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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2003.11.09 04:28:00 -
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Ok due to the following thread:-
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=42350&page=1
I was just hoping to get a direct count of who are officialy leaving curse before most of the major powers go on the offensive now the shroud has been dropped and they dont need to worry about PR Retaliations anymore...
If you could provide your corp name + member count that would be great...
Also id like peoples view on how long they think it will take for Curse Alliance to fall... id give them 2 weeks max.
Also, Proclaimer i dont want you coming here telling the CEO of a corp that has left CA that they havent left... leave it for ingame thanks.
Regards
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2003.11.09 04:42:00 -
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who the **** are you?
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Fenring
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Posted - 2003.11.09 04:53:00 -
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who the **** are you?
Well at least you are constructive.
As to how long I give them? 21 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes and 35 seconds.
"The enemy to be feared is the one who wears the face of a friend"
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Beneb
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Posted - 2003.11.09 06:51:00 -
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I give the CA a lot longer than 2 weeks. Now I don't care what is going on as the forums have lots of interesting info. Yes, this new info looks bad, but hasn't SA, CFS, CC been after the CA for a few months now? If I'm correct CA is just as powerful as they were before. This new info won't do anything involving the survival of CA.
Let's all move on and keep killing anyone in 0.0 space as that is what the game intended for 
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Jonathon Reynolds
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Posted - 2003.11.09 06:56:00 -
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I give the CA a lot longer than 2 weeks. Now I don't care what is going on as the forums have lots of interesting info. Yes, this new info looks bad, but hasn't SA, CFS, CC been after the CA for a few months now? If I'm correct CA is just as powerful as they were before. This new info won't do anything involving the survival of CA.
Every good war machine depends on one thing; logistical support.
The information leaked to Xanadu corporation should give any legitimate corporation within the Curse Alliance something to think about; do they really want to be tarred with the same brush as those in the Alliance who are openly admitting to piracy and warmongering?
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Kalki Nibiru
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Posted - 2003.11.09 06:59:00 -
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Beneb, I'm going to tell Tem this myself, but until I get around to it tell him that "if he is to expect his wishes to go through, I will require the information he said he was going to give me earlier as all of this new information makes me wary" you may not understand what this means, but he will.
Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate
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<Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market?
<Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with |
pooti
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Posted - 2003.11.09 09:41:00 -
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Beneb, I'm going to tell Tem this myself, but until I get around to it tell him that "if he is to expect his wishes to go through, I will require the information he said he was going to give me earlier as all of this new information makes me wary" you may not understand what this means, but he will.
GRIEFER
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.09 12:41:00 -
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I give the CA a lot longer than 2 weeks. Now I don't care what is going on as the forums have lots of interesting info. Yes, this new info looks bad, but hasn't SA, CFS, CC been after the CA for a few months now? If I'm correct CA is just as powerful as they were before. This new info won't do anything involving the survival of CA.
Every good war machine depends on one thing; logistical support.
The information leaked to Xanadu corporation should give any legitimate corporation within the Curse Alliance something to think about; do they really want to be tarred with the same brush as those in the Alliance who are openly admitting to piracy and warmongering?
I am in one of the "legitimate corps" of CA and the only thing the sound snippets have shown me is not to trust ANYTHING any SA member says on the boards. (not that I didnt know that already).
I was in the channel for 2 of the snipets.
1) The plan for attack on the CFS was part of a whole discussion wether or not to resume the war. We had plenty of reason for this as CFS members kept fighting alongside SA. In the end it was decided not to resume the war. A few hours ago we had another CFS guy in curse against the treaty. I wonder who hasnt got their members under control here.
2) The lockdown was decided unanymous and is nothing that NVA, SA or FA havent done before.
As for xetic, 2 days ago we had a mexican standoff between SA (mass mainly) and CA. Xetic alliance lost at least 3 ships to "accidents" to mass, 0 to big bad CA that let them pass. Sometimes I think its more dangerous to be allied/neutral to SA then to be their enemy.
As for deniability SA deny theirlosses/attacks of innocents every day. While I don't believe in this tactic, why should I deny my alliance members a tactic the enemy uses?
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2003.11.09 13:34:00 -
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Well i currently have reports of 4 CA corps leaving, i wont post who they are due to them expressly forbiding me to just yet, but as soon as more corps rally to the same cause, im sure they will speak up.
Regards
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2003.11.09 13:35:00 -
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who the **** are you?
It seems i am an eve-player just like yourself...
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Rixeh
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Posted - 2003.11.09 13:59:00 -
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Hah yeah I bet 4 CA corps would actually say "ok you know what, we're leaving AND we're gonna tell Aneu, some random goober from the forums, cause he's IN THE KNOW man."
You honestly think anyone's taking you seriously here?
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Of war men will ask its outcome, not its cause.
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Araborne
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Posted - 2003.11.09 14:09:00 -
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Hah yeah I bet 4 CA corps would actually say "ok you know what, we're leaving AND we're gonna tell Aneu, some random goober from the forums, cause he's IN THE KNOW man."
You honestly think anyone's taking you seriously here?
"There is always deniability"
--- Layla, Curse Alliance of Pirates
"There is always deniability"
--- Leyla, Curse Alliance of Pirates
"Hey what kind of underpants am I wearing ?"
--- Pooti, CrossDressing CA member
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Rixeh
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Posted - 2003.11.09 14:15:00 -
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Woohoo, CC homo #1 enters the fight. Ok bud, tell me exactly what that quote of yours means in this context. Can you? I bet you can't; you just pulled it out of your ass because you want a part in this -- even if it's the SMALLEST part of all.
Like everyone's said already. Xanadu's on the slow side; those recordings are a week old, peace has been renegotiated with CFS, CA is being shut down, and SA/FA/CC are still polesmokers. OMG BREAKING NEWS!?
Apparently. Go die in a ditch you worthless****.
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Of war men will ask its outcome, not its cause.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.11.09 14:18:00 -
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"1) The plan for attack on the CFS was part of a whole discussion wether or not to resume the war. We had plenty of reason for this as CFS members kept fighting alongside SA. In the end it was decided not to resume the war. A few hours ago we had another CFS guy in curse against the treaty. I wonder who hasnt got their members under control here."
Name please? Also names of CFS members fighting with SA?
I'm aware of none of this and I read our forums several times a day. If you'll provide the names along with screenshots showing that member in your space I'll be happy to deal with it.
Calladen Nimitz
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.09 14:39:00 -
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[As for xetic, 2 days ago we had a mexican standoff between SA (mass mainly) and CA. Xetic alliance lost at least 3 ships to "accidents" to mass, 0 to big bad CA that let them pass. Sometimes I think its more dangerous to be allied/neutral to SA then to be their enemy.
