Or.... we could make Battleships actually have EHP worth calling them battleships, rather than barely more than Cruisers and Battlecruisers. And then Battleships would actually fill exactly what you want already.
And without any higher local rep amount they are still just as killable by a frigate, they will just take a little longer to peck to death.

Or.... we could make Battleships actually have EHP worth calling them battleships, rather than barely more than Cruisers and Battlecruisers. And then Battleships would actually fill exactly what you want already.
And without any higher local rep amount they are still just as killable by a frigate, they will just take a little longer to peck to death.

Or.... we could make Battleships actually have EHP worth calling them battleships, rather than barely more than Cruisers and Battlecruisers. And then Battleships would actually fill exactly what you want already.
And without any higher local rep amount they are still just as killable by a frigate, they will just take a little longer to peck to death.

i want so much q.q

but when doing this it should be done by adding hit points and not resists or triage will become even stronger than it is

Or.... we could make Battleships actually have EHP worth calling them battleships, rather than barely more than Cruisers and Battlecruisers.

you guys all missed the main point, that current capitals force you to train for 30 days for something you dont use in wormholes (jump drives).

They can already easily get 180k, rather than the 40k that cruisers get and the 80k that battlecruisers get.

I too wondered why I'm supposed to train jumpskills so high if I can't even jump. Now, you don't even need a jump drive anymore, since caps can take gates. Should replace those 30d of JD training with 30d of universally applicable skills for the ship, like capital local repairs to IV, siege/triage to IV, racial turret IV or capital remote assistance modules to IV, and then the prereqs to those to replace those 30d training time.

You don't need a JD to make use of a carrier/dread, but you do need the siege/triage and either dps or RR skills.

For he same reason you need jump skill for a JF which could always use gates or armor skills for shield AF.

You can train into logistics without remote rep or remote cap transfer skills.

They are part time sinks and part meaningfull requirement. What if CCP told you "fine you won't have to train for jump drive anymore and just prevented caps from entering and being produced in WH? Would you be happy to no longer need to train 30 days?

Or.... we could make Battleships actually have EHP worth calling them battleships, rather than barely more than Cruisers and Battlecruisers. And then Battleships would actually fill exactly what you want already.
And without any higher local rep amount they are still just as killable by a frigate, they will just take a little longer to peck to death.

So...I dont get your argument, you are happy that there is a time sink..? Well, I am not. Hence, my post on the forum.

Or.... we could make Battleships actually have EHP worth calling them battleships, rather than barely more than Cruisers and Battlecruisers. And then Battleships would actually fill exactly what you want already.
And without any higher local rep amount they are still just as killable by a frigate, they will just take a little longer to peck to death.

This is really a thread where HTFU applies.

OP, we do not need another half-assed crapital ship for people to lose. *cough*Bowhead*cough*

Just train the jump drive skills. Trust me, when you eventually get bored of capital escalations and move back into k-space, you'll have another 3 months of training jump drive skills, on top of the month you've already spent, to be able to keep up with the other carrier pilots.

If you're really that unhappy with having to train the jump drive skills, then don't fly a carrier. It really is that simple.

""Just train the jump drive skills"" and ""Trust me"" are not a persuasive argument. And ""we dont need"" is even worse.

I shall ignore your words until you come up with a coherent argument for
a) why jump drive skills must be trained for a situation where they will never be used, and
b) why rectifying this anomaly is bad for gameplay.

"CCP needs money therefore needless timesink" is a valid answer.

Why do you get to be a special snowflake that gets a specially designed ship, whose sole purpose is to allow you to more efficiently farm isk, simply because you don't want to train jump drive skills?

See my reasons in the original post. In a section called "reasons". Where I dont say i want this ship for PvE, but for PvP.

And if you don't think this new capital ship wont be used more effeciently farm isk, then you're utterly delusional. A ship capital ship that doesn't require the length of time to train that a capital ship does is simply a bad idea.

But, since you really want it, I'll go ahead and point out the flaws in your reasons.

1. Just because you don't ever plan on taking your carrier out of the wormhole doesn't mean it's not possible to do so. Carriers are perfectly capable of travelling through wormholes.
2. Because no one ever plans ahead in this game and sneaks a few dozen capitals into a hole over time.
3. Really? You're saying it's hard to wait for a nice hole to highsec and bring a freighter in? Wow, I didn't realize the wormhole corp I lived with a couple years ago was so elite in being able to bring two or three freighters of stuff into our c6 every week.
4. If it's restricted to wormholes, you'd have to build it there. Of course, you'd still need a freighter full of minerals to build one of these, so might as well build a carrier or dread. It takes about 155k m3 of minerals to build a domi. If your bad idea ship is 3 times the size of a battleship, then it'd take 3 times the minerals, or about 465k m3, aka a freighter of minerals. On the other hand, if you manufacture the components in highsec and haul just the components into a wormhole, thats 139k m3 to build an archon, according to eve-cost, or two DSTs and a blockade runner.
5. Sure, the isk faucet remains unchanged... oh, except for all those people who now suddenly can fly the equavilent of 3 battleships on each character they have in the wormhole. Surely that can't possibly effect the isk faucet.