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Bizarre TAOSP	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:21:00 - [1] Since the previous OP got his thread locked before a decent discussion even got started. I'm reposting my report of tonight in the hopes of getting some replies. If there's inaccuracies please feel free to point them out. It started with our dreadnoughts sieging the POSes in H8-, we were busy shooting the last POS in reinforced when our scouts reported a hostile ASCN fleet leaving from AZN into Paragon Soul. At that time we had reports of two additional hostile fleets, one within the vicinity of H8- (2/3 jumps out) and one in 3PPT. The AZN fleet moved closer and closer until they came to a halt 2/3 jumps from H8- in xx-xxx. At that time our dreads came out of siege and moved back to our POS, we had decided to decimate the camp in 3PPT before we continued sieging the H8- POS. Our fleet moved to 3PPT fairly quick (even though we had jump queues and Dian sucking at giving us the correct destination). Once we arrived in 3PPT the majority of the ASCN fleet had warped away from the gate, we managed to kill a few stragglers but not much in the overall picture. Then the order came to move towards the AZN fleet, who were sitting at a jump in unaligned. We moved 5 jumps towards them, but by the time we arrived within 1 jump their fleet was at a safespot or our scouts just couldn't find them. Meanwhile the fleet sitting on the other side of H8- had moved into VY-, one jump from H8-, and were sitting on the H8-gate. Our fleet quickly moved towards the YV-gate in H8- and we began jumping in. The majority of our fleet managed to get into YV- and luckily we loaded up fairly quick, we managed to kill a couple of ASCN once again. A part of our fleet however, was unable to jump into YV- and started ripping into the ASCN ships who jumped from YV- into H8-. After that skirmish had cleared up, we set up on the OZN-gate where the ASCN fleet were jumping. Initially we didn't see much and many of them managed to emergency warp off, but after a few minutes lag cleared out for some of us (myself included). This is where we managed to kill the majority of their fleet, as we had all support on the gate and all battleships slightly further away. ASCN never loaded up properly. During battle one of our scouts reported that aprox. 6 or 7 ASCN dreadnoughts had started sieging our POS in 3PPT. Dian came in his pants and gave the order to move to 3PPT, at this time the engagement on the OZN gate was over. We rushed towards 3PPT and while doing it we even woke up the big man. Our support came in when their dreadnought's siege cycle ended. Due to lag our support managed to scramble 4 dreadnoughts, but one of them managed to run away while were killing another. We ended up killing 2 moros' and 1 phoenix. That's pretty much how things went down from my perspective. In my opinion I think we were in top form tonight, everything we did went perfect. We managed to outmaneuver 3 ASCN fleets and I think I speak on behalf of BoB when I say that this was one hell of an evening. Love to all, Bizarre-Shere --------------------
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:27:00 - [2] Pity that lag seems to have marred it yet again
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:28:00 - [3] Originally by: Bizarre Since the previous OP got his thread locked before a decent discussion even got started. I'm reposting my report of tonight in the hopes of getting some replies. If there's inaccuracies please feel free to point them out. It started with our dreadnoughts sieging the POSes in H8-, we were busy shooting the last POS in reinforced when our scouts reported a hostile ASCN fleet leaving from AZN into Paragon Soul. At that time we had reports of two additional hostile fleets, one within the vicinity of H8- (2/3 jumps out) and one in 3PPT. The AZN fleet moved closer and closer until they came to a halt 2/3 jumps from H8- in xx-xxx. At that time our dreads came out of siege and moved back to our POS, we had decided to decimate the camp in 3PPT before we continued sieging the H8- POS. Our fleet moved to 3PPT fairly quick (even though we had jump queues and Dian sucking at giving us the correct destination). Once we arrived in 3PPT the majority of the ASCN fleet had warped away from the gate, we managed to kill a few stragglers but not much in the overall picture. Then the order came to move towards the AZN fleet, who were sitting at a jump in unaligned. We moved 5 jumps towards them, but by the time we arrived within 1 jump their fleet was at a safespot or our scouts just couldn't find them. Meanwhile the fleet sitting on the other side of H8- had moved into VY-, one jump from H8-, and were sitting on the H8-gate. Our fleet quickly moved towards the YV-gate in H8- and we began jumping in. The majority of our fleet managed to get into YV- and luckily we loaded up fairly quick, we managed to kill a couple of ASCN once again. A part of our fleet however, was unable to jump into YV- and started ripping into the ASCN ships who jumped from YV- into H8-. After that skirmish had cleared up, we set up on the OZN-gate where the ASCN fleet were jumping. Initially we didn't see much and many of them managed to emergency warp off, but after a few minutes lag cleared out for some of us (myself included). This is where we managed to kill the majority of their fleet, as we had all support on the gate and all battleships slightly further away. ASCN never loaded up properly. During battle one of our scouts reported that aprox. 6 or 7 ASCN dreadnoughts had started sieging our POS in 3PPT. Dian came in his pants and gave the order to move to 3PPT, at this time the engagement on the OZN gate was over. We rushed towards 3PPT and while doing it we even woke up the big man. Our support came in when their dreadnought's siege cycle ended. Due to lag our support managed to scramble 4 dreadnoughts, but one of them managed to run away while were killing another. We ended up killing 2 moros' and 1 phoenix. That's pretty much how things went down from my perspective. In my opinion I think we were in top form tonight, everything we did went perfect. We managed to outmaneuver 3 ASCN fleets and I think I speak on behalf of BoB when I say that this was one hell of an evening. Love to all, Bizarre-Shere since I didn't get to add this to the other thread. A well written fair write up. Props to you. ________________________________________ 12 inches of pure t2 cruise missile looove
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Bizarre Stuff... The only thing you're forgetting is that after the dreads had gone down, another (small) ASCN fleet jumped into 3PPT. I can't recall the exact details of that fight, but they lost some BS plus a few other ships there as well. Otherwise a pretty accurate description.. PS: **** LAG!!! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Dr Snarl Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:30:00 - [5] Good writeup Bizarre. Horrible lag and annoyed I could not get the scrambler to actually engage on the dread that got away. They were all open to us. ________________________________________________ "One may smile, and smile, and be a villain" -- William Shakespeare "Forget it, just Snarl" -- Dr Snarl
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:32:00 - [6] Edited by: BoinKlasik on 09/11/2006 23:32:02 Originally by: ParMizaN Pity that lag seems to have marred it yet again wait, do you mean that when im in a fleet fight im NOT supposed to take damage while in warp/cloaked/at a planet? anyway, seems like both threads about this are clean and people had fun, so gj to all! doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Sextus Licinius on 09/11/2006 23:40:42 Nice story, you should write news from the front much often. I'm still waiting for some good news tho (just joking), props for the fights and the multiple engagements. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
Celero Incendium Fist of the Goat	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:37:00 - [8] More posts like this please. Very nice, non-flamebait write up Bizarre. So, did you guys get to use your Avatar? Who was "the big man" that you woke up, I'm guessing it was Shrike/Molle (these are the same person, right?)? Nice stats on the fight by the way. --ci
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:38:00 - [9] My write-up for the RKK forums, it's meant to be "empotional", so please take it in the vein it was meant.
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:47:00 - [10] missed the op, was at work.... come home to this.... i'll be in the back with a bottle of vodka screaming louding "not one, how da **in do you not kill one **in BS" -xian

HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 23:58:00 - [11] Good writeup Bizarre. All lag issues aside, it was a great evening of fun, thanks to all involved. After the fleet battles, every BoB member flew first class back home on BoB Airlines >>> EvE-Online Wallpapers <<<
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:06:00 - [12] you guys are on drugs.. what lag ? i thought the last hardware thing fixed this so called lag join channel Dope Dealerz if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis.