Very incorrect. But we did accidently kill 1 ship. Which was very embarassing since they had 1 member in local telling more Xetic was soon to pass.[:oops]
Situation was that a "derelict" indy came, and our members scrambled it, waiting for indentification. However, one member scrambling it had all his drones out and didn't know that drones automaticly attack. And as you don't get message about damage made by drones, he didn't realize this. So his drones blew up a Xetic industrial.
But I think that this has been solved and the member in question surely got to hear what he had done...
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.11.09 16:58:00 -
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Well i currently have reports of 4 CA corps leaving, i wont post who they are due to them expressly forbiding me to just yet, but as soon as more corps rally to the same cause, im sure they will speak up.
Regards
You are inncorrect. Four (4) people left Curse, not 4 corps.
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2003.11.09 18:09:00 -
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Well i currently have reports of 4 CA corps leaving, i wont post who they are due to them expressly forbiding me to just yet, but as soon as more corps rally to the same cause, im sure they will speak up.
Regards
You are inncorrect. Four (4) people left Curse, not 4 corps.
4 people? I think not... I know for a FACT that 4 corps have left, and as for the 'We are leaving CA lets tell Aneu' comment is concerned. I have ties with a few of the mining corps within curse that supply me with Mega when i need it, so i do have contacts im afraid... next...
Regards
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.11.09 18:23:00 -
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You are very full of crap Aneu.
No 4 corps are leaving CA.
Why whoudl they?
They now that the **** FA posted is jsut another bunch of propaganda lies.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.11.09 18:29:00 -
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They now that the **** FA posted is jsut another bunch of propaganda lies.
Your CEO is spreading our propaganda lies on your TS?
Wow.
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Uzael
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Posted - 2003.11.09 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Uzael on 09/11/2003 18:35:48
Watching CA tread water is about the funniest thing I've ever seen. Let me tell you this Rix, Until you acctually come out of the station and fight I suggest you shut your mouth. I hope you fair better than Mobious or Omegatron, cause both of them got smoked with a quickness last night.
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.11.09 18:36:00 -
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They now that the **** FA posted is jsut another bunch of propaganda lies.
Your CEO is spreading our propaganda lies on your TS?
Wow.
I can also quote things people have said and take it out of context and post them here but appart from you I believe the people here are smarter then to believe such things so I don't.
Your so called proof says nothing really part from things we have openly namely closing down our territory.
And I don't think you should open your mouth about that as you have done the same.
Bottomlne is that you don't dare to fight this out fair and tries to gather support from others by posting lies.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.09 18:53:00 -
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It doesn't matter what "context" you take it in. It's quite clear that CA has been exposed for the backstabbing pirate scum they are. You can't spin this one and trying to just makes you look even more foolish and flat out liars.
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.11.09 18:56:00 -
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It doesn't matter what "context" you take it in. It's quite clear that CA has been exposed for the backstabbing pirate scum they are. You can't spin this one and trying to just makes you look even more foolish and flat out liars.
Again I ask you to post some REAL proof for anyhting liek that.
I have yet to see anythign but FA trying to spn the truth. We are securing our space and are taking a stance against people treathening us. Can you please tell me how that is backstabbing or piracy?
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.09 22:00:00 -
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It doesn't matter what "context" you take it in. It's quite clear that CA has been exposed for the backstabbing pirate scum they are. You can't spin this one and trying to just makes you look even more foolish and flat out liars.
You know you know someone is really stupid if he says "it doenst matter what context it is in". Anyone with a high school education should have been tought about the importance of context.
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boeses frettchen
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Posted - 2003.11.09 22:10:00 -
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You know you know someone is really stupid if he says "it doenst matter what context it is in". Anyone with a high school education should have been tought about the importance of context.
Oh yes. Out of context this would probably sound as if members of the CA were pirating with their CEO's knowledge.
So please help us poor uninformed fools and put "no pirating other than what we agreed to till saturday" into the right context.
Thanks a lot.
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Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.11.09 22:36:00 -
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You know you know someone is really stupid if he says "it doenst matter what context it is in". Anyone with a high school education should have been tought about the importance of context.
Oh yes. Out of context this would probably sound as if members of the CA were pirating with their CEO's knowledge.
So please help us poor uninformed fools and put "no pirating other than what we agreed to till saturday" into the right context.
Thanks a lot.
That actually is a splendid exemple of what I am talking about. You have absolutely no idea what he is refering to there. Did it ever occur to you that you could use the term pirating for exemple for guerelli like raid into enemy territory?
There are more applications but if you want to prove that it in fact is what you are trying to make it then please present a victim for our so called piracy together with a screenshot. That whould give you at least some credibility.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
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boeses frettchen
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Posted - 2003.11.09 22:42:00 -
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"They are not pirating. They are making a guerilla raid into enemy territory."
Good that there's always deniability, eh?
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.11.09 22:51:00 -
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"They are not pirating. They are making a guerilla raid into enemy territory."
Good that there's always deniability, eh?
If you think the two are the same you need to read up on either your history or the dictionary. Or both.
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Moving again, comfort of the chase
Now and again, this my saving grace
Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove
Keep me alive and give me something to lose
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boeses frettchen
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Posted - 2003.11.09 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: boeses frettchen on 09/11/2003 23:01:18
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If you think the two are the same you need to read up on either your history or the dictionary. Or both.
Noctoz said that by "pirating" his CEO means "guerilla raid into enemy territory".
Maybe you should ask him for the Sinister - Dictionary. It could help clear up some "missunderstandings" between CA and the rest of the galaxy.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.09 23:44:00 -
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Nobody cares, move along.
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.11.09 23:50:00 -
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Oh come on Reclaimer, don't be mad because OC blew up your Raven last night.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.11.10 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Scragg on 10/11/2003 04:54:21
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Hah yeah I bet 4 CA corps would actually say "ok you know what, we're leaving AND we're gonna tell Aneu, some random goober from the forums, cause he's IN THE KNOW man."
You honestly think anyone's taking you seriously here?
Rixeh,
Look at Aneu Angellus's name and corp and use your brain you twit.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 05:24:00 -
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Unless you're a complete buffoon... err, allow me to explain. When I said... Quote:
it doesn't matter what context you take it in
this means that there are only a couple viable explanations or "contexts" that this could possibly be taken in and none of them are good.
When you say Quote:
no pirating other than what we agreed to till saturday
Only a fool would believe you meant "guerilla raids" as you just tried to claim. If that's what you meant (piracy=guerilla raids) then why would you tell them to NOT do guerilla raids? You're at war fool, you should encourage your warriors to press the fight. No, it is quite clear that you meant piracy as we all know the term.
