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Korath
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Posted - 2003.11.09 23:50:00 -
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Oh come on Reclaimer, don't be mad because OC blew up your Raven last night. 
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.11.10 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Scragg on 10/11/2003 04:54:21
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Hah yeah I bet 4 CA corps would actually say "ok you know what, we're leaving AND we're gonna tell Aneu, some random goober from the forums, cause he's IN THE KNOW man."
You honestly think anyone's taking you seriously here?
Rixeh,
Look at Aneu Angellus's name and corp and use your brain you twit.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 05:24:00 -
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Unless you're a complete buffoon... err, allow me to explain. When I said... Quote:
it doesn't matter what context you take it in
this means that there are only a couple viable explanations or "contexts" that this could possibly be taken in and none of them are good.
When you say Quote:
no pirating other than what we agreed to till saturday
Only a fool would believe you meant "guerilla raids" as you just tried to claim. If that's what you meant (piracy=guerilla raids) then why would you tell them to NOT do guerilla raids? You're at war fool, you should encourage your warriors to press the fight. No, it is quite clear that you meant piracy as we all know the term.
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Lytta
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Posted - 2003.11.10 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lytta on 10/11/2003 05:47:27
And you all seem to miss the obvious BREAK in the sentence after the word "pirating". Such a break is used to imply a new thought or direction in the middle of the sentence.
Example:
"Everyone keep your {composure} and stay cool, Bob Redon no pirating ok, until Saturday like we agreed." Now in my example, it would seem to most people, that the information given is as follows:
1. Stay calm and cool until Saturday as planned (vote day)
2. Bob and Redon were told directly NOT TO PIRATE!
Example #2:
"That Duke is pretty strong leader actually, did I mention he was 'gey', Im glad he is so vocal on the forums."
Information given:
1. Duke is a good leader who is very vocal on the forums.
2. he is 'gey'.
The 2 ideas have no connection except they are used in the same sentence. And since they are seperated by that COMMA, hold 2 different meanings or give different information.
***I guess if you close your eyes and just hear what you want...it explains it all really.
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Goldar Hektu
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Posted - 2003.11.10 06:30:00 -
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Quote:
Example:
"Everyone keep your {composure} and stay cool, Bob Redon no pirating ok, until Saturday like we agreed." Now in my example, it would seem to most people, that the information given is as follows:
1. Stay calm and cool until Saturday as planned (vote day)
2. Bob and Redon were told directly NOT TO PIRATE!
Seems like you re-arranged some words here. I believe it was more like...
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Everybody, just keep their **** together, stay calm, Bob, Redon, everybody, no pirating, in..., other than what we agreed to til Saturday. Ok? IS.. That.. That's not too much to ask.
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I wasn't planning on it yet
(emphasis mine)
http://eve.miggy.org/downloads/curses/No_pirating_till_saturday.mp3
There's no pause between "other than what we agreed to" and "til Saturday." Bob, Redon, and everyone else there weren't told not to pirate, they were told not to pirate othere than where it was agreed they could, until Saturday. Whoever replied made it clear that they were planning to pirate, just not yet.
Your 150mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Serpentis Drug Baron, wrecking for 192.8 damage. |
Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.11.10 06:39:00 -
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Quote:
Unless you're a complete buffoon... err, allow me to explain. When I said... Quote:
it doesn't matter what context you take it in
this means that there are only a couple viable explanations or "contexts" that this could possibly be taken in and none of them are good.
When you say Quote:
no pirating other than what we agreed to till saturday
Only a fool would believe you meant "guerilla raids" as you just tried to claim. If that's what you meant (piracy=guerilla raids) then why would you tell them to NOT do guerilla raids? You're at war fool, you should encourage your warriors to press the fight. No, it is quite clear that you meant piracy as we all know the term.
Despite countless increadibly stupid posts on theses boards I seriously believe you guys are capable of understanding fully what I am saying. You just try to tweak it to suit your PR machine. I say it again, IF we actually refered to actual piracy then where have we done any such thing and against whom. I have yet to see one occurance of piracy reported.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
Curse Alliance |
Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.10 07:29:00 -
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I wasnt on the channel for that bit but I have a sneaky suspicion that what "was agreed upon" is on that recording as well and would show that the "pirating" were normal acts of war.
After all the the part of "we will attack cfs" was cut as well wich was just a proposition and wich was decided against. This should have been on your recording as well.
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boeses frettchen
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Posted - 2003.11.10 08:51:00 -
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i know...
"if the need arises, go ahead. there's always deniability." - Leyla, SINC CEO
...but you could really try harder next time.