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:07:00 - [13] Great write up Biz mate. I have to say the Titan is amazing. As a logistics tool and a transport machine. Host of The DT show - Thursdays during downtime. Listen to BoB Radio now!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:10:00 - [14] Originally by: DTee Great write up Biz mate. I have to say the Titan is amazing. As a logistics tool and a transport machine. Agreed. Just jumping over to 3ppt so we could all "insta" to h8 and avoid the traffic queues and rubbish is worth having it on the field of play. <3 our newest taxi service :D
Chowdown Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:20:00 - [15] Pretty impressive
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Bizarre ...Dian sucking at giving us the correct destination... That's never happened before has it. Euro Empire/0.0 Gang PvP Recruitment
laotse Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:28:00 - [17] yup you did good we can learn from your dedication imo 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:34:00 - [18] Very nice write up and i LOVE the screen shot! I want a ticket for that ride too! Just to verify; you got the Titan online "half-way" through the Op and used it to jump it and the fleet right into the last ASCN fleet that got killed? Thats how I read it anyway and hot da.mn that sounds cool! Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Notleh Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:52:00 - [19] Edited by: Notleh on 10/11/2006 00:54:22 ....
batloard Amarr Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.10 00:54:00 - [20] good interesting read. This gives insight to whats happening out there.

Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 01:07:00 - [21] Edited by: Brunswick2 on 10/11/2006 01:10:00 Originally by: BoinKlasik anyway, seems like both threads about this are clean and people had fun, so gj to all! No, you suck! Anyway, gf all (even though I couldn't make it) And good post, btw --------------------------------- I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg
Isaak Minmatar eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 01:15:00 - [22] i never read in here, never mind post, but tonight was heart stopping enough to warrant it zero smack and good tactics, I wish the whole war could be conducted in such a manner but it seems it cant. but as pixels on my monitor go, tonights were pretty exciting. \o
Altar Mei Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.11.10 01:21:00 - [23] Sounds like bob had fun, and ASCN is still struggling with tactics/command. You guys are ******* killing me.
Leno 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.10 01:31:00 - [24] sounds like fun, i need to yell at marko and find out where our titan is --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.10 01:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Leno sounds like fun, i need to yell at marko and find out where our titan is still spawning on a veld roid in jita join channel Dope Dealerz if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 02:26:00 - [26] Good read, thank you.
Xeliya Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.11.10 02:43:00 - [27] Good post, was curious what was going down today seeing the hot spots and kill boards. Originally by: HostageTaker After the fleet battles, every BoB member flew first class back home on BoB Airlines Nice to see that 165 billion isk investment is being used ----------
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:49:00 - [28] nice read man. and good op. kudos. kill all hobbits
Deitre Cibrus Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.11.10 05:57:00 - [29] I still want to see a killmail of the Avatar killing an ASCN fleet. Or the other way around. Good job reporting also. ----------- Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread. What is this sig missing?
NeoTech Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 07:46:00 - [30] good discription. But the lag just sucked major ass!. I was one of the people that jumped into H8- (the AZN gang) and i couldn't do ***, only watch as my hull went down and then pop* after a 40 second waiting period. :P I loved the local chat afterwards though. :P

Niraco79 Gallente Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:24:00 - [31] Edited by: Niraco79 on 10/11/2006 08:27:33 First of all BoB was better in this fight. Thank you for learnin me some. I would like to get a quick addition to those spoken by bizzare: Lag description from someone who managed to load the enemy ships on his grid. 1. warp in on the gate. Client pimped with all goodies from these forums, settings as low as i can. Client in window mode and colour depth set to 16B(those backgroudns look awful but it help a lot). Overview with all object not selected. 2. 20 sec of seein the gate clear while i managed to get my enyo to align. Huge spike lag for 10 sec then all ships loaded on screen 3. Load the battle support overview. ~5 sec lag maybe less 4. Hearin 1 primary 1 secondary on TS started to search and target with a slideshow running (but manageble) 5. Target cycle finish, ship appear ready to shoot after 6-7 seconds. Ships is pod now but is targeted even i saw and clicked to target his ship. 6.Guns start to shoot after 10-15 sec 7. Second targeted ship appear on my screen as beein targeted and is 9 km from me 8. Pod is down in 2 guns cycles, but the damage appeared on pod when my guns actually stopped firing. 9. Second inty is 25km from me when the guns actually started to shoot. good i am in enyo i should hit this i thought. At this time i saw one yellow dotting. 10. 12 cycles from guns no damage on the inty. 11. Yellow turn red. no damage to my ship. I clicked warp away. 12. 20 sec pass, no warp 100 points damage on my ship and i saw that was an eagle shootin me 13. now i`m hit by some missiles even i see only eagle shootin on overview. enemy inty started to get damage, but my guns are not shootin(i stopped them to get on a new primary- it took me 30 sec to stop 125 tech 2 rails to shoot) 14. my shields are at 20% and my ship finnaly warped away (around 1 and a half minute after i clicked warp away). My battle was for maximum 5 minutes while i managed to shoot 1 pod and one inty. I think i would rather died in that battle with no lag at all instead havin 5 minutes of powerpoint with ships. This is my experience and represent my only personal point of view. ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:48:00 - [32] Originally by: Niraco79 Lag description... Sounds VERY familiar... I could have written that too My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:48:00 - [33] Is it not a bit chilly to have a bbq so late in the year? --- Lodhi ftg
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:30:00 - [34] Very nice writeup Bizarre.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Niraco79 Lag description from someone who managed to load the enemy ships on his grid. 1. warp in on the gate. Client pimped with all goodies from these forums, settings as low as i can. Client in window mode and colour depth set to 16B(those backgroudns look awful but it help a lot). Overview with all object not selected. 2. 20 sec of seein the gate clear while i managed to get my enyo to align. Huge spike lag for 10 sec then all ships loaded on screen 3. Load the battle support overview. ~5 sec lag maybe less 4. Hearin 1 primary 1 secondary on TS started to search and target with a slideshow running (but manageble) 5. Target cycle finish, ship appear ready to shoot after 6-7 seconds. Ships is pod now but is targeted even i saw and clicked to target his ship. 6.Guns start to shoot after 10-15 sec 7. Second targeted ship appear on my screen as beein targeted and is 9 km from me 8. Pod is down in 2 guns cycles, but the damage appeared on pod when my guns actually stopped firing. 9. Second inty is 25km from me when the guns actually started to shoot. good i am in enyo i should hit this i thought. At this time i saw one yellow dotting. 10. 12 cycles from guns no damage on the inty. 11. Yellow turn red. no damage to my ship. I clicked warp away. 12. 20 sec pass, no warp 100 points damage on my ship and i saw that was an eagle shootin me 13. now i`m hit by some missiles even i see only eagle shootin on overview. enemy inty started to get damage, but my guns are not shootin(i stopped them to get on a new primary- it took me 30 sec to stop 125 tech 2 rails to shoot) 14. my shields are at 20% and my ship finnaly warped away (around 1 and a half minute after i clicked warp away). My battle was for maximum 5 minutes while i managed to shoot 1 pod and one inty. I think i would rather died in that battle with no lag at all instead havin 5 minutes of powerpoint with ships. This is my experience and represent my only personal point of view. I think I'll put that somewhere for reference in future fleet battles. -- Thukkers do
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:09:00 - [36] I missed the gang leaving from AZN, so jumped in a Sabre and headed towards H8. I was just arriving as the fight was starting. As I arrived at the gate to H8 I got a traffic control warning and a 2 minute countdown. Just then a BoB ship jumped through the gate. I panic as normal, expecting a sea of orange, but it's just a pod. try to dictor bubble it, but nothing launches and the pod warps off! Who knows if the module ever activated, as at that moment I jumped through the gate. (oops had left the autopilot on!). Was about 2 minutes for the screen to load even though there is nothing else on the grid at all. Try to get off the gate as quick as possible, but it takes a further 2+ mins to warp. (Luckily still nothing on overview). By this time the GF's are going up in local and it's all over. Complete and utter joke! So from the losses I seen with my own eyes, my report says we won killing 1 ship for no losses
Elfman AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 10:29:00 - [37] The lag just killed what could have been a great fight. jumped into h8 - emergency warped - warp back to gate - lagged out and then game crashes with weird blue screen. reboot try to log back in cant - think blow this its time to spend some time with the wife anyways. look at bob killboards and find out BS popped. just wish I had actually managed to shoot or do something I really hope kali + the new new hardware allows us to actually do these big fleet fights. props to bob + ascn for not flaming each other in this thread (so far) Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: DTee Great write up Biz mate. I have to say the Titan is amazing. As a logistics tool and a transport machine. Agreed. Just jumping over to 3ppt so we could all "insta" to h8 and avoid the traffic queues and rubbish is worth having it on the field of play. <3 our newest taxi service :D If you don't mind answering this question based on operational security etc: How many ships can you jump with the titan? I have heard that whatever ships that are within a certain radius of the titan/jump gate can jump in? To me, this is the whole point of the titan, not the doomsday weapon. And it seems that BoB are using it to transport the fleet instead of just insta popping cruisers .