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Lytta
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Posted - 2003.11.10 05:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lytta on 10/11/2003 05:47:27
And you all seem to miss the obvious BREAK in the sentence after the word "pirating". Such a break is used to imply a new thought or direction in the middle of the sentence.
Example:
"Everyone keep your {composure} and stay cool, Bob Redon no pirating ok, until Saturday like we agreed." Now in my example, it would seem to most people, that the information given is as follows:
1. Stay calm and cool until Saturday as planned (vote day)
2. Bob and Redon were told directly NOT TO PIRATE!
Example #2:
"That Duke is pretty strong leader actually, did I mention he was 'gey', Im glad he is so vocal on the forums."
Information given:
1. Duke is a good leader who is very vocal on the forums.
2. he is 'gey'.
The 2 ideas have no connection except they are used in the same sentence. And since they are seperated by that COMMA, hold 2 different meanings or give different information.
***I guess if you close your eyes and just hear what you want...it explains it all really.
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Goldar Hektu
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Posted - 2003.11.10 06:30:00 -
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Example:
"Everyone keep your {composure} and stay cool, Bob Redon no pirating ok, until Saturday like we agreed." Now in my example, it would seem to most people, that the information given is as follows:
1. Stay calm and cool until Saturday as planned (vote day)
2. Bob and Redon were told directly NOT TO PIRATE!
Seems like you re-arranged some words here. I believe it was more like...
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Everybody, just keep their **** together, stay calm, Bob, Redon, everybody, no pirating, in..., other than what we agreed to til Saturday. Ok? IS.. That.. That's not too much to ask.
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I wasn't planning on it yet
(emphasis mine)
http://eve.miggy.org/downloads/curses/No_pirating_till_saturday.mp3
There's no pause between "other than what we agreed to" and "til Saturday." Bob, Redon, and everyone else there weren't told not to pirate, they were told not to pirate othere than where it was agreed they could, until Saturday. Whoever replied made it clear that they were planning to pirate, just not yet.
Your 150mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Serpentis Drug Baron, wrecking for 192.8 damage. |
Noctoz
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Posted - 2003.11.10 06:39:00 -
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Unless you're a complete buffoon... err, allow me to explain. When I said... Quote:
it doesn't matter what context you take it in
this means that there are only a couple viable explanations or "contexts" that this could possibly be taken in and none of them are good.
When you say Quote:
no pirating other than what we agreed to till saturday
Only a fool would believe you meant "guerilla raids" as you just tried to claim. If that's what you meant (piracy=guerilla raids) then why would you tell them to NOT do guerilla raids? You're at war fool, you should encourage your warriors to press the fight. No, it is quite clear that you meant piracy as we all know the term.
Despite countless increadibly stupid posts on theses boards I seriously believe you guys are capable of understanding fully what I am saying. You just try to tweak it to suit your PR machine. I say it again, IF we actually refered to actual piracy then where have we done any such thing and against whom. I have yet to see one occurance of piracy reported.
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NoctoZ
Black Reign
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.10 07:29:00 -
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I wasnt on the channel for that bit but I have a sneaky suspicion that what "was agreed upon" is on that recording as well and would show that the "pirating" were normal acts of war.
After all the the part of "we will attack cfs" was cut as well wich was just a proposition and wich was decided against. This should have been on your recording as well.
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boeses frettchen
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Posted - 2003.11.10 08:51:00 -
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i know...
"if the need arises, go ahead. there's always deniability." - Leyla, SINC CEO
...but you could really try harder next time.
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Zhuan
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Posted - 2003.11.10 09:28:00 -
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OK, reclaimer if your corp is not a pirate corp then it was an accident when your corps missiles and ammo trashed my corps ships in curse awhile ago and then demanded 3mill isk a week or you would destroy more of our ships and seeing as Iam part of a mega corp of like oh I dont know 5 ppl I can understand how you and yours felt thrratend buy us and our superior indys and cruisers. I am sure we have many in the world of each shivering in stations everwhere. Simply put you ARE bullys, cowards, liars and thiefs in not only pirates to boot. I would thing that after all the reading of this thread and the post herin I would say calling you and yours pirates is not at all the truth. We would be giving pirates a bad name to be associated with the likes of you. They are at least pround of what they do not like some kind of closet freak like you. It is okay we all know and your going to have to come out some time. We wont judge you. Well ok we probaly will. |
Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.11.10 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 10/11/2003 11:24:40
It actually occurred to me that there was a slight, slim, extremely remote possibility that the word "pirating" was used in reference to using pirating tactics in legitimate wartime activites.
But if the use of the term "pirating" was a harmless reference to guerilla warfare tactics, then why even discuss "deniability?"
Deniability, by common usage, is a prefabricated lie. And the most effective type of deniability is the "plausible" kind, which is what you get when certain people in positions of power are kept out of the loop when a conspiracy is afoot.
I have to wonder if we are seeing this sort of thing at work in CA.
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Kaligula
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Posted - 2003.11.10 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kaligula on 10/11/2003 14:21:03
Good god people...those clips where not even part of the same conversation...
I simply dont know WHY I bother. Your "mostly" all morons who talk sh1t from 40 systems away but cant come down and TRY to do anything more then talk.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.11.10 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kaligula on 10/11/2003 14:21:03
Good god people...those clips where not even part of the same conversation...
I simply dont know WHY I bother. Your "mostly" all morons who talk sh1t from 40 systems away but cant come down and TRY to do anything more then talk.
woo whooo... watch it spin! Spin it boy spin it!
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.10 16:55:00 -
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Example:
"Everyone keep your {composure} and stay cool, Bob Redon no pirating ok, until Saturday like we agreed." Now in my example, it would seem to most people, that the information given is as follows:
1. Stay calm and cool until Saturday as planned (vote day)
2. Bob and Redon were told directly NOT TO PIRATE!
You conveniently forgot 3. (and altered the original statement) "other than what we agreed to til Saturday." This means that they have already agreed to some limited piracy and have more planned on saturday or will discuss more on saturday.
I asked the following:
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If that's what you meant (piracy=guerilla raids) then why would you tell them to NOT do guerilla raids? You're at war fool, you should encourage your warriors to press the fight. -Duke Droklar
You have yet to explain this error in logic that you're trying to put forth. Answer the question.
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I say it again, IF we actually refered to actual piracy then where have we done any such thing and against whom. I have yet to see one occurance of piracy reported. -Noctoz
Come now. Simply because you use your new claim to GW and Catch as an excuse does not mean that the innocent victims there have not been pirated.
OSHT is actually better then HED to defend Curse. Defense was never CAs intentions though and they have pirated HED from long before the war and is one of the major reasons for the war.
