Just tried this on SiSi. Confirmed 2728ms 10mn AB (1 overdrive ,skirm link, HG snakes. Corelum C-type AB will probably move this up to an A-type after patch to get more speed). The agility is amazing can pull off a 5km orbit at ~1700ms and only slings me out to about 9000m. Scram, Web, injector, 1 EM hard, and medium active booster.

I welcome this new addition to my hangar of viable meaningful ships come patch date. Thank you CCP.

It depends what you're doing in it. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be PvP'ing with officer and deadspace modules on my Jackdaw if I could help it.

In fact, for PvP, T2 is generally where you start and stop.

As for PvE... you probably wouldn't choose to do it in this.

I am not credulous enough to believe that a dedicated frigate/destroyer hunter should be unable to kill a frigate/destroyer with a weapon designed for fighting frigates/destroyers on a frigate/destroyer killing platform because said frigate/destroyer can "approximately tank my burst".

That's called broken. There needs to be a natural order to things and this is not it. A ship one size catagory up than you using the appropriate weapon should be able to MURDER you. Permatanking my caracal is a complete joke and when I killed that cerb was even worse.

Should read *Battleship>ABC>cruisers>destroyers>frigates>ABC*. Take a 1v1 basis and show me the BS fitted for solo that loses to a single frig. In gangs, Muninn, Zealot, Ishtar and Caldari HACs easily escape that scheme, but they were tailored to do exactly that in larger numbers. Else, in a XvX scenario, BS would very likely still triumph over other choices, since your sig/movespeed barely matters once you're triplewebbed and the attackers are spread 15km away from each other, meaning you can only outrun the tracking of one at a time. It's the type of downsides they bring for big scales that dequalify them for doing what they'd supposed to be best at.

Most people are godawful at flying BS, you see footage of people approaching T1 cruisers and shooting void instead of keeping range and a lot more oftenly I experience that, being shot by a bigger hull without any efforts by the pilot to minimize transversal. Then those usually come around *BS are ***** when they are just bad themselves actually.
Talking fleets is obviously a completely different thing, with collective volley being as high as you wish (just write CTA to that ping) and bombers being as cheap/effective/efficient as they are.

As it currently stands though, destroyers are arguably in the worst space out of all ships atm. They got poor tanks with the exception of overpropped+unwebbed T3Ds, huge sigs and are moving very slowly in general. Less adressing the base speed but their propped ones. The Talwar is the one viable destroyer - only due to its mwd-sigrad-bonus and acceptable speed for a LML boat with 70km range.

FWIW one of the devs in days gone by said that the game was balanced around cruiser combat so with that in mind they will form the base of the pyramid.

Hey everyone. Thanks for the feedback so far, especially those of you who have been testing on SISI.

We're making a couple tweaks that should be in the next SISI build for you to try out.

• Changing the 5% shield HP bonus to a +50 shield HP per level (generally toning down the bonus a bit, especially when fitting multiple extenders)
• +1 Powergrid
• -50 Shield HP
• +50 Armor HP
• +10 Velocity
• +0.2 Inertia
• -50,000kg mass
• -25 scan resolution

Yeah the 50 per level bonus is intentionally one of the weaker ship bonuses, to keep the rest of the package balanced. I am open to considering other bonuses like the ECCM one, and I'm interested in other ideas you folks have for bonuses that don't have a huge impact on the ship power level while remaining flavourful for Caldari.

If you're doing a missile look-at in June too, you need to tell us now. Feedback is worthless without knowing this.

I say this because it was mooted previously.

The main sin with caldari ships seems to be they're balanced around the principle that any role they've got in a fleet can easily be filled by any equivalent. The same is not said in the reverse. What scenarios prompt the call for caldari ships over the more flexible gallente and minmatar ships?

I can guarantee to you that having it any other way would simply result in a broken game where everyone flies the same ships.

So the svipul and confessors get a nerf and then an OP jackdaw is released... Why? CCP terribad with releasing these new ships. Release then nerf. How long til the jackdaw gets its nerf? Right before the next D3 is released prolly.

I don't know what people mean by it being slow, it's faster than every t1 destroyer in the game

And that's what prop mode is for. Only a duo-nano/OIS cane is faster than it out of prop mode, and with a OSI and a engine housing a jackdaw is faster than that fit overheated.

I also doubt your cane aligns faster than an interceptor (which I find bizarre).