Joe Bloggers Caldari Legion Federation Amen Anera	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Buxaroo If you don't mind answering this question based on operational security etc: How many ships can you jump with the titan? I have heard that whatever ships that are within a certain radius of the titan/jump gate can jump in? To me, this is the whole point of the titan, not the doomsday weapon. And it seems that BoB are using it to transport the fleet instead of just insta popping cruisers . I heard that the jump gate costs soomething like 100 strotium to use and lasts 10 minutes. During this time, any ship can freely jump without any additional cost. Is this how it works? Just an Average Joe!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.10 12:44:00 - [40] Nice story. Looks like you had fun. But I'm just here to state that Trinity Faetals sig is my favorite outbreak sig so far. Oh, those eyes ... I feel like a school boy again. Who is it ?

Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:51:00 - [41] Originally by: liquidism nice read man. and good op. kudos. kill all hobbits IF ASCN were to fall then where are the challenges left to BoB in EVE, other than perhaps D2, so give it 6 months time and it will be your turn next and then I will be laughing too (from my spot in Rens running missions for Brutor Tribe ). Seriously though if ASCN ever falls I think that it will be it for me and eve. I do not like BoB and would never dream of working for "the man" as a slave corp/alliance. On various accounts I have fought against most groups in EVE and from my experiences BoB as they are, are in a different league. Yes there are very good smaller corps like Outbreak, Omnisicient Order and CELES etc. and every group has its good players but when taken as a group the larger alliances are simply no comparison. I think they spoil their reputation with the use of lame stuff like TS spies (nice job by the way getting one of our gangs to warp to a BoB POS last night with shouts over TS, we were laughing about it afterwards (it was either that or cry)) but if they don't care about their reputation compared to getting the 'win' then "so what" I guess. In some ways the end of this war will be a good time to bow out from the game after what will be almost 3 years for me, fight as hard as you can for as long as you can and if it at the end you lost, well so be it, there if always a winner and a loser. If you win, then again, what is going to compare to that? Once someone has "won EVE", then it will be time to move on I feel. If its BoB then I could wait for them to fall apart (possibly) or move to pirates of the carribean or whatever (if its true) but then that would be a pretty hollow victory. If we cant take them out now at their peak then there is no beating them in the game - other alliances like ASCN and D2 and others are all going to be second tier alliances - and thats fine for some I guess but not for me, I would rather try my hand at something new. So gl all and cya on the battlefield BoB, I still have 130 Ares to get through even if u have pwnd all my fitted BS
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Ascend Alt I think they spoil their reputation with the use of lame stuff like TS spies (nice job by the way getting one of our gangs to warp to a BoB POS last night with shouts over TS, we were laughing about it afterwards (it was either that or cry)) but if they don't care about their reputation compared to getting the 'win' then "so what" I guess. Not that I expect you to believe me, but that honestly wasn't us, that was one of your own prized members desperately trying to get you to go and support your dying dreads.
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: Ascend Alt I think they spoil their reputation with the use of lame stuff like TS spies (nice job by the way getting one of our gangs to warp to a BoB POS last night with shouts over TS, we were laughing about it afterwards (it was either that or cry)) but if they don't care about their reputation compared to getting the 'win' then "so what" I guess. Not that I expect you to believe me, but that honestly wasn't us, that was one of your own prized members desperately trying to get you to go and support your dying dreads. Then why did the FC get mails from guys in DICE thanking him for listening to them and not "the confused FCs" and warping to the BoB pos?
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Ascend Alt Then why did the FC get mails from guys in DICE thanking him for listening to them and not "the confused FCs" and warping to the BoB pos? That's utter rubbish I'm afraid, your FC screwed up and is trying to cover his arse. You can accuse us all you like of being "lame" and so forth but we don't need nor intend to stoop to such levels, ever.
Zasra Crown Royal Mining Corp	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:14:00 - [45] Originally by: Notleh Edited by: Notleh on 10/11/2006 01:02:06 Nice write-up Bizarre. Refreshing to see an honest representation of events. Anyway, good fight BoB. Um.. you guys got slaughtered, and that's putting it lightly. How is that a good fight? Good read though, probably the turning point in the one-sided war that makes PS an all bob (and bob slave corp) zone. I just read this stuff and look at the awful killboard stats and wonder how so many people can be so bad? Good luck to both sides of course.
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: Ascend Alt Then why did the FC get mails from guys in DICE thanking him for listening to them and not "the confused FCs" and warping to the BoB pos? That's utter rubbish I'm afraid, your FC screwed up and is trying to cover his arse. You can accuse us all you like of being "lame" and so forth but we don't need nor intend to stoop to such levels, ever. I dont know about last night but I have been on TS before when it has had BoB spies on it shouting conflicting orders, so....
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Zasra Um.. you guys got slaughtered, and that's putting it lightly. How is that a good fight? Good read though, probably the turning point in the one-sided war that makes PS an all bob (and bob slave corp) zone. I just read this stuff and look at the awful killboard stats and wonder how so many people can be so bad? They aren't, it only takes a couple of bad decisions to lead to these sort of situations when fighting someone very good at fleet pvp. Individually there are a fair few decent pvpers in ASCN, its just there are a lot who are not so good or experienced and that can lead to mistakes and those mistakes lead to these kinds of situations. Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind....
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:01:00 - [48] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 15:04:20 Originally by: Ascend Alt Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind.... LMAO... can you imagine it... ASCN SCOUT : There are fourty five BoB in the next system guys, watch out ASCN FC : Thx scout 1, k guys we have four to five BoB in the next system... we are gonna jump through... "JUMP". ... comeon..... its like the Irish joke.. "tree fellers wanted".. aww thats a shame paddy ain't it.. there's only two of us... If thats the kind of stuff that happens on a regular basis in ASCN fleets... book your one way tickets to empire now, before the christmas rush.
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 15:04:20 Originally by: Ascend Alt Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind.... LMAO... can you imagine it... ASCN SCOUT : There are fourty five BoB in the next system guys, watch out ASCN FC : Thx scout 1, k guys we have four to five BoB in the next system... we are gonna jump through... "JUMP". ... comeon..... its like the Irish joke.. "tree fellers wanted".. aww thats a shame paddy ain't it.. there's only two of us... If thats the kind of stuff that happens on a regular basis in ASCN fleets... book your one way tickets to empire now, before the christmas rush. LMAO
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 15:11:00 - [50] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 15:04:20 Originally by: Ascend Alt Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind.... LMAO... can you imagine it... ASCN SCOUT : There are fourty five BoB in the next system guys, watch out ASCN FC : Thx scout 1, k guys we have four to five BoB in the next system... we are gonna jump through... "JUMP". ... comeon..... its like the Irish joke.. "tree fellers wanted".. aww thats a shame paddy ain't it.. there's only two of us... If thats the kind of stuff that happens on a regular basis in ASCN fleets... book your one way tickets to empire now, before the christmas rush. That genuinely made me laugh so hard i cried a little Let's see who's standing at the end when the dust settle's

Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 15:04:20 Originally by: Ascend Alt Poor intell is often a source of issues. Someone thinking a scout said "4 or 5 BoB" in the next system instead of the actual "45 BoB" comes to mind.... LMAO... can you imagine it... ASCN SCOUT : There are fourty five BoB in the next system guys, watch out ASCN FC : Thx scout 1, k guys we have four to five BoB in the next system... we are gonna jump through... "JUMP". ... comeon..... its like the Irish joke.. "tree fellers wanted".. aww thats a shame paddy ain't it.. there's only two of us... If thats the kind of stuff that happens on a regular basis in ASCN fleets... book your one way tickets to empire now, before the christmas rush. shrugs its a game mate, we have a laugh about it and have no pretences as to our god like abilities within it. Its a pity we cannot all achieve the awesome things within the game that Black Spot have, which is what exactly? Anyone can stay small and take potshots at others.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:23:00 - [52] Originally by: Ascend Alt shrugs its a game mate, we have a laugh about it and have no pretences as to our god like abilities within it. Its a pity we cannot all achieve the awesome things within the game that Black Spot have, which is what exactly? Anyone can stay small and take potshots at others. .. doesn't seem like you are laughing much to me.. infact reading between the lines you are pretty ****ed off that I joked at ASCN's expense.... which is perfectly understandable.. but pls drop the "poor ASCN" argument. You are the biggest alliance in the game.. act like it.