By CAs logic, if CA claims all of eve and declares war on everyone then we're not pirates... we're legitimately at war. Oh wait, they mentioned that as well didn't they.
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what
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Posted - 2003.11.10 17:45:00 -
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Jesus Duke, play the ******* game. Your what 40?
You don't have to have a moral justification. This game is built for PvP, if you want to fight that is fine. Just check the righteousness at the door.
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James Hawkings
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Posted - 2003.11.10 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: James Hawkings on 10/11/2003 18:26:19
wow, everybody who is fighting curse thinks of themselves so highly. amazing spirit, now only if they did more than talk on the boards......
~Built Hauler Tough~
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.10 18:30:00 -
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"They are not pirating. They are making a guerilla raid into enemy territory."
Good that there's always deniability, eh?
If you think the two are the same you need to read up on either your history or the dictionary. Or both.
Don't bother. I doubt they're really so deluded that they think the General Eve Populace will rise up in arms against Curse and declare Xanadu their lightbringers.
This serves a far better purpose, as demonstrated above, for providing catchy quotes and soundbytes. Ask a question they don't answer? Paste "there's always deniability!" Ask for the proof they bray about but don't have? "There's always deniability!" Sigs, posters, links and bumper stickers. Just like any dirty, greedy politician wages his propaganda war, that's all these schlubs are doing.
Here's a soundbyte of my own. I encourage all CA members to add it to their own sigs royalty-free :
got those screenshots yet?
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.11.10 18:35:00 -
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woo whooo... watch it spin! Spin it boy spin it!
yeah, this from Captain Content. You don't EVEN provide as much insightful commentary as Ed McMahon.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
WOLFMAN ALPHA
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Posted - 2003.11.11 00:43:00 -
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ANY SA alliance memeber has no room to talk about piracy...NONE!
I was killed and podded by Rampage and his crew in U-K the other night...flying a FRIGATE!! Wasnt asked why I was here...wasnt given a warning....was locked/webbed/scrambled and killed.
Now how come SA can claim I was a "spy" and kill me but everyone else that does it is a pirate? I was in a FRELLING frigate exploring systems for cool roids or something like Explore-Eve has. And they just killed me for NO reason...and then laughed.
Stain has NO ROOM to talk about anyone else pirating if they do the same. NONE!!!
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Lytta
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Posted - 2003.11.11 01:00:00 -
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Duke...
Even if I use your clip, which I will admit is more accurate, it still doesnt change the emphasis after the word "pirates". The very tone and rhythm of his voice shows there are 2 different thoughts in the sentence.
1. For everyone to stay cool and wait till Saturday when we voted too see if we should break the treaty with CFS based on several documented incidents of CFS ships entering CA space before the deadline. Which was voted NO...keep the peace btw.
2. To ask that certain key individuals refrain from leaving the CA until Saturday to see what direction the vote went. They wanted war with CFS but were the minority and sincee they are valuable friends and members, Xirt asked them to wait a see for the vote.
Does that not make sence? I am sure you wont believe me but since I was actully there I DO know better then you. Sorry but its true...
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.11 01:00:00 -
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OK, reclaimer if your corp is not a pirate corp then it was an accident when your corps missiles and ammo trashed my corps ships in curse awhile ago and then demanded 3mill isk a week or you would destroy more of our ships and seeing as Iam part of a mega corp of like oh I dont know 5 ppl I can understand how you and yours felt thrratend buy us and our superior indys and cruisers. I am sure we have many in the world of each shivering in stations everwhere. Simply put you ARE bullys, cowards, liars and thiefs in not only pirates to boot. I would thing that after all the reading of this thread and the post herin I would say calling you and yours pirates is not at all the truth. We would be giving pirates a bad name to be associated with the likes of you. They are at least pround of what they do not like some kind of closet freak like you. It is okay we all know and your going to have to come out some time. We wont judge you. Well ok we probaly will.
I wasnt aware that Federal Navy Academy and its 4457 members were based in Curse. If you wish to be taken seriously, why not post with your real character?
BTW, in case you missed it Curse is closed space and your isk was returned. I also know your CEO quite well, he will be hearing from me. So, to say that my corp in anyway wronged you is untrue and uncalled for. Espicially coming from a player hiding behind his alt.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.11 01:39:00 -
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That is perfectly stated. I cant wait fore the ppl that dont know to opine.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.11 01:42:00 -
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Ok due to the following thread:-
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=42350&page=1
I was just hoping to get a direct count of who are officialy leaving curse before most of the major powers go on the offensive now the shroud has been dropped and they dont need to worry about PR Retaliations anymore...
If you could provide your corp name + member count that would be great...
Also id like peoples view on how long they think it will take for Curse Alliance to fall... id give them 2 weeks max.
Also, Proclaimer i dont want you coming here telling the CEO of a corp that has left CA that they havent left... leave it for ingame thanks.
Regards
Who left? Nice try
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Methos
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Posted - 2003.11.11 07:56:00 -
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Hello all, I want to say that I do not know many of the CA but I do know the fatal shadows I have had some dealings with them in the past an I chat with them now and again and they seem like good people and I think the idea that they should be help accountable for someone elses tactics. They are part of an alliance, which is like a family of sorts, but you cant expect them to turn on the people that they are obliged to support. We might not like what some of the CA does but it does not change the fact that it livens this otherwise dull mining game up a bit. I have had several ships lost to pirates and I ****ed and moaned about it for awhile and then I got over it Sh*t happens if you dont like it quit. Obviously this "Curse allience of pirates" is making the game more fun and more indepth than it was before because after all I think a magority of the post now days are about them. And what praytell well people talk/whine about if they decided to up and leave? I have been blasted by the best of them and lost my ship and millions in loot and mins but I am still here laughing my butt of at all the waaaing that goes on here. I am the CEO of a small corp that most likely will run a foul of this or that "pirate" at some point in time and take heavy losses as we did with M3G4 experiance. So get over it we have, simply put there need to be preadators to keep the mindless sheep population down. The unwary should know there is no excuse for ingnorance.
"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence,
then, is not an act, but a habit." ARISTOTLE |
Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.11 11:23:00 -
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Jesus Duke, play the ******* game. Your what 40?
You don't have to have a moral justification. This game is built for PvP, if you want to fight that is fine. Just check the righteousness at the door.
First off age is irrelevent. I play the game with an RP flair, simple as that. Seconldy, since we RP the honorable corp, there does need to be moral justification for any war we're involved in.