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Zhuan
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Posted - 2003.11.10 09:28:00 -
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OK, reclaimer if your corp is not a pirate corp then it was an accident when your corps missiles and ammo trashed my corps ships in curse awhile ago and then demanded 3mill isk a week or you would destroy more of our ships and seeing as Iam part of a mega corp of like oh I dont know 5 ppl I can understand how you and yours felt thrratend buy us and our superior indys and cruisers. I am sure we have many in the world of each shivering in stations everwhere. Simply put you ARE bullys, cowards, liars and thiefs in not only pirates to boot. I would thing that after all the reading of this thread and the post herin I would say calling you and yours pirates is not at all the truth. We would be giving pirates a bad name to be associated with the likes of you. They are at least pround of what they do not like some kind of closet freak like you. It is okay we all know and your going to have to come out some time. We wont judge you. Well ok we probaly will.  |
Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.11.10 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 10/11/2003 11:24:40
It actually occurred to me that there was a slight, slim, extremely remote possibility that the word "pirating" was used in reference to using pirating tactics in legitimate wartime activites.
But if the use of the term "pirating" was a harmless reference to guerilla warfare tactics, then why even discuss "deniability?"
Deniability, by common usage, is a prefabricated lie. And the most effective type of deniability is the "plausible" kind, which is what you get when certain people in positions of power are kept out of the loop when a conspiracy is afoot.
I have to wonder if we are seeing this sort of thing at work in CA.
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Kaligula
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kaligula on 10/11/2003 14:21:03
Good god people...those clips where not even part of the same conversation...
I simply dont know WHY I bother. Your "mostly" all morons who talk sh1t from 40 systems away but cant come down and TRY to do anything more then talk.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.11.10 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kaligula on 10/11/2003 14:21:03
Good god people...those clips where not even part of the same conversation...
I simply dont know WHY I bother. Your "mostly" all morons who talk sh1t from 40 systems away but cant come down and TRY to do anything more then talk.
woo whooo... watch it spin! Spin it boy spin it!
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 16:55:00 -
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Quote:
Example:
"Everyone keep your {composure} and stay cool, Bob Redon no pirating ok, until Saturday like we agreed." Now in my example, it would seem to most people, that the information given is as follows:
1. Stay calm and cool until Saturday as planned (vote day)
2. Bob and Redon were told directly NOT TO PIRATE!
You conveniently forgot 3. (and altered the original statement) "other than what we agreed to til Saturday." This means that they have already agreed to some limited piracy and have more planned on saturday or will discuss more on saturday.
I asked the following:
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If that's what you meant (piracy=guerilla raids) then why would you tell them to NOT do guerilla raids? You're at war fool, you should encourage your warriors to press the fight. -Duke Droklar
You have yet to explain this error in logic that you're trying to put forth. Answer the question.
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I say it again, IF we actually refered to actual piracy then where have we done any such thing and against whom. I have yet to see one occurance of piracy reported. -Noctoz
Come now. Simply because you use your new claim to GW and Catch as an excuse does not mean that the innocent victims there have not been pirated.
OSHT is actually better then HED to defend Curse. Defense was never CAs intentions though and they have pirated HED from long before the war and is one of the major reasons for the war.
By CAs logic, if CA claims all of eve and declares war on everyone then we're not pirates... we're legitimately at war. Oh wait, they mentioned that as well didn't they.
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what
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Posted - 2003.11.10 17:45:00 -
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Jesus Duke, play the ******* game. Your what 40?
You don't have to have a moral justification. This game is built for PvP, if you want to fight that is fine. Just check the righteousness at the door.
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James Hawkings
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Posted - 2003.11.10 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: James Hawkings on 10/11/2003 18:26:19
wow, everybody who is fighting curse thinks of themselves so highly. amazing spirit, now only if they did more than talk on the boards......
~Built Hauler Tough~
~Dazed and Confused Currently~ |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.10 18:30:00 -
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Quote:
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"They are not pirating. They are making a guerilla raid into enemy territory."
Good that there's always deniability, eh?
If you think the two are the same you need to read up on either your history or the dictionary. Or both.
Don't bother. I doubt they're really so deluded that they think the General Eve Populace will rise up in arms against Curse and declare Xanadu their lightbringers.
This serves a far better purpose, as demonstrated above, for providing catchy quotes and soundbytes. Ask a question they don't answer? Paste "there's always deniability!" Ask for the proof they bray about but don't have? "There's always deniability!" Sigs, posters, links and bumper stickers. Just like any dirty, greedy politician wages his propaganda war, that's all these schlubs are doing.