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:25:00 - [53] The OP was a pretty fair write up afaik. The best bit is my fame though :-D 2006.11.09 21:29 Attacked object: Minmatar Control Tower Current Shield Level: 98% Current Armor Integrity: 100% Current Hull Integrity: 100% Aggressing Pilot: Joram McRory Aggressing Pilot's Corporation: eXceed Inc. Aggressing Pilot's Alliance: Ascendant Frontier We knew we were taking a huge risk when we took the dreads in (and yes, the fact my nicotene deprived body was sending me up the wall may have had an impact!), but we felt it was worth it. We had planned for just the one seige cycle. We gambled that with your fleet a fair way away, and engaging our fleet, that we would have time to get out. As it was you got into 3ptt in the nick of time. My pulse rate went through the roof tbh. I was spaming warp to as I came out of seige and was pretty amazed that I got out! I assume your tacklers were lagged out, and only the POS scrammers were effective? My comiserations to the 3 dead dreads, that is a bit of a dent to the wallet of even a wealthy player Local was smack free so well done BoB and GF all. Oh, Nez - **** off and find your own war to write about Joram My Photography site
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Joram McRory The OP was a pretty fair write up afaik. The best bit is my fame though :-D 2006.11.09 21:29 Attacked object: Minmatar Control Tower Current Shield Level: 98% Current Armor Integrity: 100% Current Hull Integrity: 100% Aggressing Pilot: Joram McRory Aggressing Pilot's Corporation: eXceed Inc. Aggressing Pilot's Alliance: Ascendant Frontier We knew we were taking a huge risk when we took the dreads in (and yes, the fact my nicotene deprived body was sending me up the wall may have had an impact!), but we felt it was worth it. We had planned for just the one seige cycle. We gambled that with your fleet a fair way away, and engaging our fleet, that we would have time to get out. As it was you got into 3ptt in the nick of time. My pulse rate went through the roof tbh. I was spaming warp to as I came out of seige and was pretty amazed that I got out! I assume your tacklers were lagged out, and only the POS scrammers were effective? My comiserations to the 3 dead dreads, that is a bit of a dent to the wallet of even a wealthy player Local was smack free so well done BoB and GF all. Oh, Nez - **** off and find your own war to write about You risked a fleet of dreads, doing a single siege cycle, just for a laugh
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Ab Initio You risked a fleet of dreads, doing a single siege cycle, just for a laugh I wouldn't have put it quite like that We thought we had a chance of knocking a few % off the shield. Who knows that might have been enough to make the difference later if the US TZ guys had another ***** at it? But come on, this is a game remember option a) sit at POS, option b) Log Off, Option c) Have a bit of fun. c) is always going to be the winner for me. Ok I got lucky, but had it been my dread gone pop - what is that? 2 weeks of mining to replace. As I said, it was a gamble. Joram My Photography site
Egil Kolsto	Posted - 2006.11.10 16:52:00 - [56] Edited by: Egil Kolsto on 10/11/2006 16:52:21 As somone completely on the outside of this war and amazed at the concept of a huge fleet battle, I wanted to say thanks for this write up, I really wish there was more reports of how the war goes along these lines. I understand the freedom to express your opinion and the power of the web to cut and paste and make things pretty abusive rather than informative is much easier, however, I for one would greatly appreciate stories like this over the general "Everyone go attack BoB" and "Cyvok is a liar posts." Thank you!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Joram McRory Originally by: Ab Initio You risked a fleet of dreads, doing a single siege cycle, just for a laugh I wouldn't have put it quite like that We thought we had a chance of knocking a few % off the shield. Who knows that might have been enough to make the difference later if the US TZ guys had another ***** at it? But come on, this is a game remember option a) sit at POS, option b) Log Off, Option c) Have a bit of fun. c) is always going to be the winner for me. Ok I got lucky, but had it been my dread gone pop - what is that? 2 weeks of mining to replace. As I said, it was a gamble. GG to you, Joram, option c all the way. I was quite annoyed that we missed the other 4 dreads, apparently our support were indeed lagged and couldn't activate their scrams. Either that or they just sucked at that moment. I'm going for them sucking, seeing as they seem to be berating me on here atm. fgts.
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:39:00 - [58] Edited by: Ascend Alt on 10/11/2006 17:40:53 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Ascend Alt shrugs its a game mate, we have a laugh about it and have no pretences as to our god like abilities within it. Its a pity we cannot all achieve the awesome things within the game that Black Spot have, which is what exactly? Anyone can stay small and take potshots at others. .. doesn't seem like you are laughing much to me.. infact reading between the lines you are pretty ****ed off that I joked at ASCN's expense.... which is perfectly understandable.. but pls drop the "poor ASCN" argument. You are the biggest alliance in the game.. act like it. edit: the other bit was from another unrelated post. I can assure you we were laughing on TS (slighlty hysterically) at the sheer ridiculousness of what happened last night. As for acting like a large alliance, well we are, i.e. being a bit disorganized and containing a huge range of players of varying abilities and experience. Being big is not the same as being good, and away from the forums most people in ASCN are very aware of what our strength and weaknesses are. We are very good at some things (like building things) and not so good at others (like fleet pvp).
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:58:00 - [59] Originally by: Ascend Alt We are very good at some things (like building things) and not so good at others (like fleet pvp). May I ask you a question... you say you are good at building things and there is ample evidence of this in the number of outposts in ASCN space.... ... if you are no good at fleet pvp, how did you expect to defend the things you built from entities like BoB?
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:03:00 - [60] Edited by: DTee on 10/11/2006 18:08:41 Nez FYI Ascendant dont need to fight because their saviour is going to be Kali. Says CYVOK. I'm sorry Ascendant. You need to help yourself by taking a good look at your leadership. Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!

Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:13:00 - [61] Edited by: Havras on 10/11/2006 18:21:27 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Ascend Alt We are very good at some things (like building things) and not so good at others (like fleet pvp). May I ask you a question... you say you are good at building things and there is ample evidence of this in the number of outposts in ASCN space.... ... if you are no good at fleet pvp, how did you expect to defend the things you built from entities like BoB? Well Nez, I'm not an official spokesman for ASCN but I'll have a go at answering that question. How do we expect to defend the things we build? By being willing to take a risk on losses like the one that happened yesterday. You don't get better at fleet battles unless you you fight them. This means that, yes, we'll get our backsides kicked. A lot. Fleet discipline isn't something that happens over night. Its been a long time since we actually fought battles like we're trying to do now. Right now a lot of ASCN are learning the hard way about fleet fights but they ARE learning. A lot of new players have joined the alliance, a lot of experience players are either taking a break from the game or have moved on to other things or left the game for good. I've been in a few fights since this war started, and usually podded **** fast... bloody EW skills, but nothing like the level of involvment I wanted to have simply because RL hasn't allowed me time to sit at the computer for hours lately. <mutters> And when I am able to play I get stuck in a Cov ops more often then not. Basically, you can't win if you don't risk losing. You can't be right if your not willing to risk being wrong. But you CAN lose simply by not doing anything at all at least we are trying to improve our fleet game and not just sitting there with our hands in our lap saying "Welp, guess we'll just throw our hands up in the air and concede." This thread has been surprisingly free of flames and trolls. I urge both BOB, ASCN and the general EVE-O populace to keep it that way.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:19:00 - [62] Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 18:23:23 Originally by: Havras Its been a long time since we actually fought battles like we're trying to do now. Right now a lot of ASCN are learning the hard way about fleet fights but they ARE learning. fair enough... however, I'd bet good money that ASCN are wishing they had got some practice in before this war started.. its a horribly steep learning curve to have BoB as your first opponent after a long time of no fleet pvp of any significance. What have you guys been doing for the last 2 years?? ... simply sitting there building outposts isn't good enough.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:30:00 - [63] Originally by: Ascend Alt We are very good at some things (like building things) and not so good at others (like fleet pvp). Then why don't you come build for me and let us do the pvp? I've been saying it for a while, CYVOK is a great peacetime leader but simply has no clue when it comes to war. I think it's about time the hobbits came to realise that they aren't a dominant 0.0 force and never will be because if it isn't us steam rolling over them, it will be someone else jumping on the bandwagon to destroy everything they have created. The time is coming for some big decisions from ASCN, either they stand and fight to the death (theirs not ours, we won't lose this war regardless of what anyone thinks even if it does take 5 years), they split up into the individual corporations and dissolve back to empire or they start looking for alternatives like some of their corps have done are more are doing right now. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:32:00 - [64] Edited by: Havras on 10/11/2006 18:39:34 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 10/11/2006 18:23:23 Originally by: Havras Its been a long time since we actually fought battles like we're trying to do now. Right now a lot of ASCN are learning the hard way about fleet fights but they ARE learning. fair enough... however, I'd bet good money that ASCN are wishing they had got some practice in before this war started.. its a horribly steep learning curve to have BoB as your first opponent after a long time of no fleet pvp of any significance. What have you guys been doing for the last 2 years?? ... simply sitting there building outposts isn't good enough. I can't speak for the past two years. But, as I said in the paragraph below the one you quoted, we've had a fair amount of new players join the alliance since the beginning of the year. You know as well as I do that older, pvp oriented, players tend to gravitate away from big alliances and go Merc, go pirate or go to alliances like BOB. Where do those players who have joined the alliance in the last 6 months get fleet experience? They get it from what few fleet fights we've actually had. We had some big fleet fights earlier this year, and we certainly didn't get slaughtered in all of them and actually decisively won some of them. But, those fights were playing to the strength of our past experience which is defensive fleets. In this war we're having to adapt a bit and be more agressive then defensive and its thrown things for a bit of a loop. Edit to respond to DBP above: No offense DBP but we're not going to roll over and die for you. Asking us to be a vassal alliance to BOB is going to be seen as an insult and will just cause the flames we're trying to avoid in this thread. It won't happen. If it were going to happen it would have happened so just stop asking, ok?
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:56:00 - [65] Originally by: Havras No offense DBP but we're not going to roll over and die for you. Asking us to be a vassal alliance to BOB is going to be seen as an insult and will just cause the flames we're trying to avoid in this thread. It won't happen. If it were going to happen it would have happened so just stop asking, ok? Well tbh you did it once so I would not be suprised if you did it again. You Will Cry My Name
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:45:00 - [66] Originally by: Havras No offense DBP but we're not going to roll over and die for you. No offense Havras, but that's exactly what you are doing. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:31:00 - [67] Answer me bloody question ****it! >.< First page, lookie lookie! Cheers, Lowa - censor ship is going a bit far lately isnt it... What if the truth was something else?
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:32:00 - [68] Originally by: Lowa Answer me bloody question ****it! >.< First page, lookie lookie! Cheers, Lowa - censor ship is going a bit far lately isnt it... ^^ This person is very drunk ATM. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:36:00 - [69] Edited by: Red Six on 10/11/2006 21:36:09 Lowa, nope you are wrong. The Titan just provided the jump gateway home from 3PPT to H8. It didn't fight. Now quit being such a drunk emo. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:40:00 - [70] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Havras No offense DBP but we're not going to roll over and die for you. No offense Havras, but that's exactly what you are doing. dbp There is no avoiding war... It can only be postponed to the advantage of your enemy. And DB. I refuse to let BoB turn EVE into a PVP CS server. Honor and Serve. That is our motto. I'll see you ingame... unless you are mining? SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-

Remmington Daniels Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:45:00 - [71] Originally by: SamuraiJack And DB. I refuse to let BoB turn EVE into a PVP CS server. PVP cs server? hmm I need to find the RPG version...
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:54:00 - [72] Originally by: SamuraiJack Honor and Serve. That is our motto. I'm glad you've dropped the "strength thru unity" motto, Jack, it was obviously not working for you.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: SamuraiJack Honor and Serve. That is our motto. I'm glad you've dropped the "strength thru unity" motto, Jack, it was obviously not working for you. That is ours too. We're still here. I got here through hardwork and respect. This is my corp and family. I will do anything i can for my friends and corp. Counter to that is this. Annoy me or my corp... and you will make an enemy. I used to have respect for BoB. You have lost that. You have lost your honor with this lame smack war you host on eve-o. Its us or you. One will be left standing. I know where I stand. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:13:00 - [74] Edited by: DTee on 10/11/2006 23:15:42 Edited by: DTee on 10/11/2006 23:14:21 Quote: That is ours too. We're still here. I got here through hardwork and respect. This is my corp and family. I will do anything i can for my friends and corp. Counter to that is this. Annoy me or my corp... and you will make an enemy. I used to have respect for BoB. You have lost that. You have lost your honor with this lame smack war you host on eve-o. Its us or you. One will be left standing. I know where I stand. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director on Sisi, in kali, where BoB dont crash nodes and ships have more hitpoints? Dont use the word "respect" as loosely as you do. Respect would be NOT to accuse people of node crashing. Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!
Tabaldak eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:15:00 - [75] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Havras No offense DBP but we're not going to roll over and die for you. No offense Havras, but that's exactly what you are doing. dbp db, some day you will find yourself - and wish you hadn't.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:19:00 - [76] Originally by: DTee on Sisi, in kali, where BoB dont crash nodes and ships have more hitpoints? to quote those wonderfull american girls... "Whatever!" Keep smacking BoB. It just goes to prove how low you can go. It takes effort to create and develop. You just want to destroy and play PVP CS. I believe someone said it best when they said if you want to play EVE on easy... go join BoB. We build 15 outposts, 1st titan in eve, and all you want to do is destroy like a jealous child. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:24:00 - [77] Originally by: SamuraiJack Originally by: DTee on Sisi, in kali, where BoB dont crash nodes and ships have more hitpoints? to quote those wonderfull american girls... "Whatever!" Keep smacking BoB. It just goes to prove how low you can go. It takes effort to create and develop. You just want to destroy and play PVP CS. I believe someone said it best when they said if you want to play EVE on easy... go join BoB. We build 15 outposts, 1st titan in eve, and all you want to do is destroy like a jealous child. When it all falls down around your ears and you look around trying to work out what went wrong feel free to convo me about how to build, create and defend it all at the same time. Until then put your crash helmet on because the end of the line is fast approaching. Blog
Aurel Senia Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:27:00 - [78] Originally by: SamuraiJack Originally by: DTee on Sisi, in kali, where BoB dont crash nodes and ships have more hitpoints? to quote those wonderfull american girls... "Whatever!" Keep smacking BoB. It just goes to prove how low you can go. It takes effort to create and develop. You just want to destroy and play PVP CS. I believe someone said it best when they said if you want to play EVE on easy... go join BoB. We build 15 outposts, 1st titan in eve, and all you want to do is destroy like a jealous child. ohmygodbuhusosad? Please tell me you aren't crying now like the fat kid on the playground who got his cookies stolen. Because seriously, if you have the resources to build 15 outposts and a Titan, you should at least have the resources to protect them. Or are you one of those people who builds sandcastles at the beach and then cries your eyes out when the tide washes them away?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:30:00 - [79] Originally by: SamuraiJack It takes effort to create and develop. You just want to destroy and play PVP CS. I believe someone said it best when they said if you want to play EVE on easy... go join BoB. heh, yeh, BoB don't build anything. At all. Oh no. Not a thing. Clues are for sale in Jita, I'd get instas if I was you.
Aurel Senia Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:31:00 - [80] Originally by: Dianabolic Clues are for sale in Jita, I'd get instas if I was you. He might as well stay logged off until Kali, then he'll just be able to warp to 0km the whole way and not have to waste isk.

SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:37:00 - [81] I spy with my little eye something starting with T.... Go go gadget Forum Trolls. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:40:00 - [82] Originally by: SamuraiJack I spy with my little eye something starting with T.... Go go gadget Forum Trolls. If that is the best you can come up with Mr Community Manager you are in a bad way. Tell me BoB don't build, create, facilitate and encourage a society in 0.0 space then Captain Empire Builder and I'll tell you you're a poor liar. Just because we like to conquer at the same time and you lot couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag doesn't make you morally superior to us. Learn to succeed. Blog
Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:43:00 - [83] So much for a nice, constructive, smack free topic. I have no authority to ask this of ASCN members but please refrain from responding to this topic anymore. It has degenerated to the point of worthlessness.
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Blacklight If that is the best you can come up with Mr Community Manager you are in a bad way. Tell me BoB don't build, create, facilitate and encourage a society in 0.0 space then Captain Empire Builder and I'll tell you you're a poor liar. Just because we like to conquer at the same time and you lot couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag doesn't make you morally superior to us. Learn to succeed. Blacklight. We may not be the "uber" (and i say that tongue in cheek) PVP allaince but I will say this. We are still standing. 7 weeks and you hold but 2 stations. The mighty BoB PVP engine is resorting to POS warfare which i believe BoB "Dont sink too..." So... Tell me... Other than your forum trolls shouting and the continual smack we see on EVE-O... Just what is BoB doing? When are you going to "declare" yourselves the winner and slide back off... and go play Pirates? You said you would wipe the Goons out and grief them out of the game? They are still here... Its looking like the old dog has no teeth left. Or chooses to go to sleep and forget. I know this. I am ASCN. We will prevail. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:50:00 - [85] Edited by: Farjung on 10/11/2006 23:55:07 Interesting little statistic: Band of Brothers currently has 1,678 members. Band of Brothers has built 7 outposts. So that's 1 outpost built per 240 members. Ascendant Fronter currently has 4,357 members. Ascendant Fronter has built 15 outposts. So that's 1 outpost built per 290 members. I believe those figures are accurate going from the Outpost Alert page, anyway. Either way, it shows that when it comes to developing 0.0 space, accusing BoB of being solely about destruction is a bit far-fetched. Edit: We're "resorting" to POS warfare because you people keep spamming them up. We're knocking them straight back down again almost as fast though. Go count how many towers we have in GQ2S- and then compare that with the 16 large towers we had to destroy, and then ask yourself whether it is really us who is relying on POS spamming game mechanics to get anything achieved in this war. Think back to TPAR-G and again ask yourself it is really us who have started the POS warfare game. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:57:00 - [86] I guess the <6 pos we have in any system in paragon soul is just too much pos spam for you, huh?
DTee Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:57:00 - [87] Originally by: SamuraiJack Originally by: Blacklight If that is the best you can come up with Mr Community Manager you are in a bad way. Tell me BoB don't build, create, facilitate and encourage a society in 0.0 space then Captain Empire Builder and I'll tell you you're a poor liar. Just because we like to conquer at the same time and you lot couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag doesn't make you morally superior to us. Learn to succeed. Blacklight. We may not be the "uber" (and i say that tongue in cheek) PVP allaince but I will say this. We are still standing. 7 weeks and you hold but 2 stations. The mighty BoB PVP engine is resorting to POS warfare which i believe BoB "Dont sink too..." So... Tell me... Other than your forum trolls shouting and the continual smack we see on EVE-O... Just what is BoB doing? When are you going to "declare" yourselves the winner and slide back off... and go play Pirates? You said you would wipe the Goons out and grief them out of the game? They are still here... Its looking like the old dog has no teeth left. Or chooses to go to sleep and forget. I know this. I am ASCN. We will prevail. I personally dont think there is room for you to talk when your alliance looses 61ish bs's and 3 dreads. We have teeth just check your keyboard. Host of The DT show - Thursdays 16:00 - 18:00 . Listen to BoB Radio now!
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 00:08:00 - [88] Originally by: SamuraiJack I spy with my little eye something starting with T.... Go go gadget Forum Trolls. ... Originally by: SamuraiJack It takes effort to create and develop. You just want to destroy and play PVP CS. I believe someone said it best when they said if you want to play EVE on easy... go join BoB. We build 15 outposts, 1st titan in eve, and all you want to do is destroy like a jealous child. The irony is strong here.
Powder Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 00:15:00 - [89] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Originally by: SamuraiJack I spy with my little eye something starting with T.... Go go gadget Forum Trolls. ... Originally by: SamuraiJack It takes effort to create and develop. You just want to destroy and play PVP CS. I believe someone said it best when they said if you want to play EVE on easy... go join BoB. We build 15 outposts, 1st titan in eve, and all you want to do is destroy like a jealous child. The irony is strong here. but the sauce is weak
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 00:25:00 - [90] Originally by: SamuraiJack Blacklight. We may not be the "uber" (and i say that tongue in cheek) PVP allaince but I will say this. We are still standing. 7 weeks and you hold but 2 stations. The mighty BoB PVP engine is resorting to POS warfare which i believe BoB "Dont sink too..." So... Tell me... Other than your forum trolls shouting and the continual smack we see on EVE-O... Just what is BoB doing? When are you going to "declare" yourselves the winner and slide back off... and go play Pirates? You said you would wipe the Goons out and grief them out of the game? They are still here... Its looking like the old dog has no teeth left. Or chooses to go to sleep and forget. I know this. I am ASCN. We will prevail. Well as you asked I'll tell you. We decided to toy with you and see what you could do for six weeks, in fact the original plan wasn't to get our dreads out until this coming Monday, until then we were not going to push on your space at all just probe and test and have fun. As you proved to be completely incapable of deploying a POS correctly or defending one we accelerated things a little. So now we own two of your stations at least a week ahead of schedule and we're not toying with you anymore. We've hardly engaged in POS warfare at all, all of your systems we have attacked have minimal POS deployments in them, just enough to take them. You however have splurged POS all over the place and lost them all because you can't even do that right. So much for your industry skills. What is it now? Forty large and about ten to fifteen small/medium towers that you've lost whilst killing a whole three small towers of ours? I think we're doing just fine thankyou but you just keep throwing your isk at us and telling yourselves it's ok to lose Paragon Soul, you'll be ok in Feyth, Feyth is home and of course Kali will save you. Fighting on home turf won't save you, one system is the same as another when it comes to you sending your fleets and your capital assets to the slaughter. Kali will not teach your HC how to lead, Kali will not motivate your players to log on, Kali will not teach your FC's how to fight, Kali game mechanics favour us as much as you. We're in no rush, we scheduled six months give or take a couple of months to take you out. We know whats involved in a major alliance war and we know exactly what it takes to kill another large alliance. Contrary to the clueless members of the peanut gallery posting about us rolling you over inside three weeks we have never had any desire or intention to kill you off that quickly, we wanted a war and we have one, long may it continue. So without having to resort to fullfilling the wild crazy rumours Cyvoks delusional sychophants are putting around about us heading off to POTBS we will simply declare victory when we're done with you and that will be according to or ahead of schedule. You won't prevail, we've only just started applying the real pressure and you're already *****ing under the strain. A few weeks of toying with you and about two weeks of an assault so far and yet the trickle of members leaving is starting to swell, some of your best people are already sick and tired of your alliance whilst our morale and form is on the up and far from peaking. Your alliance will die. No amount of praying for Kali is going to save you. So when we're done with you and your alliance is no more then you can comment on how we have no teeth, until then our toothless alliance will in our inevitable way march inexorably through your space taking station after station, destroying fleet after fleet and take you to peices one step at a time. You can deny it all you like on these forums or to your members in your long dreary posts and calls to arms but you can't deny what happens in game and what is happening in game has been in our favour since day one. Learn to succeed. Blog

KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 01:01:00 - [91] I'm assuming you are mildly enhibriated tonight SJ, So I'll try and be gentle. Originally by: SamuraiJack And DB. I refuse to let BoB turn EVE into a PVP CS server. EVE is a PVP Server. That is something some of us understood.. others didn't. I'm sorry to say to this day, you still don't understand that. Originally by: SamuraiJack I believe someone said it best when they said if you want to play EVE on easy... go join BoB. Yah, I keep hearing people say this.. I've been on the other side of the fence. I still have yet to see what's Easy about being in Bob. Maybe it's fighting every fleet battle outnumbered. Perhaps it's the maintnence of 4, soon to be 5 (more than anyone else in the game) regions. Perhaps you're referring to those 7 outposts that we've put up, I actually suppose with your 5000 people you've made it easy, so we'll not count that one. Maybe you're referring to a single corporation in our alliance executing the logistics to build a titan, while others were building those outposts, maintaining 500 some POS's, and waging a War against the biggest alliance in the game.. simutaneously. Yup, you're correct, all those things, totally easy. In fact so easy, Everyone can and is doing those exact things. Originally by: SamuraiJack We build 15 outposts, 1st titan in eve, and all you want to do is destroy like a jealous child. A Jealous Child? C'mon.. A man once asked Hillary why he wanted to Climb Everest. He Responded quite simply "Cause it's there." Why did BoB attack ASCN? Jealousy? Puh-leez... Originally by: SamuraiJack The mighty BoB PVP engine is resorting to POS warfare which i believe BoB "Dont sink too..." Precisely where and when have we resorted to "POS Warfare" (By that I'm assuming you're referring to SPAMMING Pos's?). We have taken over GQ2 and H8- By using a minimal number of our own POS's and using dreads to kill yours. I'd love an answer to this one. Originally by: SamuraiJack When are you going to "declare" yourselves the winner and slide back off... Probably about the same time you declare that "ASCN IS QUITTING EVE CAUSE CCP WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT BOB SPLOITS." I'm actually guessing that's probably what's going to be the real end to this mess, a good chunk of ASCN pilots mass cancelling cause you're convinved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we're cheater, exploiters and hackers. Seriously man, give it up.. Originally by: SamuraiJack and go play Pirates? Seriously dude, where did you guys ever get this one. Just ask Steel and Murph... Pirates is gonna suck. Originally by: SamuraiJack Just what is BoB doing? Taking your territory, killing your pilots by the thousands, causing your commanders to quit logging on, inciting mass hysteria amongst your alliance base, causing massive spyhunts, causing ASCN to clog the Petition que with "OMG BOB SPLOITZ" Petitions, building capitals, broadcasting on a radio station, spamming the forums, and drinking lots of Beer while we do all this. Yup, that sounds pretty accurate. Originally by: SamuraiJack Its us or you. One will be left standing. True Dat Homie. And no matter how drunk you might be right now, I know, that you know, who that person really is going to be. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 01:11:00 - [92] People donÆt seam to understand, that majority of BoB members have been and heard all of this before. Every time an alliance is destroyed, the same stuff comes spewing on these forums. The alliances that survive are the ones that keep the smack to minimum with sound leadership, fights hard and earns respect. FIX, Huzzah come to mind.. Once that happens, something is always worked out and the war ends with friendly co-existence. The ignorant alliances, they smack, lie, cry, whine and die a lot. Their leadership is not on the battlefield with the soldiers, they only write long winded speeches and look out for themselves. They are whipped off the EVE political map and forever hold a grudge. We have seen it all before and it wonÆt be any different this time. Dam, I sound like a broken record. I swear I have said that somewhere before. No one listens. Oh well. More fun for me. The truth will set you free
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.11 01:21:00 - [93] Originally by: SamuraiJack Its looking like the old dog has no teeth left. Or chooses to go to sleep and forget. I seem to remember hearing Cyvok saying he was going to delete posts from ppl that didnt ahve enough experience of the front line.. can he do that here_ >: )
Pseudo Ucksth Nostromo Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.11 02:40:00 - [94] All I see here between ASCN and BoB is petty slap fights. "My executor is better than your executor!".. It all reduces into arguments on the scale of political flamewars. Whatever happens when the war ends, both sides will eventually lose. If ASCN wins, then other alliances like the goons will pounce on their weakness and what happens from there, who knows. if BoB wins, they fill the vacuum that ASCN leaves, spread themselves out too thin, bite off more space than they can chew, or have some other problems arise and get eliminated by whatever alliance replaces BoB, like BoB eliminated ASCN. If BoB is left too weak by the end of the war, then they will be pounced on as well. Most people fail to see the big picture.
vile56 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 02:51:00 - [95] i get to fight as soon as i log on, what more could i ask for.
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 05:25:00 - [96] " Since the previous OP got his thread locked before a decent discussion even got started. I'm reposting my report of tonight in the hopes of getting some replies. " Highlighted above is a statement from the op of this thread.. Mate if u are loking for a "decent discussion", u are looking in the wrong place (with a very few exceptions to this rule). regards
Oratu THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 05:33:00 - [97] Edited by: Oratu on 11/11/2006 05:33:35 " EVE is a PVP Server. That is something some of us understood.. others didn't. I'm sorry to say to this day, you still don't understand that. " Underlined part of the statement from ksdruid sir u need an education... This game is not all about " My guns bigger than yours" if it where not for all the phukin carecares, minning for you precious "guns/ship's/ MOTHERSHIP" there would be none in 0.0 (with exception to the seeded ones in empire brought to 0.0) Dont sit the in your arrogent little, my johnsons is bigger than yours, iam invincable, bob is no.1 chair and preech such utter bulls**t... Yeah pvp is a part of this game, but industry plays the bigger part...
Klaryssa Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 05:52:00 - [98] Originally by: Oratu Edited by: Oratu on 11/11/2006 05:33:35 " EVE is a PVP Server. That is something some of us understood.. others didn't. I'm sorry to say to this day, you still don't understand that. " Underlined part of the statement from ksdruid sir u need an education... This game is not all about " My guns bigger than yours" if it where not for all the phukin carecares, minning for you precious "guns/ship's/ MOTHERSHIP" there would be none in 0.0 (with exception to the seeded ones in empire brought to 0.0) Dont sit the in your arrogent little, my johnsons is bigger than yours, iam invincable, bob is no.1 chair and preech such utter bulls**t... Yeah pvp is a part of this game, but industry plays the bigger part... Might makes right. We have it, you don't... Try and stop us.
nickky01 Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.11 06:04:00 - [99] Originally by: Oratu Edited by: Oratu on 11/11/2006 05:33:35 " EVE is a PVP Server. That is something some of us understood.. others didn't. I'm sorry to say to this day, you still don't understand that. " Underlined part of the statement from ksdruid sir u need an education... This game is not all about " My guns bigger than yours" if it where not for all the phukin carecares, minning for you precious "guns/ship's/ MOTHERSHIP" there would be none in 0.0 (with exception to the seeded ones in empire brought to 0.0) Dont sit the in your arrogent little, my johnsons is bigger than yours, iam invincable, bob is no.1 chair and preech such utter bulls**t... Yeah pvp is a part of this game, but industry plays the bigger part... industry might play a bigger part...but only for a little while. take all the guys in ASCN who have been fighting from the beginning, give them a free BS and free fittings everytime they die, and i'd bet money after a few deaths each they would start to drop out... dosnt' take much to mine in a belt and build ships all day, but sit in a gang for 8 hours listening to 1 or 2 people tell you what to do all day, and in the end you dont produce any results...yeah...maybe industry plays a bigger part in this game...only until your trying to defend the space that 60% (random number) of your alliance takes for granted. and i'm sorry to say there would be no 0.0 if wern't for all the "phukin" pvp'ers defending the space you ming in every day...what you need to do is take a step back and thank all the PVP'ers in ASCN who are on the front lines fighting bob everyday so you can sit back and AFK mine somewhere... yeah industry is a part of this game....but in 0.0 PVP plays the bigger part...i bet ASCN didn't take the space it has now through getting NAP's with people or buying the space... -------------------------- this is my main :(
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 06:41:00 - [100] Originally by: Oratu sir u need an education... This game is not all about " My guns bigger than yours" if it where not for all the phukin carecares, minning for you precious "guns/ship's/ MOTHERSHIP" there would be none in 0.0 (with exception to the seeded ones in empire brought to 0.0) Dont sit the in your arrogent little, my johnsons is bigger than yours, iam invincable, bob is no.1 chair and preech such utter bulls**t... Yeah pvp is a part of this game, but industry plays the bigger part... I believe the point trying to be made is that industry should only exist as part of a war machine. Industry exists for the sake of war, not for industry alone. This is EVE, where everyone covets what you have, and will take it if you don't stop them. If you cant defend yourself, your end is inevitable. BoB has a massive industrial backbone, but it doesn't just build for the sake of building, it plays its part in the bob war machine.

Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 07:44:00 - [101] Originally by: Oratu Edited by: Oratu on 11/11/2006 05:33:35 " EVE is a PVP Server. That is something some of us understood.. others didn't. I'm sorry to say to this day, you still don't understand that. " Underlined part of the statement from ksdruid sir u need an education... This game is not all about " My guns bigger than yours" if it where not for all the phukin carecares, minning for you precious "guns/ship's/ MOTHERSHIP" there would be none in 0.0 (with exception to the seeded ones in empire brought to 0.0) Dont sit the in your arrogent little, my johnsons is bigger than yours, iam invincable, bob is no.1 chair and preech such utter bullst... Yeah pvp is a part of this game, but industry plays the bigger part... You really don't get this game do you? The devs have said numerous time this game is all about PVP. They, the devs are PVP'ers from UO who built their own sandbox to PVP in. Everything from trade routes to industry to yes blowing the ever loving snot out of your fleets is PVP. The fact that you think this is an economic simulation is a very good explanation as to why you are losing. Industry has it's place in the game I won't deny but without the PVP force to secure assets for it to be industrious in industry can't do jack. A PVP'er can stop and do industry, just look at Mining Coa..er Mercenary Coalition. Take an industrialist out to do PVP and well... Originally by:** Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 08:48:00 - [102] Edited by: Seleene on 11/11/2006 08:48:45 Originally by: Red Six Industry has it's place in the game I won't deny. However, without a competent PVP force to secure assets for it to be industrious in, industry can't do jack. A PVP'er can stop and do industry, just look at Mining Coa..er Mercenary Coalition. Take an industrialist out to do PVP and well... Seeing as how I am in Iceland, I will directly ask Oveur, Helmar and any other Dev I can get my hands on today if they think EVE is a PvP server or Sim City in Space. IMO, the Tranquility server is a PvP server from top to bottom. But, just in case it isn't, I'll be sure to ask today. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.11 08:52:00 - [103] Originally by: Oratu Yeah pvp is a part of this game, but industry plays the bigger part... And this is why you are gonna loose everything.. its equal part, not bigger. You want industry as bigger part? go play Sim City, where you build for the sake of it, and with zero risk of loosing it (unless the occational storm/earthquake is considered a risk, lol... ) ------------------ Save Tranquility!
Isabel Sweet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 09:50:00 - [104] EVE is a violent universe where all players should be ready to defend what they build or to destroy what others had built. Who don`t get that go to empire in 1.0 space and manufacture things in a station without undockin. Cause when u undock u risk your ship and your gains. But how u get your fun without riskin? I lost ships just to get a fight knowin i will die. So what? Was my choice. Every eve pilot has the path on their feet to get their goals. But is not about reachin the goals, is about how u do it. --------------- I am also known as Niraco79. My opinion are his also :D
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:26:00 - [105] Without pvp, industry is of no use nor value, pvp makes the world go round ;)
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:02:00 - [106] Originally by: Seleene Seeing as how I am in Iceland, I will directly ask Oveur, Helmar and any other Dev I can get my hands on today if they think EVE is a PvP server or Sim City in Space. IMO, the Tranquility server is a PvP server from top to bottom. But, just in case it isn't, I'll be sure to ask today. MMO games are about interaction IMHO, not verus as such.. ppl in 0.0 or who regularly engage in empire wars choose the verus aspect, but many players dont and the interaction is more on a social level.. Some ppl move to 0.0 with the opinion that because pvp is consentual, and that POS in most cased can be used to avoid combat (something i still thing is broken) that they can choose to avoid that aspect.. unfortunately these tend to be the ppl the return to empire broke and unhappy.. >: )
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:12:00 - [107] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: SamuraiJack Its looking like the old dog has no teeth left. Or chooses to go to sleep and forget. I seem to remember hearing Cyvok saying he was going to delete posts from ppl that didnt ahve enough experience of the front line.. can he do that here_ Sjack is an ASCN pioneer. I don't want to be disrepectfull thoth but he has much more experience than you... but not on the PVP side. More the PVE side. He managed with others to make CLS look like a true-life industry - in all points of view. Simply amazing. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:29:00 - [108] .... and it was quite a good thread till page 3 :-( Joram My Photography site
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 20:19:00 - [109] Edited by: KSUDruid on 11/11/2006 20:19:17 Originally by: Oratu sir u need an education... This game is not all about " My guns bigger than yours" if it where not for all the phukin carecares, minning for you precious "guns/ship's/ MOTHERSHIP" there would be none in 0.0 (with exception to the seeded ones in empire brought to 0.0) Dont sit the in your arrogent little, my johnsons is bigger than yours, iam invincable, bob is no.1 chair and preech such utter bullst... Yeah pvp is a part of this game, but industry plays the bigger part... Gawd, you sound like Caytlyn Rose. "I never wanna fight cause it's wrong I just want to live in lawless space and never have anyone bother me!1!" FACT: EVE is a PVP Server. Everything about it is PVP. Mining is PVP, building is PVP, maintaining POS's is PVP, and fighting is PVP. I really ask you, do you think that we were able to build outposts, titans, motherships, dreads, carriers, and everything else by simply fighting fleet battles? Of course not.. So where did we get our stuff from? It came to us by people who understood that Mining, building, maintaining POS's are just as important as actual fleet fighting. You can't any one of those items without the others. You're not going to be left alone in this game just cause "You don't wanna PVP." You don't wanna fight others in 0.0? Tought . Cause they're gonna fight you whether you want it or not. That's the nature of this game, don't like it? Then cancel your subsciption and play Simcity. Cause in this game, in 0.0, people fight. You can't mine, build, and maintain in 0.0 and not expect some fighting to occur. They're all part of PVP - True PVP - And that's something ASCN never understood, and never will. (Edit for spelling/format) -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre**
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.12 00:48:00 - [110] Originally by: Omeega Sjack is an ASCN pioneer. I don't want to be disrepectfull thoth but he has much more experience than you... but not on the PVP side. More the PVE side. He managed with others to make CLS look like a true-life industry - in all points of view. Simply amazing. Omeega. Urm. Cheers. I am working on PVP... just some buggers keep primarying me :) That and flying interdictors is a deathknell in itself. Gotta stop flying expensive bits of baslawood. They go boom to easy. /me toddles off slightly confused. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-

Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.11.12 01:07:00 - [111] Originally by: liquidism nice read man. and good op. kudos. kill all hobbits Be careful what you ask for cause you may be next.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.12 10:50:00 - [112] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: SamuraiJack Its looking like the old dog has no teeth left. Or chooses to go to sleep and forget. I seem to remember hearing Cyvok saying he was going to delete posts from ppl that didnt ahve enough experience of the front line.. can he do that here_ Sjack is an ASCN pioneer. I don't want to be disrepectfull thoth but he has much more experience than you... but not on the PVP side. More the PVE side. He managed with others to make CLS look like a true-life industry - in all points of view. Simply amazing. Front line npc'ing? Not to be disrepectfull Omeega, but pvp is kind of important to when discussing "wars".. >: )
Othnark Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.12 21:47:00 - [113] I would just like to say, that was a very fun night. Aside from the fun the LAG was beyond normal. In over 3 years in eve, I have never seen lag like that. 15 minutes after i told my module to turn on, it never did, on 2 acounts not 1. Both sides suffered from it so GF all, hope to have some more.
Sir Kad adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:37:00 - [114] Originally by: KSUDruid Gawd, you sound like Caytlyn Rose. "I never wanna fight cause it's wrong I just want to live in lawless space and never have anyone bother me!1!" snip Ah man Druid...dont drag Caytlyn into this... While industry is necessary, there's no point to this game without pvp...


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