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I was killed and podded by Rampage and his crew in U-K the other night...flying a FRIGATE!! Wasnt asked why I was here...wasnt given a warning....was locked/webbed/scrambled and killed. -wolfman alpha
It is SA policy to kos any non-corper in a noob frigate. They are used on both sides of the war as spies to give away positions and fleet composition. That is not piracy since you had nothing to loot and no passage fee was requested. If that was piracy then we would be the poorest pirates in the galaxy. Many ships pass our blockades since they fly their corp tags and are not affiliated with an enemy corp. At best you could "accuse" us of griefing (killing for the sake of killing) but that would be inaccurate as the reasons are quite clear and valid.
Lytta: Believe it or not I am trying to keep a fairly open mind but there is a glaring inconsistancy. The pause I do find important. He says "no piracy" then pauses to catch himself and continues with "EXCEPT what we have agreed on". Now that clearly indicates that some level of piracy had already been agreed upon. If no piracy had been agreed on then why would he not just say "and no piracy like we agreed" or something to that effect? I can buy that the "until saturday" statement was conditional upon some anticipated event on saturday but have not heard a plausable explanation about the other.
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simply put there need to be predators to keep the mindless sheep population down. -Methos
roflmao... too funny. As i've always said "Although we're anti-pirate I wouldn't want to see pirates driven out of the game. What the hell would we do then?".
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blablak
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Posted - 2003.11.11 11:48:00 -
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wrong duke you play the corp CLAIMING to be honorable. Running away and only attacking when your sure to win is not honorable by any definition.
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blablak
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Posted - 2003.11.11 11:48:00 -
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wrong duke you play the corp CLAIMING to be honorable. Running away and only attacking when your sure to win is not honorable by any definition.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.11 14:35:00 -
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wrong duke you play the corp CLAIMING to be honorable. Running away and only attacking when your sure to win is not honorable by any definition.
LMAO
Do I smell a CA alt that is frustrated about OC killing your battleships while you only manage to kill some of their cruisers?
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
MrBinary
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:27:00 -
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I'm part of the CA.
What I find amusing about this thread is how non-CA members are trying to tell CA members what's going on in our own alliance.
And if that weren't enough of a belly full for ya...the non-CA guys actually believe their own hype! Classic!
OMG guys! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Everyone in the CA, stop mining, stop building, stop owning! Aneu says we are finished!
What a turkey. :)
By the way...the other day, several SA corps...and several FA corps came to me with highly confidential information about them leaving their respective alliances! I was told not to give corp names at this point because they are waiting for the right moment to announce their intentions.
Also, I have it on good faith that SA and FA members regularily eat their own babies.
LOL!
Laughing at you,
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:28:00 -
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Nah, I just clicked the wrong char. I'm not very frustrated, "not killing" an OC Raven today made my day actually.
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:45:00 -
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I'm part of the CA.
What I find amusing about this thread is how non-CA members are trying to tell CA members what's going on in our own alliance.
And if that weren't enough of a belly full for ya...the non-CA guys actually believe their own hype! Classic!
OMG guys! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Everyone in the CA, stop mining, stop building, stop owning! Aneu says we are finished!
What a turkey. :)
By the way...the other day, several SA corps...and several FA corps came to me with highly confidential information about them leaving their respective alliances! I was told not to give corp names at this point because they are waiting for the right moment to announce their intentions.
Also, I have it on good faith that SA and FA members regularily eat their own babies.
LOL!
Laughing at you,
MrBinary
Well concidering some of the responses iv had, most of CA doesnt know what the 'whole' is doing lol...
Supposedly a non-pirate corp, even the leaders of the Alliance believed it was a non-pirate corp even when they had meetings about pirating... lol! MrBinary come back when your actually any good at PR, hm... go to the PA boards and train up :)
Regards
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: MrBinary on 11/11/2003 18:53:47
Three things Aneu, my friend.
One, don't get upset because your little post holds no water.
Two, don't try to tell anyone besides yourself what to do. Either on the boards, or in game. You only look more the foolish.
Three, yes I am laughing at you. You propoganda works as well as G.W.B. and T.B.
Still laughing at you,
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:53:00 -
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Nah, I just clicked the wrong char. I'm not very frustrated, "not killing" an OC Raven today made my day actually.
hehe, should have known it was you
Did it make your day today to make all the jumps into Stain to get to see me in local?
Point is, OC has a VERY positive score in the war and you can not claim that they are not an honourable corp.
And, MrBinary, while I certainly agree about your point, you could start with explaining to the other corps in your alliance why we are in war.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
MrBinary
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Posted - 2003.11.11 18:58:00 -
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Heya Dalman,
Unfortunately, I don't even know why there is a war between Stain and Curse.
No one on our side has ever told me, and when I see someone from your side, I'm too busy trying not to get blown up, to ask questions. :)
In good humour,
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2003.11.11 19:04:00 -
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Heya Dalman,
Unfortunately, I don't even know why there is a war between Stain and Curse.
No one on our side has ever told me, and when I see someone from your side, I'm too busy trying not to get blown up, to ask questions. :)
In good humour,
MrBinary
Lol this is funny... you admit of mal-comunication yet you know everything that happens within your alliance... isnt that odd?
Also i havent TOLD anyone to DO anything, iv just given hints at what they COULD do and what they MIGHT even do... so go away and learn some PR skills you may actually be able to hold your own on these boards someday...
Regards
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Aneu Angellus
Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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MrBinary
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Posted - 2003.11.11 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: MrBinary on 11/11/2003 20:02:45
Aneu twice posted to the effect,
"Also i havent TOLD anyone to DO anything, iv just given hints at what they COULD do and what they MIGHT even do... so go away and learn some PR skills you may actually be able to hold your own on these boards someday..."
Well, I'm no scholar but that would appear to be a contradiction. But whatever.
"yet you know everything that happens within your alliance..."
Did I say that?
By "PR"...did you by chance mean "public relations"? If so, it would appear that you need to brush up on its definition my friend.
I would have to consider myself to be pretty good at public relations actually. I am usually pretty pleasant and friendly, cheery and upbeat. Even to those who are my "enemies" in game. I don't come on these boards intent on upsetting anyone. I don't curse and swear. I don't personally insult anyone. I don't try to push my opinions on others as fact.
I don't think I'm deficient in any of these skills.
And just because I don't know of every incident, and every conversation ever held in EVE...doesn't mean I don't have a basic understanding of the alliance of which I'm part of. Try to understand that there are pilots in EVE that pay more attention to thier own ship, and less about what others are doing.
You implied that the CA is crumbling. I can see it from an inside angle. From what I see, CA is as it was yesterday, and the day before that, and the week before that...same people, same corps...and the same people on the other side saying we are about to crumble, have crumbled, or are already dead.
So please Aneu. Don't get so upset that I have presented some very basic, and common knowledge that flys in the face of your theory. Don't take it personally, your just wrong.
By the way...your two weeks is almost up.
