05.18 06:51:36 -
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Every one always posts a snipe paper tank build and you wonder why the newbs die. This fit is the brick house I used to learn lv 4s, slow but very forgiving, little lite on the dps but meh.
High
6 CML T2 if you can , faction ammo or plan
Med
XL boster
3 t2 hardeners
2 shield boost amps
1 cap recharger
Low
2 x BCU
3X flux coil
Rigs
3x CCC
dones
5 light
5 med
brick tank that you can't lose if you try.
Drones are meh with raven but bring em to clean up the frigs. This is not the fastest 4lv running but its not one you will lose either. Fit more gank as you get conformable with flying it.
This is cap stable with solid cap skills. its your cap/cpu/grid skill are not solid (lv5) do some more lv3s while you train up. |
Julius Priscus
352
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Posted - 2015.05.18 19:54:31 -
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find a fit that you like. skill towards it .. then carry on perfecting that skills sets.
very least skill towards it as if you was flying with t2 mods. |
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