Here's a soundbyte of my own. I encourage all CA members to add it to their own sigs royalty-free :
got those screenshots yet?
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.10 18:35:00 -
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woo whooo... watch it spin! Spin it boy spin it!
yeah, this from Captain Content. You don't EVEN provide as much insightful commentary as Ed McMahon.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
WOLFMAN ALPHA
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Posted - 2003.11.11 00:43:00 -
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ANY SA alliance memeber has no room to talk about piracy...NONE!
I was killed and podded by Rampage and his crew in U-K the other night...flying a FRIGATE!! Wasnt asked why I was here...wasnt given a warning....was locked/webbed/scrambled and killed.
Now how come SA can claim I was a "spy" and kill me but everyone else that does it is a pirate? I was in a FRELLING frigate exploring systems for cool roids or something like Explore-Eve has. And they just killed me for NO reason...and then laughed.
Stain has NO ROOM to talk about anyone else pirating if they do the same. NONE!!!
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Lytta
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Posted - 2003.11.11 01:00:00 -
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Duke...
Even if I use your clip, which I will admit is more accurate, it still doesnt change the emphasis after the word "pirates". The very tone and rhythm of his voice shows there are 2 different thoughts in the sentence.
1. For everyone to stay cool and wait till Saturday when we voted too see if we should break the treaty with CFS based on several documented incidents of CFS ships entering CA space before the deadline. Which was voted NO...keep the peace btw.
2. To ask that certain key individuals refrain from leaving the CA until Saturday to see what direction the vote went. They wanted war with CFS but were the minority and sincee they are valuable friends and members, Xirt asked them to wait a see for the vote.
Does that not make sence? I am sure you wont believe me but since I was actully there I DO know better then you. Sorry but its true...
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.11 01:00:00 -
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OK, reclaimer if your corp is not a pirate corp then it was an accident when your corps missiles and ammo trashed my corps ships in curse awhile ago and then demanded 3mill isk a week or you would destroy more of our ships and seeing as Iam part of a mega corp of like oh I dont know 5 ppl I can understand how you and yours felt thrratend buy us and our superior indys and cruisers. I am sure we have many in the world of each shivering in stations everwhere. Simply put you ARE bullys, cowards, liars and thiefs in not only pirates to boot. I would thing that after all the reading of this thread and the post herin I would say calling you and yours pirates is not at all the truth. We would be giving pirates a bad name to be associated with the likes of you. They are at least pround of what they do not like some kind of closet freak like you. It is okay we all know and your going to have to come out some time. We wont judge you. Well ok we probaly will.
I wasnt aware that Federal Navy Academy and its 4457 members were based in Curse. If you wish to be taken seriously, why not post with your real character?
BTW, in case you missed it Curse is closed space and your isk was returned. I also know your CEO quite well, he will be hearing from me. So, to say that my corp in anyway wronged you is untrue and uncalled for. Espicially coming from a player hiding behind his alt.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.11 01:39:00 -
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That is perfectly stated. I cant wait fore the ppl that dont know to opine.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.11 01:42:00 -
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Ok due to the following thread:-
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=42350&page=1
I was just hoping to get a direct count of who are officialy leaving curse before most of the major powers go on the offensive now the shroud has been dropped and they dont need to worry about PR Retaliations anymore...
If you could provide your corp name + member count that would be great...
Also id like peoples view on how long they think it will take for Curse Alliance to fall... id give them 2 weeks max.
Also, Proclaimer i dont want you coming here telling the CEO of a corp that has left CA that they havent left... leave it for ingame thanks.
Regards
Who left? Nice try
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Methos
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Posted - 2003.11.11 07:56:00 -
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Hello all, I want to say that I do not know many of the CA but I do know the fatal shadows I have had some dealings with them in the past an I chat with them now and again and they seem like good people and I think the idea that they should be help accountable for someone elses tactics. They are part of an alliance, which is like a family of sorts, but you cant expect them to turn on the people that they are obliged to support. We might not like what some of the CA does but it does not change the fact that it livens this otherwise dull mining game up a bit. I have had several ships lost to pirates and I ****ed and moaned about it for awhile and then I got over it Sh*t happens if you dont like it quit. Obviously this "Curse allience of pirates" is making the game more fun and more indepth than it was before because after all I think a magority of the post now days are about them. And what praytell well people talk/whine about if they decided to up and leave? I have been blasted by the best of them and lost my ship and millions in loot and mins but I am still here laughing my butt of at all the waaaing that goes on here. I am the CEO of a small corp that most likely will run a foul of this or that "pirate" at some point in time and take heavy losses as we did with M3G4 experiance. So get over it we have, simply put there need to be preadators to keep the mindless sheep population down. The unwary should know there is no excuse for ingnorance.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence,
then, is not an act, but a habit." ARISTOTLE |
Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.11 11:23:00 -
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Jesus Duke, play the ******* game. Your what 40?