I love you man!
em/ hugs Aneu
MrBinary
"[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary" |
Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.11 20:15:00 -
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wrong duke you play the corp CLAIMING to be honorable. Running away and only attacking when your sure to win is not honorable by any definition. -blablak/Iluyen
What makes me chuckle is that this "brave warrior" is only seen in the company of the largest of CA fleets, obviously preferring the safety of numbers. So when he does encounter an OC raiding party that is outnumbered 3-1 (because that is all he will travel with) he believes we should engage them. The fact is that 90% of the time CA will not engage without 2-1 or wait and wait for 3-1 odds in their favor. There are a few CA (Xirt, Xeno, Bob, Karnah to name a few) that actually have the balls to engage with even numbers and they have earned respect. You however are nothing more then the prisonyard b eetch who talks smack with his "big daddy" behind him.
We have a track record of regularly fighting enemy fleets up to 1.5x our size or firepower. I have only seen CA fight against those odds when they are forced to. Xirt was present at one of the most out numbered battles we willingly engaged in. We had 2BS+3cruisers, CA had 6-7BS+2cruisers. We lost 3 cruisers in that fight (with a "disputed CA BS kill). When you have the balls to willingly fight against those odds you may have some credibility.
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Nah, I just clicked the wrong char. I'm not very frustrated, "not killing" an OC Raven today made my day actually. -Iluyen
We've lost 2 ravens since the beginning of the war and the last one lost was several days ago. Just goes to show that you are either too dim to know what you may have destroyed or are just "truth challenged"... which is it? I guess there is a 3rd option, an "enhanced" state of mind where his days are 96 hours long... just say no, it does kill brain cells and you are running a bit low.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.11 22:16:00 -
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wrong duke you play the corp CLAIMING to be honorable. Running away and only attacking when your sure to win is not honorable by any definition. -blablak/Iluyen
What makes me chuckle is that this "brave warrior" is only seen in the company of the largest of CA fleets, obviously preferring the safety of numbers. So when he does encounter an OC raiding party that is outnumbered 3-1 (because that is all he will travel with) he believes we should engage them. The fact is that 90% of the time CA will not engage without 2-1 or wait and wait for 3-1 odds in their favor. There are a few CA (Xirt, Xeno, Bob, Karnah to name a few) that actually have the balls to engage with even numbers and they have earned respect. You however are nothing more then the prisonyard b eetch who talks smack with his "big daddy" behind him.
We have a track record of regularly fighting enemy fleets up to 1.5x our size or firepower. I have only seen CA fight against those odds when they are forced to. Xirt was present at one of the most out numbered battles we willingly engaged in. We had 2BS+3cruisers, CA had 6-7BS+2cruisers. We lost 3 cruisers in that fight (with a "disputed CA BS kill). When you have the balls to willingly fight against those odds you may have some credibility.
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Nah, I just clicked the wrong char. I'm not very frustrated, "not killing" an OC Raven today made my day actually. -Iluyen
We've lost 2 ravens since the beginning of the war and the last one lost was several days ago. Just goes to show that you are either too dim to know what you may have destroyed or are just "truth challenged"... which is it? I guess there is a 3rd option, an "enhanced" state of mind where his days are 96 hours long... just say no, it does kill brain cells and you are running a bit low.
I actually have tried to engage OC with even numbers, you always run away or hide in m-n7 stations, or better yet you outnumber is 3 to 2 but use the were not jumping to you cause of the lagg, you jump to us excuse.
I knew you wouldnt admit the raven loss:), whats the matter not counting lossed we cause to you deep in stain space? I guess going with 4 people in the middle of SA space is hiding in the company of the largest CA fleets as well?
As for you fighting against the odds, please explain to me why you guys are running away from me when the odds are not 2 to 1 or better? Maybe I smell or something? $
You still havent explained why I haven't seen your ugly face anywhere in curse btw? To afraid to undock from station? Hell even the curce chickens leave station from time to time.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.11 22:20:00 -
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Btw the muppet in the Raven was Tenashi if you wanna try and find out who "didnt" lose his BS again:).
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Stained
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Posted - 2003.11.12 02:05:00 -
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Erm, You lost 2 BS and another 3 Cruiser last night as well. Not that anyone is keeping track.
LoL, I love this game
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Hair is Over-rated.
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Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.11.12 02:49:00 -
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Supposedly a non-pirate corp, even the leaders of the Alliance believed it was a non-pirate corp even when they had meetings about pirating... lol!
Have you even listened to the meeting? I've heard the first hour and I can say the meeting is not "about pirating". Piracy is mentioned, yes, as are how certain actions performed by the CA may be labeled as piracy, but it is not "about pirating".
Such discussions are forced on us in the first place as certain groups of people cry pirate everytime they see "C" and "A" in the same sentence.
In short, no, the things that you make up about the CA are not common knowledge to regular CA members. I hear that the CEO's get a news-letter though.
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Moving again, comfort of the chase
Now and again, this my saving grace
Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove
Keep me alive and give me something to lose
I've been gone so long, but I will come back
I will come back for you |
Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.12 02:51:00 -
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Iluyen: It sounded like you were saying you took the Raven from our offensive force in Curse, I will have to comfirm Tens loss.
Stained: Unlike the CA muppets we have no problems admitting our losses. We also destroyed some CA BS's as well and you still have 20+ BS kills to catch up... but who's counting.
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.12 06:06:00 -
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Iluyen: It sounded like you were saying you took the Raven from our offensive force in Curse, I will have to comfirm Tens loss.
Stained: Unlike the CA muppets we have no problems admitting our losses. We also destroyed some CA BS's as well and you still have 20+ BS kills to catch up... but who's counting.
For someone who has no problem admitting your losses you sure are quick to dismiss losses without knowing what happened.
As far as OC's honor goes, ten gave us another fine example of it when she logged of to try and save her ship. Pity it didnt work:).
Oh yeah, and stop counting, you clearly aren't able to.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.11.12 07:42:00 -
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For someone who has no problem admitting your losses you sure are quick to dismiss losses without knowing what happened. -Iluyen
As it is such a rare occurance that CA actually gets a kill on OC it is understandable to dismiss until there is confirmation. The difference is that we do not consistently lie about losses. Face it Cleo... you're queen of denial.
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Oh yeah, and stop counting, you clearly aren't able to. -Iluyen
You are merely a gnat with an annoying buzz with no sting. If you ever become more then a two bit grunt your words may actually have credence. The kill ratio stands at around 5-1
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Iluyen
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Posted - 2003.11.12 08:20:00 -
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Oh I get it know now your a Bush fan, you think that if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true:).
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pooti
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Posted - 2003.11.12 08:23:00 -
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hey, why does that specter guy die so much
is he like your kamikaze
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WOLFMAN ALPHA
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Posted - 2003.11.12 16:54:00 -
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Duke
Who is MORE neutral then someone that has only played for 2 weeks? I have no clue of your alliances or who most of you all are even. But when you kill people wihtout reason...then thats wrong no matter how you look at it. |
Asimir Kurdugal
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Posted - 2003.11.12 16:59:00 -
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Duke
Who is MORE neutral then someone that has only played for 2 weeks? I have no clue of your alliances or who most of you all are even. But when you kill people wihtout reason...then thats wrong no matter how you look at it.
He has reasons, many of the same ones as the CA in fact. But, apparently his and the rest of the SA's are far more valid.
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Moving again, comfort of the chase
Now and again, this my saving grace
Dead on the inside, I've got nothing to prove
Keep me alive and give me something to lose
I've been gone so long, but I will come back
I will come back for you |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.14 01:55:00 -
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Well concidering some of the responses iv had, most of CA doesnt know what the 'whole' is doing lol...
Supposedly a non-pirate corp, even the leaders of the Alliance believed it was a non-pirate corp even when they had meetings about pirating... lol! MrBinary come back when your actually any good at PR, hm... go to the PA boards and train up :)
Regards
Well, who are the leaders?
Leyla from Sinister, Smith from Fatal shadows and Xirtam from VoTF?
Considering the background of these corps and that it's because of the actions of these corps that there is a war in Curse, I don't see how the other corps in Curse can accept that these guys run their alliance.
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.14 02:07:00 -
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Duke
Who is MORE neutral then someone that has only played for 2 weeks? I have no clue of your alliances or who most of you all are even. But when you kill people wihtout reason...then thats wrong no matter how you look at it.
Because if you have only played 2 weeks you have NO IDEA about the reasons. One who look guilty in your eyes may be the victim and the one you think looks innocent may be very much the opposite.
The reasons for the war in Curse is conflicts that are months old. Conflicts between some of the corps in Curse which at that time were pirates by any definition (AND they called themself pirates), and the corps in Stain and Fountain. And in those conflicts, there were NO doubt who was the guilty part.
Now those pirate corps has brought a big ammount of other corps into the war (the other corps in Curse), and without any attempts of a peaceful solution to their old conflicts. Surely those other corps looks innocent, but they are guilty of a very important thing: Not getting the facts. Those corps are fighting a war, but they have no idea at all WHY they are fighting it.
(The best reason they can come up with is because PvP is fun, but then again, then there should be no doubt on who is the guilty part)
M.I.A. since 2004-07-30 |
Smith
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Posted - 2003.11.14 13:05:00 -
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Guilt? Blame? Bla Bla Bla. I thought this game was about mining, trading and blowing stuff up...Not JUDGE JUDY.
Peace and Love,
Smith
Fatal Shadows
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:30:00 -
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Well concidering some of the responses iv had, most of CA doesnt know what the 'whole' is doing lol...
Supposedly a non-pirate corp, even the leaders of the Alliance believed it was a non-pirate corp even when they had meetings about pirating... lol! MrBinary come back when your actually any good at PR, hm... go to the PA boards and train up :)
Regards
Well, who are the leaders?
Leyla from Sinister, Smith from Fatal shadows and Xirtam from VoTF?
Considering the background of these corps and that it's because of the actions of these corps that there is a war in Curse, I don't see how the other corps in Curse can accept that these guys run their alliance.
Hey Dalman.
Like it's been said many times before, we put things up to a vote before the Councel of CEO's. NOTHING important happens with out a majority vote. There is no central leader, though some are more vocal than others this does not make them ruling the CA.
I have heard that four (4) corporations have left the CA, yet who are they. I ask for names so as to verify them. I can give you the names of the four (4) people that are no longer in the CA, but have no idea as to which corps supposedly left.
As to the CA crumbling, well today we are stronger than when MASS invaded our turf to hunt the dread pirates RC, who were no longer pirates. That event is what lead to this war with Stain.
As to the CA vs SA losses, well all I know is what I have seen and somehow I feel a calculator might be needed. The other night in XX9 three of us had 3 OC Blackbirds, 2 OC Scorpion and an OC Tempest warp in. Within seconds the BB's were space dust, then the Scorps were destroyed. The Tempest got away. End result is not one of us even took armor damage.
Last night my corporation, Oracle built two (2) Tempests. Not to replace losses but to upgrade people from cruisers. Now, does that sound like we are crumbling?
Go ahead guys, start the spin. :)
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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Bushido
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Posted - 2003.11.14 16:06:00 -
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Edited by: Bushido on 14/11/2003 16:10:02
Intersting and funny this topic.
It shows how Stain Communication is completaly trash.
Reality is very different.
We are alive after month of wars.
We have so many new corps that is possible we will refuse some aplications in future.
We lost some corps, but the core of the founders is here.
We are military very strong. We replaced
initial losses and we are increasing the flew.
The jump in organitation is hudge and we have no internal scission or argues on our choice.
We are incorporeating widlands like a Giant eat a little mouse , so we will complete our Base positionament with the 2 strategic accesses to Impere.
I think we will decice future military strategy at the end of the year.
I think will be better if you are our friend than our enemy.
Bushido |
Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.11.14 16:07:00 -
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Lies! You're full of it Sarkos! Stupid pirates!!! Omfg... all you do is pirate and lie. You didn't build ships. Lies!
CAoP! lolz!
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.14 16:27:00 -
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Yes, I know that all the CEOs vote on things.
But the names I mentioned was the ones that a member in CA referred to, in a situation with a corp in the great wildlands.
"As to the CA crumbling, well today we are stronger than when MASS invaded our turf to hunt the dread pirates RC, who were no longer pirates. That event is what lead to this war with Stain."
True. And that Red Corsairs were no longer pirates according to themself was the reason why there were talks between us and CA.
And that you are stronger today... well, no ****, CA has 3 times as many members now, it would be quite strange if the total strength of CA hadn't increased when your numbers grew with 200%, right?
As for yourself, I never saw any Oracle in Curse complaining about me hunting Red Corsairs. The only ones I saw complaining was all the guys in Shinra (who we considered pirates, proven since one of their members recently left since he could not follow your rules about piracy(still waiting for all of Shinra to leave...)), as well as VoTF (hmm, I don't think I know about any members in that corp except Xirtam).
And no doubt, Sinister and Fatal shadows brought all their old conflict upon the new CA without any efforts to solve anything (And yes Sinister is still allied with m0o and cooperate with them).
Hence, I find it quite amazing that CA members refer to Xirtam, Leyla and Smith, since those 3 are the ones responsible for the wars CA have with SA and FA. There is no negotiating with those 3, either you do as they say or you are in war with them.