You don't have to have a moral justification. This game is built for PvP, if you want to fight that is fine. Just check the righteousness at the door.
First off age is irrelevent. I play the game with an RP flair, simple as that. Seconldy, since we RP the honorable corp, there does need to be moral justification for any war we're involved in.
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I was killed and podded by Rampage and his crew in U-K the other night...flying a FRIGATE!! Wasnt asked why I was here...wasnt given a warning....was locked/webbed/scrambled and killed. -wolfman alpha
It is SA policy to kos any non-corper in a noob frigate. They are used on both sides of the war as spies to give away positions and fleet composition. That is not piracy since you had nothing to loot and no passage fee was requested. If that was piracy then we would be the poorest pirates in the galaxy. Many ships pass our blockades since they fly their corp tags and are not affiliated with an enemy corp. At best you could "accuse" us of griefing (killing for the sake of killing) but that would be inaccurate as the reasons are quite clear and valid.
Lytta: Believe it or not I am trying to keep a fairly open mind but there is a glaring inconsistancy. The pause I do find important. He says "no piracy" then pauses to catch himself and continues with "EXCEPT what we have agreed on". Now that clearly indicates that some level of piracy had already been agreed upon. If no piracy had been agreed on then why would he not just say "and no piracy like we agreed" or something to that effect? I can buy that the "until saturday" statement was conditional upon some anticipated event on saturday but have not heard a plausable explanation about the other.
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simply put there need to be predators to keep the mindless sheep population down. -Methos
roflmao... too funny. As i've always said "Although we're anti-pirate I wouldn't want to see pirates driven out of the game. What the hell would we do then?".
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blablak
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Posted - 2003.11.11 11:48:00 -
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wrong duke you play the corp CLAIMING to be honorable. Running away and only attacking when your sure to win is not honorable by any definition.
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blablak
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Posted - 2003.11.11 11:48:00 -
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wrong duke you play the corp CLAIMING to be honorable. Running away and only attacking when your sure to win is not honorable by any definition.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.11 14:35:00 -
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wrong duke you play the corp CLAIMING to be honorable. Running away and only attacking when your sure to win is not honorable by any definition.
LMAO
Do I smell a CA alt that is frustrated about OC killing your battleships while you only manage to kill some of their cruisers?
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
MrBinary
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:27:00 -
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I'm part of the CA.
What I find amusing about this thread is how non-CA members are trying to tell CA members what's going on in our own alliance.
And if that weren't enough of a belly full for ya...the non-CA guys actually believe their own hype! Classic!
OMG guys! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Everyone in the CA, stop mining, stop building, stop owning! Aneu says we are finished!
What a turkey. :)
By the way...the other day, several SA corps...and several FA corps came to me with highly confidential information about them leaving their respective alliances! I was told not to give corp names at this point because they are waiting for the right moment to announce their intentions.
Also, I have it on good faith that SA and FA members regularily eat their own babies.
LOL!
Laughing at you,
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:28:00 -
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Nah, I just clicked the wrong char. I'm not very frustrated, "not killing" an OC Raven today made my day actually.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:45:00 -
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I'm part of the CA.
What I find amusing about this thread is how non-CA members are trying to tell CA members what's going on in our own alliance.
And if that weren't enough of a belly full for ya...the non-CA guys actually believe their own hype! Classic!
OMG guys! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Everyone in the CA, stop mining, stop building, stop owning! Aneu says we are finished!
What a turkey. :)
By the way...the other day, several SA corps...and several FA corps came to me with highly confidential information about them leaving their respective alliances! I was told not to give corp names at this point because they are waiting for the right moment to announce their intentions.
Also, I have it on good faith that SA and FA members regularily eat their own babies.
LOL!
Laughing at you,
MrBinary
Well concidering some of the responses iv had, most of CA doesnt know what the 'whole' is doing lol...
Supposedly a non-pirate corp, even the leaders of the Alliance believed it was a non-pirate corp even when they had meetings about pirating... lol! MrBinary come back when your actually any good at PR, hm... go to the PA boards and train up :)
Regards
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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