You choosed the first option, we choosed the second one.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.14 16:48:00 -
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We have so many new corps that is possible we will refuse some aplications in future.
We are incorporeating widlands like a Giant eat a little mouse , so we will complete our Base positionament with the 2 strategic accesses to Impere.
I think we will decice future military strategy at the end of the year.
I think will be better if you are our friend than our enemy.
Point proven.
In your efforts not to loose your current wars you have been forced to get so many new members.
But the Curse region doesn't grow. So to please your members when it comes to systems and resources you have to expand into other regions. Though that means you get new conflicts.
A never ending cycle. Even if you should succed and conquer all of EVE, you would then have too many members for too few systems and you would get a civil war.
Your alliance is doomed to fail in the long run.
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We have so many new corps that is possible we will refuse some aplications in future.
We lost some corps, but the core of the founders is here.
Point proven again.
The core of the founders is there. The ones who started the conflicts.
The ones who disagree with the core leaves.
And then new corps are reqruited. Corps completely blinded by the resources in Curse and the fun of PvP. So blind, that they enter a war which they have no idea of the reasons behind, because of promises about resources and PvP.
Corps without honour, corps that could be considered mercenaries.
But as time goes on, they will open their eyes and leave since they not really agree with "the core".
Hence new corps will join again.
A second never ending cycle.
Your alliance is founded upon things that never can survive in the long run.
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WOLFMAN ALPHA
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Posted - 2003.11.15 00:10:00 -
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Thank you for the explanation of the war. But that still doesnt make what they did to me right. What a frigate was gonna do to them is beyond me...they killed me and claimed "spy".
Sounds alot like what they claim others are doing and those others are pirates. As I have seen here a few times over the last few days...
"Walk like a pirate..."
"Talk like a pirtae..."
"Must be a pirate..."
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The Monk
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Posted - 2003.11.15 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: The Monk on 15/11/2003 00:36:33
Shinra isnt a pirate corp. Never has been. I try to resolve conflicts with talks and I try to be a pacifist where possable. Ask anyone that knows me.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.15 00:57:00 -
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Dalman,
Its a good thing the CA doesnt look to you to be our estate planner. Seeing as how you know so much about us . It has become much clearer to those ppl out there that SA is getting very scared. You feel like you need to come to the forums and talk like CA is doomed. I personally find it very funny.
As for Fatal Shadows, LOL what have we ever done wrong? In fact we had a hunting/mining pass in Stain before we joined the CA. I for one am glad I dont have to subject my corp mates to your rabble any longer. As for Smith, what has he ever done but kill those who kill us?
You can spout all the propaganda you want about us, but it proves only one thing. You are desperate. We dont care what you have to say, or listen to you pretend to know whats going on. I am here to defend the reputation of my corp. MASS is the corp with "ex"-pirates in it, not Fatal Shadows. Please check your ego at the terminal, it is too big for carry on.
Reclaimer out
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.11.15 02:47:00 -
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Well, The Reclaimer, it's true that I can't blame Smith for anything else than being in the same corp as you are. Since you were the pirate working with Sinister and m0o.
As you said, your corp even had a hunting pass in Stain once. So, then you must be able to answer whether your corpmates had any reason to enter a war against SA.
Seems to me like it's point proven again.
When Fatal Shadows got the opportunity to enter a new alliance to gain access to resources, you had no problem at all to enter a war with an alliance without reason. Seems like yet another proof that the majority of the corps in CA are without any honour and needs no reason for a war.
Well, you've got your war. The SA has stood firm since very early in EVE, and we are stronger than ever.
The difference between us is very clear though. We are a group of honourable corps working together. You are a group that consists of "mercenary corps". The war won't end tomorrow regardless of how many new mercenary corps you reqruit into CA. And it's very obvious to me which alliance has the prerequists to stand firm in the long run.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.11.15 03:04:00 -
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Well, The Reclaimer, it's true that I can't blame Smith for anything else than being in the same corp as you are. Since you were the pirate working with Sinister and m0o.
As you said, your corp even had a hunting pass in Stain once. So, then you must be able to answer whether your corpmates had any reason to enter a war against SA.
Perhapse attacking my corp members had something to do with that? What do you think?
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Seems to me like it's point proven again.
When Fatal Shadows got the opportunity to enter a new alliance to gain access to resources, you had no problem at all to enter a war with an alliance without reason.
Without reason sir? Well I submit that you fired on my corp first. You will not dictate to me or my corp whom to be friends with. Is that clear?
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Seems like yet another proof that the majority of the corps in CA are without any honour and needs no reason for a war.
If MASS's actions and hiring of "ex"-pirates and then using piracy as a justification for war is your definition of honor, then you may be right
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Well, you've got your war. The SA has stood firm since very early in EVE, and we are stronger than ever.
No sir, you have YOUR war. SA invaded us and attempted to dictatee to US the terms of our alliance. Not bloody likely.
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The difference between us is very clear though. We are a group of honourable corps working together. You are a group that consists of "mercenary corps".
Is honor defined as using energy neutralisers on two same-corp ships and causing our players to CTD while their battleships warp in for the kill? That sir, is your honor.
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The war won't end tomorrow regardless of how many new mercenary corps you reqruit into CA. And it's very obvious to me which alliance has the prerequists to stand firm in the long run.
Are you getting a little nervous yet? Your long winded rhetoric is tiresome. Unfortunatly for you, you lack your corp mates peg-legs to stand on
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Balmer
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Posted - 2003.11.15 05:09:00 -
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Edited by: Balmer on 15/11/2003 05:11:58
Damn you Sarkos. I just knew that battle would come up..lol.
Ok, so OC had a bad night. Prior to that fight, we had lost only 3 corporate BSs in the war with CA. You guys got us good that night..fair fight too. But our calculations dont lie. Our total of 5 Bs losses doesnt come close to the 20 or so we've put down from CA.
*was the Tempest pilot that managed to get away*
*salutes*
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Sarkos
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Posted - 2003.11.15 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Balmer on 15/11/2003 05:11:58
Damn you Sarkos. I just knew that battle would come up..lol.
Ok, so OC had a bad night. Prior to that fight, we had lost only 3 corporate BSs in the war with CA. You guys got us good that night..fair fight too. But our calculations dont lie. Our total of 5 Bs losses doesnt come close to the 20 or so we've put down from CA.
*was the Tempest pilot that managed to get away*
*salutes*
A lot of luck happened there Balmer. :)
The three of us just happened to each lock a different BB, the results were predictable. Had even 1 BB survived, it may have been a different story. Nice battle pass to try and save the Scorp though. It took a lot of guts to fly in that close. Hehehe
*Salute*
Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
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